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Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

10 Nov 2009 at 15:48 - 241

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cracko

Great, I've only gotten it on one character

You got the quest on one character.
Rejoice! You didn't completely screw yourself.

So you don't get to repeat it on other characters. Big deal - it's not as if the quest rewards are mini Kanaxai's. Some gold, XP,and a scroll are hardly worth throwing your toys out of the pram... and if you wanted ToT bags you would have farmed a dozen stacks of them over Halloween, and repeated the 4th quest for several more stacks... making the 100 ToT bags from the 5th quest pretty insignificant.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cracko

where did it say he would be leaving "shortly"?

The Steward himself said it when he gave you the last quest. Mad King has left for the year, Steward must follow him. A nano-second of thought at that time, and you might have concluded that: "since I don't know how long the Steward will remain, I'd better take the quest on every character I can".

Cracko

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

10 Nov 2009 at 15:57 - 242

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hissy

You got the quest on one character.
Rejoice! You didn't completely screw yourself.

So you don't get to repeat it on other characters. Big deal - it's not as if the quest rewards are mini Kanaxai's. Some gold, XP,and a scroll are hardly worth throwing your toys out of the pram... and if you wanted ToT bags you would have farmed a dozen stacks of them over Halloween, and repeated the 4th quest for several more stacks... making the 100 ToT bags from the 5th quest pretty insignificant.

The Steward himself said it when he gave you the last quest. Mad King has left for the year, Steward must follow him. A nano-second of thought at that time, and you might have concluded that: "since I don't know how long the Steward will remain, I'd better take the quest on every character I can".

me and a lot of people would think he would just stay there till some time after the update comes out, but failure to communicate = win.

Chico

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

10 Nov 2009 at 15:59 - 243

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hissy

The Steward himself said it when he gave you the last quest. Mad King has left for the year, Steward must follow him. A nano-second of thought at that time, and you might have concluded that: "since I don't know how long the Steward will remain, I'd better take the quest on every character I can".

If you didn't visit LA after the halloween finale, how would you have known a Steward was still there and already know that he offered a new quest and know that he would leave "shortly"?

This is clearly a goof up.

buzzerman

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

10 Nov 2009 at 16:03 - 244

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hissy

Everyone who was aware of Halloween (and Halloween was announced in the login messages), should have been able to stumble across the Mad King's Steward, with the big exclamation mark over his head. And take quests accordingly.

Not true, as far as I can tell this particular quest was not offered as part of the Halloween events but only much later, without prior notice, after the regular Halloween party events/quests had already ended.

I am displeased with the way Anet handled this, as I am now one of those who missed this apparently major new quest (and thus the new (?) content) just because I took a few days break right after the Halloween party..

IlikeGW

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

10 Nov 2009 at 17:38 - 245

I didn't notice the Regina comment for several days either. Lucky to get it on my characters... but why they've stopped using their brains and doing things civilly like using the announcement system to explain to people to get the quest... I just don't know. Maybe they need a vacation, or brain surgery.

smilingscar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Frontline Legion

Me/

10 Nov 2009 at 18:12 - 246

Honestly people.

-It was in the quest dialog.
-It was on the official updates page.
-It was on the wiki.
-It was on the forum.
-I assume guilds other than mine posted it as an announcement as well.

Dhuum is most likely being implemented to counter uwsc, you will get to fight him (if you wish) without this quest. All that you will miss out on are the quest rewards, which you could earn faster by farming anyway.

IlikeGW

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

10 Nov 2009 at 19:31 - 247

"* The Mad King's Steward will soon depart to serve his master, but he has one last word for all the brave souls willing to join the battle against Dhuum's minions."

That's not the same as saying "Take the quest now, because when the quest is actually doable, you won't be able to take it." Regina only posted that on a journal and as a single sentence on a forum, both things no player should expect to be the official news source. It would have taken all of 3 seconds to write in on the website and in-game. Oh well. As I said I luckily, finally noticed that... but I expect the amount of people who don't play the game anymore and figured why log-in to just get the quest a bunch of times, I'll do it when the quest actually works... is going to be large.

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

10 Nov 2009 at 19:38 - 248

Quote:

Originally Posted by smilingscar

Honestly people.

-It was in the quest dialog.
-It was on the official updates page.
-It was on the wiki.
-It was on the forum.
-I assume guilds other than mine posted it as an announcement as well.

