/roll, another liberty taken away from the player

You know the meaning of "match manipulation"?? Seems not

This. Hero battles just aren't much fun for most people, but comes with rewards that some people will collaborate to acquire. Rolling has nothing to do with the actual HB competition that a few hundred players (I assume) enjoy. A (bad) superficial change will do nothing to address the issue that people want & can get the rewards but don't like the format.

OP you say you want to play the game your way but that's not up to you, you pay for the privilege of playing anets game, they make the decisions, they make the rules, they put all the time into making changes to make there game play there way.
It's not always good for the community but if you tried to change something in someone else's house then im pretty sure you would be kicked out so we just gotta deal with it.

With the whol /roll culture HB wasn't even worth existing.

Oh come on, don't tell me you didn't read the opening post properly either. I said it wasn't that big of a deal. I just think its absolutely mindbogglingly ridiculous that some of my fun in GvG is being removed for something that is overpowered in HB; the most terrible game mode in guild wars.

Funny how 90% of the posters in this thread completely ignore my arguments. Man, I knew PvErs were stupid but I never expected this thickness of skull.

Just quit GW. How simple is that. How could U whine about an exploit being removed?? It's like QQing after duping was gone..Get real or quit.

is there a server people are doing rps in? I have absolutely no desire to partake in the abomination that is hero battles, but would like to get some easy coins for the otherwise incredibly grindy packs. American people weren't doing this in.

Think of a new way to have fun, stop whining. If Your idea of /roll was to find out who had the biggest penis, i am glad they killed the /roll feature in PvP. As per the random items in HoH, pick them all up, afterwards go to an explorable area, /roll, is that so hard ?!?

For reasons other than simply rolling, i'm actually really sad that /roll has been disabled.

Now i don't have the liberty to reply "no" to a roller with the intention of farming them all day long. Sigh...

Yeah, but you have the right idea. The whole thing is screwed up on a basic game design level.

I'm with you Kaon! Anet have been abusing us players for too long! They've been keeping us down!

Rebel! Rebel!



But seriously, while I can't think of a reason to keep /roll there (like others have said it can be done with r/p/s if your that bored while waiting for matches), I can't find a reason for them to have taken it out of everything either.

Really, while I don;t want content randomly taken out, I don't think it really warrents a QQ thread.

You and your opinion is outnumbered:



Anet are morons for implementing shrine capturing with hero flags. It is a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing retarded game mechanic and hardly a measure of player skill, just whoever can create the most usefull AI build and flag them most effectively.

HB = Retarded. HA was also killed by Anets own ridiculous changes (6v6 anyone? Game ruining mechanic changes?). RA was killed with dishonour and /report. If you go to RA today, you will find more people there then anywhere else that get themselves off on abusing the /report feature for the fun of it, but obviously looking for legitimate cases so that they dont get in trouble and then they can rofflelmao over their superior ability to get people banned just for the fun of it.

Anet do not make the best ideas for this game, everytime they try to fix something, or add in something new, they usually break it even more.

So, they removed /roll. So what? Red team leaves is bloody marvelous and even more broken, and it isnt any kind of manipulation when you just leave for being on the red team.

Next update - Lame dishonour added to HB, if it isnt already there, but I dont think it is.

Many more people enjoy being able to just leave whenever they want in GW's PVP, than people who enjoy playing a full game of a broken and lame PVP mechanic. That is saying that the arena sucks, hardly anyone actually enjoys it, and it needs to be reworked, but oh no, please dont allow Anet to do anything about it, because they will just ruin it even more.

They have done one great thing for the game right now though, and that is Z coins. Anet figured out a long time ago that they suck horribly at making and keeping a balanced game fun to play, so they added in all their junk like consumables / PVE skills / Z chest and now Z coins to keep the game interesting and to attract a larger 'grinder' community, rather than a community that actually justs wants to play and enjoy a balanced game.

In simpler words, every problem in this game is due to the fault of Anet and their inability to keep the game enjoyable without ruining it more and more by simply adding MOAR GRINDZORZZZ!!!!!.

