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WarcryOfTruth

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09 Nov 2011 at 19:07 - 2481

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laraja

*sigh*

In a former guild I got a 'talking to' for using the word butt... yes... butt. Do some people really find that word offensive?

I also got in trouble for bitch and ass, and it wasn't name calling. I believe I said a mission with henchmen was a bitch, and we got our asses kicked.

I never considered myself having a potty mouth but perhaps I do?

Damn doesn't bother me either.

The problem lies, I believe, in word context for me. You can say the 'f' word all you want since it really doesn't have a meaning of its own any longer, it's all in the context of the sentence. It can be a compliment, a happy word, a bad word or a sad word. However, I don't use it since it has such a stigma attached to it.

Anyway, sorry you got kicked for 'damn', as you can see, I've had the same problem.

Your entire posts offends me! So much potty mouth!

No no, in all seriousness, in response to your post and the one whom you quoted, why is there even a debate? If you aren't comfortable with seeing that stuff, use the language filter, don't stop people from being who they are!

BladeDVD

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10 Nov 2011 at 00:23 - 2482

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarcryOfTruth

If you aren't comfortable with seeing that stuff, use the language filter, don't stop people from being who they are!

Foul language is actually against the terms of service of the game, believe it or not. The language filter is there to help provide some relief from people who break the rules. Its inclusion in the game is not a blanket ok to swear at will.

That's kind of besides the point though since this is more about guild or ally chat. Some guilds have rules about this usually intended to shape the kind of atmosphere they want for guild/ally chat. If it's just a group of friends who get together to play GWs then this kind of stuff isn't necessary, but when you get 20-50 people each in 10 guilds, you're going to have stuff come up and not having rules that tell people how they're expected to behave you're just kind of asking for trouble. If you don't like the rules just leave or not join in the first place. No one's trying to tell anyone how to live your life, they're just saying if you want to play in our sandbox, these are the rules.

I mean try getting around the word filter on swear words here on guru and see where that gets you. Same thing really (since the in game language filter isn't exhaustive).

vader

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

P/W

13 Nov 2011 at 12:50 - 2483

ZB HM 1 Monk to go.

Saw this in Doomlore last night. The group leader spammed for at least 45 minutes looking for a Monk instead of just trying with a Hero Monk. I'm surprised the whole group waited as long as they did.

Skyy High

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Join Date: May 2006

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15 Nov 2011 at 21:57 - 2484

Quote:

Originally Posted by BladeDVD

Foul language is actually against the terms of service of the game, believe it or not. The language filter is there to help provide some relief from people who break the rules. Its inclusion in the game is not a blanket ok to swear at will.

Fairly certain the EULA says you can't use abusive language, not "foul language". Basically, "F***!" is fine as an exclamation, "F*** YOU!" is not. The game is rated T, and it'd be absolutely insane for them to say that no one is allowed to curse in any situation in their game. This is, in fact, precisely why the language filter is there.

Oh, also, circumventing the filter by slightly misspelling curses is also a no-no, afaik.

Lithril Ashwalker

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15 Nov 2011 at 22:13 - 2485

actually i can counteract that filter statement, i cursed out a Nazi spammer in ra long ago and despite the filter being on i pleaded that others shoulda had it on, and regardless they states(anet did) even if its there i shouldnt abuse it.

Swingline

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15 Nov 2011 at 22:27 - 2486

Quote:

Originally Posted by vader

ZB HM 1 Monk to go.

Saw this in Doomlore last night. The group leader spammed for at least 45 minutes looking for a Monk instead of just trying with a Hero Monk. I'm surprised the whole group waited as long as they did.

There's nothing stupid about this imho. Some people like me do the zaishen quests for nostalgia of the early days when groups of 8 would be wandering around Tyria. A single hero ruins that feeling for me.

Martin Firestorm

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15 Nov 2011 at 22:34 - 2487

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swingline

There's nothing stupid about this imho. Some people like me do the zaishen quests for nostalgia of the early days when groups of 8 would be wandering around Tyria. A single hero ruins that feeling for me.

45 minutes does make it stupid imo....I sure would've dropped long before that.

BladeDVD

Wilds Pathfinder

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Hawaii

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16 Nov 2011 at 06:46 - 2488

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

Fairly certain the EULA says you can't use abusive language, not "foul language". Basically, "F***!" is fine as an exclamation, "F*** YOU!" is not. The game is rated T, and it'd be absolutely insane for them to say that no one is allowed to curse in any situation in their game. This is, in fact, precisely why the language filter is there.

