im having a whinge

I feel Anet have damaged the game badly since the last few nerfs. Hm in the dungeons is now impossible, no more runners, very few ppl to make A pug, guildies leaving in their droves.

I know this a doomsday thread (all doom and gloom) but I wish they hadnt nerf the sins or monks, even though they may have dominated things at least i could get things done, now its a struggle to find ppl to do NM.

The once bustling town of Doomlore and umbral are mere ghost towns now, my chances of completing missions and areas for my titles are now badly dented if not shot down in flames.

If this thread is closed or flamed for my pessimism I understand, but I feel writing my sorrows may find a soft spot in Anets heart and maybe they will back step on some of their decisions and re-instate some of the changes they made....but alas i fear it will be in vain.

There....Ive revealed my feelings and withdraw into the solitary corners of doomlore to shed my tears!

I hear what youa re saying man. BUT, it means you need to practice. All of those areas can be finished with heroes and henchies. There are also new areas to solo, BUT you have to learn how to do the soloing, and not rely on others to run you. If you want phat lewtz, you need to get them yourself and not rely on others. You can do it!

erm...dungeons impossible without runners?! im almost tempted to call this a troll attempt....
seriously tho, 99% of the game can be rolled with h&h...and pugs arent that hard to find...

loosing guildies after 5years is expected...games life span and all.

I guess it would be nice if some titles represented some kind of achievement instead of just $$$ eh?

i understand what you guys say about doing it for myself, after all i use to do it with just H/H before the runners came prolific as they were, but i guess i got lazy.

Still one of my chars was a runner and now she is redundant for this alone im sad.I have to admit i used her to make money to get my other chars done now its going to be a struggle or at least take much longer to raise the finance.

but still i miss the crowds in the towns...

P.S trying doing arachni HM with H/H...for an average player like me..trust me its too hard.

Dungeons, in general, are not so hard that you shouldn't be able to do them yourself. If you're too lazy to do them without a runner, sucks for you.

The things you talk about dear Thread Creator, are nothing else but a natural consequence of Anet not addressing overpowered/no-skill builds efficiently and on time for the previous years.

They made the community lazy, demanding and self-centered, because they failed to promote teamwork, creativity and skill.

Now, the community response to nerfing is quitting and raging, rather than looking for alternative means to achieve the same goals.

Also, jazilla nailed it pretty well and to the point. Game is still ridiculously easy, but of course it's not easy enough!

That's what happens when you spoil the brats too much - they keep asking for more. More. And even more.

Daddy, but you MUST buy me this toy or I'll cry! Mommmy!

For someone like me who has many titles to complete and who feels that GW2 is looming closer and closer and faster than i can now get these titles done, sometimes the runners are a godsend.
I know they wasnt everyones idea of playing the game,and many still chose to play it as it was meant to be played even when the runners were in abundance, but for me it was a respite from always doing it the harder way.

Now that choice has been taken from the game and i do miss it.

I Vanquished all of EOTN and did all nm (and some HM) dungeons with H/H, The rest of the dungeons HM i completed with my guild or pugs with balenced teams. Not a perma or 600 in site !

Exept for Slavers but thats an elite dungeon, I did those as soon as eotn came out and used old school obi tank builds for that.

I dont really know what you are moaming about.

Roll a rit, SoS + a couple extra spirits + painful bond is hella overpowered and can make short work of nearly any foe. Throw some heroes and henchies on top that and nothing can stand in your way. Or don't roll a rit and just bring one of the Rit heroes to do it for you. Either way piece of cake.

Wow, I didn't realise people actually struggled with NM/HM PvE. So far everything I have done has been rolled so easily with myself as either critscythe/critspear/critbow and Sabway heroes along with 4 henchman. So far only 1 thing stopped me, and that was Vloxen Excavations HM....yea never attempt that on your own. But seriously, with the right h/h and being smart anything can be done so damn easily.

MY point was the guild im in lost 50% of its members after the nerf..unfortunate for the guild ...tough luck others might say...but it happened and they didnt just move on to another guild..they quit GW.

As for the pugs go to doomlore or umbral and try get one..hardly anyone there now whereas it was always full.

All im saying is the nerf has obviously pleased some ppl but it has also displeased others, ppl had a choice whether to use runners or not, therefor I feel it should of been left alone.
OFC this is purely my opinion and im sure many others feel the same so i felt the need to have my whinge.

Yeah i know what your saying,
My guild has dwindled alot recently and old friends no longer play. But this isnt because of nerfs to SF or 600, its because they have max HoM and GWAMM and have completed everything, and they all went to other new and fun games because gw became boring.
No real new content and tired of old quests people have been doing for almost 5 years.
Horrible pugs and bad skill updates (im not just talking about SF or 600)
There is alot of reasons people dont play anymore. you cant just put it down to one skill update.
The 600 SF nerf wasnt to blame.
If Anet didnt make it easy to run and farm dungeons in the first place people wouldnt mind pugging a dungeon the hard way now. Also, better end chest drops would make people play them more. There is just no need to play a hour or more in a dungeon to get a crappy q13 gold drop.

some good points here commander thank you...but i was just starting to learn playing the 600 in DOA when this nerf came about, so you could probably say sour grapes on my behalf...and you'd probably be right.
but ive been playing gw for 4 years now and starting the 600 monk for me was new and gave me new interest in the game as it was becoming a little stale.now i got to find something else again.

yea yea i know tough luck! but it doesnt stop me from feeling gutted.

i did all eotn nm + hm with just another human so 2 human + 6 heroes no conset no sf go learn to play

and for all i incule slayer and vloxen HM

I don't agree 100% with the recent updates,but I never got a run for anything other than Gate Of Madness once. Its so boring,i dont buy a game for ppl to play it for me. Its no fun,and since almost everyone did it,everyone is leaving (the ones that did it have nothing else to do,the ones that didn't can't find help).

Most of GW is hero/henchable. It isn't as fun but...well its an old game.

You can always join a high-end guild that does DOA,Urgoz,Fow,UW,etc and shiz,its groups where (not always everyone) you have humans so its fun.Doesn't get repetitive unless you over do it

I hear yah about the updates and such.. it really killed runs and things like that(and for the most part alot of selling consets ;p). But, now alot of ppl go do FoWSC and UWSC and such.... but yea. eotn was may favorite"campaign"(i call it a campaign even tho its just an exspansion), so i really do miss all the ppl.

1. use decent builds for heroes
2. pop a conset + summoning stone
3. good game

Guess what? it's called HARD mode for a reason...and it's not what some might think....


there is no reason though that you can't sit and do it yourself...quit your QQing

I think what they really need to do is make the Paragon viable outside of the Imbagon. The class is almost nothing compared to the other classes.

On topic though, I wholly agree with you. I can't find groups at all anymore.