Red team leaves is much more fun than HB is, because GW is now full of a grinder community, created purely because Anet continuosly added more and more grind into the game. When people want to grind for points, they will look for the shortest way possible to do this, and Hero commander title track and Z coins are always going to be treated as grind commodities rather then playing full games of HB.

Dont blame the player base for this, when this is the game that we have been given.

LETS ALL SAY IT TOGETHER, ONE AND ALL .... MOOOAAAARRRR GRRIIIINND ANET PLOX !!!! MOOOOAAAARRRR GRIND, WE WANT, YOU GIVE US ..... (That is intended to be sarcasm, because no one wanted grind added to GW, Anet just decided to keep on throwing in more and more grind to keep people playing the game).

Best. Picture. EVER ¬!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Naow gimmeh moar grind plox Anet ....

Anet is too long to type, there has to be a shortcut to typing Anet shorter ....

ANt????

Play the game as intended, but then again maybe you are not good enough if you have to rely on gimmicks and exploits.

This game was intended not to have titles or grind, and be skill > time played.

That intention was borked up by Anet themselves, do people still not realise this?

The only thing that most players do now in GW is grind for points. That is how Anet have intended their game to be played since they added points to it. We need to get lots and lots of points now, so we look for the quickest way to do this.

This is how Anet have intended GW to be played since they started ruining it. Point farming in the fastest way possible is the new GW mechanic.

If you want to fix GW ...

- Remove all titles and point accumulation, just leave in fame as this was the original point grind system and at one time actually required skill.

- Remove PVE Skills and consumables.

- Remove Z chest. Remove Z coins.

People will no longer be playing the game just to grind points as quickly as they can, and the whole game will die as players will just leave because nothing is interesting enough as Anet intended it to be played without grind.

Well Anet intened for it to be played casually so I think the players had a hand in forcing them to include "grind reards" (such as titles) due to the constant playing.

Don't blame mechanics of the game for a situation created by players. Nothing says you have to earn titles as quickly as possible. Players who have this insane urge to do all as fast as possible are also those who complain that GW has become boring and they have nothing to do. Players should learn deferred gratification over instant gratification.

This is absolutely hilarious, it's like BBC's "points of view" where people TRY to find things to complain about.

If hero battles are so uninteresting players decide to base the outcome of a match on a /roll, it would seem that hero battles should be removed, not /roll.

But seriously people have been complaining about how bad hero battles are for ages, why are they shown on observer? I don't think I know anyone that actually watches them. Heroes should be removed from all formats of PvP. TA matches should be observable over hero battles anyday.

The most amazing thing is how this thread filled 6 pages of retard spam within a single day. So far I think i've seen about 5 actual replies to the opening post.

Last time I checked having a majority doesn't make an opinion any more correct. It just increases the stereotype of how dumb people in Riverside really are.

@Kaon, come on, your radical OP was doomed to begin with.

Why? So far noone has discharged my arguments. This means that I'm right.

You paid for the right to play ANET's game on their servers and by their rules.

You're stupid, not right.

You bought a game that has writing on the box stating how gameplay may be subject to change.

It changed.

How does this remove your liberties? That's the biggest nonsense I've ever read on this forum, and I've read a lot of nonsense on this forum. A lot.

Your liberties aren't threatened. You may still type /roll. Nothing or no one is stopping you. The game just responds different now. Which they are at liberty to do. As advertized.

You are right.

People are free to play a game as they so choose to.

If we want to /roll in PVP, let us /roll in PVP.

If we want to leave a team in RA, let us leave a team in RA.

The original whiners against the old GW mechanics that used to work and that people enjoyed are the people who prompted the changes to turn PVP matches into a locked prison cell where no one is free to leave if they want without being penalised.

Oh hey, I sense some kind of a police state - You must commit to a full boring match even if you wish to leave, and if you do not we give you a bitch slap cos we say its wrong !!!

If you step oyt of line, every tom dick and harry can send a report against you to get you penalised even further, just because you decided that you no longer wished to play with tom, dick, and harry.

