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Fay Vert

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08 Nov 2009 at 18:25 - 161

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Originally Posted by lorazcyk

Same thing with Guild Wars. We don't pay monthly fees. However anet is STILL giving us new things to do. They are doing things for us for free. And for that I can't thank them enough, even if they make mistakes once in awhile. (not saying they do or do not)

Clearly you are clueless. ANet is not a charity, it is a business. They do this for profit, it's called a business model. ANets's business model has changed over time, but make no mistake, it's a business.

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Originally Posted by N E D M

/clueless lol
you clearly have no idea what hardcore gw players are nor how many there are

Wrong here too. It is YOU who are clueless. Hardcore gamers are not the business model, you mean nothing, you don't support the company enough to make aniother game worth wile. It is the NON-hardcore players where the money comes from.

That aside, complaining about delay of this quest is really silly, the clue is in the name!

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

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08 Nov 2009 at 19:40 - 162

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Clearly you are clueless. ANet is not a charity, it is a business. They do this for profit, it's called a business model. ANets's business model has changed over time, but make no mistake, it's a business.

Thanking a business for giving you something you want for free is not the same as calling them a charity and kissing their feet. You can recognize that it's all part of their business model (which at this point amounts to "keep the fans happy enough that they'll buy GW2 when we're done with it") without being cynical and refusing to thank them for stuff you enjoy.

lorazcyk

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08 Nov 2009 at 19:51 - 163

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Clearly you are clueless. ANet is not a charity, it is a business. They do this for profit, it's called a business model. ANets's business model has changed over time, but make no mistake, it's a business.

Ofcourse they're not a charity, who said that? Ofcourse they need to profit from their products. One quest isn't what brings in new players. This quest is for the existing players, who, as you said, do not bring in more money to anet (but might with character slots, etc). So this quest in particular, is for the existing people, and was a nice thing for anet to do. And even before it's out, people are complaining. That's what we're discussing.

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Wrong here too. It is YOU who are clueless. Hardcore gamers are not the business model, you mean nothing, you don't support the company enough to make aniother game worth wile. It is the NON-hardcore players where the money comes from.

That's what I was saying. The new people are the ones who bring the most money to anet. But then again GW is so damn cheap now, I bet they're making the most money from storage and stylist.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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08 Nov 2009 at 20:13 - 164

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Wrong here too. It is YOU who are clueless. Hardcore gamers are not the business model, you mean nothing, you don't support the company enough to make aniother game worth wile. It is the NON-hardcore players where the money comes from.

Ummm... what? So, my $40 that I spent is worth less then the $40 somebody else spent to buy the game?

It doesn't matter how hardcore somebody. It doesn't matter how much somebody plays the game or not. A.net doesn't care from a buisness perspective if somebody plays non-stop or buys the game, plays it for 1 hour and quits. They already have your money either way. That's why GW is different from traditional MMOs. They don't have to add endless grind to maintain a player base, as they have no financial motivation to do so. This game doesn't care about time played. Just total numbers sold. And anybody who quits... has already bought the game. No one who has never heard of this game before is going to go "well they nerfed this skill/quest that I've never heard of for a game I've never played, I shouldn't buy it then."

Polgara Val

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

TSR

Mo/Me

08 Nov 2009 at 20:34 - 165

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

It doesn't matter how hardcore somebody. It doesn't matter how much somebody plays the game or not. A.net doesn't care from a buisness perspective if somebody plays non-stop or buys the game, plays it for 1 hour and quits. They already have your money either way. That's why GW is different from traditional MMOs. They don't have to add endless grind to maintain a player base, as they have no financial motivation to do so. This game doesn't care about time played.

I agree with most of what you say bar one thing, they need to maintain the players that already in place at the moment within GW 1. If they dont they lose a considerable amount of people who might buy GW 2 which means less profit for the company. People tend to forget how competitive the games industry is, its so easy for a GW player to put it down like you said after playing it for 1 hour and then never have an intrest in any future releases of the series.

