Update - Friday, May 14, 2010

Orual Fox

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2007

Here

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare] Alliance

R/

and fixed. Apparently I just had to run GW with Admin rights. who da thunk

Black Metal

Black Metal

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2009

N/

I think it was to nerf FC blood/air spiking in GvG.......or something

byteme!

byteme!

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

On Earth

W/P

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smarty View Post
Not impressed with mesmers being unable to FC secondary profession/PvE skills when this update goes ahead. What's the reasoning behind that nerf, exactly?
In PvE Fast Casting was a joke. Now FC has the ability to reduce recharge. The nerf is negligible but the buff however suddenly makes Mesmer primaries viable.

Apok

Apok

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sante_Kelm View Post
While they're at it, they should make it so sins can only crit with daggers, eles require ele skills on their bars to get bonus energy and expertise only affects ranger skills.
You've no idea how better the game would be with these changes...


Seriously, FC is not the only vice the Mesmer has. "omg, it can cast stuff 33% faster." Yeah, so can my ele with Mindbender, or any rock candy, or a 40/40 set. I am glad that Mesmers are not allowed in most pugs; anything that a pug calls "useful", I call "boring and repetitive".

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbo Ginsu View Post
So please, explain again what benefits that change to FC will bring to Mesmers. Benefits.
You just got a free elite skill on your bar and you're crying?

How is the nerf going to harm you? You'll spam Necrosis slower? Seriously.

You're going to be playing with skills from the primary after the coming update.

Turbo Ginsu

Turbo Ginsu

I despise facebook

Join Date: Feb 2008

Australia

Meeting of the Lost Minds

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Alvito View Post
You just got a free elite skill on your bar and you're crying?

How is the nerf going to harm you? You'll spam Necrosis slower? Seriously.

You're going to be playing with skills from the primary after the coming update.
I love how every time I ask a question I'm immediately "Crying". I'm not crying, just asking. I can see how it'll benefit the mes to get shortened recharges, yes. I apologize for what may have appeared to be an alarmed reaction, however it still seems evident that certain Mes builds will still gain a damn sight more from it than others, which will only feel the whack of the unchanged sub-2 sec cast times, i.e. not being able to rattle as much off in the same short timeframe as they do now.

k? ty.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jayson View Post
The update also includes a new secret river passage to an Asuran lab west of Divinity Coast. I followed G.O.X and Zimm to the spot days before. Head north from the Shining Blade camp till you get to a collecter (Ember Whisperwind).

The passage is there
Confirmed..it's the eastern collector in talmark, not the western which looks to be more likely to be an asuran lab entrance (waterfall in one spot, little shrine in another)

Mesmers Are Bad

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2008

NJ

RoCk

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by A11Eur0 View Post
Confirmed..it's the eastern collector in talmark, not the western which looks to be more likely to be an asuran lab entrance (waterfall in one spot, little shrine in another)





Hmmm now who could that large blue guy on the table be.....

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

Looks like Blimm's charging a power crystal...who's the "blue guy" you're referring to?

fowlero

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

England, UK

We Are The One And Only [rR]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbo Ginsu View Post
So please, explain again what benefits that change to FC will bring to Mesmers. Benefits.
There aren't any. There aren't supposed to be.

It's a pvp orientated change (assuming it does get implemented) to stop things just being run on mesmers to make them difficult to interupt. Whereas the skills themselves are balanced for their own profession (arguably).

You're getting a bunch of buffs don't worry, there's been plenty of leaks on the mesmer buffs.

Mesmers Are Bad

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2008

NJ

RoCk

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by A11Eur0 View Post
Looks like Blimm's charging a power crystal...who's the "blue guy" you're referring to?
Sorry for the poor quality screen but i think I'd rather let you guys see it for yourselves.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesmers Are Bad View Post
Sorry for the poor quality screen but i think I'd rather let you guys check it out for yourselves.
I saw it...and it's energy flowing from the pedestal into a blue-white floating diamond, which I'm assuming is a power crystal. Again, what "blue guy" are you referring to?

Oh wait...I see(r) it now. Weird.

Mesmers Are Bad

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2008

NJ

RoCk

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by A11Eur0 View Post
I saw it...and it's energy flowing from the pedestal into a blue-white floating diamond, which I'm assuming is a power crystal. Again, what "blue guy" are you referring to?

