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Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

Mo/

05 May 2009 at 23:24 - 241

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

OR... like I said, just take your time. You gotta think long term. Sure, if you want storage NOW!!

If you just do the quests gradually over the course of a year, you'll get it with minimal grind.

Well Anet took their time too, 4 years and now an extra one year if you don't want to grind for the heavy pack.

But I'm over it already, the bait didn't work for me. It's good it works for others, they keep the game going.

They should have called it large and heavy grind packs instead of equipment packs as you can put way more grind in it than actual equipment

kazjun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

HoVa

W/N

06 May 2009 at 03:45 - 242

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

Buying it:

Standing in spamadam/LA power trading, which is boring as shit
Grinding a farm area to get enough gold
Spending the gold you earned

Questing it:

Doing different quests every day
Getting gold
Getting balthazar faction
Getting reputation for titles
Spending a couple of hundred gold for the coins

If you ask me, it's more worth it to quest for the bags than to get the money and buy them.

Also, when will you people realize that doing the quests is not grind unless you do every quest multiple times? Seems that people like throwing around words these days.

If you're at the point that you have multiple armours which then require the 20 packs so your entire stash isn't just armour, then money isn't really a bother. Plus, what do you really have to spend money on now other than fancy new minipets (and my HoM already has over 20)? It's been about 4 years for me, and short of the new vamp sword what else is there to buy unless you run around sticking sup vigors and caster VS's on your mules?

As for questing it, well, if I'd just started GW, then it wouldn't be too bad I guess. But I haven't just started. I've finished all 4 campaigns on all 7 pve characters. And some missions (especially the eotn ones) have been grinded to death. So not exactly different or new. And getting gold for the quests? Please. You'd make that much killing stuff and picking up whites on the way to kill bosses or in the time it takes to do the mission. And faction? Grinded books to death and maxed my eotn factions on my main, and I'd quit before killing myself doing it on my other characters. As for kurz, the amount they give is a drop in the bucket compared to what's required for that title.

The only good quests are the pvp quests. Balth is good (9k for 2 wins, very nice), and would be the only z-quest that's worth doing. The z-keys dwarf any other reward for these quests. And you get to kill people doing it

But other than pvp, the rest IS grind. Well, bosses are okay but the pay for them is barely worth noting. 70 to get all the way to rotscale and kill him? Bah.

You said it yourself, unless you do it multiple times. Well, how else are you going to get it if you actually want to have the bags sometime before next year? And multiple bags? You'll be "playing" till GW2 comes out. No. Not worth it. Pvp and sell the z-keys. Play like you normally do. Then buy the bags off the ones who want to grind.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

06 May 2009 at 03:49 - 243

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazjun

If you're at the point that you have multiple armours which then require the 20 packs so your entire stash isn't just armour, then money isn't really a bother. Plus, what do you really have to spend money on now other than fancy new minipets (and my HoM already has over 20)? It's been about 4 years for me, and short of the new vamp sword what else is there to buy unless you run around sticking sup vigors and caster VS's on your mules?

Stupid argument. 1: I have a ton of armor. That's WHY money is a slight issue. where do you think the money goes? Not everyone ebays, farms all day or powertrades. I need the room just as much as they do but money is not exactly falling off trees for me because I don't grind it out like some others do.

2: Titles. They cost a lot of money. Prestige weapons that still go for 100k+. In order to buy them, you have to either farm or buy ectos. What's the point of the new storage if you can't afford to fill it later?

So that leaves PvP. The only PvP I'm doing is JQ for kurzick faction. Everything else is full of gimmick gank builds and cheap tank crap. I'll pass. There are others like me. We're getting boned. They add all this pve-ish questing crap to help the PvE'ers who actually need the space but the easiest way to get it is repeating PvP quests on new PvP-only characters. What's the deal?

IlikeGW

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

06 May 2009 at 04:23 - 244

Well, I just hit the ol' uninstall button again. No more grind for me! Hopefully next update has some actual new content areas, but this is just too much work... especially when the quality of PUG absolutely plummeted after the first few days.

kazjun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

HoVa

W/N

06 May 2009 at 05:38 - 245

Quote:

Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Stupid argument. 1: I have a ton of armor. That's WHY money is a slight issue. where do you think the money goes? Not everyone ebays, farms all day or powertrades. I need the room just as much as they do but money is not exactly falling off trees for me because I don't grind it out like some others do.

