Update - Friday, May 21, 2010

lemming

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

Update - Friday, May 21, 2010
Skill Balance

For more information on these changes, please see the Developer Updates page.

Fast Casting

* Fast Casting: functionality of this attribute changed to: "Fast Casting decreases the activation time of your Spells and Signets. (No effect for non-Mesmer skills with an activation time less than 2 seconds.) In PvE, each rank of Fast Casting decreases the recharge time for your Mesmer Spells by 3%."


Activation Time Cap

* Items and skills that improve skill activation time can no longer stack higher than 25%. Single effects that improve skill activation over 25% can exceed this cap. (Fast Casting is not included in this cap.)


PvE and PvP Changes

Assassin

* Seeping Wound: increased Energy cost to 15; increased recharge to 12 seconds; reduced movement-speed decrease to 33%.

Elementalist

* Blinding Flash: increased recharge to 6 seconds.
* Blinding Surge: increased recharge to 6 seconds; increased blind duration to 3...7...8.
* Mirror of Ice: changed duration to 36...55...60 seconds; duration is no longer affected by Energy Storage.

Mesmer

* Arcane Conundrum: added the following functionality: "When this hex ends, you gain 1...6...7 Energy."
* Aneurysm: added the following functionality: for each point of Energy gained by the target foe, all adjacent foes lose 1 Energy (maximum 1...24...30).
* Chaos Storm: changed functionality to: "Spell. Create a Chaos Storm at target foe's location that lasts for 10 seconds. Each second, foes adjacent to this location take 5...21...25 damage and lose 0...2...2 Energy."
* Clumsiness: reduced recharge to 8 seconds.
* Complicate: changed functionality to: "Spell. If target foe is using a skill, that skill is interrupted and disabled for target foe and all foes in the area for an additional 5...11...12 seconds."
* Cry of Frustration: increased damage to 15...63...75.
* Energy Surge: reduced Energy cost to 5; reduced recharge to 15 seconds.
* Fevered Dreams: increased recharge to 10 seconds; the Dazed condition is now applied both at the time this hex is cast—if the target has 2 or more conditions—and whenever the target receives 2 or more conditions.
* Hypochondria: reduced recharge to 7 seconds; updated description to reflect its actual behavior.
* Ineptitude: reduced recharge to 15 seconds; now also hexes adjacent foes.
* Keystone Signet: changed attribute to Fast Casting; reduced recharge to 15 seconds; changed functionality to: "Elite Signet. All of your signets except Keystone Signet are recharged. For 20 seconds, the next 0...5...6 times you use a signet that targets a foe, all other foes adjacent to your target are interrupted and take 15...51...60 damage."
* Leech Signet: reduced recharge to 20 seconds.
* Mantra of Inscriptions:reduced duration to 5...21...25 seconds; reduced recharge improvement to 10...34...40%.
* Mantra of Persistence: reduced duration to 5...21...25 seconds, reduced Energy cost to 5; reduced hex duration increase to 10...34...40%.
* Mantra of Recall: increased recharge to 30 seconds.
* Mantra of Recovery: reduced recharge to 15 seconds.
* Mind Wrack: changed duration to 5...33...40 seconds; increased damage to target at 0 energy to 15...83...100; added the following functionality: "Whenever that foe is the target of one of your Mesmer skills, that foe loses 1 Energy and takes 5...21...25 damage per point of Energy lost."
* Overload: increased recharge to 4 seconds; changed functionality to: "Spell. Target foe takes 5...33...40 damage. If that foe is using a skill, you deal +5...41...50 damage to that foe and all adjacent foes."
* Panic: reduced Energy cost to 10; increased recharge to 15 seconds; changed functionality to "Elite Hex Spell. For 1...8...10 seconds, target foe and all nearby foes are hexed with Panic. When a foe hexed with Panic successfully uses a skill, all other nearby foes are interrupted."
* Phantom Pain: reduced Energy cost to 5; increased Health degeneration to 1...3...4.
* Power Lock: reduced Energy cost to 5.
* Power Return: increased recharge to 7 seconds.
* Shatter Enchantment: reduced recharge to 20 seconds.
* Signet of Disruption: reduced recharge to 15 seconds.
* Signet of Distraction: reduced recharge to 15 seconds.
* Signet of Weariness: changed functionality to: "Signet. Target foe and all nearby foes lose 3...7...8 Energy and suffer from Weakness for 1...8...10 seconds."
* Soothing Images: increased recharge to 8 seconds.
* Spirit Shackles: increased recharge to 8 seconds.
* Sum of All Fears: reduced duration to 1...8...10; increased speed reduction to 33%.
* Symbolic Celerity: increased duration to 36...55...60; increased Energy cost to 15; increased recharge to 30; changed functionality to: "Enchantment Spell. For 36...55...60 seconds, all of your signets use your Fast Casting attribute instead of their normal attributes."
* Tease: changed functionality to: "Elite Spell. If target foe is using a skill, that foe and other foes in the area are interrupted and you steal 0...4...5 Energy from all foes in the area."
* Wastrel's Worry: now also deals its damage to all adjacent foes.
* Web of Disruption: reduced Energy cost to 5.

