http://www.guildwars.com/events/cont...l_bar_contest/
Winners, yay.
(side note, I FREAKING WON with a paragon gvg bar, lol)
Henchman Skill Bar Contest Winners!
Jensy
dr love
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Originally Posted by pansy malfoy
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damn those look like regular bars that players play... also frenzy on a henchmen sounds like a fantastic idea
well at least if a player d/cs in HA, you'll have a henchmen with the exact same skills as they did, but with no critical thinking abilities
i have some ideas for the heros names:
"Dies In Frenzy"
"Fleshes With No Health"
"Infuses Out"
"Snares Nothing"
"Convert Hex Grasping Earth"
"Death Pacts Warriors"
![]HM[ Sabre Wolf](/static/static/../Img/avatar102835_2.gif){kind=avatar}
]HM[ Sabre Wolf
GZ to the winners who actually submitted a cool build.
But seriously? Talk about taking the meta and just apply it to the Warriors... total lack of creativity... I guess cookie cutter works in contest builds as well... I wish I could say GZ to the ones that submitted the War GvG bars... but those builds have been in the meta for like over a year. Nothing new or special...
EDIT: Actually looking down the list...
Conjure Crip
Magehunter (Sin version)
Primal Rage (Axe)
Kappa Ele
MB Ele
Shatter Gank
LC Necro (standard)
Seriously? Lets just submit the current meta...
But seriously? Talk about taking the meta and just apply it to the Warriors... total lack of creativity... I guess cookie cutter works in contest builds as well... I wish I could say GZ to the ones that submitted the War GvG bars... but those builds have been in the meta for like over a year. Nothing new or special...
EDIT: Actually looking down the list...
Conjure Crip
Magehunter (Sin version)
Primal Rage (Axe)
Kappa Ele
MB Ele
Shatter Gank
LC Necro (standard)
Seriously? Lets just submit the current meta...
I Angra I
CONGRATS WOOO <3
Though I do have to say, do they even realize that the henchmen will be able to use maybe 1 or 2 of those bars properly, and that's it? There's so many skills that the AI doesn't use correctly and it's going to be a hugely wasted henchman slot.
Though I do have to say, do they even realize that the henchmen will be able to use maybe 1 or 2 of those bars properly, and that's it? There's so many skills that the AI doesn't use correctly and it's going to be a hugely wasted henchman slot.
Giga_Gaia
Wait.. henchmen can't use frenzy properly... they'll die in seconds. WTH? Am I missing something here?
EDIT: Looking closer, I highly doubt the AI can handle any of the builds that require skill/timing instead of spamming. And those that just spams will most likely run into energy problems. Lol
EDIT: Looking closer, I highly doubt the AI can handle any of the builds that require skill/timing instead of spamming. And those that just spams will most likely run into energy problems. Lol
joshuarodger
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Originally Posted by pansy malfoy
http://www.guildwars.com/events/cont...l_bar_contest/
Winners, yay. (side note, I FREAKING WON with a paragon gvg bar, lol) |
Neo Nugget
Grats on the win! I wasn't really expecting to win anything.
So what are you going to name the henchie?
So what are you going to name the henchie?
StormDragonZ
I'm probably going to be the only person to say this, but:
A build with Primal Rage won... really!?
EDIT: A build with Death Pact Signet won... really!?
A build with Primal Rage won... really!?
EDIT: A build with Death Pact Signet won... really!?
]HM[ Sabre Wolf
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that tonic is going to be worth a buttload if you sell it.
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Shayne Hawke
Oh, those bars, those bars, those bars...
I just hope that ANet isn't getting a clue from these kinds of builds for this year's CB. I will cry many tears if that happens.
I just hope that ANet isn't getting a clue from these kinds of builds for this year's CB. I will cry many tears if that happens.
]HM[ Sabre Wolf
Wait... Bunny Thumper wins? (under HA)
moriz
wow, way to be utterly generic.
although that cripshot bar is totally lawl.
although that cripshot bar is totally lawl.
Zahr Dalsk
Entertaining skill bars, those.
lolanet
lolanet
Zesty
The way they worded the contest rules makes me take this change is going to be a large failure unless they don't use the original rules as strictly as they intended.
So basically here is where I got the impression they were not changing AI behavior at all for this. The builds submitted are not necessarily bad but a lot of them are to complex for effective use by AI. Frenzy/PRage for one should really not be trusted on a hero especially when faced by a caster or ranged spike. AI has always had tough times with hammers along with complex assassin combos as well. Skills such as Aura of Stability, Defile Defenses, Infuse and others are used incorrectly or not used at all by AI.