Oh wait...I see(r) it now. Weird.
I was about to ask if you were infused or just confused:P

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesmers Are Bad View Post
I was about to ask if you were infused or just confused:P
Both...this seems pretty sinister IMO. Can't wait to see this flesh out.

jayson

jayson

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

Definately looks like the Asura are up to no good in that lab.

NeferJackal

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2007

Interesting leaked change to Fast Casting, as I expected it added decreased recharge. And I like that its Mesmer skills only, places less of an emphasis on PvE skills being a terrible must for a mesmer, especially with all the upcomming yummy buffs.

I could see Cry of Pain getting a resurgence when coupled with Cry of Frustration.

Janlijm

Janlijm

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2008

Lowlandlions

N/

Blimm is experimenting on a Seer. Blue light is the electricity.

Proof:

Chronos the Defiler

Chronos the Defiler

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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There are also Enforcers roaming outside the laboratory (in the explorable) which are not there in the mission...so hmm

Apok

Apok

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2010

What baffles me is how an Asuran got his hands on a member of a near extinct species...

zelgadissan

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

Sorry to interrupt from the WiK stuff, but I just had another thought, and I'm wondering if anybody can answer this for me, or if I'm just an idiot and don't understand game mechanics (probably the latter)

When does the check for Fast Casting reductions actually take effect? For example, say my Me/N is about to cast Parasitic Bond (1 sec cast) on a monk with Holy Veil. Does the Holy Veil effect hit first, or does the Fast Casting? If it's Veil, that would bump the cast to 2 seconds which Fast Casting would then decrease. Similar questions could be asked for anything that modifies casting times, whether Arcane Conundrum or Red Rock Candies.

vader

vader

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

P/W

The Gate Guard in Lion's Arch doesn't do anything for me when I talk to him:



How do you get to the new area?

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by zelgadissan View Post
Sorry to interrupt from the WiK stuff, but I just had another thought, and I'm wondering if anybody can answer this for me, or if I'm just an idiot and don't understand game mechanics (probably the latter)

When does the Fast Casting actually take effect? For example, say my Me/N is about to cast Parasitic Bond (1 sec cast) on a monk with Holy Veil. Does the Holy Veil effect hit first, or does the Fast Casting? If it's Veil, that would bump the cast to 2 seconds which Fast Casting would then decrease. Similar questions could be asked for anything that modifies casting times, whether Arcane Conundrum or Red Rock Candies.
fast cast is applied upon casting the spell...then holy veil takes effect.

Quote:
Originally Posted by vader View Post
The Gate Guard in Lion's Arch doesn't do anything for me when I talk to him:


How do you get to the new area?
Answer me this: would it make sense to see a part of a storyline before the events that led to it? Food for thought.

ilr

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2010

[Abandoned acct]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra View Post
Heya, just wanted to clarify that there were no Mesmer changes in this game update. Incorrect text was included in the game update by mistake. This text error will be corrected. Sorry about all the confusion!
It's not the too-early nature of the description you should be sorry about...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Apok View Post
Could you, then, I don't know, just put in the change instead of correcting the text? Would be appropriate and a lot of players would love it.
...only if they're fooking morons

zelgadissan

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by A11Eur0 View Post
fast cast is applied upon casting the spell...then holy veil takes effect.
That was my assumption (thanks for the info), but how do we actually know that? With the current FC, whichever one takes effect first will end up with the same result.

I'm assuming then the correct order of operations is Fast Casting -> HCT mods -> skill effect modifiers (Veil/Migraine/Healer's Boon/etc.)?

Ninja Ninja

Ninja Ninja

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesmers Are Bad View Post





Hmmm now who could that large blue guy on the table be.....
Quote:
Originally Posted by vader View Post
The Gate Guard in Lion's Arch doesn't do anything for me when I talk to him:



How do you get to the new area?
You should edit your name out of party window in the screenshot.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra View Post
Heya, just wanted to clarify that there were no Mesmer changes in this game update. Incorrect text was included in the game update by mistake. This text error will be corrected. Sorry about all the confusion!
Your able to answer this thread in the first day but still no comment on the botting petition thread with 24 pages+

Sankt Hallvard

Guest

Join Date: Dec 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja View Post
You should edit your name out of party window in the screenshot.
Why?
zwolfkaraktarz.