2: Titles. They cost a lot of money. Prestige weapons that still go for 100k+. In order to buy them, you have to either farm or buy ectos. What's the point of the new storage if you can't afford to fill it later?

So that leaves PvP. The only PvP I'm doing is JQ for kurzick faction. Everything else is full of gimmick gank builds and cheap tank crap. I'll pass. There are others like me. We're getting boned. They add all this pve-ish questing crap to help the PvE'ers who actually need the space but the easiest way to get it is repeating PvP quests on new PvP-only characters. What's the deal?

As for cash, I been playing for 4 years so I pretty much bought or farmed whatever I wanted already. Not like they've added any shiny new armour or weapon skins for ages. But I guess that's just me.

Oh, and I agree that they've stuffed the amount of z-coins needed badly. But my point is they should have left us an option if they were going to do this. You saying that if you had a choice to buy the bags with plat, that you wouldn't?

own age myname

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Minnesota

[TAS]

R/

06 May 2009 at 12:44 - 246

Didn't we all ask "Hey Anet, we need something to do until GW2 comes out. Give us some NOW!"

They give us something and we *cough* Guru QQBabies *cough* whine. This will keep me occupied with my little time I play Guild Wars. With Nicholas and the run for the equip bags I should have actually something to do for awhile. Quest-are-not-grind.

Definition of grind:

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Grinding is a term used in video gaming to describe the process of engaging in repetitive and/or non-entertaining gameplay in order to gain access to other features within the game.

First off this is completely optional. You can go buy a storage pane in the In-Game store if storage is "really killing you". I haven't been to some of the areas you need for the quest in years. When the bounty of Kephet it brought back memories from 2 years ago (the last time I actually killed her).

These are not repetitive because you're doing different things each day. If you feel your going through the same content all over again, and again, it means you're burnt out. If you're burnt out it's time for a break, play some real life. I heard it's fun.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

06 May 2009 at 12:56 - 247

... the process of engaging in repetitive and/or non-entertaining gameplay ...

I find it non-entertaining to have to perform quests I wasn't planning to do at the time I logged on in order to gain access to large and heavy bags. Because it gets in the way of the entertaining things I was planning to do instead.

Congratulations, you've just proved that it's grind.

Archaic

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

Canada

Me/

06 May 2009 at 13:04 - 248

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gli

... the process of engaging in repetitive and/or non-entertaining gameplay ...

I find it non-entertaining to have to perform quests I wasn't planning to do at the time I logged on in order to gain access to large and heavy bags. Because it gets in the way of the entertaining things I was planning to do instead.

Congratulations, you've just proved that it's lag.

Lag? I think you mean grind. And when will you people ever be pleased at ANet for once. As soon as they release something, someone on Guru has to start a thread and whine about something they don't like and don't want to do.

If you don't want to grind or buy a bag, fine. But don't expect the game developers to cater to your whims.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

06 May 2009 at 14:20 - 249

Yeah, I did mean grind. Lag was something I was talking about in game just before posting that. Got my whining mixed up, sorry about that.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

06 May 2009 at 15:14 - 250

Quote:

Originally Posted by own age myname

[...]First off this is completely optional.[...]

No, it is not. Tomes are optional, you get Signets and capture them, or get books by killing monsters.
Scrolls, sweets, alcohol, party stuff, pet levels and unlockings...
ALL of them have alternate ways of unlock that make ZCoins optional for them.

But there is no other way than ZCoins to get equipment bags. They don't drop from monsters or chests, there are no other collectors, they can't be purchased anywhere but ZCoins and since they allow access to 20 slots that are already available to us, but will remain locked away until you equip a bag, they are as optional as our backpacks, pouches and bags. And I don't many people play without all of those.

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

N/R

06 May 2009 at 15:38 - 251

In the end this is still recycled content, call it grind, smegma or whatever the hell you want, it still boils down to a new way to do old content that can take a long time to get the best rewards.

Hopefully the next update will have NEW content regardless of how big or small. Have Shiro's wife show up looking for revenge on her husbands killers. She can kidnap Mhenlo and set a trap for you with him as bait. Nothing major can be a one shot quest, hell you can reuse any area in Factions to do it and the reward can be zoins. Better yet make it a zaishen quest and watch it get flooded with people falling over each other to complete it.

poppu16

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

W/

06 May 2009 at 15:48 - 252

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

But there is no other way than ZCoins to get equipment bags.

