Heya folks. We've got the preliminary skill update notes about the next skill balance up on the official wiki:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedb...views/20100219
Preliminary Skill Update Notes: Feb 19
Regina Buenaobra
Synles Chyld
Sweet mercy its finally update time!!!
Thank You Regina for the heads up and plz lets get this SF nerf started already!
Syn
Thank You Regina for the heads up and plz lets get this SF nerf started already!
Syn
aefghuys
sweet, thanks for the heads up
drkn
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| With the exception of a few powerful skills, many Ritualist skills just have no place in end game PvE. |
please consider that point.
edit after reading everything:
* due to buffs to ritualists, i see more n/rt heroes abuse
* due to 'killing' (we don't know how they want to solve the issue yet, hence the '') 600/smite, faction-based guilds will run rampage and maxing an allegiance title will probably be a pain until someone finds a puggable 30-40 min vq; still, it WILL be a pain. if you need kurzick title for your gwamm, farm 24/7 ;p
* tactics still won't be desired
* paragons not only have just one viable end-game build to run (imbagon), but now they pretty much have to run and shout on their allies with constant 60 armor without any means to remove it (in the typical imbagon build, that is)
* i know it's not complete, but with changing blood magic (aka touching necros), i'm surprised that MoP change isn't announced
Chocobo1
Well I totally woke up at the perfect time. Reading now, will edit this post :3.
Edit: I'm pretty happy with that. I have no idea why you buffed ritualist again instead of looking at Rangers/Mesmers/Eles in HM, but I am pretty happy about it. Blood magic looks interesting, the Hammer buffs and tactics rework still seem kinda meh. Would have thought you'd change more stuff to affect the party. Overall I'm pretty happy, I hope you can do a huge change thing like this for PvP sometime in the future.
Also:
Yeah, 500 players will quit without Obsidian Flesh -_-. It's another invulnerable build, you really think the speed REDUCTION means its balanced? How does that even matter when all you have to do is sit there and take 0 damage while dominating them with your own skills.
Edit: I'm pretty happy with that. I have no idea why you buffed ritualist again instead of looking at Rangers/Mesmers/Eles in HM, but I am pretty happy about it. Blood magic looks interesting, the Hammer buffs and tactics rework still seem kinda meh. Would have thought you'd change more stuff to affect the party. Overall I'm pretty happy, I hope you can do a huge change thing like this for PvP sometime in the future.
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Originally Posted by The Feeding
Don't touch obby flesh.
Its not even OP anymore because of the speedbuff and after Obbyflesh/600/SF are gone, I garuntee youll lose atleast 500 players. |
own age myname
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1. Invincibility skills
- No for Obby flesh is making me scratch my head. No 600/Smite makes me somewhat angry, because I really like the build. Good bye SF I guess, we all knew you were going to be gone sooner or later, it was fun abusing you.
2. Hammer.
- Ok, I guess. Hammer is pretty good in PvE already, but this will give a few more builds a warrior can work with for HM.
B+
3. Rits.
- I don't see how these skill changes will make rits more viable in high end pve. What we will see is necros abusing some more of the rits skills that do look a little powerful.
C
4. Tactics.
I like this, some of the skills sound fun to work with. Shield Stance will be a new tank skill (bleh). Fear Me! sounds OPed, but at the same time fun. Retreat! is will be like Fall Back!, kind of cool. It's not bad, should spice things up for a bit.
B+
5. Blood Magic.
Will still be underpowered.
D for effort I guess.
6. Other issues.
Heal as One sounds great, looking forward to that. Agressive Refrain and Soldiers Fury no cracked armor is great for H/H.
B+
1. Invincibility skills
- No for Obby flesh is making me scratch my head. No 600/Smite makes me somewhat angry, because I really like the build. Good bye SF I guess, we all knew you were going to be gone sooner or later, it was fun abusing you.
2. Hammer.
- Ok, I guess. Hammer is pretty good in PvE already, but this will give a few more builds a warrior can work with for HM.
B+
3. Rits.
- I don't see how these skill changes will make rits more viable in high end pve. What we will see is necros abusing some more of the rits skills that do look a little powerful.
C
4. Tactics.
I like this, some of the skills sound fun to work with. Shield Stance will be a new tank skill (bleh). Fear Me! sounds OPed, but at the same time fun. Retreat! is will be like Fall Back!, kind of cool. It's not bad, should spice things up for a bit.