Such a messed up state of game is GW PVP. I think I'm just going to start doing more elly way in HB because its fun and it annoys people when I laugh at them for winning with 4 ellys.

So the devs are wrong for trying to stop people from abusing game mechanics?

Man, having them update the game sure does suck. They should have never fixed broken skills either because people should be able to play the way they want to play! Yeah, this makes so much sense!

Oh wait, no it doesn't.

You are wrong, you are free to play the game the way ANET wants you to, if you don't like that find a game that will let you (if you can).

Threads like these remind me of the good old Diablo2 days. Especially when that ONE epic patch came out that nerfed the all mighty lance whirlwind barbarians, introduced elemental (and even physical) monster immunities and put a casting delay on some skills.

One particular post looked like someone published a scientific study about how much it sucked. It went on for pages and pages and it all came down to one thing: Blizzard had betrayed them by ruining their "perfect" characters. No one was going to buy Lord of destruction!!!! EVER!!!!

Well, they all did buy it for all i know. On day one.

If you don't think leavers are/were a problem in RA you're retarded. And comparing a video game company to a police state is similar retarded overreaction bullshit.

OP, you can't roll in GvG anymore. This does not affect your gameplay one bit, and there's literally no reason to make a thread and cry about it.

Eh. Hero Battles aren't so bad. The problem isn't HB - the problem is the zombies who no longer like *playing* the game, but do so anyway and complain about the 'grind' (which, except for a very little Kurzick/Luxon or Sunspear grinding caused mainly by being lazy about taking bounties and, for K/L, spending too much before the point where it's needed to proceed, is all self-generated under the guise of supposedly having no choice but to go for the 20-slot equipment pack, titles, Hall of Monument bling, etc.) - and then look for any underhanded method they can find to eliminate the self-imposed grind.

The main problem with Hero Battles are those who go around whining about how much it sucks, telling everyone to not bother with it, and insulting anyone who dares say that they enjoy it. (Personally, I *don't* enjoy HB - I'm just not good at making Hero builds and individually controlling them, even just positioning them beyond all-go-there... I also happen to not like PvP much in general in MMOs. *shrug* Give me FPSes any day.)

Because that's not the way the game was meant to be played. Yes, Hero Battles is boring, but they want it to be played how they intended it to be played. That they are 2 years late with this is of no concern to them apparently.

I totally agree, except that I don't roll for biggest penis. They should have just removed it from HB, including the rock paper and scissors command. Then they would have to find something to fix the red resigns thing going on right now.

Well, I do think you're overreacting a bit because in the end, face it, it doesn't do that much harm.
I would like for it to only be banned from HB, but I won't feel any worse and I certainly won't cry about it if it stayed the way it is right now.

What d you expect? You start a retarded thread, whining about how you can't "play" the system, and you want sympathy? Like Madea says, "GROW UP AND SHUT THE HELL UP!"

BTW: ALL these posts are responses to your post. What you meant to say is, "6 pages, and only 5 agree with me!"

Uhm no. A random "shut up and stop whining" is not a response to what I said. If you don't give a shit then don't read the thread.

If you do give a shit and take the effort to reply. You have 3 options: Troll, agree, or disagree and attack my arguments. Your post and the majority of the ones in this thread fall in category one. Disagreeing without attacking my arguments = trolling.

Take a look at Earth's post. That's how you forum. I actually agree with the guy too.


But I suppose i've learned something. The PvE forums are full of empty-headed morons who will defend Anet no matter what happens or no matter the evidence. Hey that's funny, it has very nice similarities with this thing called "religion."


Peace out.

^ Not exactly. I think Anet is filled with morons who don't know how to run a game properly. They abandon GW while coming up with a new game leaving us with nothing to do. Oh wait, they gave us HB without rolling. Fun Fun.

Maybe when they decide to stop releasing stupid things like Menagerie and HB, the game will be less boring. If they knew how to balance skills they wouldn't have to constantly nerf and buff skills either. But that's another subject.