Dhuum is most likely being implemented to counter uwsc, you will get to fight him (if you wish) without this quest. All that you will miss out on are the quest rewards, which you could earn faster by farming anyway.

That's my bet. You probably get the 5k for nothing.

smilingscar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Frontline Legion

Me/

10 Nov 2009 at 20:02 - 249

Quote:

Originally Posted by IlikeGW

"* The Mad King's Steward will soon depart to serve his master, but he has one last word for all the brave souls willing to join the battle against Dhuum's minions."

That's not the same as saying "Take the quest now, because when the quest is actually doable, you won't be able to take it."

True, but I think anyone who has played this game for any length of time knows that if you want to do a quest, you need to obtain it on that specific character. I think people also understand that quests come from a quest-giver, and if you take that npc away the quest can no longer be obtained. That’s how quests work. If they bothered to actually read what the Steward said, they would understand that he was leaving quite shortly.

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I expect the amount of people who don't play the game anymore and figured why log-in to just get the quest a bunch of times, I'll do it when the quest actually works... is going to be large.

The quest was working, it was available. If the quest hadn’t been working, it would have been unavailable. The real problem stems from people jumping to conclusions and automatically assuming that the quest is broken. Also, why are you basing the success of communication on people who don’t play the game anymore? To expect them to as well informed as people who are active players is too much.

I just can’t comprehend how someone could not follow this thought process: “if this npc is offering a quest today and will be gone soon, I better get this quest now.” How do you expect to complete a quest on a character which doesn’t have it in their log? Honestly, If people didn’t care enough to actually log in and read the quest dialog (and comprehend it), then they shouldn’t care that much about the quest reward.

Also, has there ever been a single quest that has been put on the log-in screen? I don’t think there has been (at least I can’t remember one). Why would anyone expect to get news about this from there then?

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

10 Nov 2009 at 20:45 - 250

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hissy

You got the quest on one character.
Rejoice! You didn't completely screw yourself.

So you don't get to repeat it on other characters. Big deal - it's not as if the quest rewards are mini Kanaxai's. Some gold, XP,and a scroll are hardly worth throwing your toys out of the pram... and if you wanted ToT bags you would have farmed a dozen stacks of them over Halloween, and repeated the 4th quest for several more stacks... making the 100 ToT bags from the 5th quest pretty insignificant.

The Steward himself said it when he gave you the last quest. Mad King has left for the year, Steward must follow him. A nano-second of thought at that time, and you might have concluded that: "since I don't know how long the Steward will remain, I'd better take the quest on every character I can".

Thank you.

Elrahir

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2008

Europe

[DVDF]

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10 Nov 2009 at 20:54 - 251

I wonder why Anet doesn't use the Announce box on the log-in screen for this kind of information, instead of old warning for gold sellers etc..

I mean, how many people reads Regina's journal or extremely slow load Guru anyway? Very few. It's not like the content updates are overwhelming.. they could actually use this Announcement box once in a while to inform people what's going on in-game, not only weekend events, especially when it's about one of the only content updates this year.

I, together with some of you other, were clever enough to pick up quest on all chars before the stewards disappeared, but I'm sure many people missed it. They could have specified somewhere when he was gonna be removed and announced it on log-in screen at least a day or so in advance, especially since the stewards have been there a while now and kept appearing and disappearing.

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Originally Posted by Jaskaran

i hope the boss is a giant level: 38 with 3000 hp and infinite energy.. that way it will be almost impossible to solo and you will need to form a party of 12 which has never been in the game and would be very cool...

3000 hp? Pfff... That would be lame...

Rotscale has like 20,000hp... Dhuum should have at least 50k hp

Ghost Dog

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

W/

10 Nov 2009 at 21:09 - 252

I barely even play this game any more and I managed to get the quest.

Maybe people should read instead of CLICK CLICK CLICK LETS GO!

Reformed

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2009

10 Nov 2009 at 21:10 - 253

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Originally Posted by Elrahir

Dhuum should have at least 50k hp

The old Duncan had about that much. The 115 or so from Spoil Victor barely made his bar move...like cutting down a tree with a butter knife. Not really difficult or fun to beat away that much hp just tedious.

Kerwyn Nasilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2007

WHERE DO YOU THINK

W/

10 Nov 2009 at 21:16 - 254

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Originally Posted by Cluebag

Wow. Just wow.