False, they can be bought from others players who did the grind for you, like a service.

But if those bags weren't tradable, I would be agree with you, pure grind

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

06 May 2009 at 17:29 - 253

Quote:

Originally Posted by poppu16

False, they can be bought from others players who did the grind for you, like a service.

But if those bags weren't tradable, I would be agree with you, pure grind

Sure if they cost 50 ectos or more, then you have to grind farm to get them from players also. If their prices are high enough, then it is as much of a grind either way.

If I ask for a 100 ectos for my 10-slot bag are you going to pay it?

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

07 May 2009 at 02:25 - 254

Quote:

Originally Posted by poppu16

False, they can be bought from others players who did the grind for you, like a service.

But if those bags weren't tradable, I would be agree with you, pure grind

I never count trading as an option. First, you need someone to have the item, and then you need them to sell it.

If I need a tome, I get my lovely boss farming builds and kill a boss 20 times, and get around 1..5 tomes in 40 minutes.
If go I for a tome via ZCoins, that would take me 1 week.
If go for players, first, I must find a seller, something that doesn't always happen, and second I must have the payment, around 2..10K depending on tome profession and seller (they sell low if they are in a hurry).
No one will sell a tome for 10ecto because a lot of people can get those in relatively little time.
But bags take a lot of time for someone that makes the quests with one character and plays around 1..2 hours per day.

Time is cash, and time is what ZCoin rewards do not get into account.
Bags are something to use, and so I don't want to get them all just before I GW2's release.

They are bags! They are useful, not showy!
It's showy stuff the one pricey and slow to get, not useful stuff!
Prestige pets, prestige armors, prestige weapons, titles... those can take time, those are showy!
Basic pets, basic armor, basic weapons, bags, kits, map travel... those must be fast, they are useful!

Buster

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Elona

Clan Eternal Legion

D/W

07 May 2009 at 02:34 - 255

What was once a fun game to play has turned into title grind trading game. I made a ton of characters over the years without needing titles and prestige. I played because the game was just fun. Eventhough the Hall of Monuments looks really nice, it is one of the worst things that has happened to Guild Wars. Hopefully Guild Wars 2 does not end up like the original did.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

07 May 2009 at 04:57 - 256

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazjun

As for cash, I been playing for 4 years so I pretty much bought or farmed whatever I wanted already. Not like they've added any shiny new armour or weapon skins for ages. But I guess that's just me.

Oh, and I agree that they've stuffed the amount of z-coins needed badly. But my point is they should have left us an option if they were going to do this. You saying that if you had a choice to buy the bags with plat, that you wouldn't?

There's a difference between paying a set price for them from a merchant and paying ungodly inflated prices that players will be asking once they start coming on the market.

Empress Amarox

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2008

Above you.

Mo/W

07 May 2009 at 05:53 - 257

tl;dr

Grind is dumb, bags too expensive.

own age myname

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Minnesota

[TAS]

R/

07 May 2009 at 12:17 - 258

We've all lived without the bag for 4 years. Atleast we have the chance to get them now, right?

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

07 May 2009 at 12:44 - 259

I saw first heavy bag for sale yesterday or at least someone acting like he had one and saying the c/o was 270e. I laughed my socks off. But, thinking about it the really rich or those that duped and got a ton of ectos out of it will probably have stacks and stacks to trade for them at really no cost. So for awhile these kinds of rediculous prices will be around I guess. Personally for me 10 slot bags on every character will do just fine and that's going to give me 100 more slots once all the grinding is done. A bag a week is pretty easy to get.

Amon Warrior

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

W/

07 May 2009 at 12:49 - 260

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

But bags take a lot of time for someone that makes the quests with one character and plays around 1..2 hours per day.

That is one main issue for me. At this moment in time, I wouldn't stand to immediately repeat the same quest with different characters. That is grind. My playing level has been about two hours per time and not everyday.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Time is cash, and time is what ZCoin rewards do not get into account.
Bags are something to use, and so I don't want to get them all just before I GW2's release.

