For players that are like me and have done all there is to do in Guild Wars, the XTH provides a reason to keep up with the game and the current PvP meta. For most players, it provides a valuable source of well needed monthly virtual "income". The XTH sort of bridges the gap between PvE and PvP in a respect that PvE players will pay more attention to PvP for the sake of having accurate predictions at the end of the month.
Now that the XTH has been down, I still check every Thursday night, hoping that Kun Shao will come back from vacation. Anet has been leading me on like an overly flirty high school girl leads on guys, and then eventually kicks them to the side of the road. Well Anet, I feel like I have been kicked to the side for the last time. The XTH is well overdue for the patient community and I am here to say that I am beginning to have a bad taste in my mouth. Is this what GW2 is going to be like? Is there going to be a problem that is too hard for you to solve, so you are going to push it off for months on end? Or even quit on the problem and bag the whole operation?
It is totally beyond my comprehension as to why Anet would completely demoralize an entire gaming community like this. Companies fail because of small little things like this.
Fix it please.
Thank you
*Note I do not need the Zkeys, I am plenty rich already thank-you. I just think ArenaNet has not kept us up to date on the XTH and really dropped the ball bigtime.*
XTH has become an epic fail
king swift
Jecht Scye
A little over-dramatic, but I agree with you. It would really be nice to see it come back.
Shayne Hawke
From my experience, PvEers never paid attention to PvP to get better XTH rewards. They went and asked other PvPers who actually care about PvP about what to pick. PvEers probably couldn't care less, as long as they get their money.
"become" an epic fail? XTH was always a bad idea.
"become" an epic fail? XTH was always a bad idea.
king swift
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From my experience, PvEers never paid attention to PvP to get better XTH rewards. They went and asked other PvPers who actually care about PvP about what to pick. PvEers probably couldn't care less, as long as they get their money.
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Black Metal
Wonder why CR won't even address it any more, their last response 6 weeks ago or so made it seem like it was pretty close, pending some last testing. I'm guessing it failed, though I don't understand why a simple note on where things stood is so hard.
Regina simply refuses to address it.
Regina simply refuses to address it.
king swift
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Wonder why CR won't even address it any more, their last response 6 weeks ago or so made it seem like it was pretty close, pending some last testing. I'm guessing it failed, though I don't understand why a simple note on where things stood is so hard.
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the pretender
I think they have really screwed up big time with the current(broken) XTH. I only see 1 of 2 things happening: 1. They close the project 2. They Re-role back to the old XTH. If they keep building on top of a faulty system they're only going to get more problems!
king swift
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I think they have really screwed up big time with the current(broken) XTH. I only see 1 of 2 things happening: 1. They close the project 2. They Re-role back to the old XTH. If they keep building on top of a faulty system they're only going to get more problems!
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Thamior Shamus
Update from ANet: Kun Shao was captured by the Shadow Army and later died in his prision cell making it impossible hand out the (May?) prediction RPs. Also note that the XTH self-destructed w/ the loss of Kun Shao.
I expect to see something like that in the next couple months from anet....
I expect to see something like that in the next couple months from anet....
Divine Ashes
I can tell you what will most likely happen. They'll redistribute the May RPs that weren't rewarded, but they'll close XTH down forever...and so what? It was free income with little to no time investment. You can't cry about getting free cake for a long time and then having it taken away. If that happens, you go and start making your own cake like you should.
Uriel_Wolfblood
The only reason I started paying attention and getting more involved in PVP was when I discovered XTH. Which unfortuanately was a few months after I had began playing. And in a cruel twist of incredible irony, the first month I made my predictions was May......thats right the month it crashed -_-.....why me? Lol
Villnar Shadowbane
Really though the EL tonics have pretty much been around the block, so the Z-chest for most people is kind of a big rip off. Bring XTH back, let the prices of zkeys drop, let people max their z-ranks without spending rediculous amounts of gold. Lets make the customers happy and keep them going till GW2 please and thanks.