Thats what they want mostly, to maintain the current player base by adding more content like the Halloween quests (example), whether it being hardcore or a passive player who plays GW every so often they need these people from a business and gaming perspective. Heres to more content please Anet!

Pol

Arachnephobia

Krytan Explorer

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Tyria

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08 Nov 2009 at 20:38 - 166

There's a reason why they call it "The Waiting Game".

My New Name

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

08 Nov 2009 at 20:43 - 167

so is it me or is UWSC dead now?
dont see any groups in ToA

dusanyu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

Illusion of skillz [Iz]

W/E

08 Nov 2009 at 22:17 - 168

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

The "waiting" won't be a matter of hours, but days... So don't stay up late tonight waiting for something to happen.

A net just won a boat load of icy points on this one single most epic thing done in game ever!

we may need a Pampers merchant in TOA over this one

Fay Vert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

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08 Nov 2009 at 23:10 - 169

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

It doesn't matter how hardcore somebody. It doesn't matter how much somebody plays the game or not.

What I meant was, there simply are not enough "hardcore" gamers to make enough money. ANet needs the hundreds-of-thousands of casual players more than it needs the hundreds of hardcore players.

Elrahir

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Europe

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08 Nov 2009 at 23:16 - 170

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Originally Posted by Arachnephobia

There's a reason why they call it "The Waiting Game".

I hope you're not that ignorant to think it was supposed to be like this. It's beyond any doubts that the quest should have been up long ago.

I'm not mad or QQ-ing about it tho, doesn't really bother me much, I'm just stating the obvious.

Kerwyn Nasilan

Forge Runner

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WHERE DO YOU THINK

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08 Nov 2009 at 23:34 - 171

So many sad QQ in this thread, in the words of Tallahassee "Nut up, or shut up".

The quest will be here when it gets here ANet doesn't "owe" it to you, maybe it should have been up for Halloween, but it wasn't and your complaints won't speed it up.

Oh and farms die, get over it to anyone complaining about UWSC, go find the next big things to fill your pixel coffers.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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09 Nov 2009 at 02:06 - 172

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

What I meant was, there simply are not enough "hardcore" gamers to make enough money. ANet needs the hundreds-of-thousands of casual players more than it needs the hundreds of hardcore players.

And anybody who quits a game because a single Halloween quest is ambiguous is not casual and takes this game way to seriously.

Which, I'm glad you agree with Fay.

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

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09 Nov 2009 at 03:38 - 173

As a hardcore player who now plays casually I do find very frustrating as this is Limited new content and they don't give me any idea when it will be available. I find myself checking the forums daily just to see if this waiting game is over or not. I would really like to know when it will be available, and how long will the window stay open. And I understand that they don't owe me anything, until they open their mouth and make promises. If they said they are going to do something, they ether going to do it, give good reason why they can't any longer, or take a credibility hit. With what appears to be only 2 3-4 month content updates for 2009 and a broken quest chain, they are choosing option c, and making me think i should look for greener pastures.

Divine Ashes

Wilds Pathfinder

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Chicago

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09 Nov 2009 at 05:24 - 174

There was a problem implementing the quest I'm sure...just as sure as I am that the quest will be made available as soon as is possible or as soon as they intend it to be made available.

Shit happens. I check almost every day to see if it is available yet, but beyond that there is no way I would waste time constantly obsessing over when it will be made available. It will be a cool quest when it is made available, I'm sure...just as all the previous quests have been a nice break. Thanks to Anet for implementing any new quests at all, and also for doing it in a creative manner to kind of "kill two birds with one stone".

Jensy

Site Contributor

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Blinkie Ponie Armie [bpa]

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09 Nov 2009 at 05:44 - 175

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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

With what appears to be only 2 3-4 month content updates for 2009 and a broken quest chain, they are choosing option c, and making me think i should look for greener pastures.

