Please share thoughts on the matter.
i find this funny the amount of people who have replied, considering i was bored when making this thread, but nice to see that not many people will be sad to see it go
Will nerfing SF really help anything to do with the game?
killerbot3009
I belive that by nerfing SF, there will simply be a stupid inflation in Ectos/Shards prices. It will also make the HoM monuments for Elite areas a lot harder to get, due to the skill required to clear such areas.
Please share thoughts on the matter.
i find this funny the amount of people who have replied, considering i was bored when making this thread, but nice to see that not many people will be sad to see it go
Please share thoughts on the matter.
i find this funny the amount of people who have replied, considering i was bored when making this thread, but nice to see that not many people will be sad to see it go
Windf0rce
I never had a problem with Shadow Form allowing easy farming, even though I don't farm myself, I have no issues with people being able to do it - it actually benefits me in that most stuff becomes cheaper and more attainable, I think...
However things started getting out of hand with SF running or speed clears, I don't like the way it affects regular teaming just like Ursan did - it is just everywhere.
It is really difficult to find a regular 'balanced' team to clear FoW or UW at ToA. This bothers me because I actually enjoy playing with people, and I don't enjoy farming, so I'd like that to change.
However things started getting out of hand with SF running or speed clears, I don't like the way it affects regular teaming just like Ursan did - it is just everywhere.
It is really difficult to find a regular 'balanced' team to clear FoW or UW at ToA. This bothers me because I actually enjoy playing with people, and I don't enjoy farming, so I'd like that to change.
gw_poster
hmm, high ecto and shard prices - as well as actually having to TRY at obtaining 'elite' trophies for HoM?!
I believe that was the original intent of such sought-after collectible materials and a full HoM...and I also believe that's exactly why SF should be nerfed
I believe that was the original intent of such sought-after collectible materials and a full HoM...and I also believe that's exactly why SF should be nerfed
ogre_jd
Eh. Nothing'll change, really, as far as the long run goes. The farmers and clearers'll just move on to the next most efficient build/team they can find so they can keep grinding, same as they did after Ursan Blessing was altered.
Kook~NBK~
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Originally Posted by killerbot3009
I belive that by nerfing SF, there will simply be a stupid inflation in Ectos/Shards prices. It will also make the HoM monuments for Elite areas a lot harder to get, due to the skill required to clear such areas.
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Yes, the Elite areas will be harder to get - they should be hard to get. But in no way is SF "required" to clear them.
Xenex Xclame
Yes it will change a lott, to start people looking for "normal" teams will be able to get a group again.
Secondly it will make people go back to actually playing the game,SF is invinsible plain and simple and takes no skill,no matter what the people that want to defend SF say about it reguiring skill and how you can stil die and junk like that.
When they nerf SF FoW and UW clearing time will be much less then what it used to be before SF,2 hours for example for FoW most likely will be done regularly in 1 hour.
People might replace the SF with a obsidian flesh earth ele with armor of earth and stoneflesh, and then you bassicly have something close to SF,except as you could see, it will go slower.The 100B wars that spray numbers with mark of pain,will most likely remain almost unchanged,it works so theres no reason to dump it.
So yes it will change things, it will make things go slower,which is one of the big problems with SF being that it makes the clear way too fast.Most likely other classes that do not have a spot in SC will most likely be able to get a group easier, people will try to "improve" the build.
Secondly it will make people go back to actually playing the game,SF is invinsible plain and simple and takes no skill,no matter what the people that want to defend SF say about it reguiring skill and how you can stil die and junk like that.
When they nerf SF FoW and UW clearing time will be much less then what it used to be before SF,2 hours for example for FoW most likely will be done regularly in 1 hour.
People might replace the SF with a obsidian flesh earth ele with armor of earth and stoneflesh, and then you bassicly have something close to SF,except as you could see, it will go slower.The 100B wars that spray numbers with mark of pain,will most likely remain almost unchanged,it works so theres no reason to dump it.