Oh, also, circumventing the filter by slightly misspelling curses is also a no-no, afaik.

I checked before I posted http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php
"You may not use sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, or racially or ethnically offensive language."

However, you ended by talking about cursing, which is a much broader term than "foul language" (by which I meant obscene per the rule). No, they aren't saying no one is allowed to curse.

But the point I was addressing was people being allowed to "be themselves" in the context of using whatever language they want. Which usually means they want to use those "seven words you can't say on TV" so to speak, which aren't allowed by the rules.

So to me it seems logical that since the language under discussion isn't supposed to be used in the game, the only reason to have the filter is to protect people from those breaking the rules (on purpose, accidentally or through ignorance), not to give people permission to break the game rules at will.

ruksak

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16 Nov 2011 at 14:29 - 2489

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laraja

In a former guild I got a 'talking to' for using the word butt... yes... butt. Do some people really find that word offensive?

I also got in trouble for bitch and ass, and it wasn't name calling. I believe I said a mission with henchmen was a bitch, and we got our asses kicked.

I never considered myself having a potty mouth but perhaps I do?

Damn doesn't bother me either.

The problem lies, I believe, in word context for me. You can say the 'f' word all you want since it really doesn't have a meaning of its own any longer, it's all in the context of the sentence. It can be a compliment, a happy word, a bad word or a sad word. However, I don't use it since it has such a stigma attached to it.

Anyway, sorry you got kicked for 'damn', as you can see, I've had the same problem.

My dad told me many years ago "Never trust a man that doesn't curse".

Omar Charrbane

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Join Date: Oct 2011

Imperium Von Aurion

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20 Nov 2011 at 03:46 - 2490

Okay so I was in a PUG Fissure of Woe speedclear (I get the feeling alot of people are groaning already)...

Anyway everything is awesome right until main team is at chest and waiting khobay to die, and the VoS starts randomly attacking mobs of shadowshits right outside where Taeres.

Everyone is yelling at this dude to stop and gtf back inside or die and UA get him, and this is what he says "I don't understand how stupid you SC'ers are not killing all enemies and missing drops" "you are all noobs!"

Okay, punch-line; Taeres dies.

Essence Snow

Unbridled Enthusiasm!

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EST

DPR

20 Nov 2011 at 03:52 - 2491

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omar Charrbane

Okay so I was in a PUG Fissure of Woe speedclear (I get the feeling alot of people are groaning already)...

Anyway everything is awesome right until main team is at chest and waiting khobay to die, and the VoS starts randomly attacking mobs of shadowshits right outside where Taeres.

Everyone is yelling at this dude to stop and gtf back inside or die and UA get him, and this is what he says "I don't understand how stupid you SC'ers are not killing all enemies and missing drops" "you are all noobs!"

Okay, punch-line; Taeres dies.

Granted his comments were not warranted, but if ya'll were finished as main team (this means tos has already been taken) then Taeres dying was irrelevant.

Omar Charrbane

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Imperium Von Aurion

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20 Nov 2011 at 04:00 - 2492

Quote:

Originally Posted by Essence Snow

Granted his comments were not warranted, but if ya'll were finished as main team (this means tos has already been taken) then Taeres dying was irrelevant.

I actually did not know this. But really one of my biggest pet-peeves in general is people (esp in a PUG) who totally ignore teamchat or reply with some crap like "stfu i do what i want"

Kook~NBK~

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Natural Born Killaz

20 Nov 2011 at 07:53 - 2493

Thursday morning I see a "WTB Torment Gems...." I PM'd the person saying I've got some to sell him. Waited several minutes, got no reply, so I went about my merry way doing other things in-game.

Friday morning, I recieved the following PM: "Do you still have those gems for sale?"

Gabriel of Ravn

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Join Date: Mar 2010

Virginia

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20 Nov 2011 at 08:02 - 2494

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

Thursday morning I see a "WTB Torment Gems...." I PM'd the person saying I've got some to sell him. Waited several minutes, got no reply, so I went about my merry way doing other things in-game.

Friday morning, I recieved the following PM: "Do you still have those gems for sale?"

I've had situations similar to this except with some EotN dungeon staves I get a pm like a week after I sell the item saying "are you by chance selling xxx item". I've gotten multiple pms like this I just end up putting them on ignore because I think it's some person who added me to their list and keeps bugging me about the same items.