I'm having a hard time trying to come up with words to express my disbelief here. I've witnessed some pretty stupid ass things in my lifetime, things that are beyond comprehension, and it never ceases to amaze me how a seemingly not-complex evolution becomes this abortionized mess, complete with football bats and flipper-armed flailing about and otherwise full speed ahead RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOery.

For a "one time only" holiday quest to get delayed is one thing. To have the npc quest giver come and go and come and go and come and go is another. To have a warning on some wiki journal that only a smattering of people pay any attention to is another issue. The fact that the warning was some sort of incredulous quasi info stating "oh yeah, btw, yeahhh, that quest you were trying to knock out, yeahhh, that quest will available some time in the future (like the xth return) so... go ahead and take that quest now because, like, um, yeahhh, that npc has to go away and you won't be able to take the quest later... yeahhh". Because that makes complete sense, taking a quest days in advance because the npc is going to be removed from the game, for a (delayed) one-time quest that allegedly will become active some day, eventually...

/double thumbs up

/crackpipe

Wow.

Yeah when a quest in an MMO can't be gotten anymore you KNOW the human race is completely doomed. GW is srsbznz after all.

Another Felldspar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

Alchemy Incorporated

Mo/E

10 Nov 2009 at 21:48 - 255

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chico

If you didn't visit LA after the halloween finale, how would you have known a Steward was still there and already know that he offered a new quest and know that he would leave "shortly"?

This is clearly a goof up.

How do you ever know anything about a quest? Let's see... The player sees a big green exclamation point and clicks on the person (or sometimes object) and quest dialog appears. The quest dialog gives the player details about about the quest and tells the player, in a general fashion, what they need to do to complete the quest. In this instance a part of that quest dialog was that The Mad King's Steward would soon be departing. Hmmm... Maybe that means he'll leave. Soon. Or something like that.

In the meantime Regina's journal has said since Nov. 5 that The Mad King's Steward would be leaving. Soon. That could mean that he really is going to leave. Soon.

Clearly there is a goof-up involved for anyone who is now bitching that they didn't get the quest, or get it on as many characters as they would have liked. But the goof up is the player's, not A-Net's. A-net communicated the intent to remove the Steward perfectly well.

I don't know how much more clear Regina could have possibly been -- this is copied directly from her journal:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina

The Mad King's Steward is offering a new quest today, but he will not remain in Lion's Arch and Kamadan for too long, so if you're willing to answer the call to arms against Dhuum, you will need to speak to him while he's there. After he's gone, you won't be able to accept that quest.
Please also note that the "waiting" referenced in the quest text is not a matter of hours, but days.

She not only clearly says that you can't get the quest once he's gone, but she also specifies that it will be only a matter of days, not hours, not weeks, not months, that he will be available.

Reading is FUNdamental.

own age myname

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Minnesota

[TAS]

R/

10 Nov 2009 at 22:30 - 256

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayelet Feldspar

-snip-

You don't get the point.

HOW MANY PEOPLE CHECK OUT REGINA'S JOURNAL?

Oh wait, only the kiss asses and a few stray people checking for info. They could of just put it as an announcement. Problem solved.

Jensy

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2007

Phoenix, Arizona

Blinkie Ponie Armie [bpa]

N/Mo

10 Nov 2009 at 22:32 - 257

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayelet Feldspar

She not only clearly says that you can't get the quest once he's gone, but she also specifies that it will be only a matter of days, not hours, not weeks, not months, that he will be available.

Reading is FUNdamental.

This. Blaming anet because you can't be arsed to find information = fail. Claiming that they should have put it into the login box because you're too lazy to read websites/forums (though, clearly, you're reading NOW, so...) = fail.

This thread has spiraled into so much fail, that the only wise thing to do at this point is 'close thread' -_-

Fay Vert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/

10 Nov 2009 at 22:45 - 258

I wonder how many casual players who log in once or twice a week completely missed this opportunity. Especially since they probably logged on more than normal for the haloween event anyway, which ended before this popped up.

As far as I know, this was not posted on any official notice, just forums and wiki chat, so yes, they could have done more here, there was no real atempt to let the player abse know of this.

Another Felldspar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

Alchemy Incorporated

Mo/E

10 Nov 2009 at 22:50 - 259

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fay Vert

I wonder how many casual players who log in once or twice a week completely missed this opportunity. Especially since they probably logged on more than normal for the haloween event anyway, which ended before this popped up.

As far as I know, this was not posted on any official notice, just forums and wiki chat, so yes, they could have done more here, there was no real atempt to let the player abse know of this.