Necromancer

* Spoil Victor: reduced duration to 3...13...15.


PvE-Only Changes

Mesmer

* Accumulated Pain: reduced Energy cost to 5; reduced recharge to 12 seconds; increased damage to 15...63...75.
* Calculated Risk: increased duration to 3...20...24 seconds; reduced Energy cost to 5; reduced recharge to 7 seconds; changed functionality to: "Hex Spell. For 3...20...24 seconds, target foe's attacks do +10 damage, but there is a 50% chance that the damage from each attack will be done to that foe instead. (Maximum 15...100 damage.)"
* Crippling Anguish: reduced Energy cost to 5; reduced recharge to 12 seconds; increased Health degeneration to 1...7...8; changed duration to 5...17...20; added the following functionality: target foe attacks 50% slower.
* Cry of Pain: increased recharge to 15 seconds.
* Empathy: added the following functionality: target foe deals 1...12...15 less damage with attacks.
* Enchanter's Conundrum: reduced recharge to 10 seconds; increased casting penalty for enchantments to 100...180...200%; changed functionality to: "Elite Hex Spell. For 10 seconds, target foe casts enchantments 100...180...200% slower. If target foe is not under the effects of an enchantment when this hex is applied, that foe and all adjacent foes take 10...82...100 damage."
* Energy Drain: increased recharge to 30 seconds.
* Energy Tap: increased recharge to 30 seconds.
* Ether Nightmare: increased recharge to 25 seconds.
* Frustration: reduced recharge to 7 seconds; this skill now deals double damage whenever a skill is interrupted.
* Illusionary Weaponry: added the following functionality: you have +5 armor for each Illusion Magic skill you have equipped.
* Mantra of Signets: reduced cost to 5 Energy; reduced recharge to 20 seconds; changed functionality to: "Stance. For 10...34...40 seconds, you have +3 armor for each signet you have equipped. Whenever you use a signet, 5...49...60 Health."
* Migraine: increased Health degeneration to 1...7...8; reduced recharge to 12 seconds; changed functionality to: "Elite Hex Spell. For 5...17...20 seconds, target foe suffers -1...7...8 Health degeneration and takes 100% longer to activate skills."
* Mirror of Disenchantment: reduced Energy cost to 5; reduced recharge to 15 seconds.
* Mistrust: reduced recharge to 12 seconds; increased damage to 30...114...135.
* Psychic Instability: increased recharge to 12 seconds; changed functionality to: "Elite Spell. Interrupts the target foe's action. If that action is a skill, that foe and all nearby foes are knocked down for 2...4...4 seconds. (50% failure chance with Fast Casting 4 or less.)"
* Shared Burden: reduced Energy cost to 5; reduced recharge to 15 seconds; increased slow percentage to 50%.
* Shatter Delusions: reduced recharge to 6 seconds; now deals damage to adjacent foes.
* Signet of Clumsiness: reduced recharge to 8 seconds; changed functionality to: "Signet. If target foe is attacking, that foe and all adjacent foes are interrupted and take 15...51...60 damage. Any foes using attack skills are knocked down."
* Spiritual Pain: reduced Energy cost to 5; reduced recharge to 7 seconds; changed functionality to: "Spell. Target foe takes 15...63...75 damage. All hostile summoned creatures in the area of that foe take 25...105...125 damage."
* Stolen Speed: increased recharge to 12 seconds; changed functionality to: "Elite Hex Spell. For 1...8...10 seconds, spells cast by the target foe and all adjacent foes take 100% longer to cast. Spells targeting these foes that are cast by you or your allies take 50% less time to cast."
* Unnatural Signet: reduced recharge to 10 seconds; changed functionality to: "Signet. Target foe takes 15...63...75 damage. If that foe is under the effects of a hex or enchantment, foes adjacent to your target take 5...41...50 damage."
* Wandering Eye: reduced Energy cost to 5; increased recharge time to 12 seconds; increased damage dealt to 30...94...110.

Common Skills

* Mindbender: reduced spell activation time decrease to 20%.