I think HB is a waste of time and taking away the only reason to actually go there and play something so stupid was a bad idea. Nice job, you abandon the game except to add stupid things.

Removing /Roll isn't really about "playing the game it's meant to be played".... they waited until this long to do anything about it. They never cared about the pitiful balth faction or commander title you could farm with it. It's purely to protect the "economy" from the absurd rewards of the zquest. With coins going into storage there's no limit on how many times you can repeat PvP quests by remaking chars. Next time HB comes up people will be more set on "red=resign", and we will see large packs on the market that much sooner at increasingly cheaper gold prices.

And it case it wasn't covered already, yes economy does matter to a degree. Look at how the zquest rewards have brought back pugs and fresh pvp blood alike - this is only possible with meaningful rewards.

You can play anyway you desire, no one is stopping you from doing that. However, the Corporation which manufactured and owns the rights to the game has the LEGAL standing to do with the game as it pleases. If they decide to remove a segment of the game, much to your displeasure, that's their prerogative. From that point on, you have to decide how you're going to continue to have your fun with the way any game mechanics have changed. I assume that the decision was not made just to screw people. I would *guess* that there have been many players who felt that the /roll mechanism for deciding a match was just not within the description of what a PvP battle should be and did not want to have their "legitimate" efforts at points be overshadowed by those who simply rolled their way to a win. As a result, Anet looked at a function that they considered broken and removed it, maybe until a time they thought they could come up with a better accommodation.

It's really very sad that there are so many here that just bash Anet, and probably every other game software company, because the game suddenly doesn't conform to their exact wishes. WTF is wrong with you people? Do you think that these companies are here to bend to your every whine? They are here to make money. You obviously enjoyed the game for some period of time and things changed, rightly so or not. Do you really think these folks are "morons"? I'd bet that those of you who really believe this are still struggling with 7th grade algebra. I'm sure there are a handful of you that really know what it takes to create a game of this magnitude and also try to keep their loyal players continuing to play so that they will hopefully buy future products. However, I'd lay big odds that the majority QQ just because they feel that there opinion is some how so much more important and like to see their words in print. Play the game, the way it is, or not. Learn to adjust. And most of all, get over yourself.

I agree with Kaon as to the fact that /roll should have only been removed from HB, and sadly I am also not surprised to notice that 95% of the people who posted here CANNOT READ A DAMNED WORD THAT KAON WROTE.

Here let me put a summarized version in CAPS so you can read it better.

HE ISNT WHINING THAT HE CANT MANIPULATE THE SYSTEM BY /ROLLING GVG/HA/TA/RA MATCHES, HE'S JUST POINTING OUT THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE WAITING FOR THEIR NEXT MATCH TO START/END/WHATEVER THEY LIKE TO USE THE /ROLL FEATURE FOR NON-GAME RELATED SITUATIONS. HIS ENTIRE POST WAS NOT ABOUT HIS LOSS OF MANIPULATION ABILITIES, BUT BEING DEPRIVED OF ONE WAY HE WOULD GET MORE ENJOYMENT OUT OF THE GAME, WHICH WAS CREATING A MINI-GAME WITHIN THE GAME WHICH RELIED ON THE /ROLL FEATURE. NOW EVERYONE FLAMING THE OP FOR MANIPULATION SHUT THE F UP AND TO BACK AND ACTUALLY READ HIS POST.

That is all thank you.

Roll was taken away from people that sucked at Hero Battles so the only way they could acquire points for their commander title was by rolling and when forced to actually fight they would leave the battle or rage and get their asses whooped.

Justice served, I am happy you morons can't roll, go crawl a hole and pve.

removing roll didn't change a thing. people that do that, now just play /rock or red resign.

if fixing HB was the intention of removing /roll, they missed the mark. an appropriate fix would be dishonor pts for resigning or leaving the match. that way you can't farm it more than 2-3 matches per account.

/roll

Lord Darkobra
Sex Machine

Yeah, that was less fun earning that title than it was to play the game beyond death.