There was a build for God's sake -- a build that had update notes that told players that the Steward had returned to Lion's Arch and Kamadan. Surely that would be a clue to go and see him.

I don't understand why people believe that there should have been a log-in announcement for a quest that is only available in 2 of the 3 chapters. It doesn't make sense.

P_A_A

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

Me/

10 Nov 2009 at 22:51 - 260

Quest has been available for about a week. If you log twice a week you should have been able to get it.

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

10 Nov 2009 at 22:58 - 261

Quote:

Originally Posted by own age myname

You don't get the point.

HOW MANY PEOPLE CHECK OUT REGINA'S JOURNAL?

Oh wait, only the kiss asses and a few stray people checking for info. They could of just put it as an announcement. Problem solved.

It was listed in more than just her journal. The November 5th game update on the website had some info on it as well.

Quote:

Halloween 2009
The Mad King's Steward will soon depart to serve his master, but he has one last word for all the brave souls willing to join the battle against Dhuum's minions.

Sure it wasn't a dead giveaway, but Anet doesn't publicly release the location of the Traveler every Monday either.

If people didn't see any of this information online, they could have also heard from it while in the game from players (all chat, guild chat, alliance chat).

Sir Cusfreak

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

In your backline

No Tags [NONE]

10 Nov 2009 at 22:59 - 262

Regina's journal wasn't the only place to find it out, even.
ol' "Mad King Stewart" himself said he'd be going away soon.

UPDATE NOTES ftw.

When they say "he has a final word" maybe you shud go takl 2 da guy

The login announcement has NEVER been used to explain the details of one quest. Why would they start that now? It's dumb. That isnt what login announcements are for. There is more to the game than PvE questing, especially a quest that isnt even available in all campaigns. PvP'ers or factions-only folk need to see this on the login why?
These are the same people that were in town asking "wen da mad king come?' how much lnger???" 'cause they dont bother to check - the same folk I personally had crowded around the reaper for, "Six minutes - you said it starts in six minutes like 40 mins ago" the day the waiting game opened.

Read up, chum. (p)s

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

10 Nov 2009 at 23:00 - 263

Quote:

Originally Posted by own age myname

You don't get the point.

HOW MANY PEOPLE CHECK OUT REGINA'S JOURNAL?

Oh wait, only the kiss asses and a few stray people checking for info. They could of just put it as an announcement. Problem solved.

I don't check out Regina's journal - don't even know where to find it. But I do keep up with things here on GW Guru, and I read the info given on the quest log, especially when it's a new quest, a quest that will only be available for a limited time, and a quest that's involved in out of the ordinary circumstances. And you know what? I knew that the Mad King's Steward wouldn't be sticking around for very long - the Mad King's invisible pony won't be grooming itself! Sometimes it pays off to not skip the text and go straight for the quest reward info.

As for the idea of putting something on the log-in screen: Experience teaches that there are tons of people who can't be bothered to read the announcements. The evidence for this is the QQ that pops up here and in-game because "no one told me!" when it was right there on the log-in screen to look at.

But a bigger part of the problem is that there are a lot of people here that are opting to assume that announcements - where ever they appear - say what they want the announcement to say. It's a lot less work than actually applying reading comprehension skills to what they're reading, and then appying common sense to gain the most benefit from what is offered.

Yes, A-Net made mistakes with this quest chain, but most of the misery that people are experiencing over this thing is self-inflicted.

Maker of the fallen

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2008

Epic

W/E

10 Nov 2009 at 23:13 - 264

lol I love how the people saying they had no clue about the quest, are well aware that he is gone already. Not to mention, they are complaining on one of the many places they could have found it. Ironic lolz

They told us, you didn't listen, don't blame them, 5k+100tot bags isn't worth the WaWaWa effort.

Fay Vert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/

10 Nov 2009 at 23:17 - 265

Quote:

Originally Posted by P_A_A

Quest has been available for about a week. If you log twice a week you should have been able to get it.

More like four days actually, easily missed by many people.

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

10 Nov 2009 at 23:26 - 266

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fay Vert

I wonder how many casual players who log in once or twice a week completely missed this opportunity. Especially since they probably logged on more than normal for the haloween event anyway, which ended before this popped up.

As far as I know, this was not posted on any official notice, just forums and wiki chat, so yes, they could have done more here, there was no real atempt to let the player abse know of this.