Consumable Items

* Blue Rock Candy: reduced skill activation time decrease to 20%.
* Pumpkin Pie: reduced skill activation time decrease to 15%.
* Red Rock Candy: reduced skill activation time decrease to 25%.


PvP-Only Changes

Elementalist

* Ward Against Melee (PvP): merged with PvE version; this skill now functions the same in PvE and PvP.

Mesmer

* Accumulated Pain (PvP): reduced energy cost to 5; reduced recharge to 15 seconds.
* Calculated Risk (PvP): increased duration to 3...10...12 seconds; increased recharge to 12 seconds, changed functionality to: "Hex spell. (3...10...12 seconds.) Target foe deals +10 damage. Whenever target foe hits with an attack, there is a 50% chance the damage will be redirected to that foe (maximum 10...60)."
* Crippling Anguish (PvP): increased health degeneration to 1...7...8; changed duration to 5...17...20; added the following functionality: target foe attacks 50% slower.
* Enchanter's Conundrum (PvP): increased casting penalty for enchantments to 100...180...200%; changed functionality to: "Elite Hex Spell. For 10 seconds, target foe casts enchantments 100...180...200% slower. If target foe is not under the effects of an enchantment when this hex is applied, that foe and all adjacent foes take 10...100 damage."
* Empathy (PvP): split for PvP; retains original functionality.
* Energy Drain (PvP): merged with PvE version; this skill now functions the same in PvE and PvP.
* Energy Tap (PvP): merged with PvE version; this skill now functions the same in PvE and PvP.
* Frustration (PvP): split for PvP; retains original functionality.
* Illusionary Weaponry (PvP): split for PvP; retains original functionality.
* Mantra of Inscriptions (PvP): merged with PvE version; this skill now functions the same in PvE and PvP.
* Mantra of Signets (PvP): reduced cost to 5 energy; reduced recharge to 20 seconds; changed functionality to: "Stance. For 10...34...40 seconds, whenever you use a signet, you gain 5...49...60 Health."
* Migraine (PvP): reduced recharge to 12; increased health degeneration to 1...7...8; reduced duration to 3...10...12 seconds; changed functionality to: "Elite Hex Spell. For 3...10...12 seconds, target foe suffers -1...7...8 Health degeneration and takes 100% longer to activate skills."
* Mirror of Disenchantment: split for PvP; retains original functionality.
* Mistrust (PvP): increased damage to 10...90...110.
* Psychic Instability (PvP): increased recharge to 12 seconds; changed functionality to: "Elite Spell. Interrupts the target foe's action. If that action is a skill, that foe and all adjacent foes are knocked down for 2...3...3 seconds. (50% failure chance with Fast Casting 4 or less.)"
* Shared Burden (PvP): split for PvP; retains original functionality.
* Shatter Delusions (PvP): now deals damage to adjacent foes.
* Signet of Clumsiness (PvP): reduced recharge to 12 seconds; changed functionality to: "Signet. If target foe is attacking, that foe and all adjacent foes are interrupted and take 15...51...60 damage. Any foes using attack skills are knocked down."
* Spiritual Pain (PvP): reduced Energy cost to 5; reduced recharge to 20 seconds; changed functionality to: "Spell. Target foe takes 15...63...75 damage. All hostile summoned creatures in the area of that foe take 25...105...125 damage."
* Stolen Speed (PvP): increased recharge to 12 seconds; changed functionality to: "Elite Hex Spell. For 1...8...10 seconds, spells cast by the target foe and all adjacent foes take 100% longer to cast. Spells you cast that target these foes take 50% less time to cast."
* Unnatural Signet (PvP): reduced recharge to 20 seconds; changed functionality to: "Signet. Target foe takes 15...63...75 damage. If that foe is under the effects of a hex or enchantment, foes adjacent to your target take 5...41...50 damage."
* Wandering Eye (PvP): increased recharge to 12 seconds.


Skill-Related Changes

* Hard Mode no longer affects monsters' activation speed for skills with default activation times under 2 seconds.
* Monsters in the Underworld and Fissure of Woe now have innate health regeneration in Hard Mode only.
* Monsters in the Underworld and Fissure of Woe now have reduced health totals in Hard Mode only.
* Improved the durability of King Frozenwind and his Ice Elemental allies in the quest "Servants of Grenth."
* Improved the skill bars of King Frozenwind and his Ice Elemental allies in the quest "Servants of Grenth."
* Reduced the number of Skeletons of Dhuum in the quest "Servants of Grenth."
* Reduced the number of Terrorweb Dryders in the quest "Four Horsemen."
* Improved the skill set used by Mindblade Specters in the Underworld.
* Improved the skill set used by Spectral Vaettir in Jaga Moraine.
* Improved the skill set used by Wind Riders in the Maguuma Jungle.