Black Metal
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Im sort of anticipating that Regina will post here with an update on the XTH
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It's stubborn, and from my (and others here) perspective, frustrating. This really is incompetence compounded by poor CR.
Motoko
People who did the XTH predictions make more than the players who don't make single eliminations.
That isn't balanced at all.
A XTH isn't a terrible idea, but it should require a monatary investment (gambling/betting?) and it shouldn't be able to wreck PvPers only form of making money. (zkeys)
That isn't balanced at all.
A XTH isn't a terrible idea, but it should require a monatary investment (gambling/betting?) and it shouldn't be able to wreck PvPers only form of making money. (zkeys)
Bob Slydell
The way it was set up when it was still in operation is what's called an epic fail. Why the hell couldn't we just keep the prediction done in game at an NPC rather than have a seperate account linked to the gw account? By now..i've completely forgotten the name and password to said account.
Eragon Zarroc
meh, we've lived without out it before, we can live without it now. be grateful for the amount of time u have been able to use it :P don't be so whiny, it's pitiful
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Why the hell couldn't we just keep the prediction done in game at an NPC rather than have a seperate account linked to the gw account? By now..i've completely forgotten the name and password to said account.
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obsidian ectoplasm
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People who did the XTH predictions make more than the players who don't make single eliminations.
That isn't balanced at all. A XTH isn't a terrible idea, but it should require a monatary investment (gambling/betting?) and it shouldn't be able to wreck PvPers only form of making money. (zkeys) |
XTH is a good idea, but its too easy to make money.
Shadowspawn X
The XHT is crap. The welfare system of GW. It rewards tards who buy multiple accounts which the regular gamer with one account cant complete with, there for it needs to go away forever.
esthetic
After a couple of months of ANet ignoring XTH, i quit playing GW.. Like many, I bought extra accounts and was actually spending a few days a month observing PvP matches and seeing the meta changes and getting to know the ppl and styles of play in high rated GvG. Making predictions and watching the monthly matches. I loved it when I got a couple correct. IT was fun.
Well after they kinda sold me the accounts they kinda ditched the XTH and just kinda screwed me. So i started playing other games. Well i have spent a couple hundred dollars since i quit a few months ago on other games.. money that ANet will not get. I also was a 20-30 hour a week GW junkie now i dont think i will even buy GW2 or AIon for that matter.
I dont know if others feel the same way but ANet had me from pre sear and somehow just screwed it up with the misqueues and i feel they have alienated me.
Well after they kinda sold me the accounts they kinda ditched the XTH and just kinda screwed me. So i started playing other games. Well i have spent a couple hundred dollars since i quit a few months ago on other games.. money that ANet will not get. I also was a 20-30 hour a week GW junkie now i dont think i will even buy GW2 or AIon for that matter.
I dont know if others feel the same way but ANet had me from pre sear and somehow just screwed it up with the misqueues and i feel they have alienated me.
KZaske
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The XHT is crap. The welfare system of GW. It rewards tards who buy multiple accounts which the regular gamer with one account cant complete with, there for it needs to go away forever.
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Back on topic; The only epic fail is that we don't know what is going on. Not a peep as to the status of XTH for over a month.
As for Regina, she said when she started this job that she is a Public Relations person, not a Customer (Community) Relations person. At this point I wish ANet would hire a Customer (Community) Relations person. Regina has done a lot to improve communications with the general public, for example Twitter and YouTube accounts. Not that I think any rational person would actually use Twitter but a lot of people do. Why do I say that, because Twitter has only recently started to protect thier users.
Gift3d
XTH - the more accounts you have the richer you became
took that out and added...
nicholas - the more accounts you have the richer you become
just xth was easier. yeah it'd be nice to have back but i'm still on a nice little income of at least 150 ectos a month
took that out and added...
nicholas - the more accounts you have the richer you become
just xth was easier. yeah it'd be nice to have back but i'm still on a nice little income of at least 150 ectos a month
Fril Estelin
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A XTH isn't a terrible idea, but it should require a monatary investment (gambling/betting?) and it shouldn't be able to wreck PvPers only form of making money. (zkeys)
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House, season 6 episode 3, "Epic Fail"
Akaraxle
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From my experience, PvEers never paid attention to PvP to get better XTH rewards. They went and asked other PvPers who actually care about PvP about what to pick. PvEers probably couldn't care less, as long as they get their money.
