May Skill Balances

Regina Buenaobra

Regina Buenaobra

ArenaNet

Join Date: Apr 2008

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Just to let you all know, the May Skill balance update will be on May 14 this month.

We will be distributing the XTH points, swapping out the tonic, doing AT map rotations, etc. tomorrow (May 7).

Cale Roughstar

Cale Roughstar

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Canada

Guy In Real Life [GIRL]

W/E

Le sigh.... thanks for the heads up... I guess....

I Ithorian I

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2008

Whats Goin On [sup]

Unbelieveable ...

We were actually having a chat in alliance the other day about anets current stance on PvP - It's been clear for a while now to those most dedicated PvP'ers that anet no longer want to support the community - Izzy is the only one actively communicating with the PvP crowd via his balance forums , and I get the impression from him that he simply channels the ideas given - onto the live support team who then implement and finalise the balance as he primarily focuses on GW2.

I seen the balance update notes earlier on in the week , so why the hell is this being delayed AGAIN !!!

Im sure there was a user with a naughty character name that needed attention asap so you couldnt prioritise this MUCH NEEDED balance.

I'll let all the following pvers thank you anyway for sharing the news , Im not gonna sugar coat you guys are RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing useless.

zelgadissan

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

Since there wasn't one last month, and this one is being delayed, this one better be huge or else the QQ-storm will be epic.

Thanks for the notification Regina.

tuna-fish_sushi

tuna-fish_sushi

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Join Date: Dec 2005

California

E/A

No wonder anets being sued left and right, they can't keep deadlines... Better be a good update.

Esprit

Esprit

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Dvd Forums [DVDF]

E/

May 14th, with a grace period of 2-4 weeks?

Thanks for the note though, many people have been wondering if a skill balance was even happening.

Giga_Gaia

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

Travelling around Tyria, Cantha, and Elona

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Quote:
Originally Posted by I Ithorian I View Post
I seen the balance update notes earlier on in the week , so why the hell is this being delayed AGAIN !!!

I'll let all the following pvers thank you anyway for sharing the news , Im not gonna sugar coat you guys are RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing useless.
You know that the skill balances used to come on the second thursday of every month right? Besides, even if it is one week late, it won't make that big of a difference anyways unless you PvP in front of your computer all day long. Also, there's no need to flame like that; you're the one being unprofessional here. She just did what every CR would have done, inform the community of the news.

And btw, how exactly is anet being 'sued left and right'? Drama queens.

Sniper22

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Skill update is bad? I love how people are so pissed about how late it is... Calm down, we did have a fairly large content update recently. Let's see what Anet has coming, I like it when they shake the game up a bit.

I Ithorian I

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2008

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Giga_Gaia View Post
You know that the skill balances used to come on the second thursday of every month right? Besides, even if it is one week late, it won't make that big of a difference anyways unless you PvP in front of your computer all day long. Also, there's no need to flame like that; you're the one being unprofessional here.

And btw, how exactly is anet being 'sued left and right'? Drama queens.
You know that skill balance havent come on second thursday of every month since 2008 right ? Please dont comment on a matter that doesnt concern you , to those it does concern it makes a big difference as unlike you so arrogantly presumed my guild doesnt have time to sit infront of the game 24/7 , we wont play much as it is maybe 2-3 times before the May MAT and were hoping for a reasonable amount of time to adjust our playstyle and build to the new meta.

@ giga gia: Im not angry because they are a week late , im angry because they are 2 month late - the last PvP update was on the March 5th ...

Giga_Gaia

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Travelling around Tyria, Cantha, and Elona

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^Read your original post again - you flaming Regina/Anet just because they were a week late updating is the whole reason why I said you're overreacting. Besides, my point was that the updates used to come every second thursday for nearly 4 years so you would have had the same amount of time to adjust back then as it is this month; so what if they were a week late for one month? Does that justify you calling them f***ing useless?

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

Sure hope Spawning Power gets fixed.

gremlin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

GWAR

Me/Mo

Ever given any thought to the idea that there could be a morale problem amongst GW developers ?

Pretty certain that if I was working on GW right now I certainly wouldn't be putting in more than my regular hours and if 5 o clock came I wouldn't hang around finishing some coding.

Ok they its their job and they are paid to do it

But the whining Winging the moaning and groaning and that's before any alteration is made.

Always the same month after month.

The update is late, then when it comes they stupidly fixed some things that were ok and made them not ok while totally ignoring the comprehensive list of fixes you had been yammering on about for ages.

