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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude
It feels so wrong to agree with Borat, but yea support is quite often capricious, arbitrary and unwilling to admit when wrong.
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majoho
Killed u man
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Originally Posted by kaylaaka
in the Eula wouldnt Ventrillo or Teamspeak be deemed illegal since it provides an advantage?
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Programs which directly input your Guild Wars keystrokes, modify (enhance) them or which directly use the stream of data between the client and server are concidered third party programs.
Texmod and the drunkard bot fall under this category, and are therefore perfect grounds (albeit redicilous) of the bannable. Ventrillo, Mumble, TS3, ... aren't cuz they don't do any of the previous.
Opeth
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Originally Posted by fowlero
Oh. My. Days.
So many people in our ally have been banned lol. Nearly every single GvG guild has had someone banned. Impressive anet. |
edit: also the razor imperator mouse can be set to click/double click in one spot every X seconds.....
Oggy
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Originally Posted by To Chicken To Die
O GOD not this again. Next statement would be "But you can afk in nine ring to" Why don't you get it. Botting results in a ban end of the freaking story.
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krazyyaj
well that was garbage. ty for deleting botters.
but i doubt they actually found botters. i got banned too.
i didn't even bot. the only thing close to it is texmod "cartography made easy" and also some custom ones to make my char look different on my screen.
which isn't a bot.. its a modifier as said on here
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Texmod
i guess i got banned because i farmed in rata sum during the special drops weekends?
eh whatever. had a great run..
but i doubt they actually found botters. i got banned too.
i didn't even bot. the only thing close to it is texmod "cartography made easy" and also some custom ones to make my char look different on my screen.
which isn't a bot.. its a modifier as said on here
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Texmod
i guess i got banned because i farmed in rata sum during the special drops weekends?
eh whatever. had a great run..
Cuilan
I hope this banning of players didn't ban II Lucky Charm II. He/she was my favorite Guild Wars Guru troll.
snaek
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Originally Posted by Killed u man
Nope, they don't interract with the Guild Wars client. Using Voice Com is as much as using a phone or real life "lan" party commication.
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Ka Tet
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Originally Posted by majoho
Except everyone else aside from you and him knows what he did was against the rules, no matter how many times he brings it up it is clear that he was justly banned.
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Greed[Exs]
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Originally Posted by majoho
Except everyone else aside from you and him knows what he did was against the rules, no matter how many times he brings it up it is clear that he was justly banned.
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wind fire and ice
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Originally Posted by krazyyaj
well that was garbage. ty for deleting botters.
but i doubt they actually found botters. i got banned too. i didn't even bot. the only thing close to it is texmod "cartography made easy" and also some custom ones to make my char look different on my screen. which isn't a bot.. its a modifier as said on here http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Texmod i guess i got banned because i farmed in rata sum during the special drops weekends? eh whatever. had a great run.. |
C2Talon
Wait, I might actually get teamed with less bots more often in RA and JQ now? Awesome.
Regarding the drunkard bots, I seriously cannot believe some of you question whether they are considered a bot. That just blows my mind. Now, here's something that might blow your mind: why not just play the game and use the drinks while playing it? Amazing concept, no? There are even some skills that work with it. For those that PvP, you can drink right before zoning into the next match and not get the random annoying /sit, and other action-stopping emotes, during the match. It's easy enough to remember, and you might even catch yourself still trying to do it even after you finish the title.
If anything should be done with alcohol, 1 point alcohol should just be removed from the game. It's really a tedious waste of time and probably is part of the reason I can see for bots to even exist for drunkard. I know I had zero problems with using 3 point alcohol, but that was mostly because I only had to remember to click on it every once in a while, or right after my 3 minute Drunken Master skill ended, instead of staring at the title progress bar each minute to maximize time. Honestly, I feel sorry for those that actually do use the 1 point alcohol, but that still does not justify use of a bot to automate it — just use the 3 point ones if you don't like it.
Regarding the drunkard bots, I seriously cannot believe some of you question whether they are considered a bot. That just blows my mind. Now, here's something that might blow your mind: why not just play the game and use the drinks while playing it? Amazing concept, no? There are even some skills that work with it. For those that PvP, you can drink right before zoning into the next match and not get the random annoying /sit, and other action-stopping emotes, during the match. It's easy enough to remember, and you might even catch yourself still trying to do it even after you finish the title.
If anything should be done with alcohol, 1 point alcohol should just be removed from the game. It's really a tedious waste of time and probably is part of the reason I can see for bots to even exist for drunkard. I know I had zero problems with using 3 point alcohol, but that was mostly because I only had to remember to click on it every once in a while, or right after my 3 minute Drunken Master skill ended, instead of staring at the title progress bar each minute to maximize time. Honestly, I feel sorry for those that actually do use the 1 point alcohol, but that still does not justify use of a bot to automate it — just use the 3 point ones if you don't like it.
FlyMoto
For those who haven't understood the replies by the GM's (and what I would consider simple, obvious logic):
Using any third party program, under any circumstance, can get you a ban, even ones they say are currently 'safe'. What the GM's appear to do is NOT specifically target certain programs - meaning they are not going to make an effort to ban you for them. BUT you have still broken the EULA if you have used them.
