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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
True. Spirit Spam just comes to mind as the single most powerful damage build in the game, that's all. Which is probably the reason only one of each is allowed.
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Shadow Form meets the end
FyrFytr998
Pleikki
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Originally Posted by UnChosen
Balanced? AHAHAHAHAHAH..........Sorry but the delusion is hillarious. Hell, even the nerfed Ursan is better than balanced in terms of effort/reward ratio.
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FoxBat
These days tank n spank is called cryway. Balanced is more like buffing a bunch of physicals out the wazoo and steamrolling everything.
Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by FoxBat
These days tank n spank is called cryway. Balanced is more like buffing a bunch of physicals out the wazoo and steamrolling everything.
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1 Obsidian Flesh Warrior.
2 Monks.
1 1hp BiP Necro.
4 Elementalists.
It's Tank'n'Spank.
Personally, I prefer playing with several professions, with no tanking or any of that silliness, and minimal gimmickry. We call it H/H.
BLOODGOAT
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Originally Posted by The Drunkard
Just kill off SB so they can't play the invincibility card like SF does. Other than that I don't have problems with 600/smite teams in general.
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pumpkin pie
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Originally Posted by Star Gazer
that idea is about as stupid as your avatar.
ontopic: hello wars, monks, necros and (maybe) eles. paragons, dervs, mesmers, you still suck and cant get a group. |
Seem to me the whole reason behind nerfing SF is because 7 minutes clear is unacceptable.
Then I ask you: read quote
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Originally Posted by Strain in an interview
“Our design goal when creating ‘Guild Wars’ was this: ‘If I’ve got 30 minutes before dinner, will I have fun playing this game?’” says Strain.
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So, it takes 85 minutes to clear, very satisfying, making people spend more time than it actually should. Hrmz. contradicting! Don't you think? Now, if i got 30 minutes before dinner, I can't do shit.
Zahr Dalsk
With H/H, you can play the 30 minutes then go AFK for several hours and come back later and finish then.
And GW is so lightweight, you can even play other games on the same computer at the same time. What fun!
And GW is so lightweight, you can even play other games on the same computer at the same time. What fun!
pumpkin pie
Off course we can Zahr Dalsk,
Point I am trying to make is, lots of player QQ about SF and the dev nerf it saying because 7 minutes clear is unacceptable, while having an ideal that everyone can play the game however they want spending lots of time or little time just "poofs" into thin air.
Point I am trying to make is, lots of player QQ about SF and the dev nerf it saying because 7 minutes clear is unacceptable, while having an ideal that everyone can play the game however they want spending lots of time or little time just "poofs" into thin air.
Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
Point I am trying to make is, lots of player QQ about SF and the dev nerf it saying because 7 minutes clear is unacceptable, while having an ideal that everyone can play the game however they want spending lots of time or little time just "poofs" into thin air.
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pumpkin pie
so players who have 30 minutes before dinner won't ever see Elite Area?
UnChosen
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Originally Posted by Pleikki
You Never tried proper balanced team then i guess.. Balanced can be as good as speed clear or what so ever, just needs more tactics, timing, coordinating etc. SKILL.
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People like to change the meaning of balanced constantly to suit their agenda. What I'm speaking of is the good old definition of warrior tank + monks + necro (Bip) + as many elementalists nukers with a subsitution once in a while.
And really what I find people called "balanced" now is basically a gimmick tank + monks + necro (bip) + 4 other caster char stacking as many PvE skills (cryway style) as possible and its supposed to be balanced? STILL excludes dervishes, normal sins, ranger, etc.
For some people Physicalway = balanced..
Either way if it doesn't yield at least double of what I get casually playing easy area and doing Z quests on multiple chars (20k/hour)....its not worth it, considering it takes at least twice as much effort, longer to form a group, easy to fail...and that's for guilds only. Pugs is pretty much out of the picture with the way things are going.
Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
so players who have 30 minutes before dinner won't ever see Elite Area?
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[spoiler]Not including class discrimination and insistence on SF for all groups, of course.[/spoiler]
pumpkin pie
Don't get me wrong, its great ArenaNet is looking after their game and players by showing an interest. I am just very curious as to how they determine what stays and what goes. Plus i also don't care if SF stays or gets nullify.
Since the beginning of the game, players have been farming and there are lots of way to do lots of things fast, but why do people target certain skills and certain way of playing the game? while there's no reasons given what so ever except 7 minutes clear is unacceptable.
How is a 7 minutes clear unacceptable compare to a 5 seconds completion of Imperial Sanctum in HM? there are many more "shortcuts" ways that players are using to get to the game contents they wanted.
