Nerf Mark of Pain
Cuilan
Does way too much damage and is insanely overpowered in a semi-focused group or one based around it. Discuss.
majikmajikmajik
pvp or pve nerf? becuase it not a problem in neither.
pvp wouldnt use it and in pve it causes scatter.
pvp wouldnt use it and in pve it causes scatter.
Cuilan
In PvE. Its scatter doesn't seem to be enough for it's deadly onslaught. It can make "the entire screen exploooooooooode" in seconds.
majikmajikmajik
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Originally Posted by Cuilan
PvE and its scatter doesn't seem to be enough for it's deadly onslaught.
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farmerfez
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Originally Posted by majikmajikmajik
against yourself or while using it? because i dont remember it being used against me and if it has it was obviously no problem. simple hex removal helps.
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BlackSephir
If you want to fix pve there are better skills with which you can begin.
Cuilan
Already aware of Shadow Form and there are enough threads here for that.
200-300 damage per spear attack from any party member?
Having the group die before the target in hard mode?
200-300 damage per spear attack from any party member?
Having the group die before the target in hard mode?
Jenn
"It's overpowered for good teams."
Not something I'd thought I'd ever hear.
(ok, yes, I'm paraphrasing a bit....)
/not signed!
Not something I'd thought I'd ever hear.
(ok, yes, I'm paraphrasing a bit....)
/not signed!
majikmajikmajik
doesnt this skill also cost 15ene with a 2second cast?
Cuilan
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Originally Posted by Illfated Fat
"It's overpowered for good teams."
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@majikmajikmajik: Necromancers have SR and access to Seize the Day.
Chthon
Troll thread is troll thread.
MoP has existed in its current form since the beginning of the game. It's strong in the right hands, and weak in the wrong hands, always has been. It hasn't been a problem in the past 4 years and it isn't now.
If there's a problem skill related to MoP, it's AP, which basically removes the 20 second recharge from MoP. There's no doubt that AP is overpowered if you know how to use it. That said, a-net's inaction on AP leads me to believe that they've decided that discovering and using strong skill combinations with somewhat tricky execution is playing the game as intended.
MoP has existed in its current form since the beginning of the game. It's strong in the right hands, and weak in the wrong hands, always has been. It hasn't been a problem in the past 4 years and it isn't now.
If there's a problem skill related to MoP, it's AP, which basically removes the 20 second recharge from MoP. There's no doubt that AP is overpowered if you know how to use it. That said, a-net's inaction on AP leads me to believe that they've decided that discovering and using strong skill combinations with somewhat tricky execution is playing the game as intended.
majikmajikmajik
so this is just a joke topic?
nothing wrong with the skill, obvious other skills need more attention.
nothing wrong with the skill, obvious other skills need more attention.
Ugh
Or they could nerf SF and there would be no way for anyone to get 30 guys all adjacent to each other.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Chthon
Troll thread is troll thread.
MoP has existed in its current form since the beginning of the game. It's strong in the right hands, and weak in the wrong hands, always has been. It hasn't been a problem in the past 4 years and it isn't now. If there's a problem skill related to MoP, it's AP, which basically removes the 20 second recharge from MoP. There's no doubt that AP is overpowered if you know how to use it. That said, a-net's inaction on AP leads me to believe that they've decided that discovering and using strong skill combinations with somewhat tricky execution is playing the game as intended. |
It's a decently balanced skill, in the way that it's good with good players, and bad with bad. Sure, it does huge damage when well coordinated, but it has a 20 second recharge and isn't problematic. The problem is the ability to spam it non stop with AP. The problem is AP, not MoP.
As for it being a troll thread, it's pretty easy to see this skill as overpowered depending on your point of view, but this guys probably (semi) serious.
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Cuilan
I always hear how great 40/40 sets are here. And you don't always need it to recharge.
You don't need a tank to use MoP. Just some melee with spear casters (like yourself) as a bonus.
You don't need a tank to use MoP. Just some melee with spear casters (like yourself) as a bonus.
majikmajikmajik
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Originally Posted by Cuilan
I always hear how great 40/40 sets are here. And you don't always need it to recharge.
You don't need a tank to use MoP. Just some melee with spear casters (like yourself) as a bonus. |
Cuilan
But then I would be playing far-far-far very far less useful.
Marty Silverblade
I think it's fine. Rewarding good players for using good techniques is fine, and bad players won't get much out of it.
Vazze
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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade
I think it's fine. Rewarding good players for using good techniques is fine, and bad players won't get much out of it.
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This gave me lulz.
Cuilan
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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade
I think it's fine. Rewarding good players for using good techniques is fine, and bad players won't get much out of it.
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No thanks.
majikmajikmajik
so is this a nerf MoP because its okay but i over use it
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another SF reference/QQ thread in disguise?
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another SF reference/QQ thread in disguise?
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Cuilan
That skill doesn't require that other skill to be effective. So therefor it's not a thread about that. Mark of Pain really doesn't require that much technique. Not saying it doesn't require any at all.
Requesting to be locked may mean a bias with the professions.
Requesting to be locked may mean a bias with the professions.
sickle of carnage
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Originally Posted by Cuilan
Because keeping Shadow Form up is good technique. They should be rewarded.
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farmerfez
its fine because it takes some skill to use it well....its just not a button masher
Ghost Dog
I can understand why you want it nerfed but my friend, permafags have ruined this game enough for me, if they kill MoP too I will murder someone.
Tenebrae
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Originally Posted by Cuilan
That skill doesn't require that other skill to be effective. So therefor it's not a thread about that. Mark of Pain really doesn't require that much technique. Not saying it doesn't require any at all.
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1- All party to deal Physical damage and 8+ minions hitting the SAME target
2- To be used on a Full HP target that is in the middle of a 4+ mob ball
3- To be used with AP in order to shorten recharge.