I mean its not as if your ideas and theories on the game where not perfectly understandable by any idiot except anet programmers.

not a defence of anet as a company just a defence of the poor working stiff that gets it from this and I am sure other communities on a daily basis.

savage vapor 33

savage vapor 33

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Regems Basement

The Malevolent Wolfpack [tMw]

Hmmm.........

OK

Wish Swiftdeath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Mo/W

There are plenty of PvP'ers that would do skillbalancing for free. Heck im sure some of them would even pay to do it...

It isn't only the fact that the skill balance's are delayed -if they were good i wouldn't mind so much, it's the fact that they are delayed, shit and look like they were thrown together in twenty minutes(add maybe two hours for playtesting?).

Verene

Verene

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Join Date: Jan 2009

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Quote:
Originally Posted by tuna-fish_sushi View Post
No wonder anets being sued left and right, they can't keep deadlines... Better be a good update.
Since when is there a set deadline of "first week of the month"?

Nii

Nii

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

In my emo corner

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra View Post
Just to let you all know, the May Skill balance update will be on May 14 this month.

We will be distributing the XTH points, swapping out the tonic, doing AT map rotations, etc. tomorrow (May 7).
Sounds fun. :P Lets hope Palm Strike gets Nerfed again ^_^

wtfisgoingon

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nii View Post
Sounds fun. :P Lets hope Palm Strike gets Nerfed again ^_^
nerf sins when they arent even in the meta builds in GvG? dont joke around in RA.
BUFF sins please.


hope izzy is analyzing in the ''Assassins, Shadowsteps & balance'' thread... I really want their take on it.

Yichi

Yichi

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Join Date: Sep 2005

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/sigh...

This better be good...

Buster

Buster

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Elona

Clan Eternal Legion

D/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by I Ithorian I View Post
Unbelieveable ...

We were actually having a chat in alliance the other day about anets current stance on PvP - It's been clear for a while now to those most dedicated PvP'ers that anet no longer want to support the community - Izzy is the only one actively communicating with the PvP crowd via his balance forums , and I get the impression from him that he simply channels the ideas given - onto the live support team who then implement and finalise the balance as he primarily focuses on GW2.

I seen the balance update notes earlier on in the week , so why the hell is this being delayed AGAIN !!!

Im sure there was a user with a naughty character name that needed attention asap so you couldnt prioritise this MUCH NEEDED balance.

I'll let all the following pvers thank you anyway for sharing the news , Im not gonna sugar coat you guys are RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing useless.
Has there even been a pvp update where the pvp community has been happy with ? Never.

Nii

Nii

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

In my emo corner

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by wtfisgoingon View Post
you must spend all day in RA huh? your profile says you're an ele too, getting raped by palm strikers eh? i can imagine...
nerf sins when they arent even in the meta builds in GvG?
BUFF sins please.


hope izzy is analyzing in the ''Assassins, Shadowsteps & balance'' thread... I really want their take on it.
I don't spend my whole day at RA or Guild wars. I don't play my elementalist at all anymore. I play GvG/HA/HB when I can.

wtfisgoingon

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nii View Post
I don't spend my whole day at RA or Guild wars. I don't play my elementalist at all anymore. I play GvG/HA/HB when I can.
GvG/HA dont run palm strikers, why nerf something that isnt even being used?

Yichi

Yichi

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Join Date: Sep 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by wtfisgoingon View Post
BUFF sins please.
gud joke...

12 chars...

Nii

Nii

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

In my emo corner

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by wtfisgoingon View Post
GvG/HA dont run palm strikers, why nerf something that isnt even being used?
Apparently, You haven't been in either for some time...I don't want to get banned for spamming forums anyways.

Still Number One

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Verene View Post
Since when is there a set deadline of "first week of the month"?
It had nothing to do with the first week of the month. Try two weeks after the last mat. It is nice to actually be able to test builds and find the strongest one before the monthly so you don't get build wars'd by some lame overpowered spike one guild discovered that no one else knew about. Anet has had this skill balance ready for 2 months now and its still being delayed. They really should give us a detailed explanation about why it is not being put out and why we have to wait another week for it. Are they adding more stuff and they want to test those new changes before releasing it? Did they find a bug and are trying to fix it? Let us know why we have to wait, then maybe the uproar will be lessened and we'll actually understand them. If they continue to leave us in the dark, then we are obviously going to call them out on it. Sorry that the PvP community doesn't view Anet as their lord and savior like the majority of the PvE community (I say majority because I know a few PvE players who detest anet's updates and handle on this game as well).

lutz

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

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Ahahaha, what a joke.
Always a failure and disappointment, ArenaNet.
Given exactly what you need to do to fix your game, and you still manage to fail every time.