B+
5. Blood Magic.
Will still be underpowered.
D for effort I guess.
6. Other issues.
Heal as One sounds great, looking forward to that. Agressive Refrain and Soldiers Fury no cracked armor is great for H/H.
B+
Cuilan
So basically I have to make a warrior, sin, rit, or necro to have all the fun tweaks. Nothing's really changed, at least for me.
code
Kill SF for all you want but don't touch my 600 
The Feeding
Don't touch obby flesh.
Its not even OP anymore because of the speedbuff and after Obbyflesh/600/SF are gone, I garuntee youll lose atleast 500 players.
Its not even OP anymore because of the speedbuff and after Obbyflesh/600/SF are gone, I garuntee youll lose atleast 500 players.
asb
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Originally Posted by drkn
finds a puggable 30-40 min vq; still, it WILL be a pain.
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I definitely want to see how long it takes until the next broken build is created. Fun times!
Grim Aragorn
***Finally, Dwarven Battle Stance is being revised a bit. It will cost 5 energy, provide +40 AL, and +33% attack speed. Dwarven Battle Stance will still cause interruption, though only when you use attack skills. It will no longer end if you use a skill. ***
this is gunna be insane
this is gunna be insane
Aurelio
LOL at R/A nerfed for the third time in a row and what is funny is that this update will not stop them.
AND LoL at crippling shot nerf
AND LoL at crippling shot nerf
Grim Aragorn
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Originally Posted by The Feeding
Don't touch obby flesh.
Its not even OP anymore because of the speedbuff and after Obbyflesh/600/SF are gone, I garuntee youll lose atleast 500 players. |
Cuilan
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Originally Posted by The Feeding
Don't touch obby flesh.
Its not even OP anymore because of the speedbuff and after Obbyflesh/600/SF are gone, I garuntee youll lose atleast 500 players. |
drkn
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| Its not even OP anymore because of the speedbuff |
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| after Obbyflesh/600/SF are gone, I garuntee youll lose atleast 500 players. |
but if someone played only to accumulate wealth through running other people or something, that was his choice, though. yet, on the other hand, with limited running/rushing/farming/etc, the money-titles will now be even bigger pain in the ass than they used to be.
toocooltang
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Originally Posted by The Feeding
Don't touch obby flesh.
Its not even OP anymore because of the speedbuff and after Obbyflesh/600/SF are gone, I garuntee youll lose atleast 500 players. |
Arduin
Wow, Dwarven Battle Stance + Dwarven Stability might be fun.
Bill Clinton
Sf and Obby flesh nerfs are good things. But 600/smite is a really versatile and dynamic way to play the game. Theres a lot in it and its something you really do need to practice and get good at.
I think its a big mistake to remove a niche like that from the game. Just make changes to the problem areas, (i.e underworld) Not the playstyle itself.
I think its a big mistake to remove a niche like that from the game. Just make changes to the problem areas, (i.e underworld) Not the playstyle itself.
AOD_EaSyKiLL
While you guys are reworking Tactics you should move both Riposte(s) to Sword Mastery
Dratyan
After reading these notes, I'm just glad I got pretty stuff and pretty titles on PvE before this update. Now I know for sure I quitted the game on a perfect time.(I never liked SF but killing most gimmick farming builds at once can't be good)
Also, it would be terrible to finally help Dervs now that mine is retired ^^ So just let them like they are -Ty for that btw
Also, it would be terrible to finally help Dervs now that mine is retired ^^ So just let them like they are -Ty for that btw
FoxBat
Backbreaker / Shatter nonprimary nerfs = lol.
Primal = finally dead...?
Resilient nerf worries me a little. 10e on a mediocre 8s spell you need to defend NPCs is yuck.
9A Backbreaker + no recharge Steelfang Slash = HELL YES.
Primal = finally dead...?
Resilient nerf worries me a little. 10e on a mediocre 8s spell you need to defend NPCs is yuck.
9A Backbreaker + no recharge Steelfang Slash = HELL YES.
Giga_Gaia
Why do you say that Rit damage is weak, and then proceed to nerf its only real damage dealing build which heavily involves the use of signet of spirits?? I dont care for the rest of the "buffs"... the only useful "buff" there would be AR and that does not warrant a SoS nerf.