So basically. This contest was more of an epic fail than it already was, who will really use anything besides the hexers and paragons in the first place. On top of this, the AI makes the other henchmen useless besides the hexers and paragons.
So here's my post to say screw you anet I made all my builds according to AI flaws.
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So basically. This contest was more of an epic fail than it already was, who will really use anything besides the hexers and paragons in the first place. On top of this, the AI makes the other henchmen useless besides the hexers and paragons.
So here's my post to say screw you anet I made all my builds according to AI flaws.
slowerpoke
there shouldn't be any hench or heroes in ha/gvg
instead, improve player grouping and rank system
hmm my frenzy healsig mending no elite war didnt win
instead, improve player grouping and rank system
hmm my frenzy healsig mending no elite war didnt win
]HM[ Sabre Wolf
Ya I mean... the Henchie will be using Hammer Bash, which looses all Adr before they get to Mage Hunter... and Frenzy/PRage on Henchie = auto death...
I will say GG to the Rit builds though... those ones are thought out. So I will say congratz to those people.
I will say GG to the Rit builds though... those ones are thought out. So I will say congratz to those people.
Jensy
^__^
This is way dorky, but I'm excited, heh. I never win shit.
(side note, there's no way in dooty I want a henchmen rezzing me with DPS...)
This is way dorky, but I'm excited, heh. I never win shit.
(side note, there's no way in dooty I want a henchmen rezzing me with DPS...)
Thenameless Wonder
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Originally Posted by ]HM[ Sabre Wolf
GZ to the winners who actually submitted a cool build.
But seriously? Talk about taking the meta and just apply it to the Warriors... total lack of creativity... I guess cookie cutter works in contest builds as well... I wish I could say GZ to the ones that submitted the War GvG bars... but those builds have been in the meta for like over a year. Nothing new or special... EDIT: Actually looking down the list... Conjure Crip Magehunter (Sin version) Primal Rage (Axe) Kappa Ele MB Ele Shatter Gank LC Necro (standard) Seriously? Lets just submit the current meta... |
dr love
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Originally Posted by ]HM[ Sabre Wolf
I will say GG to the Rit builds though... those ones are thought out. So I will say congratz to those people.
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[email protected]
well at least the big picture will be achieved. heroes and any sort of AI won't see the light of day in pvp
]HM[ Sabre Wolf
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Originally Posted by dbulger
they are just meta rt bars...
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I Angra I
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Originally Posted by pansy malfoy
^__^
This is way dorky, but I'm excited, heh. I never win shit. (side note, there's no way in dooty I want a henchmen rezzing me with DPS...) |
.. but that doesn't change my opinion that most of the bars they picked are going to be retardedly useless because the AI won't know how to use them, haha.
stuntharley
I laughed so hard, Waste want, want not or w/e on a healers boon bar?
this a joke?
this is funny
/flame
this a joke?
this is funny
/flame
]HM[ Sabre Wolf
right I am not mad at you Pansy Malfoy for winning... and your bar was ok... but I am more shaking my head at ANET for seemingly to just throw up the current meta for the winners that wont work on henchies. AI can't handle 2 stances very well... and almost every single Warrior, Ranger and Sin bar has 2 stances...
Zesty
The GvG rit bar is pretty good. I can see it all now...
You are a midliner and you're under some mild pressure and your rit hero casts Resillient/Warding on you to keep you alive. 1/4 seconds later it is replaced by Xinrae's weapon and you are spiked down because the good weapon spell was removed. QQ
You are a midliner and you're under some mild pressure and your rit hero casts Resillient/Warding on you to keep you alive. 1/4 seconds later it is replaced by Xinrae's weapon and you are spiked down because the good weapon spell was removed. QQ
]HM[ Sabre Wolf
Well... if they wanted AI out of GvG and HA... they almost got it, almost eveyone takes a Hero/Henchie Monk... which I am not sad about TBH... I didnt think they belong in the high end of PvP (PLAYER vs PLAYER)... so I can't be 100% mad I guess...
Shadowmoon
meta bars won, bars with relic snares in ha won. Honestly a hero can't use relic snare right, why pick those. Also they did not pick a tainted flesh necro, no human necro wants to play that bar.
I feel whoever picked them didn't really think things through that well. Henchies with frenzy and snares, which really does take a human element to run correctly is given to npc's u can't even micro to use them when u want them to use them.
I feel whoever picked them didn't really think things through that well. Henchies with frenzy and snares, which really does take a human element to run correctly is given to npc's u can't even micro to use them when u want them to use them.
Sifow Chan
Seems like they just picked the first few submitted. Seriously...henchmen running builds you actually need to think to play...nice job.
Meta builds continue to ruin the game. Geez, the devs are getting lazier, why sink to the level of using meta builds.