Bug Fixes

* Fixed a bug that caused Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support (NPC) to summon an incorrectly named Assassin.
* Fixed a bug that allowed characters with Shadow Form to exceed its damage cap with some skills.
* Fixed a bug that caused Sliver Armor to always deal damage to the same foe.
* Fixed a bug in the description for Symbol of Wrath by removing the reference to double damage.
* Fixed a bug that prevented Lawrence Crafton from using his custom skill.
* Fixed a bug that caused Shining Blade allies to occasionally use incorrect dialogue.

Supervillain

Supervillain

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

England

HML

W/

So everyone moves faster? WHAT DOES WHEEEEEEEE HAVE TO DO WITH MY GW!!!!!???

Polgara Val

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

TSR

Mo/Me

Couldent have said it better myself

Pol

Stranger The Ranger

Stranger The Ranger

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Those Netherlands

Dynasty Warriors [DW]

R/

http://www.guildwars.com/gameplay/de...l_balances.php

lishi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

steath UWSC nerf xD

tuna-fish_sushi

tuna-fish_sushi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

California

E/A

* Fixed a bug that caused Sliver Armor to always deal damage to the same foe.

Just used sliver armor to farm some mantids outside naphui and it is still working like normal.
All the damage focuses on one at a time.

Gennadios

Gennadios

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2009

N/A

They didn't f*** the paragon in this skill update? Inconceivable!

Atro

Atro

Miss the good ol' days

Join Date: Sep 2009

Where don't I live?

A/

I guess the update was ok, but sliver still works the same LOL

Winterclaw

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

W/

So they just nerfed a several mesmer skills in PvP because they increased the recharge of them... something that the PvP fast casting doesn't effect.

Overall I guess the changes are ok.

asb

asb

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

Europe

Me/

Haha, MoC + FC = super fast recharging interrupts. I really like this!

X Ghoul

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2009

IGN: X Ghoul

Mega M O R P H I N Power Ranger [pR]

Rt/W

Might as well call it the update that buffed the bots T____T

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Interrupt bots weren't already OP?

The other changes will take a little longer to digest.

FengShuiDove

FengShuiDove

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

A/

Wow.

That is all. Experimentation with Mesmers commence... now!

Dzjudz

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz

sliver armor nerfed for raptorfarming?

edit: nope, it still target one foe until it is dead. Or did they mean something else by that bug fix?

edit2: from developer page:
Quote:
We've also fixed a bug with Sliver Armor that caused all of its damage to target a single foe rather than randomly choosing one nearby foe each time it triggered.
Failed.

Cuilan

Cuilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2008

Me/

Overall I'm very pleased with the exception of the less than 2 second thing.

And Energy Tap...?

PoopStain

PoopStain

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2008

Your bowels

R/Mo

guess 40/40 wand/focus sets don't work ?

can't stack higher than 25% activation time anymore

Apollo Smile

Apollo Smile

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

[LORE]

E/Mo

Apparently some of the new White Mantle bosses drop greens now, intresting indeed.

fowlero

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

England, UK

We Are The One And Only [rR]

Quote:
Originally Posted by PoopStain View Post
guess 40/40 wand/focus sets don't work ?

can't stack higher than 25% activation time anymore
"Items and skills", not weapons. 40/40 still work the same.

Timey

Timey

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2009

Battle Toadz

Rt/

Theres also a quest in lions arch keep, or was that added before the update?

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

EPIC for mesmers

Kinda sad to see a nerf to blindspaming.... it's my favorite build. But it was OP so... shrug

Kinda makes me think A.net isn't going to hack away mesmers in GW2, just make their skills ridiculously more powerful

Gondrakif

Gondrakif

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2009

GMT +2

Quote:
Originally Posted by PoopStain View Post
guess 40/40 wand/focus sets don't work ?

can't stack higher than 25% activation time anymore
Items and skills that improve skill activation time can no longer stack higher than 25%. Single effects that improve skill activation over 25% can exceed this cap. (Fast Casting is not included in this cap.)

they still work (hct of wand and hct of focus are single effects)...

and yay for sw nerf!

PoopStain

PoopStain

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2008

Your bowels

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by fowlero View Post
"Items and skills", not weapons. 40/40 still work the same.
ah silly me thinking of weapons as items

StormDragonZ

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

Quote:
* Reduced the number of Terrorweb Dryders in the quest "Four Horsemen."
A lot of people are going to enjoy that.

Crippling Anguish is beyond terrifying now.