And also where is the 5 year long overdue buffs to mesmers?? Although you guys will probably ignore the feedback anyway like you did on the last update. So meh.
All in all, I must admit I honestly didn't believe you guys at all when you said the update will be out in February. So that was a pleasant surprise I guess. Even so, if that's all you guys have been working on over the last 5 - 6 months, it definitely won't make me get all excited and want to come back anytime soon.
And also where is the 5 year long overdue buffs to mesmers?? Although you guys will probably ignore the feedback anyway like you did on the last update. So meh.
All in all, I must admit I honestly didn't believe you guys at all when you said the update will be out in February. So that was a pleasant surprise I guess. Even so, if that's all you guys have been working on over the last 5 - 6 months, it definitely won't make me get all excited and want to come back anytime soon.
Reformed
Change to Aggressive Refrain/Soldier's Fury is nice if you run h/h. Not too thrilled about the SoS nerf. The rest is meh...Obflesh nerf is actually surprising, in a bad way. You missed one though, no Spell Breaker? Might as well run the gauntlet at this point Anet and kill them all.
Lagg
Big meh.
Instead of going back to basics you add even more patchwork, clumsy PvP/PvE splits and completely random buffs.
I don't expect any of my old buddies who quit when the game became stale to come back for more than a single day.
As for me, I'm waiting for the patch that fixes the entire game by killing it, ironically.
Guild Wars 2.
Instead of going back to basics you add even more patchwork, clumsy PvP/PvE splits and completely random buffs.
I don't expect any of my old buddies who quit when the game became stale to come back for more than a single day.
As for me, I'm waiting for the patch that fixes the entire game by killing it, ironically.
Guild Wars 2.
doomfodder
"Finally, Dwarven Battle Stance is being revised a bit. It will cost 5 energy, provide +40 AL, and +33% attack speed. Dwarven Battle Stance will still cause interruption, though only when you use attack skills. It will no longer end if you use a skill. "
DBS already has +33% attack speed = GOOD
Dropping 5E = GOOD
Won't end when you use a skill anymore = GOOD
Adding 40AL helps JUST the warrior = SO WHAT??? (it results in very SLIGHTLY reduced pressure off the party healers for the duration of the stance).
Only ints when attack skill is used = BAD.
Adrenaline attack skills will still queue up so as to only be available 3-5 seconds into the battle & the energy attack skills still have recharge = CONSIDERABLY FEWER INTERRUPTS.
Reducing the CONTINUOUS interrupts provided by the exisitng PvE dwarven combo (Dwarven Battle Stance + Dwarven Stability) means that a single war won't be able to shut down spammers in HM - Ele, Nec, Ranger (thinking of choking gas in slavers), or almost all Melee in order to KEEP damage/pressure OFF of ANY ally the "enganged" foe is attacking. In it's current form, there is more utility to the TEAM play than the proposed change.
It's a waste of ANET's time to change this skill for PvE... mayB for PvP tho....
But, I know ANET is NOT gonna listen to me... whatever... with the pending change to Heal as One, who needs a hammer? The war can just cast GDW on his/her pet along with Never Rampage Alone to get a SIMILAR effect. Similar, but no where near as much FUN as the 1/4 sec KD EVERY TIME you connect with your hammer
DBS already has +33% attack speed = GOOD
Dropping 5E = GOOD
Won't end when you use a skill anymore = GOOD
Adding 40AL helps JUST the warrior = SO WHAT??? (it results in very SLIGHTLY reduced pressure off the party healers for the duration of the stance).
Only ints when attack skill is used = BAD.
Adrenaline attack skills will still queue up so as to only be available 3-5 seconds into the battle & the energy attack skills still have recharge = CONSIDERABLY FEWER INTERRUPTS.
Reducing the CONTINUOUS interrupts provided by the exisitng PvE dwarven combo (Dwarven Battle Stance + Dwarven Stability) means that a single war won't be able to shut down spammers in HM - Ele, Nec, Ranger (thinking of choking gas in slavers), or almost all Melee in order to KEEP damage/pressure OFF of ANY ally the "enganged" foe is attacking. In it's current form, there is more utility to the TEAM play than the proposed change.
It's a waste of ANET's time to change this skill for PvE... mayB for PvP tho....