So yes it will change things, it will make things go slower,which is one of the big problems with SF being that it makes the clear way too fast.Most likely other classes that do not have a spot in SC will most likely be able to get a group easier, people will try to "improve" the build.
Shayne Hawke
Destroying SF will rock GW for a little while, but I'm sure that players will find something else to do after it's rendered less effective.
Eragon Zarroc
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. Meh at the ectos & shards inflation. It will make the rich richer i suppose, but there wouldn't be as many ectos on the market today if SF hadn't been allowed to propogate for so long. meh, who knows when it comes to our economy. *sigh*
King_GhOsT
elite areas are still easy to clear without SF, I do it with 3 guildies and the rest heros (no sins) and we still roll through it (still takes like 2 hours, but I don't mind spending time actcually playing that game with friends
SkekSister
Will it help the game. No, probably not. It will drive away a chunk of an already diminishing user base and make the elite areas far less used. It will drive up prices of luxury items for the poor and inflate the value of goods held by the rich.
I'm not arguing the right or wrong of SF from a balance/mechanics/game economy point of view here, just stating what I believe the outcome of a nerf to it would be. No doubt others will disagree.
I'm not arguing the right or wrong of SF from a balance/mechanics/game economy point of view here, just stating what I believe the outcome of a nerf to it would be. No doubt others will disagree.
Darkobra
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Eragon Selene
I belived long ago it should have been nerf'd when they nerf'd Ursan. I have a perma sin but rarely use him, I find him boaring. I prefer to play the game with a "team".
Atleast with Ursan you went into elite areas as a "team", Ursan just dumb'd it down some, put all classes on a semi even playing field, and made Elite areas faster.
I argued this point long ago that SF would impact the IG economy more the Ursan ever had............and it has with its 7min UWSC's and hords of ecto farmer's.
So what if ectos go back to 10kea? Whats the big deal with that? God forbid you have to earn your titles and FoW Armor instead of letting a runner do it for you.
Please nerf SF
P.S dont forget UWSC's were done in 30-40min before Perma sins with Terra Tanks and a core group. So delite your sin and make an Ele, that still works.
Atleast with Ursan you went into elite areas as a "team", Ursan just dumb'd it down some, put all classes on a semi even playing field, and made Elite areas faster.
I argued this point long ago that SF would impact the IG economy more the Ursan ever had............and it has with its 7min UWSC's and hords of ecto farmer's.
So what if ectos go back to 10kea? Whats the big deal with that? God forbid you have to earn your titles and FoW Armor instead of letting a runner do it for you.
Please nerf SF
P.S dont forget UWSC's were done in 30-40min before Perma sins with Terra Tanks and a core group. So delite your sin and make an Ele, that still works.
riktw
nerfing SF wont help.
imho its possible to do 30 min or faster UWSC without SF.
i am making monk/ele builds for it atm and tested a couple already.
should be possible, now i just need another 7 people to test it with me haha
so they should nerf 55HP, terra tanks and 600HP before UWSC is not possible anymore.
imho its possible to do 30 min or faster UWSC without SF.
i am making monk/ele builds for it atm and tested a couple already.
should be possible, now i just need another 7 people to test it with me haha
so they should nerf 55HP, terra tanks and 600HP before UWSC is not possible anymore.
Xsiriss
Not now, the damage has been done. Same situ with Z-keys. They need to make dungeons more appealing (ie 10x as much loot...) and un-runnable too.
Hantex Brinx
I cant believe ppl really think that sf nerfing will make pugging easier...
Strawberry_Lilly
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I never had a problem with Shadow Form allowing easy farming, even though I don't farm myself, I have no issues with people being able to do it - it actually benefits me in that most stuff becomes cheaper and more attainable, I think...
However things started getting out of hand with SF running or speed clears, I don't like the way it affects regular teaming just like Ursan did - it is just everywhere. It is really difficult to find a regular 'balanced' team to clear FoW or UW at ToA. This bothers me because I actually enjoy playing with people, and I don't enjoy farming, so I'd like that to change. |
Atro
imho, i dont think nerfing SF will do anything major or anything close to major to the economy. For speedclears the time will be 5-10minutes more, for running there's still warriors, ranger, dervishes, most any profession can run.