Meta builds continue to ruin the game. Geez, the devs are getting lazier, why sink to the level of using meta builds.
snaek
so they went through over 30,000 skill bars when they could have went straight to pvxwiki.com and end up with the same results within minutes?
Racthoh
I was kinda under the impression they wanted us to submit something creative that the AI could handle (expecting the AI to pre-cast and maintain Aggressive Refrain for starters). I've barely logged in for the past year and know some of those bars were ripped from observer mode.
awry
wow anet. if i remember correctly
--sin AI don't use the offhands that require knockdowns to work. And coward? If i remember correctly, the AI don't use it well.
--As people have said, frenzy on henchmen bar? lol.... self evident how bad that is for anyone who puts it on their hero in pve.
--Good luck getting that death's charge shadowstep that war hench has to be used correctly instead for just healing.
--aura of stablility? PPFFF good luck getting a hench to use that appropiately.
... no, i'm not bitter that they choose pvx wiki builds made for humans instead of AI and not my super ingenious ones.... no, not at all...
--sin AI don't use the offhands that require knockdowns to work. And coward? If i remember correctly, the AI don't use it well.
--As people have said, frenzy on henchmen bar? lol.... self evident how bad that is for anyone who puts it on their hero in pve.
--Good luck getting that death's charge shadowstep that war hench has to be used correctly instead for just healing.
--aura of stablility? PPFFF good luck getting a hench to use that appropiately.
... no, i'm not bitter that they choose pvx wiki builds made for humans instead of AI and not my super ingenious ones.... no, not at all...
I Angra I
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I was kinda under the impression they wanted us to submit something creative that the AI could handle (expecting the AI to pre-cast and maintain Aggressive Refrain for starters). I've barely logged in for the past year and know some of those bars were ripped from observer mode.
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dr love
anyway, there is much more important news:
The Guild Wars Halloween Art Contest 2009 marks the introduction of the brand new Mad King’s Guard Miniature!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Guild Wars Halloween Art Contest 2009 marks the introduction of the brand new Mad King’s Guard Miniature!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
slowerpoke
AI will never properly emulate human skill usage. Certainly not when there's so many different skill combinations and situations for their use and execution.
Shadowmoon
I guess they are getting exactly want they wanted, remove npc's from pvp. We are losing our customizable henchies, ie hero, for henchies with bars that will not be run well, or just a waste of skill spots. I'm feeling like I'm getting more removed content than added next month.
snaek
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And coward? If i remember correctly, the AI don't use it well.
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Axel Zinfandel
A.. ok..
I don't even play PvP and I can tell this is pretty fail. Some of those (Leet Noobified's channeling/wastenot boon build) look like bad PvE builds.
Also, Seconding what Ractoch said, I thought these were going to be builds that AI can handle, and general use, non-meta builds.
I love seeing a couple of those builds in there that were JUST nerfed, and were probably submitted before the nerf. hilarious stuff.
I don't even play PvP and I can tell this is pretty fail. Some of those (Leet Noobified's channeling/wastenot boon build) look like bad PvE builds.
Also, Seconding what Ractoch said, I thought these were going to be builds that AI can handle, and general use, non-meta builds.
I love seeing a couple of those builds in there that were JUST nerfed, and were probably submitted before the nerf. hilarious stuff.
dr love
a little copy paste from http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Hero_behavior
Specific skills
Unused Skills are those that heroes never use or never seem to use; consider these carefully before including in heroes' builds, as you will have to manually activate them.
* Heroes do not seem to use Falling Lotus Strike or Falling Spider on their own.
* Heroes will not use Rage of the Ntouka, "Coward!", or Deadly Paradox.
Specific skills
Unused Skills are those that heroes never use or never seem to use; consider these carefully before including in heroes' builds, as you will have to manually activate them.
* Heroes do not seem to use Falling Lotus Strike or Falling Spider on their own.
* Heroes will not use Rage of the Ntouka, "Coward!", or Deadly Paradox.
stuntharley
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A.. ok..
I don't even play PvP and I can tell this is pretty fail. Some of those (Leet Noobified's channeling/wastenot boon build) look like bad PvE builds. |
Channeling is great but waste not want not is terrible and they probs wont use it correctly.
Sifow Chan
I'm a bit irritated by the choices; myself and many others have submitted more AI friendly builds and the devs choose builds the AI will not correctly use. I feel cheated in a way. PvX always wins and I can't stand it.
awry
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Originally Posted by snaek
try doesn't use it at all. i can name at least 2 or 3 dozen problems the ai will encounter trying to run these builds. also, yes some of these are meta builds, but what is more disturbing is that some of them are outdated meta builds.
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