Still Number One

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster View Post
Has there even been a pvp update where the pvp community has been happy with ? Never.
Do they ever balance the game the way we request them to? Never.

Puebert

Puebert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mo/

...You're really surprised by this?

And it probably won't be a major update either.
Just a small nerf to Necro hexes maybe and some random dartboard buff.

haggus71

haggus71

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

FotS

Wow, and I thought PvE had care bears.

Buster

Buster

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Elona

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Still Number One View Post
Do they ever balance the game the way we request them to? Never.
That depends on what the request is I would guess.

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

Anet told me the skill balance, here it is.

[flourish] changed to 5e, 1/2 cast, 11r, axe attack "if this attack hits, you deal +41 damage and inflict deep wound, if they were below 80% health this skill is recharged instantly and you gain 6 energy"

[weapon of fury] changed to 5e, 3/4 cast, 4r "all party members are given a weapon of fury, they gain 2 energy and 3 adrenaline whenever they hit with an attack"

[assassin's promise] changed to 10e, 1/4 cast, 15r "target foe suffers crippling, deep wound, weakness, bleeding, burning, and dazed for 10 seconds, and attacks 50% slower. this hex is reapplied whenever target foe takes damage"

[zealous vow] 5e, 1/2c, 2r melee attack "if this attack hits, you inflict +25 damage and steal 6 energy. if it misses you steal 10 energy and remove a stance and enchantment"

[feast of corruption] 5e 1/4c 10r "if target foe has a hex, condition, or enchantment, they take 80 damage. all foes near that foe suffer 77 damage as well."

[healer's covenant] 5e 3/4 2r "target ally and all adjacent allies are healed for 240 health. for every ally you heal you gain 2 energy"

[shatter storm] 10e 1c 8r "target foe loses all enchantments. for each lost, they take 15 damage"

[invoke lightning] 5e 3/4c 12r "target foe takes 200 damage, 25% AP. all foes near target are knocked down"

[cruel spear] 6adren, 1/2c "+60 if they were moving, +45 with deep wound if they were not. this attack moves 3 times as fast"

[poison arrow] 5e 1/2c 3r "target foe suffers poison, this attack hits for +30 damage."

Gaile Gray put a lot of effort into it, you should appreciate her work!

Wish Swiftdeath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Mo/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow Bunny View Post
Anet told me the skill balance, here it is.

[flourish] changed to 5e, 1/2 cast, 11r, axe attack "if this attack hits, you deal +41 damage and inflict deep wound, if they were below 80% health this skill is recharged instantly and you gain 6 energy"

[weapon of fury] changed to 5e, 3/4 cast, 4r "all party members are given a weapon of fury, they gain 2 energy and 3 adrenaline whenever they hit with an attack"

[assassin's promise] changed to 10e, 1/4 cast, 15r "target foe suffers crippling, deep wound, weakness, bleeding, burning, and dazed for 10 seconds, and attacks 50% slower. this hex is reapplied whenever target foe takes damage"

[zealous vow] 5e, 1/2c, 2r melee attack "if this attack hits, you inflict +25 damage and steal 6 energy. if it misses you steal 10 energy and remove a stance and enchantment"

[feast of corruption] 5e 1/4c 10r "if target foe has a hex, condition, or enchantment, they take 80 damage. all foes near that foe suffer 77 damage as well."

[healer's covenant] 5e 3/4 2r "target ally and all adjacent allies are healed for 240 health. for every ally you heal you gain 2 energy"

[shatter storm] 10e 1c 8r "target foe loses all enchantments. for each lost, they take 15 damage"

[invoke lightning] 5e 3/4c 12r "target foe takes 200 damage, 25% AP. all foes near target are knocked down"

[cruel spear] 6adren, 1/2c "+60 if they were moving, +45 with deep wound if they were not. this attack moves 3 times as fast"

[poison arrow] 5e 1/2c 3r "target foe suffers poison, this attack hits for +30 damage."

Gaile Gray put a lot of effort into it, you should appreciate her work!
Overdone imo, EVEN anet wouldn't be THAT bad xD

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wish Swiftdeath View Post
Overdone imo, EVEN anet wouldn't be THAT bad xD
[peace and harmony], [shadow form].

Your move, good sir.

Empress Amarox

Empress Amarox

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2008

Above you.

Mo/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra View Post
Just to let you all know, the May Skill balance update will be on May 14 this month.