Broken how? How do you, or anyone else posting here, know that this isn't exactly the way it was meant to play out? Because it didn't come out due to your personal wants and needs doesn't mean it's broken o___o

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

09 Nov 2009 at 05:59 - 176

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Originally Posted by WarcryOfTruth

Well if you say something like that you obviously think you can cook better than them, and if it were me personally, I'd call your bluff

I didn't say that at all; way to put words in my mouth, I guess?

I don't need to be able to cook to know if something tastes awful. Anet is not giving us anything 'for free', I paid ~$200 for the game, and I imagine there's quite a few people out there who've shelled out more than that. This isn't something that a company is doing out of the kindness of their hearts--they're a business, they're doing it to make absolutely sure people still give a shit about their game for when the sequel hype starts to build.

This is a good way to do it, as I clearly give a shit, but don't say that people have to be able to do something better in order to make any complaints at all--that's just retarded.

Jaskaran

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

YOU PERV!!

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09 Nov 2009 at 06:04 - 177

I hope Dhuum is a HUGE Squid who breaks through the ice!

Sjeng

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

in my GH

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

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09 Nov 2009 at 06:08 - 178

You mean like in Boreas Seabed? I hope not... Would be disappointing to see another Kraken instead of an all new villain.

Jaskaran

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

YOU PERV!!

Order Of The Unyeilding [Aura]

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09 Nov 2009 at 06:08 - 179

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

I didn't say that at all; way to put words in my mouth, I guess?

Anet is not giving us anything 'for free', I paid ~$200 for the game.

also srry for double post but TBH the only way you could pay $200 for guild wars is if you have all the campaigns + EoTn + All Bonus missions + a bunch of xunlai pans + all the pvp content you can buy... the list just goes on for it too be a total of $200

Black Metal

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2009

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09 Nov 2009 at 06:26 - 180

well I'm 3 collectors editions, bmp, 1 extra slot, eotn, eotn preview (was $2), and a second account trilogy + eotn. That's well above $200 and it's just 2 accounts.

your math is bad, jask

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

09 Nov 2009 at 06:28 - 181

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Originally Posted by Jaskaran

also srry for double post but TBH the only way you could pay $200 for guild wars is if you have all the campaigns + EoTn + All Bonus missions + a bunch of xunlai pans + all the pvp content you can buy... the list just goes on for it too be a total of $200

Buying all four games on release cost me roughly $50 each (EotN was a little less, maybe? which is why I said ~$200, roughly that number!)

Caligo

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

Missouri, USA (GMT -6)

Stop Stealing [agro]

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09 Nov 2009 at 06:30 - 182

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Originally Posted by Jaskaran

also srry for double post but TBH the only way you could pay $200 for guild wars is if you have all the campaigns + EoTn + All Bonus missions + a bunch of xunlai pans + all the pvp content you can buy... the list just goes on for it too be a total of $200

Not really sure what point you're trying to make, but it's easy to have spent $200 on Guild Wars. A lot of us bought the games as soon as they were released, which is easily $180, not including taxes or collector's editions. Add a couple character slots or whatnot and there's you're limit.

Anyway, I agree with Kakumei and many others who made the same point... Anet is a business. Sure, we spent our one time cash, but by keeping us happy, they're getting more money whether it's a monthly fee or not. If I enjoy playing the game, I will suggest a friend buy it, who in turn suggests his friend buy it, and so on and so forth. If I'm unhappy, I either won't mention it, or will suggest that they DON'T buy it. I'm sure the latter is bad for business...

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

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09 Nov 2009 at 13:31 - 183

Reasons I believe the quest must be broken:
It was advertised as a Halloween quest chain, yet it is the only thing of the Halloween event that still remains.
The quest giver disappeared and had to be be put back into the game to even get the last quest AND the last quest did not require the previous quests to be done to get.
No time-line when this waiting game will be up, just a general days, compared to the line giving for the rest of Halloween, which told when the event would be available and when the towns will be cleaned up and returned to normal.