Since the beginning of the game, players have been farming and there are lots of way to do lots of things fast, but why do people target certain skills and certain way of playing the game? while there's no reasons given what so ever except 7 minutes clear is unacceptable.
How is a 7 minutes clear unacceptable compare to a 5 seconds completion of Imperial Sanctum in HM? there are many more "shortcuts" ways that players are using to get to the game contents they wanted.
Snorph
Would most of you agree that this was what Guildwars was made for? To play together as a group, team, pug? I have to agree with most of what people say about SF.
I bought Guildwars for the fun of being in a pug, and group. I find it most fun. Even if we get wiped, thats how you learn.
Now I have a sin, he dont have perma, but I like using him with heroes / henchmen or group.
I think all classes are very important and each to his own. I did a pug with UW and I had loads of fun.
However with that said, we had a permasin in our group to help us deal dmg // tank, helping us, he was a big help while I was on my ele nuking // bombing, he was a big help.
So is nerfing SF really worth it? In terms of helping the group and not soloing?
I bought Guildwars for the fun of being in a pug, and group. I find it most fun. Even if we get wiped, thats how you learn.
Now I have a sin, he dont have perma, but I like using him with heroes / henchmen or group.
I think all classes are very important and each to his own. I did a pug with UW and I had loads of fun.
However with that said, we had a permasin in our group to help us deal dmg // tank, helping us, he was a big help while I was on my ele nuking // bombing, he was a big help.
So is nerfing SF really worth it? In terms of helping the group and not soloing?
Bristlebane
I for one is happy if Shadow Form is changed, and not like the other so called "nerfs" they did to it. It will be interesting to see what new builds and gimmicks that will come out after the changes :-)
I would however be in favor of a new Shadow Form that limit the skill to fighting only. Decreased duration, refresh on critical hit, with 50..75% chance to block spells.
I do hope they balance out Obsidian Flesh as well. 50..75% chance to block spells, 25..0% decreased movement speed.
I would however be in favor of a new Shadow Form that limit the skill to fighting only. Decreased duration, refresh on critical hit, with 50..75% chance to block spells.
I do hope they balance out Obsidian Flesh as well. 50..75% chance to block spells, 25..0% decreased movement speed.
FoxBat
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
Balanced traditionally contains...
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Take something like this build, except it's pretty easy to sub all those parts with any classes. Throw in a spirit spammer, load an ele up with orders or heals, add barbs splinter, whatever, it works fine, and you don't have to waste time balling enemies.
Snograt
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Originally Posted by Kain Fz
Score one for Kain the nad
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BlackSephir
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
Balanced traditionally contains...
1 Obsidian Flesh Warrior. 2 Monks. 1 1hp BiP Necro. 4 Elementalists. |
Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by FoxBat
You just listed the DoA SF build. I don't know who ever called that balanced, because 4 fire eles aren't it.
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Hence why I despise Balanced, it's shitbuild and code for "Tank'n'Spank, You better be Holy Trinity Class or you stay out."
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Originally Posted by BlackSephir
Where did you get this from?
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unienaule
I don't know what balanced means where you're from, but where I'm from, it meant, you know, a balance of builds and classes, maybe you had 2 monks, since they were the only healers you could convince anyone to take, but aside from that, I ran balanced teams with every friggin class in the game.
UnChosen
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Originally Posted by BlackSephir
Where did you get this from?
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Originally Posted by FoxBat
You just listed the DoA SF build. I don't know who ever called that balanced, because 4 fire eles aren't it. And that was the gimmick before pve skills came crying along.
Take something like this build, except it's pretty easy to sub all those parts with any classes. Throw in a spirit spammer, load an ele up with orders or heals, add barbs splinter, whatever, it works fine, and you don't have to waste time balling enemies. |
This is why I say that people keep changing the definition of balanced that it has no meaning any more. It gets changed so much that people just use it as a blanket term for any builds that pugs can never play efficiently enough to earn a reasonable, not crappy reward for their time. And then they just throw out the term every time a pug friendly build comes around...
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by UnChosen
That's not exactly balanced either...its just stacking physicals instead of stacking nuking spells. You can't take away the physicals because the orders become worthless. Not to mention...it still has a gimmick in the form of SY!
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Just like some different mmo ballanced is tank - dps - healer.
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Stacking nukes over obsi tank was never "gw ballanced" it was always just result of attempted tanknspank transplantation. And only did decent damage because of stacking single elite or skill (SF or SH or MS). That is pretty much gimmick.