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Carebears that don't want to PvP, never will no matter the efforts. The very transition of GW from a PvP-centric to a PvE-centric game is solid proof.
Daesu
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Carebears that don't want to PvP, never will no matter the efforts. The very transition of GW from a PvP-centric to a PvE-centric game is solid proof.
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And by the way, being envious of other players with multiple accounts and because of that, wanting XTH to remain down, is also an epic fail. I still gain a lot from good old Nicholas!
Akaraxle
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Well at least when XTH was around, it made me watch the games but heck, taking the time to organize a GvG event in guilds where most people have quit, and the rest are not interested in GvG in the first place, is an epic fail. At least I dont have to keep reminding myself to post XTH results every month and I keep forgetting those.
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Daesu
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You said it yourself: "not interested in GvG in the first place". Anyone who'd rather farm than try to get a GvG started, was never cut for PvP in the first place (and this stood when the game was still brimming with activity).
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Gold to buy armors with the same stats? Gold to buy rare skinned weapons with the same stats that nobody cares about except the filthy rich? Even though I have a lot of gold, I am still using my BMP weapons and greens because I dont feel compelled to spend huge amounts of money to buy over priced rares that bear the same stats (or less) as my greens.
I rather that all these useless stuff be more available and concentrate on coming up with interesting builds. Easy gold is not a pull for me to play this game and it never has. The game quality is more important, than the ability to get gold, in a game where most things are not really worth buying anyway.
Sarevok Thordin
The XTH was just a something for nothing, a way for lazy people to get money/items.
Why? I know peopls who solely logged on to check the XTH.
However, this concept of guessing seems to be popular with some people, perhaps in gW2 they can have a betting system for automated tournaments.
Why? I know peopls who solely logged on to check the XTH.
However, this concept of guessing seems to be popular with some people, perhaps in gW2 they can have a betting system for automated tournaments.
turbo234
xth can burn for all i care. and so can RR day. free keys for doing nothing isn't exactly my idea of getting the community involved.
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xth can burn for all i care. and so can RR day. free keys for doing nothing isn't exactly my idea of getting the community involved.
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Even though it can be argued that these require alittle more effort than randomly guessing XTH results, they are still easy to earn. Even without XTH, there are still MANY other ways to benefit from having multiple accounts.
I dont really care about XTH now as I have given up all hope that it would ever be repaired. I have never felt that I needed to buy zkeys from other players either. The whole concept of zkeys is trash.
A true hardcore PvPer wouldn't be interested in chasing after zkeys in the PvE world anyway. A true PvPer wouldn't be jealous of PvE players earning zkeys from XTH since most of them only play with PvP characters. Nicholas gives me everything that I used to get from XTH.
kedde
Keep that piece of crap away and promote playing playing the game instead.
It devaluated the means of dedicated pvp players so whatever scarce value they could get from zkeys would be worth less due to mass influx.
It devaluated the means of dedicated pvp players so whatever scarce value they could get from zkeys would be worth less due to mass influx.
Daesu
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It devaluated the means of dedicated pvp players so whatever scarce value they could get from zkeys would be worth less due to mass influx.
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Zkeys were created because PvE players complained many times in the past that they get no benefit from their earned Balthazar's Factions whenever they pvp. So to make PvP more attractive to PvEers, ANet introduced zkeys which turned out to be an epic fail! I wish they would just remove zkeys altogether which is the cause of many flaming among PvEers. Remove the stupid zaishen emote and the stupid title. Emotes should be for PvP only.
upier
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You said it yourself: "not interested in GvG in the first place". Anyone who'd rather farm than try to get a GvG started, was never cut for PvP in the first place (this was also true when the game was still brimming with activity).