How do they find out about stuff normally? If you don't care enough to take the 5 seconds to type /wiki after you see your game update to see if anything interesting changed (like, say, a quest NPC returned to town...), I don't see how you can blame ANet for not informing you about goings-on in GW. The official wiki is the primary source of information from the devs, and it's been that way for years now; it's time people got used to that. It's way easier to update a wiki page than it is the log-in announcements...not that people actually read the log-in announcements anyway.

Oh, and anyone with their panties up in a bunch about this who's even a moderately regular poster on this or any other forum is a bloody moron. You knew about the quest, you know where to get information about the quest, and you surely should have known that the quest giver was leaving "soon". If that didn't scream "get this quest now" to you, you deserve to miss the quest.

IlikeGW

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

10 Nov 2009 at 23:34 - 267

"The official wiki is the primary source of information from the devs"

They've never used the wiki to explain how an event works or the requirements of taking a part in one. Understandably so, that would be pointless. They have a website which serves the purpose when they use the update notes properly, which they did before this. That they can't be arsed to do that right anymore speaks volumes for where GW1 is while they work on GW2.

Fay Vert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/

11 Nov 2009 at 00:05 - 268

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

How do they find out about stuff normally? If you don't care enough to take the 5 seconds to type /wiki after you see your game update to see if anything interesting changed (like, say, a quest NPC returned to town...), I don't see how you can blame ANet for not informing you about goings-on in GW. The official wiki is the primary source of information from the devs, and it's been that way for years now; it's time people got used to that. It's way easier to update a wiki page than it is the log-in announcements...not that people actually read the log-in announcements anyway.

Oh, and anyone with their panties up in a bunch about this who's even a moderately regular poster on this or any other forum is a bloody moron. You knew about the quest, you know where to get information about the quest, and you surely should have known that the quest giver was leaving "soon". If that didn't scream "get this quest now" to you, you deserve to miss the quest.

News flash for you

I GOT THE QUEST, I AM ALRIGHT

Why is the community turning so damned selfish, why can't anyone think about anything but themselves for once? Why can't you get it that the VAST majority of players simply play the game and doesn't have time to follow the wiki/forums. How does a NORMAL player get to find out about this. This was a Haloween quest that didn't appear until after the event had ended and was then removed shortly afterwards.

Why can't you get this? Too damned selfish is why.

own age myname

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Minnesota

[TAS]

R/

11 Nov 2009 at 00:16 - 269

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fay Vert

News flash for you

I GOT THE QUEST, I AM ALRIGHT

Why is the community turning so damned selfish, why can't anyone think about anything but themselves for once? Why can't you get it that the VAST majority of players simply play the game and doesn't have time to follow the wiki/forums. How does a NORMAL player get to find out about this. This was a Haloween quest that didn't appear until after the event had ended and was then removed shortly afterwards.

Why can't you get this? Too damned selfish is why.

I was about to type something like this, but Fay summed up what I think. Good post.

Reflect

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2007

Varna,Bulgaria

Glob Of Ectospasm [GoE]

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11 Nov 2009 at 00:17 - 270

1st fail:The Quest was supposed for halloween, not week after that.
2nd fail:No Literal mentioning that the npc will be removed, before we can do its quest..it should have be announced with the update.
3rd fail:Anet refuse to say they made a mistake and learn from it.

smilingscar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Frontline Legion

Me/

11 Nov 2009 at 00:42 - 271

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Why is the community turning so damned selfish, why can't anyone think about anything but themselves for once? Why can't you get it that the VAST majority of players simply play the game and doesn't have time to follow the wiki/forums. How does a NORMAL player get to find out about this. This was a Haloween quest that didn't appear until after the event had ended and was then removed shortly afterwards.

Why can't you get this? Too damned selfish is why.

No we are not too selfish. I, for one, understand that probably a lot of people did not get this quest. I simply happen to think it does not matter whether anyone gets the quest. It's one quest. Most likely, the content from the quest (fighting Dhuum) will be available without the quest to prevent uwsc. Thus for the casual gamer who isn't going to cry about missing some ToT bags, this quest probably means nothing.

Remember how, when they describe GW2, they said they wanted to introduce event system where new quests/challenges would suddenly happen in the world/instance? Remember how cool that sounded? This is it.