You do NOT need to have your titles maxed. If you want them maxed, you CAN max them without a bot. If you don't want to go through the effort, tough. IMO, even the likes of TexMod is an unfair advantage (when it comes to Cartography titles).
Oh, and those who comment about the 'losses' we had because rare mini's were banned or whatever should just be happy to know that those people using unfair advantages to get those are gone.
Using any third party program, under any circumstance, can get you a ban, even ones they say are currently 'safe'. What the GM's appear to do is NOT specifically target certain programs - meaning they are not going to make an effort to ban you for them. BUT you have still broken the EULA if you have used them.
You do NOT need to have your titles maxed. If you want them maxed, you CAN max them without a bot. If you don't want to go through the effort, tough. IMO, even the likes of TexMod is an unfair advantage (when it comes to Cartography titles).
Oh, and those who comment about the 'losses' we had because rare mini's were banned or whatever should just be happy to know that those people using unfair advantages to get those are gone.
To Chicken To Die
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well that was garbage. ty for deleting botters.
but i doubt they actually found botters. i got banned too. i didn't even bot. the only thing close to it is texmod "cartography made easy" and also some custom ones to make my char look different on my screen. which isn't a bot.. its a modifier as said on here http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Texmod i guess i got banned because i farmed in rata sum during the special drops weekends? eh whatever. had a great run.. |
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Originally Posted by Lolwut1337
I'm sure that many deserved their ban , but some were unfairly banned . So whoever wants to prove A-net their account has never had bot on it is free to e-mail them . I also have a question : I have NEVER used bots in GW , but does that message mean my acc is finished and I can't get it back , EVER ?
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ManlyMan
NOOOOO WHAT HAVE YOU DONE ANET ?!>!??! THE LUX SIDE OF JQ WILL BE SO EMPTY NOW !!!
I still haven't finished my kurzik title...now the wait times are gonna be longer ;_;
also lol @ botters qq'ing.
I still haven't finished my kurzik title...now the wait times are gonna be longer ;_;
also lol @ botters qq'ing.
To Chicken To Die
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Originally Posted by Oggy
This thread is so far over your head it's amazing.
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O wait thats what you did all the time about the drunkbot to
Uriel_Wolfblood
That is the most epic way to eliminate botters I have ever seen.
Little Shenanigan
it is nice to see that anet has made an effort to eliminate bots in games, even though it is possible that some may have been (accidentally?) banned for using texmod or ksmod.
epic way of doing it too!
epic way of doing it too!
sixdartbart
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Originally Posted by ManlyMan
NOOOOO WHAT HAVE YOU DONE ANET ?!>!??! THE LUX SIDE OF JQ WILL BE SO EMPTY NOW !!!
I still haven't finished my kurzik title...now the wait times are gonna be longer ;_; also lol @ botters qq'ing. |
Now some of us loyal luxons will be happy to return and kick your arse since the bot plague has been cured.
My Necro will be SOOOO happy to have a reason to play again!!!
majoho
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Originally Posted by Greed[Exs]
It's funny that not only do you speak for an entire community (you are one person, everyone else can speak for themselves), but apparently they all "know" as well. Well in this case, that would demand proof from each and every one of you. You don't "know" anything, the sad fact is he is right, some people do get banned unjustly, and although some of these accounts are restored not all are. In a scenario where the boundaries are undefined, punishment is based on an unknown variable. I'm not speaking for this person because for all I know, he very well could have done something wrong, but I don't know, and neither do you regardless of your claims.
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Clone
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Originally Posted by windtalker
On PvE: I think what we are really seeing is a complete failure, on the part of ANet, to follow through with their statements. Guild Wars was the "no-grind" game. It then became a "grind" game. Since people who bought the game liked the idea of being at the same level as others without grind, they began to search for ways to shorten the "grind".
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Anyways, I'm off to play something less frustrating, like a half broken survival horrer game made in the former Soviet Union.
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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
"But officer, every other car was speeding on the interstate too"
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I think that for a fair few of the banned, this may not be too bad a thing. You know, cold turkey and all that. Addiction would be the driving force behind the majority IMO, addiction to gaming, addiction to GW, money, the making of money, prestige, power... All these things are addictive, all these things are part of GW, so for those who are suffering from it, be it apparent to them or not, a wall between them and their addiction at least gives them the opportunity to have 30 seconds or so of fresh air to clear their thoughts, perhaps give them the mirror or introspection with regards to their addiction and the activities it has led them to.
Just a thought.
Charlie Dayman
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Originally Posted by Darcy
Thank you. My PvP consists of JQ and botters make it a misery to play. So, just Thank You.
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dusanyu
hey a net you finally earned em!
Bob Slydell
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Originally Posted by sixdartbart
Nope
Now some of us loyal luxons will be happy to return and kick your arse since the bot plague has been cured. My Necro will be SOOOO happy to have a reason to play again!!! |
Martin Alvito
Play Mind Surge. No interrupts. Ludicrously OP in casual arenas.
vamp08
Uh-oh, has KSMod and its UT99 sound injector betrayed me?
sixdartbart
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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell
I seriously am considering to bring my PvP Mesmer out of hiatus. I really want to play PvP with him again but I don't want to risk being reported by some child scrubs and then get banned for being a legit guy.