Also to add to the thread I had someone rage at me earlier in the week when I was selling clovers 5k cheaper than them I didn't even see their wts I just perfer to sell stuff at on an even number example 60k instead of 65k was I think what I was trying to sell for or maybe it was 70k don't remember.

AngelWJedi

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20 Nov 2011 at 09:47 - 2495

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabriel of Ravn

I've had situations similar to this except with some EotN dungeon staves I get a pm like a week after I sell the item saying "are you by chance selling xxx item". I've gotten multiple pms like this I just end up putting them on ignore because I think it's some person who added me to their list and keeps bugging me about the same items.

Also to add to the thread I had someone rage at me earlier in the week when I was selling clovers 5k cheaper than them I didn't even see their wts I just perfer to sell stuff at on an even number example 60k instead of 65k was I think what I was trying to sell for or maybe it was 70k don't remember.

oh boy i had this happen to me alot. out of the blue i get a whisp are you still selling xxx? oo; im like dude did you not read my thread that was ages ago. >> alot of people on my ignore list are these guys

vader

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

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20 Nov 2011 at 13:47 - 2496

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabriel of Ravn

I've had situations similar to this except with some EotN dungeon staves I get a pm like a week after I sell the item saying "are you by chance selling xxx item". I've gotten multiple pms like this I just end up putting them on ignore because I think it's some person who added me to their list and keeps bugging me about the same items.

Ignore? Really? Whenever I am looking for something, and if I can't find anyone selling it in-game, I'll use http://argos-soft.net/GwEstimator/ to see if anyone was selling it in the past week or so. If I find someone, I'll whisper them and ask if they still have it. I've found a bunch of things I've been looking for using this.

Gabriel of Ravn

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Virginia

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20 Nov 2011 at 17:53 - 2497

Quote:

Originally Posted by vader

Ignore? Really? Whenever I am looking for something, and if I can't find anyone selling it in-game, I'll use http://argos-soft.net/GwEstimator/ to see if anyone was selling it in the past week or so. If I find someone, I'll whisper them and ask if they still have it. I've found a bunch of things I've been looking for using this.

Yes I put them on ignore because it's been multiple times with the same item and I'm almost certain it was the same person, I can't be bothered to remember their name, which I've told multiple times I no longer have the item.

Omar Charrbane

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20 Nov 2011 at 18:04 - 2498

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabriel of Ravn

Yes I put them on ignore because it's been multiple times with the same item and I'm almost certain it was the same person, I can't be bothered to remember their name, which I've told multiple times I no longer have the item.

What was the item?

BladeDVD

Wilds Pathfinder

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21 Nov 2011 at 10:10 - 2499

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omar Charrbane

What was the item?

And do you still have it for sale?

ruksak

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21 Nov 2011 at 17:03 - 2500

I'm getting impatient with people that stand in Kamadan wanting to buy crafting materials (diamonds, shards etc) offering to pay less for them than the merch would buy them for. I even point this out to them in case they didn't know...."Hey, ya know there's a merch standing a few seconds away from you thats paying more for them, right"?

I'm sure some of them are just stupid, but most them are just wasting their day parked waiting for a sucker to come along so they can rip them off. All this for a few hundred gold instead of just paying fair value for them.

vader

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

P/W

21 Nov 2011 at 17:20 - 2501

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruksak

I'm getting impatient with people that stand in Kamadan wanting to buy crafting materials (diamonds, shards etc) offering to pay less for them than the merch would buy them for. I even point this out to them in case they didn't know...."Hey, ya know there's a merch standing a few seconds away from you thats paying more for them, right"?

I'm sure some of them are just stupid, but most them are just wasting their day parked waiting for a sucker to come along so they can rip them off. All this for a few hundred gold instead of just paying fair value for them.

Or, how about the people that don't know (or refuse to use) Party Search when buying and selling. Open up Party Search and see:

WTS: 7 Unid Golds 5k

Scroll down a page and you see:

WTB: 7 Unid Golds 5k

Omar Charrbane

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21 Nov 2011 at 18:10 - 2502

Quote:

Originally Posted by BladeDVD

And do you still have it for sale?

lol nice you got to where I was headed 1st

Tommy's

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21 Nov 2011 at 19:40 - 2503

Quote:

Originally Posted by vader

Or, how about the people that don't know (or refuse to use) Party Search when buying and selling. Open up Party Search and see:

WTS: 7 Unid Golds 5k

Scroll down a page and you see:

WTB: 7 Unid Golds 5k

With a lot of items this might be stupid, but unid golds should not be one of them. It's very plausible that the person buying them wants so many unids that he is looking for multiple sellers. Or of course (less likely) the other way around, the person selling them has so many that he is looking for multiple buyers.