Im Tylenol

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2007

Mo/Me

Well sliver armor is now silently nerfed (in 2nd small update) it targets a random foe near you instead of stuck on 1 till dead

Meridon

Meridon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2008

Funny Business Inc [FBI]

Time to make myself some new good-looking hero builds for Mesmers.

Overall, not bad. I'm surprised you actually still delivered this week and not in another four weeks. The changes look nice, although I miss some updating for many of the other professions.

6,5/10

Dzjudz

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz

Psychic Instability is going on my mesmer hero bar. 4 sec aoe knockdown, lolwut?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Im Tylenol View Post
Well sliver armor is now silently nerfed (in 2nd small update) it targets a random foe near you instead of stuck on 1 till dead
Ah they read my post .

Del

Del

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2009

In a van, down by the river.

RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO if I know, ask Lynette.

R/

meh update. love shared burden though that plus other changes to illusion might make gwen halfway useful to bring on vqs. stolen speed could have done without a buff in pvp, seriously.

Meridon

Meridon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2008

Funny Business Inc [FBI]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzjudz View Post
Psychic Instability is going on my mesmer hero bar. 4 sec aoe knockdown, lolwut?
I'm thinking Keystone signet with a couple of maintained enchantments, and a buttload of signets, spam away!

(btw say hi for me on TS )

Desert Rose

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterclaw View Post
So they just nerfed a several mesmer skills in PvP because they increased the recharge of them... something that the PvP fast casting doesn't effect.
Properly because they rebuffed Manta of Recovery.

insta111

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2007

LOVE

N/

Wait, what's going to happen to FoW manlyspike?

sonofthort

sonofthort

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Legends Of Melee [SSBM]

Mo/

"Fixed a bug that prevented Lawrence Crafton from using his custom skill."

huh?

Lord Dagon

Lord Dagon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2009

Inside the Oblivion Gate

The Imperial Guards of Istan[TIGE]

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by lemming View Post
Update - Friday, May 21, 2010
Skill Balance


Consumable Items

* Blue Rock Candy: reduced skill activation time decrease to 20%.
* Pumpkin Pie: reduced skill activation time decrease to 15%.
* Red Rock Candy: reduced skill activation time decrease to 25%.

* Improved the skill set used by Spectral Vaettir in Jaga Moraine.

* Fixed a bug that caused Sliver Armor to always deal damage to the same foe.
well there goes my need to buy red rock cnadies(was gonan buy like 80 of them right before the update.. fate?)

im sensing a vaettir farming and raptor farming nerf.... ill get on this and check it >.<(darn u raptors now being preety much impossible i think now).

Voodoo Rage

Voodoo Rage

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

Sacramento, CA

Geezers

R/

Yep, Sliver is now officially dead. Massive scatter now.

ll Jamie ll

ll Jamie ll

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2009

Devon, England.

Desolation Lords [DL]

E/Mo

Woot, keystone sig finally gets to see some love. It's a pity theres a gramatical error! "Recharges all of other signets"

Yojimaru

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2009

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Im Tylenol View Post
Well sliver armor is now silently nerfed (in 2nd small update) it targets a random foe near you instead of stuck on 1 till dead
*Sigh* I guess my mesmer's days of raptor farming are over...

thelessa

thelessa

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Texas

Purple Puzycats

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Voodoo Rage View Post
Yep, Sliver is now officially dead. Massive scatter now.
Yep, just tried it and all they do now is scatter, oh well. I guess warrior/necro raptor farmer is all there is now, wonder when that will be nerfed.

Voodoo Rage

Voodoo Rage

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

Sacramento, CA

Geezers

R/

And Mindbender is no longer the "poor man's fast casting"...

TheGuildWarsPenguin

TheGuildWarsPenguin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Los Angeles, California

Picnic Pioneers

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yojimaru View Post
*Sigh* I guess my mesmer's/ele's days of raptor farming are over...
fixed asdfg.

Lhim

Lhim

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Rt/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Developer Update Notes
The recharge reduction (from Fast Casting) applies only to PvE. This is the first time we've given an attribute different behavior in PvE and PvP and it was not something we chose to do lightly. What we found, however, during the course of testing was that appropriate recharge times for control/disruption skills related directly to the pacing differences between PvE and PvP. It quickly became clear that applying this bonus in both PvE and PvP would require a minimum of 40 additional skill splits. At that point, we determined that having the bonus apply only to PvE was the right course of action.
How many splits did they create with the Rit update? Maybe not as much but still quite a lot.

wetwillyhip

wetwillyhip

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

USA, Southern California, Orange County

Tyrian Elements [TyE]

R/Mo

anyone try SF vaettir farming w/ the smite build???? does it not work anymore?!