But, I know ANET is NOT gonna listen to me... whatever... with the pending change to Heal as One, who needs a hammer? The war can just cast GDW on his/her pet along with Never Rampage Alone to get a SIMILAR effect. Similar, but no where near as much FUN as the 1/4 sec KD EVERY TIME you connect with your hammer
DigitalFear
Huh, isn't Soldier's Fury getting nerfed again? Removable -20 armor seems better than irremovable -20 armor to me...
SF is gonna get killed QQ.
Looking forward to the hammer buffs
Rits...Meh, no big changes.
Barbed Signet+Apply = big pressures?
Tactics will still be bad
And... Why no PvE Mesmer/Derv buffs? I mean come on...
SF is gonna get killed QQ.
Looking forward to the hammer buffs
Rits...Meh, no big changes.
Barbed Signet+Apply = big pressures?
Tactics will still be bad
And... Why no PvE Mesmer/Derv buffs? I mean come on...
A. Noid
And when will we see separate Guild Wars box editions? You know, one for PvE and one for PvP?
/endsarcasm
This is getting stupid.
-ANoid
PS. Nerf Word of Healing already and give monks a chance at some variety already!
/endsarcasm
This is getting stupid.
-ANoid
PS. Nerf Word of Healing already and give monks a chance at some variety already!
shoyon456
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Big meh.
Instead of going back to basics you add even more patchwork, clumsy PvP/PvE splits and completely random buffs. Guild Wars 2. |
Considering this PvE update took 5-6 months, it is RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing pathetic. That they are trying make Rits even MORE viable in high-end PvE (SoS anyone?) when Dervs never see high-end PvE play pisses me off frankly. I've been patient in the years since the Derv nerfs hoping they would fix or address some of the fundamental flaws in the class, and especially so in the recent 5-6 silent months of no updates at all. Derv's aren't the only class that don't generally get a place in high-end PvE, but I'd say the derv situation is clearly the worst.
Before I buy GW2, I want to know who's running the updates, how often they will be, what their goals will be, what philosophy skills we be balanced on, etc...
I really don't care. They don't owe me an update. But if they want me to give GW2 a second thought, they won't think to put out these haphazard builds that add unnecessary layers. Hey Live Team, ever think that the reason warriors don't use Tactics for DPS is because...ITS NOT A DPS SKILL LINE? Most warriors want to run DPS, hell all professions want to. They make an active choice not to run tactics because its not expedient. And FYI, Warriors get the most play. Id rather see an effort to balance other classes to make them up to par and give them just as much play.
wetwillyhip
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Originally Posted by FoxBat
Backbreaker / Shatter nonprimary nerfs = lol.
Primal = finally dead...? Resilient nerf worries me a little. 10e on a mediocre 8s spell you need to defend NPCs is yuck. 9A Backbreaker + no recharge Steelfang Slash = HELL YES. |
...sorry dude, i got excited too like you did about backbreaker + Steelfang slash, but both skills have different attribute lines. they won't work in combo well.
O Nuxtofulakas
good job anet....
hope you don't change your mind the last minute..
blood line hexes look really really interesting^^
hope you don't change your mind the last minute..
blood line hexes look really really interesting^^
own age myname
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Originally Posted by shoyon456
Thing is, just because they get a brand new toy to play with doesn't mean they won't screw it up the same way.
Considering this PvE update took 5-6 months, it is RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing pathetic. That they are trying make Rits even MORE viable in high-end PvE (SoS anyone?) when Dervs never see high-end PvE play pisses me off frankly. I've been patient in the years since the Derv nerfs hoping they would fix or address some of the fundamental flaws in the class, and especially so in the recent 5-6 silent months of no updates at all. Derv's aren't the only class that don't generally get a place in high-end PvE, but I'd say the derv situation is clearly the worst. Before I buy GW2, I want to know who's running the updates, how often they will be, what their goals will be, what philosophy skills we be balanced on, etc... I really don't care. They don't owe me an update. But if they want me to give GW2 a second thought, they won't think to put out these haphazard builds that add unnecessary layers. Hey Live Team, ever think that the reason warriors don't use Tactics for DPS is because...ITS NOT A DPS SKILL LINE? Most warriors want to run DPS, hell all professions want to. They make an active choice not to run tactics because its not expedient. And FYI, Warriors get the most play. Id rather see an effort to balance other classes to make them up to par and give them just as much play. |
sthpaw
sounds interesting, looks like bye bye speed clears about time.
looks like balanced or wateva u call it is coming back
i might come back to pve, just maybe.
looks like balanced or wateva u call it is coming back
i might come back to pve, just maybe.
own age myname
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Originally Posted by sthpaw
sounds interesting, looks like bye bye speed clears about time.
looks like balanced or wateva u call it is coming back i might come back to pve, just maybe. |
Sankt Hallvard
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...sorry dude, i got excited too like you did about backbreaker + Steelfang slash, but both skills have different attribute lines. they won't work in combo well.