Also, the people that argue whether it will bring back "balanced" teams , I dont think it will, If they do nerf SF that high end speedclear guilds are just gonna make some other speedclear build and use it and will eventually release it into the community again.
Also, the people that argue whether it will bring back "balanced" teams , I dont think it will, If they do nerf SF that high end speedclear guilds are just gonna make some other speedclear build and use it and will eventually release it into the community again.
Reformed
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I cant believe ppl really think that sf nerfing will make pugging easier...
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Evil Eye
Who the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO gives a shit if some area in pve should be hard to clear if you want some thing challenging go gvg with honorbalance.
Roy_
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hmm, high ecto and shard prices - as well as actually having to TRY at obtaining 'elite' trophies for HoM?!
I believe that was the original intent of such sought-after collectible materials and a full HoM...and I also believe that's exactly why SF should be nerfed |
slowerpoke
sometimes the pot must be stirred to prevent stagnation
Tenebrae
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Not now, the damage has been done. Same situ with Z-keys. They need to make dungeons more appealing (ie 10x as much loot...) and un-runnable too.
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own age myname
Probably not. There will be other gimmicks to follow.
Braxton619
No it will not. There is still 600/smite that still tops all of farming.
I use perma and its great... nerfing SF will not help the game... it will make a lot of people leave which is less sells for GW2.
I use perma and its great... nerfing SF will not help the game... it will make a lot of people leave which is less sells for GW2.
Hantex Brinx
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Those same people seem to think with SF out of the way they will be able to run whatever shitter build they want in PuGs call it "balanced" and achieve similar results. Unfortunately for them so long as superior alternatives exist that will never ever happen. Ironic too that this same crowd complains about being forced to play a certain way while demanding that others change their play style to accommodate them. SF is broken sure, but enough already.
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Chico
SF nerf = some people quit, some people rage, everybody moves on
Achrr The Archer
SF doesn't bother me one bit. I don't even have an assasin charecter and never plan to, but I sure as hell run that Vale Necro or UA monk. Gives me something to do when there's not a group forming for something else in the meantime. I say it's not hurting anything, and let it be. People are just going to move onto the next big thing.
moriz
will it help the game at this point? not really. however, that is irrelevant. no online game, especially one that claims to be a competitive RPG, should EVER have a godmode option. for that reason alone, SF deserves to die.
AlsPals
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Not now, the damage has been done. Same situ with Z-keys. They need to make dungeons more appealing (ie 10x as much loot...) and un-runnable too.
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Xo Twinblade
I think it should be nerfed to the point where you can only run perma as a/e and with cons.
so you can still use it but it just wont be overpowered.
so you can still use it but it just wont be overpowered.
tw1tchdp
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sometimes the pot must be stirred to prevent stagnation
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obsidian ectoplasm
Bring back Ursan please.
own age myname
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Bring back Ursan please.
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Camdo
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Bring back Ursan please.
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Reformed
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Ursan at least didn't have class discrimination.
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own age myname
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Where were you? Towards the end all groups were demanding either W/Me mantras or Eles with prismatic. This was after everyone realized that even godawful players could farm Path to Revelations and meet the rank requirement.
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upier
Meh, just today I hopped onto my para, aggored half the map, and let my buddies take everything down as we took next to 0 damage.
SF what?
SF what?
Taco Fiend Taco
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I cant believe ppl really think that sf nerfing will make pugging easier...
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QueenofDeath
When SF exploit farming is gone my stacks of ectos will buy me a lot more stuff and as George Carlin said we can never have enough stuff. ) It will be nice to see ecto prices go back up to 8k-9k or more again. )
) It will be nice to see ecto prices go back up to 8k-9k or more again. )
tw1tchdp
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Where were you? Towards the end all groups were demanding either W/Me mantras or Eles with prismatic. This was after everyone realized that even godawful players could farm Path to Revelations and meet the rank requirement.
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