I have some sympathy for the casual gamer who missed this, but if they're really a casual gamer they won't care that much because, well, they aren't into the game to be more than casual. I have no sympathy for anyone on guru because they should know how to get information if they want it.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

11 Nov 2009 at 00:54 - 272

Anyone defending Anet's incredible lack of communication in this matter is pretty retarded. Even Blizzard is more open about their plans and mistakes than this, and that's saying a lot.

Anduin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Ice Dragon Berserker Lodge

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11 Nov 2009 at 00:55 - 273

Quote:

Originally Posted by smilingscar

Remember how, when they describe GW2, they said they wanted to introduce event system where new quests/challenges would suddenly happen in the world/instance? Remember how cool that sounded? This is it.

Actually, that doesn't sound cool to me at all. As a "completist", I like doing absolutely everything, so this is a nightmare to me, and another reason why I am not buying the sequel.

But, continue to feel free to speak for me, 'cause obviously you know me so well.

Kurald Galain

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

Fishermans Haven

[DVDF]

Mo/

11 Nov 2009 at 01:51 - 274

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anduin

Actually, that doesn't sound cool to me at all. As a "completist", I like doing absolutely everything, so this is a nightmare to me, and another reason why I am not buying the sequel.

But, continue to feel free to speak for me, 'cause obviously you know me so well.

I doubt those events will be one time only like this quest is... more like they happen every so often depending on how the players in a certain area act. That's how i understood it at least.

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

11 Nov 2009 at 02:12 - 275

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reflect

1st fail:The Quest was supposed for halloween, not week after that.

Source? The closest thing I see is from Regina's journal that mentions the Steward being pulled away on Nov. 2 and would return the next day. It says nothing that this wasn't designed for after the fact.

Quote:

2nd fail:No Literal mentioning that the npc will be removed, before we can do its quest..it should have be announced with the update.

"The Mad King's Steward will soon depart to serve his master, but he has one last word for all the brave souls willing to join the battle against Dhuum's minions." Regina also mentioned the waiting for the quest would be days. How much more literal can you get?

Quote:

3rd fail:Anet refuse to say they made a mistake and learn from it.

Until source is given for "1st fail", I don't see how this was a mistake.

Anyway, I can see I'm in the minority on this, so I'm done here, everybody enjoy your raging.

GloryFox

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Good ol' USA, where everyone else wants to be

Now Plays World of Warcraft on Whisperwind

11 Nov 2009 at 02:34 - 276

Gotta love how people devalue the threads into science court.

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posted by zelgadissan
Until source is given for "1st fail", I don't see how this was a mistake.

Res ipsa loquitur, is a valued form of evidence, "The thing speaks for itself."

If it looks like a Halloween quest, given as a Halloween quest, by a Halloween NPC, given as quest number 4 of a series of Halloween quests, it's probably a Halloween quest. This gives value to those upset that they cannot do the Halloween quest EVEN IF quest giver appeared after the end of Halloween.

On the face value of evidence, Reflect, has a valid point.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

11 Nov 2009 at 02:57 - 277

Given... after Halloween is already over.

And we have no proof that wasn't the plan all along.

Jaskaran

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

YOU PERV!!

Order Of The Unyeilding [Aura]

R/N

11 Nov 2009 at 03:06 - 278

i don't get it.... if Anet did mess up why don't they just quickly make a sloppy model for Dhuum, than edit the textures/models for any area.. and boom you have a shitty dhuum boss and quest.... literally if they just went with this way everyone would doubt they made a mistake..

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

11 Nov 2009 at 03:26 - 279

Exactly. There are 2 options here.

1) This is not a mistake and was planned to be this way all along.

2) This was an error and was supposed to be done sooner.
Of course... if it was in error and option 2) they could have done 2 options
a) Done what they've done now to ensure the final quest is working properly and is really kickass
b) Done a rush job and released something nobody would have liked

shoyon456

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

D/

11 Nov 2009 at 03:31 - 280

Its not so much whether or not the quest should have been done sooner or not or w/e. It's the lack of communication. The fact that they do not open a direct dialogue with players via the website and state their intentions and goals clearly for all has long been a problem with Anet.

The problem is
1) they only let people know via an obscure wiki page relatively little of the playerbase visits to get this quest while you can
2) they did not give specific dates upon each quest would be available, the last quest is only a huge exaggeration of this problem
3) we really don't know if any of these changes will be permanent, if it will just be a boss/quest with no new rewards, etc... they could surprise us with new rewards but frankly id like a candid answer and not a carrot-on-a-stick.