WarcryOfTruth

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23 Nov 2011 at 16:45 - 2504

Doing Ruins of Surmia on my Rit. I'm asked to run SoS because "we need damage" (lol already, right?). So, I tell the party leader I don't really want to run it, I'd rather be active in the party, and I offer other suggestions for higher DPS, but she doesn't listen; you guys should know this about me by now.

So we enter the mission, and she catches that I'm not using spirits, and wants us to resign, saying we're "going slow". I didn't really understand that, since we were rolling really fast, she just stopped moving. But, I've seen the DPS a spammer can cause, it IS nice, yes, I get that, but it's no where near top of the line, especially for a Ritualist.

I honestly felt like I was just being trolled, no way someone is that serious about it...

Voodoo Rage

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23 Nov 2011 at 18:03 - 2505

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarcryOfTruth

Doing Ruins of Surmia on my Rit. I'm asked to run SoS because "we need damage" (lol already, right?). So, I tell the party leader I don't really want to run it, I'd rather be active in the party, and I offer other suggestions for higher DPS, but she doesn't listen; you guys should know this about me by now.

So we enter the mission, and she catches that I'm not using spirits, and wants us to resign, saying we're "going slow". I didn't really understand that, since we were rolling really fast, she just stopped moving. But, I've seen the DPS a spammer can cause, it IS nice, yes, I get that, but it's no where near top of the line, especially for a Ritualist.

I honestly felt like I was just being trolled, no way someone is that serious about it...

I rarely PuG but last night my guild was doing Temple of Tahnnahki (horribly mispelled, I know) in NM and I joined up. It was really shocking how utterly ineffective I felt without my "perfectly optimized" set of heroes massively buffing and protecting me (warrior). I died several times, in normal mode no less; and totally felt like a Leroy. I think the problem with groups now is that we are all very used to our own particular style of play and the associated hero builds to facilitate that. It's really hard to just join up with a bunch of random builds and still be effective.

WarcryOfTruth

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23 Nov 2011 at 18:34 - 2506

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voodoo Rage

I rarely PuG but last night my guild was doing Temple of Tahnnahki (horribly mispelled, I know) in NM and I joined up. It was really shocking how utterly ineffective I felt without my "perfectly optimized" set of heroes massively buffing and protecting me (warrior). I died several times, in normal mode no less; and totally felt like a Leroy. I think the problem with groups now is that we are all very used to our own particular style of play and the associated hero builds to facilitate that. It's really hard to just join up with a bunch of random builds and still be effective.

I suppose so. You make a good point, but, why is it that when something new comes out in this game, everyone suddenly forgets the old ever existed? New doesn't always mean the best, and in my case, or yours for that matter, it's true.

Korain

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23 Nov 2011 at 20:33 - 2507

Stupidest thing I've ever heard, hands down. Was duo farming UW for ecto's the other day and my friend told me over vent:

"Back in the day, a perfect unidentified gold Storm Bow was worth like 100k."
Followed by, "Why the hell did people ever buy unidentified items?" from someone else in our server. Hah.

AngelWJedi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2008

orlando,florida

Society of Souls [Argh]

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24 Nov 2011 at 04:57 - 2508

so i come back from afk to see the weirdst line in ac. someone wrote and i quote *its cause you said you refused to suck on the meat stick cord* o.o then after i make a o.o face the poster goes ec then says i cant recover from that can i? xD

lorazcyk

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26 Nov 2011 at 02:16 - 2509

When I was on one of the biggest guilds in GW (and lamest too) there were super important ventrilo meetings. In one of them, the leader asks:

"So, how has being in [xxxx] improved your life?"

WarcryOfTruth

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27 Nov 2011 at 03:16 - 2510

This thread:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/v...51#post5603151

He's asking for tech support about Skyrim, on a Guild Wars forum. As my supervising Pharmacist says, and I quote: "SERIOUSLY!?"

Gabriel of Ravn

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27 Nov 2011 at 03:46 - 2511

Well killing time in Kamadan I see someone selling a req9 resto froggy I asked them if they were still selling I get a message a few min later they said yes they show a req10 I said I thought it was req9 since that's what it said in the party search. They said no it's not you tard (putting it nicely) I cancel trade so I use argos just to search history to see if I just misread or they mistyped surely enough it was their mistake.
Sigh I feel sad for people who don't realize it's their own mistake.