They are bags! They are useful, not showy!
It's showy stuff the one pricey and slow to get, not useful stuff!
Prestige pets, prestige armors, prestige weapons, titles... those can take time, those are showy!
Basic pets, basic armor, basic weapons, bags, kits, map travel... those must be fast, they are useful!

That's how I feel about this.

A way to cater to different types of player would be to have a basic bag available at the merchant and upgrade runes via zcoins. That would eliminate the sense of waste and allow everyone to progress at their own pace. Right now, you buy a bag and then you have to start all over to get more. I'm a casual player. What @#$%& time do I have to collect @#$%& bags and zcoins?!?

Having different pack sizes, being increasingly difficult to get, is dumb in my non-hardcore player perspective. That, in my view, should be left for flashy, showy stuff. ArenaNet used to do it that way.

I've been playing GW casually for the last 2 years. Getting the packs sooner would not be a reason for me to lose interest in the game. Quite the opposite. Being able to upgrade the packs would've made a lot more sense to me.

Having equipment packs as the main attraction for the Zaishen coins and being that expensive is a sad thing to witness...

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

07 May 2009 at 14:43 - 261

They should add more showy stuff in the gold collectors, move the bags to the silver, and add alternate ways to get them.

For example, there is the 'everlasting alcohol' idea in Sardelac.
And they could put an everlasting Zaishen tonic in there too.
I'm sure we can think of a lot of showy prestige stuff to add there to make gold worth it other than bags, which are useful stuff.

eht123

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

07 May 2009 at 15:16 - 262

Wish there was an RMT option for the 20 slot packs, like there are for makeovers and storage panes...

Shadowhaze

Nothing, tra la la?

Join Date: Oct 2007

07 May 2009 at 18:44 - 263

Yep, now people that abuse the pvp quests and re-roll char after char are selling them for xx/xxx ecto. Annoying to say the least. They should make those quests account based. (Yeah, I know the grind is an issue, but some people abhor pvp or visa versa they can't stand pve.)

So now I'm just saying screw it. I'll do certain quests for chars that still need them, but other than that, I'm done with mindless grinding the game has become.

cthulhu reborn

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

the Netherlands

W/Mo

07 May 2009 at 20:52 - 264

Now that we can swap coins between characters and put them in the xunlai it is a little easier and there must be people who have enough coins to get the heavy q-pack. But I don't see any of em being sold by players.

Something tells me it's not gonna happen either, cause it would appear that the trouble it takes to get them means they are going to have to be a lot more expensive than the actual value of 15-zkeys or gold coins.

So I guess I'm screwed anyway cause I really don't have the time to do all these challenges of things I don't want to do. Hell, I don't even have the time to do the ones I do like as much as I would need to. So I guess I will have one in a few months and then I can wonder about my remaining 13 characters...

No, this really took the "fun" value out of it. I guess I hope they are trying to make the most out of trying to sell xunlai panes and once they sold enough it might get easier to get the q-packs. Either way I am not too thrilled.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

07 May 2009 at 20:55 - 265

Quote:

Originally Posted by own age myname

We've all lived without the bag for 4 years. Atleast we have the chance to get them now, right?

Yeah, we have the chance to either spend 10 hours a day playing just to get one in a week, or play CASUALLY as GW WAS INTENDED and get it after....oh....a YEAR. Yeah there's a chance. Not a very reasonable chance, but there's a chance. Can't argue that, can we?

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

08 May 2009 at 02:17 - 266

Quote:

Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Yeah, we have the chance to either spend 10 hours a day playing just to get one in a week, or play CASUALLY as GW WAS INTENDED and get it after....oh....a YEAR. Yeah there's a chance. Not a very reasonable chance, but there's a chance. Can't argue that, can we?

Stop exaggerating, it doesn't take nearly a year to get it playing casually.

own age is right. You all did fine without it, and now you have a chance to get it. It's a shame to see how many impatient people there are around here.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

08 May 2009 at 02:27 - 267

I was able to get the 10 slot pack in like a week and a half, just playing casually. works out just fine. the rest all work out fine with the 5 slot bags.

I'll buy the other ones later on if ever needed.

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

08 May 2009 at 03:10 - 268

One way to do it with 5 slot bags is to NOT have multiple armor sets. Meaning no 55 build or 600 build. Also dont use wand+focus, say goodbye to your 20/20 set. Use a staff instead and have only 1 staff for everything. This means your build would be fixed, if you are a fire ele just stick to fire, otherwise you may need additional head gear, if PUGs complain then just say you dont have the inventory space for that build and blame ANet.