Ninja Ninja

Ninja Ninja

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sankt Hallvard View Post
Why?
zwolfkaraktarz.
Account security

ilr

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2010

[Abandoned acct]

Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxBat View Post
Free mantra of recall on the coming absurdly buffed mesmer skills?
/fail ....Mantra of Recall is the one that gives you Energy, not recharge.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Alvito View Post
You just got a free elite skill on your bar and you're crying?
No skill that only buffed recharge of memser spells would ever be classified as an Elite.
Recovery buffed ALL spells ...or atleast it used to, it probably won't anymore...

Sankt Hallvard

Guest

Join Date: Dec 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja View Post
Account security
Hm. I was just about to say that guru lists people with character name anyway, but I just noticed that that option has been removed. (I guess)

Thanks.

MrGuildBoi

MrGuildBoi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by A11Eur0 View Post
Answer me this: would it make sense to see a part of a storyline before the events that led to it? Food for thought.
hmmm, i finished prophecies and saw the trial. what else do i need to do to get in??

Apok

Apok

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by ilr View Post
It's not the too-early nature of the description you should be sorry about...


...only if they're fooking morons

And tell me, good sir, why they would be "fooking" morons for changing an abusive primary attribute into a balanced primary attribute?

Eragon Zarroc

Eragon Zarroc

Atra estern?? ono thelduin

Join Date: Jan 2008

Madness Incarnate

[Duo]

W/P

ummmm, so is something happening in lions arch then?

vader

vader

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrGuildBoi View Post
hmmm, i finished prophecies and saw the trial. what else do i need to do to get in??
That's what I was wondering but, of course, I get a cryptic reply to my question. I can only guess that you have to listen to all of the new dialog that takes place at the Shning Blade camp.

-Makai-

-Makai-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2007

WA

DH

Rt/

Am I having a mental block today, or is this new?

MrGuildBoi

MrGuildBoi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

A/

^yeah i just noticed that today too!

Quote:
Originally Posted by vader View Post
That's what I was wondering but, of course, I get a cryptic reply to my question. I can only guess that you have to listen to all of the new dialog that takes place at the Shning Blade camp.
yeah i actually asked in LA and people were telling me to listen to all of the dialogue in the camp

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrGuildBoi View Post
hmmm, i finished prophecies and saw the trial. what else do i need to do to get in??
saw the trial, saw all dialogues in the shining blade camp, then saw thackeray leave eotn with Langmar. That last bit is important.

Lysinc

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2009

Awesome. Now with the decrease recharge time, I can upkeep Stoneflesh Aura without Signet of Illusions for Raptor farming. Mesmer will also have superior energy management now and double the energy denial. 27e every 10 seconds and 9e loss every 10 seconds. Nice.

I just don't like the "Fast Casting decreases the activation time of your Spells and Signets. (No effect for non- Mesmer skills with an activation time less then 2 seconds.)" That is so unfair. They're nerfing Mesmer to play Mesmer only in PvP. Might as well make it so warrior don't have the armor penetration in non-warrior professions, necromancers can only gain energy with allied death, ranger only have reduced energy management with ranger skills, etc for PvP.

zelgadissan

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lysinc View Post
Awesome. Now with the decrease recharge time, I can upkeep Stoneflesh Aura without Signet of Illusions for Raptor farming.
Quote:
Originally Posted by update text
In PvE, each rank of Fast Casting decreases the recharge time for your Mesmer Spells by 3%.
Agreed on the second half of your post. You were being sarcastic, though. I'm not.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lysinc View Post
Might as well make it so warrior don't have the armor penetration in non-warrior professions, necromancers can only gain energy with allied death, ranger only have reduced energy management with ranger skills, etc for PvP.
Yes. It would have been far better to wreck these primary attributes than half the skills in the game. (well the ones that matter anyway. Lol armor penetration and SR in PvP)

Seriously at least half the nerfs in GW come from primary attribute abuse, and the nerfs usually leaves the classes poorer off for it.

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

Wish my computer wasn't so dead so that I could actually view this new content.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja View Post
Your able to answer this thread in the first day but still no comment on the botting petition thread with 24 pages+
You have to be pretty dense to not realize why that is.