We will be distributing the XTH points, swapping out the tonic, doing AT map rotations, etc. tomorrow (May 7).
Kay. Thanks for the heads up Regina. Glad the XTH points are coming in on their normal schedule.

Hi I'm Regem

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2008

Malice Moguls

This is honestly really dumb. I come back to guild wars and see alot of stupid broken stuff, i know a skill updates comming and then it gets delayed for like a month and a half. The pvp quest update is phenominal in my opinion, but does it honestly take this much time to balance a few skills?

Dont even set dates anymore - just use the word eventually. In fact don't even tell us when there is a skill update to get our hopes up, because not only does it not come when you say - but you usually do something really unintellegent when you make an skill update. I heard some rumors about some certain necro skills getting a rework in this next update - i really hope they don't extend past the rumor stage. After four years of playing guild wars i had to actually post on guru because this is really the first time you have made me angry.

This current metagame makes me angry because it is really hard - if not impossible - to play gvg with certain playstyles (or build variety for that matter) - not that anyone working at ANET could understand this. I've been running around guild wars pugging random gvgs with some old friends just to play until you get some sane skill balance going. The wait has been way too long. It doesn't seem like it should be so difficult to rework a few super blantanly broken skills like PnH, WE, Linger, party heals....honestly...

I mean honestly....if you ever want to know why american AT's are 3 rounds long with like 2 forfiets and a bunch of horrible guilds playing each other with assassin paragon spike this is why. This might be one of the reasons why everyone doesn't play anymore. Maybe, dunno. But I am hoping this will be a good update as i do with every single one. This rant makes me feel like a nerd so im gonna stop.


And whoever says sins should be nerfed more should stop posting in threads about skill updates. Maybe reworked, not nerfed.

-Makai-

-Makai-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2007

WA

DH

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Ack! More bad timing...I've got a job interview on the same day. Choices, choices...

savage vapor 33

savage vapor 33

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Regems Basement

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Regem you turn me on with your words of wisdom

Zee Stormrage

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2009

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hi I'm Regem View Post
This is honestly really dumb. I come back to guild wars and see alot of stupid broken stuff, i know a skill updates comming and then it gets delayed for like a month and a half. The pvp quest update is phenominal in my opinion, but does it honestly take this much time to balance a few skills?

Dont even set dates anymore - just use the word eventually. In fact don't even tell us when there is a skill update to get our hopes up, because not only does it not come when you say - but you usually do something really unintellegent when you make an skill update. I heard some rumors about some certain necro skills getting a rework in this next update - i really hope they don't extend past the rumor stage. After four years of playing guild wars i had to actually post on guru because this is really the first time you have made me angry.

This current metagame makes me angry because it is really hard - if not impossible - to play gvg with certain playstyles (or build variety for that matter) - not that anyone working at ANET could understand this. I've been running around guild wars pugging random gvgs with some old friends just to play until you get some sane skill balance going. The wait has been way too long. It doesn't seem like it should be so difficult to rework a few super blantanly broken skills like PnH, WE, Linger, party heals....honestly...

I mean honestly....if you ever want to know why american AT's are 3 rounds long with like 2 forfiets and a bunch of horrible guilds playing each other with assassin paragon spike this is why. This might be one of the reasons why everyone doesn't play anymore. Maybe, dunno. But I am hoping this will be a good update as i do with every single one. This rant makes me feel like a nerd so im gonna stop.


And whoever says sins should be nerfed more should stop posting in threads about skill updates. Maybe reworked, not nerfed.
I completely Agree with this statement, it really doesn't seem like Anet needs over a month to do minor skill updates, there are only a handful or skills that make higher-end pvp annoying and most players know exactly what to do to change them. I at least hope that the time is being put into GW2.

I pwnd U

I pwnd U

God of Spammers

Join Date: Oct 2005

in the middle of a burning cornfield...

Scars Meadows [SMS] (Officer)

Well at least they told us and we don't have to listen to all the "QQ where is the update?!!??!?" threads.

Foe

Foe

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

wow calm down, this update is going to be huge. Here's a link of some devs discussing their future plans for gws and what to expect from future updates.

newguildwars

Hi I'm Regem

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2008

Malice Moguls

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zee Stormrage View Post
I completely Agree with this statement, it really doesn't seem like Anet needs over a month to do minor skill updates, there are only a handful or skills that make higher-end pvp annoying and most players know exactly what to do to change them. I at least hope that the time is being put into GW2.
Right now they are putting a bunch of un-used skills on a dartboard taking turns throwing darts to see what the next super broken buff is going to be.