Kunder

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2010

27 Nov 2011 at 05:53 - 2512

Well, I did something majorly stupid today...

Gate of Madness. Pugging HM with 2 pubs that were in the outpost. Wasn't paying attention while capping shrines, minions/spirits took Shiro down to ~30% health. Impossible Odds goes off, Heroes die instantly and pubs die from not paying attention.

I have no res on my bar because I never carry one. So there I am alone vs Shiro. 20 minutes of kiting and shouting at him with an AP bar that can't activate AP later, he is dead. Selling off drops at the NPC before next mission, see a random resurrection scroll in my inventory I got from some quest a few days back...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabriel of Ravn

Well killing time in Kamadan I see someone selling a req9 resto froggy I asked them if they were still selling I get a message a few min later they said yes they show a req10 I said I thought it was req9 since that's what it said in the party search. They said no it's not you tard (putting it nicely) I cancel trade so I use argos just to search history to see if I just misread or they mistyped surely enough it was their mistake.
Sigh I feel sad for people who don't realize it's their own mistake.

Probably intentional to get more people to look. Foot in the Door technique for the elite who would normally only buy "perfect" req9s.

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

28 Nov 2011 at 16:59 - 2513

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kunder

Well, I did something majorly stupid today...

Gate of Madness. Pugging HM with 2 pubs that were in the outpost. Wasn't paying attention while capping shrines, minions/spirits took Shiro down to ~30% health. Impossible Odds goes off, Heroes die instantly and pubs die from not paying attention.

I have no res on my bar because I never carry one. So there I am alone vs Shiro. 20 minutes of kiting and shouting at him with an AP bar that can't activate AP later, he is dead. Selling off drops at the NPC before next mission, see a random resurrection scroll in my inventory I got from some quest a few days back...

That's hilarious. Would've been frustrating if you failed, but as-is? Epic.

Martin Firestorm

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Louisiana

E/Me

29 Nov 2011 at 22:38 - 2514

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kunder

see a random resurrection scroll in my inventory I got from some quest a few days back

res scrolls r ur friends...not sure why more ppl don't carry a few at all times.

nuclear_herring

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

New Zealand

Impus Jaenellus (Imp)

R/Mo

13 Dec 2011 at 06:32 - 2515

I saw this yesterday.

Ah, well. At least it didn't happen in a 6 year old game, eh?

Merovingian

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2011

Mo/

13 Dec 2011 at 09:01 - 2516

A guildy said he is quitting so there was a farewell gathering in the guild hall. Many people expected freebies but instead he announced that he would attempt to crash the ecto market and promptly ran over to the Rare mats trader and started clicking away.

After a several minutes of us circling him in outrage, he reported selling 150e to the trader without any change in the price XD We got cold hard cash in the end instead lol fail

Out of curiosity, does anyone actually know how much ecto it takes to bring the price up/down one notch at the trader?

T1Cybernetic

Desert Nomad

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Wakefield, West Yorkshire, Uk, Nr Earth

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13 Dec 2011 at 09:24 - 2517

I sold over 2500 once but it didn't make much of a dent

It only went down about 1k in the end, I also tried the same with shards but that didn't change much at all either.

(I bought the ecto and shards when price was very low) So I made a decent profit

Merovingian

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2011

Mo/

13 Dec 2011 at 15:01 - 2518

Quote:

Originally Posted by T1Cybernetic

I sold over 2500 once but it didn't make much of a dent

It only went down about 1k in the end, I also tried the same with shards but that didn't change much at all either.

(I bought the ecto and shards when price was very low) So I made a decent profit

You sold 2500ecto to the trader? Where did you manage to store the 20mill cash that generated? You would need 10-15accounts to hold that amount of gold

T1Cybernetic

Desert Nomad

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Wakefield, West Yorkshire, Uk, Nr Earth

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13 Dec 2011 at 16:31 - 2519

I think it came to about 10 million, Ecto were only 3-4k at the time

But yeah I just stuck the gold on my alt accounts. Way back when there was no upgrades I bought a couple of cheap ones for storage

cormac ap dunn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2007

Mystic Empires III [xMEx]

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18 Dec 2011 at 08:40 - 2520

Most recently would have to be the very expected barrage of "WTS Guild Wars 2 beta key" scammers in spamadan. Seems like eventually these kids would figure out that it's a fast ban, but maybe that's just me having too much faith in today's youth