Just so you know, I was against the XTH even before zaishen keys were introduced. Although economically favourable for ANet (it was their way to sell gold, PLUS it made it look as if they were selling copies of the game: win/win), the idea that PvErs would be able to access the same form of currency (RPs) that was specifically designed as a PvP reward while not PvPing made no sense to me. |
And not only that, PvPers also have the opportunity to completely bypass the supply - being able to craft PvE rewards in stats that are available AND in stats that are NOT available to PvE-ers!
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People who did the XTH predictions make more than the players who don't make single eliminations.
That isn't balanced at all. A XTH isn't a terrible idea, but it should require a monetary investment (gambling/betting?) and it shouldn't be able to wreck PvPers only form of making money. (zkeys) |
Otherwise the guys playing ALWAYS has the opportunity to get more.
PvPers have the ability to create characters for free.
The NPC offering rewards does not adjust his prices depending on the amount of money in the game.
All prices, outside of the ultra rare market, dropped. Yet, these prices still hold their primary function - they are meant to exclude people. The only thing that potentially changed is who is excluded. And if you are excluded, that just means you aren't rich enough.
PvPers are in the same boat as PvEers. So, why should the rewards be regulated in such a fashion that the PvP rewards would NOT be wrecked while the PvE rewards ARE, especially when we take into consideration what I just said?
You seriously do not want to turn this into WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA PvP WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH PvE!
Oh and I almost forgot - WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH PvE Tiger!
Daesu
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You seriously do not want to turn this into WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA PvP WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH PvE!
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The introduction of zkeys (not XTH) caused more harm than good as is evident in this thread.
capashen
a lot of people comlaining about "lazy people" ... what's the problem if i have 3 accounts and you just one?
i hope XTh will come back soon
i hope XTh will come back soon
lemming
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For players that are like me and have done all there is to do in Guild Wars... it provides a valuable source of well needed monthly virtual "income".
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Go make some money instead of whining for handouts.
Sookie
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And in a cruel twist of incredible irony, the first month I made my predictions was May......thats right the month it crashed -_-.....why me? Lol
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Akaraxle
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Why the hell should PvPers have access to PvE rewards without ever stepping into PvE?
And not only that, PvPers also have the opportunity to completely bypass the supply - being able to craft PvE rewards in stats that are available AND in stats that are NOT available to PvE-ers! |
Also, there is one very important detail you're missing: red items are bound to that particular character. The only thing they do is make you look good in observer mode; they can't be turned into PvE gold, they don't influence the market whatsoever, they don't provide everything a PvEer can get.
With the introduction of zkeys, this concept fell apart.
upier
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Do you have any idea how the RP system initially worked? There was no way you could rare skins unless you were somewhat good at the game, because you needed to unlock the lower tiers first and the only way you could win RPs was through tournaments.
Also, there is one very important detail you're missing: red items are bound to that particular character. The only thing they do is make you look good in observer mode; they can't be turned into PvE gold, they don't influence the market whatsoever, they don't provide everything a PvEer can get. With the introduction of zkeys, this concept fell apart. |
If a PvE players REFUSES to get to Cavalon - he can NOT buy that set.
And I don't mean "can not buy it" because it's insanely overpriced. I mean that as in
HE.CAN.NOT.GET.IT.
What you are basically saying is that if one makes the Phoenix emote available through PvE that will not have ANY kind of an effect on this game as long as only a select few PvE players can obtain it.
Yes?
ajc2123
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The XHT is crap. The welfare system of GW. It rewards tards who buy multiple accounts which the regular gamer with one account cant complete with, there for it needs to go away forever.
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Honestly if they are willing to pay more money so they have a so called edge, why not. It's not like it is increasing their skill as a player. So they get a lil extra each month, big woop.
I myself often found that I forgot to make entries each month anyways, so it doesn't matter either way if it comes back to me. Although a solid "yes its coming back" or "no we gave up on it" would be nice.