These are some of the ways you can save space.

lg5000

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Australia

08 May 2009 at 03:13 - 269

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daesu

One way to do it with 5 slot bags is to NOT have multiple armor sets. Meaning no 55 build or 600 build. Also dont use wand+focus, say goodbye to your 20/20 set. Use a staff instead and have only 1 staff for everything. This means your build would be fixed, if you are a fire ele just stick to fire, otherwise you may need additional head gear, if PUGs complain then just say you dont have the inventory space for that build and blame ANet.

These are some of the ways you can save space.

Or you could just do what everyone's done so far minus those bags..

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

08 May 2009 at 03:17 - 270

Quote:

Originally Posted by lg5000

Or you could just do what everyone's done so far minus those bags..

Actually that was what I have been doing so far before the bags came along. I usually have about 3 inventory space when I go out to explorable areas.

It sucks, but that explains why I didnt play as much as I could have.

Even if you dont farm and have only 1 set of armor (the one that your character is wearing), if you are a warrior, you need headgear for swordmanship, axe, or hammer. You need a strength shield and a tactics shield, an axe, a sword, and a hammer. How many slots is that already? Sure you can always stick to 1 build, and reduce playability, fun, and enjoyment experimenting with different builds for your warrior.

Plus if you are the sort that keep tributes for collectors, lockpicks, consets, different anti-DP consummables, pumped-up consummables like cupcakes, different summoning stones, different books, expert + normal salvage kits, id kit, weapon mods and inscriptions, mini pets, dyes, left over lunar tokens, victory tokens, cc shards, different alcohol, halloween stuff, christmas stuff, cc weapons + gingerbread shield/focus, luxon totems, trade contacts, imperial commendation, passage scrolls, kurzick equipment requisitions, inscribed secrets, ancient artifacts, zkeys, tonics, zho's journal, recently picked up rare weapons, etc. etc.

Yes, I keep most of these in my stash but even with stash space, you can understand why some of these would overflow to character inventories. After playing 4 years with 4 campaigns + BMP, you do collect ALOT of stuff.

kazjun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

HoVa

W/N

08 May 2009 at 04:29 - 271

And don't forget all the armour sets anet encouraged you to get for your HoM. At least 5 armour sets per character.

Wish Swiftdeath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Mo/W

08 May 2009 at 04:58 - 272

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazjun

And don't forget all the armour sets anet encouraged you to get for your HoM. At least 5 armour sets per character.

WHAT?

People do multiple HoM?

lg5000

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Australia

08 May 2009 at 06:14 - 273

Daesu, I keep my spare stuff on a mule character. If I know I'll be playing a certain class, I will pull the appropriate equipment from the mule into storage for easy access.

Btw, do you as a warrior switch out axe/sword/hammer whilst being in an explorable area? If not, what's wrong with keeping the other weapons in storage?

Basically, it worked fine before these quests came along. Yes, it's taking a bit longer than I would like it to take getting said bags, but.. it worked before, it'll work until such a time as I finally get the 15 gold zcoins I need.. and that's only the first character.. let alone the other 10.

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

08 May 2009 at 06:40 - 274

Quote:

Originally Posted by lg5000

Daesu, I keep my spare stuff on a mule character. If I know I'll be playing a certain class, I will pull the appropriate equipment from the mule into storage for easy access.

Btw, do you as a warrior switch out axe/sword/hammer whilst being in an explorable area? If not, what's wrong with keeping the other weapons in storage?

Basically, it worked fine before these quests came along. Yes, it's taking a bit longer than I would like it to take getting said bags, but.. it worked before, it'll work until such a time as I finally get the 15 gold zcoins I need.. and that's only the first character.. let alone the other 10.

I usually keep the customized stuff with that specific character since they are the only one who can use them. I used to have a mule but it became my playable character.

6 characters for each core profession + 1 from faction profession + 1 from NF brings that to 8. And 1 Pvp char (because I want to make use of my full unlock) which also acts as my mule so I guess I do have one, but it is still full trying to support 8 pve chars. Also making my pvp char a mule has the drawback of being difficult to delete her later on when I want to.