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Apart from that I found it really confusing what were pve changes and what were pvp changes...
Peace
will these updates effect fowsc ?
Turbo Ginsu
Welcome to the new and improved "Hammer and Rit Wars". That's what it's saying with these updates. I can't see enough across the board to show me that the rest of the skill changes were for any other reason than to throw us off of the scent.
They've left many of the smaller farms alone altogether in this, which is a little ironic, because it was already easy enough to just take a rit or 2 to the areas that 600/sf were dominating and roll it that way. U know, places where u can make decent lewt in just the first room or 2?
At any rate, the places that will still be quite farmable will just notice a bit of a class shift, then continue to be farmed just as hard as ever, if not harder.
Nice try, but from this preliminary snip, SG nonetheless..
Must say, I agree with what Shoyon said about dervs. Not enough to throw on a modded farm build, feels like barrel scraping to me..How about a bit more viability? Mesmers, same again.
Looks like they're ignoring the same old ignores, persecuting the same old classes, yep, move along please, nothing new here..
They've left many of the smaller farms alone altogether in this, which is a little ironic, because it was already easy enough to just take a rit or 2 to the areas that 600/sf were dominating and roll it that way. U know, places where u can make decent lewt in just the first room or 2?
At any rate, the places that will still be quite farmable will just notice a bit of a class shift, then continue to be farmed just as hard as ever, if not harder.
Nice try, but from this preliminary snip, SG nonetheless..
Must say, I agree with what Shoyon said about dervs. Not enough to throw on a modded farm build, feels like barrel scraping to me..How about a bit more viability? Mesmers, same again.
Looks like they're ignoring the same old ignores, persecuting the same old classes, yep, move along please, nothing new here..
AngelWJedi
bad enough you are going to mess with 600/smite ;/ but with SoS too?! grr my feather farm will suck. i use sos to heal me when i am mobbed up. but least we got 50 points. got keys and used them to bad i got crap. ;/ 
Operative 14
Sounds good I 'spose, I don't think any of these changes will affect me directly.
I am a little disappointed that Rits are going to be buffed again since they have actually gotten into the mainstream more, while other professions who havn't gotten any attention for years and are pariahs throughout the entire game (re: DERVISH!!) are being left by the wayside.
I am a little disappointed that Rits are going to be buffed again since they have actually gotten into the mainstream more, while other professions who havn't gotten any attention for years and are pariahs throughout the entire game (re: DERVISH!!) are being left by the wayside.
Cuilan
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And... Why no PvE Mesmer/Derv buffs? I mean come on...
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A couple armor ignoring rit and ele nukes are nice, though.
I'm glad they touched but didn't nerf SoS.
Where and what was the Test Krewe doing with all this? I find it hard to believe (or at I would like to think it's hard to believe) that people who play this game support this? Anet should force the Test Krewe to make the "unliked by Anet" professions to test, but this sentence doesn't make sense.
The Drunkard
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We’ve made some other changes to bring certain skills in line with other similar skills that were changed in past updates. In PvE, Heal As One is being updated to match the PvE change for Comfort Animal (if you equip this skill, you will not need to bring Charm Animal) and it will be getting an additional boost of life stealing (5...15) whenever your pet hits. Its healing will remain the same (25...145), but will no longer require you or your pet to be below 75% health.
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Although the changes seem alright, why are only half of the professions being looked at? Paragons and mesmers have yet to recieve their major powercreep, and rits are starting to look like eles that won't suck in HM.
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We didn’t want to simply nerf Shadow Form and cause a mass migration to another overpowered build, only to nerf that after players start using it.
... Based on our testing, observation and discussion, we expect to make changes to Shadow Form, Obsidian Flesh, and to a skill or two used in 600-Smite builds. |