4- Good positioning , block and bla bla.
If now ppl is going to request to nerf ALL the skill and or skill combos that require ALL of that points ( yes , ALL , not 2 , not even 3 ) ..... man , we are going to have about 10+ more threads in this forum .
/notsigned
FoxBat
It has a decent recharge though. Assassin's Promise is the real culprit, make it only recharge sin skills.
Cuilan
1-4 aren't requirements to be too powerful. 4 doesn't take any unique skill.
Xenomortis
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Originally Posted by Cuilan
Does way too much damage and is insanely overpowered in a semi-focused group or one based around it. Discuss.
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In order for impressive use it requires bunched up enemies, physicals to follow calls or a shit-load of minions and a bit of luck, along with a method to shorten its recharge.
Enemies remain bunched up, facilitating its use - this is an AI issue.
Coordinated teams are good teams and should be rewarded as such.
Recharge reduction (namely AP) is where things start to get a bit too much. Perhaps you should look here.
Mark of Pain has a strong balancing factor; it has a 20 second recharge.
This effectively means it can be used about once per fight. That use may be wasted, or it may destroy most of the mob. Which happens depends on a few factors and it's up to the caster to get the most out of it.
AP nearly destroys that balancing factor.
A 40/40 set isn't reliable enough to be noteworthy.
Also, balling up of enemies does not require explicit tanking.
Cuilan
Then players of other professions should be rewarded, no?
All other caster professions are inferior because you're not playing optimal. MoP nuker.
All other caster professions are inferior because you're not playing optimal. MoP nuker.
Xenomortis
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Originally Posted by Cuilan
Then players of other professions should be rewarded, no?
All other caster professions are inferior because you're not playing optimal. MoP nuker. |
The physicals are part of your team.
It is your team that is rewarded. There are 5 physical classes - all 5 can form part of that setup.
Eles and Monks and even Rits can find places on these teams. Really, it's only Mesmers that suffer. Nerfing MoP or even AP wouldn't help them.
Sir Tieger
oh look moar QQ pissing and moaning threads on Guru...
[insert skill] is overpowered nerf nao plox!!11!11one!
im just glad Anet doesn't pay any attention to all this..otherwise we would be all stuck auto attacking due to all skills doing 0 dmg with 10 sec cast and 60min recharge..
MoP works with the right co ordination and setup.
Does that make it overpowered? No
Does it mean your team knows what they are doing? Yes
Incase of h/h does it mean u set them up correctly and know how to call targets? Yes
So lets nerf anything that performs well with a well co ordinated team...
Awesome idea..
/notsigned
[insert skill] is overpowered nerf nao plox!!11!11one!
im just glad Anet doesn't pay any attention to all this..otherwise we would be all stuck auto attacking due to all skills doing 0 dmg with 10 sec cast and 60min recharge..
MoP works with the right co ordination and setup.
Does that make it overpowered? No
Does it mean your team knows what they are doing? Yes
Incase of h/h does it mean u set them up correctly and know how to call targets? Yes
So lets nerf anything that performs well with a well co ordinated team...
Awesome idea..
/notsigned
Cuilan
So non-H/H teams should all tank and spank?
Hotboxin240
splinter + MoP + scythe
Thanks for the AoE
Nothing wrong with these skills, it's like saying lets get rid of fire ele's.
Thanks for the AoE
Nothing wrong with these skills, it's like saying lets get rid of fire ele's.
SmokingHotImolation
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Originally Posted by Ugh
Or they could nerf SF and there would be no way for anyone to get 30 guys all adjacent to each other.
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Sir Tieger
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Originally Posted by Cuilan
So non-H/H teams should all tank and spank?
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Just because a team uses MoP and a melee class this = Tank and Spank?
ermm no
Rose Rune
Culian, Mark of Pain is a strong spell although so are several other things, and i see no reason why it should be nerfed. Sure it can take down any group you take as long as they're balled and you spike correctly, but it is an evenly balanced skill and if you're going to do that you may as well nerf any skill that can do enough damage to spike well. That would include Feast of Corruption, Energy Surge, Searing Flames, and so on. Even if Anet were to nerf everything they could think of to prevent Speed Clears people would still find a way, trust me. And Hundred blades is used in collision with Mark of Pain so why would you suggest MoP over HB? Of course HB can't spike down a target fully but it is probably the best warrior buff in the game and so it should need to be nerfed if I'm following your line of thought.
This probably wouldn't be the best place to post threads like this, because mass troll always follows.
This probably wouldn't be the best place to post threads like this, because mass troll always follows.
Xx Da Best Xx
I think he just likes SF so much he wants to nerf every skill that makes a team build INVOLVING sf weak.
MoP is not OP. You have to use strategy and have communication to make it work right.
MoP is not OP. You have to use strategy and have communication to make it work right.
war330
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
I cannot emphasize how true this post is.
It's a decently balanced skill, in the way that it's good with good players, and bad with bad. Sure, it does huge damage when well coordinated, but it has a 20 second recharge and isn't problematic. The problem is the ability to spam it non stop with AP. The problem is AP, not MoP. As for it being a troll thread, it's pretty easy to see this skill as overpowered depending on your point of view, but this guys probably (semi) serious. Not true at all. My old guild used to run MoP in Urgoz, and we managed to ball up plenty of enemies without SF. It all depends on how good your frontline is. |
with ppl QQ-ing about SF why dont we just tank tanks out of the game? seriously now because as soon as SF is nerfed, the trolls will go find another half decent skill to go kill to ruin the fun for everyone else
Cuilan
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Originally Posted by Xx Da Best Xx
I think he just likes SF so much he wants to nerf every skill that makes a team build INVOLVING sf weak.
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And nobody in this thread said melee meant tank and spank.