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

08 May 2009 at 07:32 - 275

Quote:

Now that we can swap coins between characters and put them in the xunlai it is a little easier and there must be people who have enough coins to get the heavy q-pack. But I don't see any of em being sold by players.

Something tells me it's not gonna happen either,

Well then you hang out in the wrong places because I've seen a couple now being auctioned for well over 250ectos. One was in Spamadon and the other in the Temple of Balthazar. The seller in Balthazar was actually moving through all the districts as well to make sure as many people as possible saw that he had one for sale.

Personally if I ever get ONE I damn sure won't be selling it. I don't play 24/7 like some noobs as I have a life outside of playing silly games. I could probably have enough coins within 14 weeks if I played everyday after work and then all day on the weekends till I passed out but damn if I'm going to do that. I can hardly stomach this game 2 hours a day now on average as the loot content is bland and the leveling aspect is carebear. The only real fun in this game is stomping noob sins and rangers in PVP.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

08 May 2009 at 09:05 - 276

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

Stop exaggerating, it doesn't take nearly a year to get it playing casually.

Really? How would you define playing casually?

Suppose someone only plays 3 days a week. That's 156 days a year. He'd need to score 48 Z-coins every time he plays. Suppose he doesn't want to do Z-quests every time he logs on. He's a casual player after all, he might want to just play a character through the game. If he only wants to do Z-quests every other day, he'll need to get 96 each time he does. Now let's suppose he doesn't play HM.

I can definitely see it taking over a year of casual play.

ogre_jd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2008

Canadia

W/

08 May 2009 at 12:03 - 277

To address a couple of points:

1) Warriors only [b]need[/i] 8 slots (4 helmets, 2 shields, 3 melee weapons, and 1 bow for pulling) to cover most situations, so a 10-slot bag is perfect and all they need since 2-3 of those 10 items will be equipped at all times. Don't really need any extra armor beyond the helmets since most Warrior farming builds seem to have the same armor requirements as regular combat builds - and a 10-slot bag gives you 2 spare slots for those rare situations where they aren't. Most other classes are pretty much the same way, of course, though perhaps Monks might need the 15-slot since their builds seem to have a lot more difference in armor runing, beyond the headgear stat...

2) Once the armor's in your HoM, do you really need to keep it all? Yes, I know it was expensive, but it does take up space to lug it all around and you did NOT have to craft them in the first place - purely optional. Keep a second set that you liked best so you can have a change or rune it for a secondary build that has wildly different requirements (other than the helmet, natch). Salvage the rest (except the helmets, obviously, for attributes you don't happen to have covered yet). More of a waste of good platinum to keep lugging 'em around and not using them than it is to salvage.

3) Casual isn't a matter of time spent, it's a matter of attitude. Casuals don't really need more than the 5-slotter, even the Warriors. They rarely have more than one extra build - and when they do they're almost never more than a helmet & shield change

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

08 May 2009 at 12:35 - 278

Quote:

Originally Posted by ogre_jd

3) Casual isn't a matter of time spent, it's a matter of attitude. Casuals don't really need more than the 5-slotter, even the Warriors. They rarely have more than one extra build - and when they do they're almost never more than a helmet & shield change

I never said it was a matter of time spent. I was just illustrating how someone not spending a lot of time on the game would have trouble earning 7500 coins in a year's time, playing casually. (i.e. not obsessively farming Z-coins and not playing HM.)

In fact, even non-casual players who don't spend many, many hours per week will find it a burden to make 7500 coins in a year.

own age myname

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Minnesota

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08 May 2009 at 12:39 - 279

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gli

Really? How would you define playing casually?

Suppose someone only plays 3 days a week. That's 156 days a year. He'd need to score 48 Z-coins every time he plays. Suppose he doesn't want to do Z-quests every time he logs on. He's a casual player after all, he might want to just play a character through the game. If he only wants to do Z-quests every other day, he'll need to get 96 each time he does. Now let's suppose he doesn't play HM.

I can definitely see it taking over a year of casual play.

Don't forget casual players like that usually don't have more than 1 armor set, or know how to properly rune their armor.

slowerpoke

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2007

Cuba

08 May 2009 at 12:42 - 280

Ive seen folks trying to sell these HEB's for 100-150e

2.5k for 5slots
645k for 20slots (4.3x150)