Elrahir

Academy Page

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Europe

[DVDF]

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09 Nov 2009 at 13:49 - 184

... and the reward includes 100 ToT-bags which doesn't really make sense if it wasn't supposed to be a Halloween quest.

shoyon456

Desert Nomad

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09 Nov 2009 at 16:42 - 185

If its not working by the end of today, this will be pathetic.

amitai

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

N/

09 Nov 2009 at 17:00 - 186

y wont u just assume that its going to be the weekend event for u to know its the friday 13th great time for a scary quest like dhuum's battle u ppls so much into this game that u didnt notice the celendar didnt u?

Airstu

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2007

BC, eh

Liars Cheats and thieves [liar]

09 Nov 2009 at 17:46 - 187

Epic fail QQing over not having something instantly delivered to you. To everyone quitting, please quit here too. I hear that you get free candy,cookies and instant gratification here.

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

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09 Nov 2009 at 17:53 - 188

I just want to know when it will be available, i don't care if it doesn't resolve til Cathan new year, i just want to know so don't have to keep checking the forums everyday. It not instance gratification, it being stringed along that is annoying me.

dr love

...is in denial

Join Date: Sep 2006

Hyperion

starcraft 2

P/Me

09 Nov 2009 at 18:12 - 189

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Originally Posted by amitai

friday 13th great time for a scary quest like dhuum's battle

omg pro! i'm putting my monies on this.

Kc Quipor Ultra

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2009

Belgium

TRL

E/Me

09 Nov 2009 at 18:19 - 190

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Originally Posted by dbulger

omg pro! i'm putting my monies on this.

me 2 =D

Fay Vert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

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09 Nov 2009 at 18:46 - 191

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Which, I'm glad you agree with Fay.

Indeed I do. I find this whole situation amusing

I'm looking forward to this quest, but a few weeks wait (or longer) is no big deal. They have the important job of nerfing Broken Form first.

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

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The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

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09 Nov 2009 at 21:47 - 192

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Indeed I do. I find this whole situation amusing

I'm looking forward to this quest, but a few weeks wait (or longer) is no big deal. They have the important job of nerfing Broken Form first.

Yeah well, Broken Form has been like this for nearly a year now. You sure you want to wait that much longer for the update of this quest?

Bug John

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

09 Nov 2009 at 23:32 - 193

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

They have the important job of nerfing Broken Form first.

you're more obsessed by sf than any of the farmers that actually use it... if I could, I'd feel really sorry for you

anyway, I just hope the fight with dhuum will be fun and challenging

KageNoShi

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2009

In the shadows.

[SIGH]

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10 Nov 2009 at 00:08 - 194

Judging by his skills challenging yes, fun maybe? Though until they update the quest I'm going to try and finish up my gem collecting so I can get my armbrace.

Fay Vert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

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10 Nov 2009 at 01:01 - 195

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Originally Posted by Bug John

you're more obsessed by sf than any of the farmers that actually use it... if I could, I'd feel really sorry for you

Actually no. I couldn't really give a fig here. I barely play the game these days and have more cash that I have asperations to use. I comment as a fairly neutral observer here, and SF is so broken it's beyond belief.

Think of all the resource, dev and testing time, ANet have wasted trying NOT to nerf this dreadful skill. Then think of all the skills they have nerfed to oblivion with just the slightest hint of imba. It really makes no sense.

This whole Halloween quest chain seems to have been designed as another botched attempt to limit this broken skill.

Verene

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jan 2009

[SOTA]

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10 Nov 2009 at 01:35 - 196

Well, the Mad King's Steward just left again.

BenjZee

Forge Runner

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The Overacheivers [Club]

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10 Nov 2009 at 01:46 - 197

Game update....interesting

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

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Clan Dethryche [dth]

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10 Nov 2009 at 01:48 - 198

And now, our waiting game... continues.

Black Metal

Desert Nomad

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10 Nov 2009 at 01:48 - 199

this is starting to smell like fail

AngelWJedi

Furnace Stoker

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Society of Souls [Argh]

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10 Nov 2009 at 02:03 - 200

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Originally Posted by Black Metal

this is starting to smell like fail

starting too? it was already fail a long time ago.