Zeldalink
For me balanced is :
1 Tank (W, D, A, P, E)
4 Damages Dealers (E, N, Me, Mo, Ra, Rt)
1 Support (Singer, BiP, Interrupt, Linker) sometimes this kind of skills is distributed in DD
2 Heal (Mo, Rt)
Shadow Form will be nerf with others skills, great, but they didn't know which skills could be nerfed, they were waiting for you to say which ones, and you did it
1 Tank (W, D, A, P, E)
4 Damages Dealers (E, N, Me, Mo, Ra, Rt)
1 Support (Singer, BiP, Interrupt, Linker) sometimes this kind of skills is distributed in DD
2 Heal (Mo, Rt)
Shadow Form will be nerf with others skills, great, but they didn't know which skills could be nerfed, they were waiting for you to say which ones, and you did it
BLOODGOAT
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
And GW is so lightweight, you can even play other games on the same computer at the same time. What fun!
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But if I wanted, I could play Crysis while I was playing Fallout 3 if I wanted to :/
Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by unienaule
I don't know what balanced means where you're from
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UnChosen
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
GW was pretty much designed on physicals dps - casters support them - casters prot & heal, so it really is "gw ballanced".
Just like some different mmo ballanced is tank - dps - healer. --- Stacking nukes over obsi tank was never "gw ballanced" it was always just result of attempted tanknspank transplantation. And only did decent damage because of stacking single elite or skill (SF or SH or MS). That is pretty much gimmick. |
But back on topic, it doesn't matter what we call balanced. Pugs will never use it, guild would modify it with so much other gimmicks to speed it up to a point where the reward is worthwhile, and no one would play it "the way its meant to be played" because the area is not designed to encourage that.
Winry Sagara
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Originally Posted by II Lucky Charm II
Why not just remove Shadow Form from the game since it will most likely become obsolete after the next skill update and no one will use it? Just like Ursan Blessing.
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??iljo
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Originally Posted by Kain Fz
I wonder what the next Era will be.
Seriously. I just know something's going to come up. I vote for the carebear out of hibernation. My avatar is sad nobody uses him D: |
Lishy
I spent so much time grinding to r10 ursan and never got a chance to use it Q.Q
But seriously, I can well imagine ursan's revival.
But seriously, I can well imagine ursan's revival.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
Now, if i got 30 minutes before dinner, I can't do shit.
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If you want to advocate for a more casual playstyle, though, advocate for a less-stressful normal mode, or an even easier setting. Don't dumb down the game in its entirety.
Mylina
Time to stack Superior Earth Runes?
QueenofDeath
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
Discord Duo will remain ridiculously powerful in Vanquishing and the like.
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Lishy
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Originally Posted by Mylina
Time to stack Superior Earth Runes?
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zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by Mylina
Time to stack Superior Earth Runes?
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And mentally prepare for "lfg Ranger ursans, must have dire L20 pet and L10 norn".
Warbog The Slayer
they said they will change other farming skills too .... i hope they wont nerf 600/smite
Test Me
Everyone get ready!
ANet rocks the boat once more and we're all going to feel just like the game is fresh and new once more! Prepare for a glorious future!
Like, yeah right.
ANet rocks the boat once more and we're all going to feel just like the game is fresh and new once more! Prepare for a glorious future!
Like, yeah right.
4thVariety
There are two types of areas:
(1) The areas where you can basically do what you want
(2) The areas where you cannot do what you want.
It's bad if areas only work with one gimmick build well, but if anything butchers through the hardest areas as if they were Fort Ranik, then it's bad as well.
(1) The areas where you can basically do what you want
(2) The areas where you cannot do what you want.
It's bad if areas only work with one gimmick build well, but if anything butchers through the hardest areas as if they were Fort Ranik, then it's bad as well.
snowman relic
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Originally Posted by Chocobo1
Hopefully Assassins can go back to the way they were at the start of Factions. Unwanted.
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Nerf Me Haha
I hope they won't nerf skills like SY! and Seed of Life, since those 2 and other skills are the only realy good but not OP pve-only skills left.
On the other hand, GG on SF anet, made my 500k from uwsc and thats enough
EDIT: ER needs a nerf as well, this skill is so OP it allows spamming spells after the best in the game
is starving for energy (unless there is another build who can spam SB/Infuse w/o losing ANY health // energy).
On the other hand, GG on SF anet, made my 500k from uwsc and thats enough
EDIT: ER needs a nerf as well, this skill is so OP it allows spamming spells after the best in the game
is starving for energy (unless there is another build who can spam SB/Infuse w/o losing ANY health // energy).
snowman relic
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Originally Posted by bdordai
they said they will change other farming skills too .... i hope they wont nerf 600/smite
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