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Last week one of my guildies logged back in {my guild list all reads 2 years since last online so it was a bit of a shock to say the least
} Well he was the first person I met in GWs and hands down one of the best mesmers to have played the game, My first peice of advise was not to play full speed or he would get reported for being a bot. 
I know there has been a ton of this bot crap going on but people need to realize that some of the really good players can be frustrating as hell and just because they do things you aren't use to doesn't mean they are cheating...
jonnieboi05
As per this:
Does Arena.Net have any response to this particular mod? It's .dll injecting just like KSMod but deals with packets to produce a client side-only /rank /zrank /aion.
When I saw the youtube link I've always wondered if that was considered bannable or not since it's not giving any form of unfair advantage.
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Do the UT99 sounds deal with packet manipulation? My first guess would be "yes" since it has to detect deaths but don't quote me on that since I am not entirely sure. I AM, however, curious what aNet's stand is against packet manipulation (like in the example on the top half of my post).
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Texmod won't get you banned. That is a client side only mod, and doesn't have ANYTHING to do with packet manipulation. So, if you are claiming you were banned for using Texmod... I call shenanigans
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Does Arena.Net have any response to this particular mod? It's .dll injecting just like KSMod but deals with packets to produce a client side-only /rank /zrank /aion.
When I saw the youtube link I've always wondered if that was considered bannable or not since it's not giving any form of unfair advantage.
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Uh-oh, has KSMod and its UT99 sound injector betrayed me?
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The Scorpion Knight
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KZaske
I want to say thank you to ANet for this mass ban.
Emperor Bush
I'm so glad I'm too stupid to figure out how bots work. If I were smarter, my account would so totally be banned right now. Being stupid pays off in the weirdest ways.
GWfan#1
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Travaail
i will point out for those interested: in certain countries such as the netherlands and the UK they can not legally permanently ban you do to various parts of the intellectual property laws...so i suggest pointing that out to support unless they wish to be in violation of laws. in the US i will point out that this is a viable (and has successfully litigated precedents) cause for a law suit because the game is essentially the purchase of a right to access a product and as the game is not a "pay to play" game there is no "service' according to US law which can be legally terminated. the "access" to guildwars is a solely owned (by the game purchaser) property whereas the game itself belongs to anet or whoever has the intellectual property rights..which means that termination of access is a violation of intellectual property laws..anyone who actually cares enough i would suggest contacting an intellectual property law firm. In these situations citing precedent is usually enough.
now i will say that i do not support botting or violating EULA, but only pointing out the loopholes that currently exist in IP law. (or in the case of the netherlands and UK firm laws protecting consumer rights) i'm sure arena net would highly disagree with the ideas i suggested but..the law is the law whether or not it is a just law is another story.
and yes sadly this would mean that no one could be "legally banned" in certain countries but the opinion of those nation's governing bodies was that a "lawfully and rightfully obtained product cannot be legally denied to the consumer unless in violation of law" and if the product itself was access not ownership of the game then denying access regardless of a EULA that only regards the gameplay and not the access is not lawful..
something to think about~ and if interested in possible legal recourse i suggest googling class action intellectual property rights.
now i will say that i do not support botting or violating EULA, but only pointing out the loopholes that currently exist in IP law. (or in the case of the netherlands and UK firm laws protecting consumer rights) i'm sure arena net would highly disagree with the ideas i suggested but..the law is the law whether or not it is a just law is another story.
and yes sadly this would mean that no one could be "legally banned" in certain countries but the opinion of those nation's governing bodies was that a "lawfully and rightfully obtained product cannot be legally denied to the consumer unless in violation of law" and if the product itself was access not ownership of the game then denying access regardless of a EULA that only regards the gameplay and not the access is not lawful..
something to think about~ and if interested in possible legal recourse i suggest googling class action intellectual property rights.
majoho
^ is mistaken, I've seen that posted before (usually on WoW forums) and I've yet to see anyone actually win such a case.
You don't own your account, you have the right to use your account while you abide by the rules of the game, if you can't do that your right to use your account can be taken away.
You don't own your account, you have the right to use your account while you abide by the rules of the game, if you can't do that your right to use your account can be taken away.
Shayne Hawke
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The /report command goes to Customer Support. We provided other options, like the email ([email protected]) or the web interface, to make it easier for players to report issues.
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Ka Tet
^would that be because you've never actually seen one of those cases, so by extension, you have also not seen anyone lose one of those cases?
majoho
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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude
^would that be because you've never actually seen one of those cases, so by extension, you have also not seen anyone lose one of those cases?
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or are you just trolling?
Travaail
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Originally Posted by majoho
^ is mistaken, I've seen that posted before (usually on WoW forums) and I've yet to see anyone actually win such a case.
You don't own your account, you have the right to use your account while you abide by the rules of the game, if you can't do that your right to use your account can be taken away. |
and in fact you do own your "account" so to speak but nothing actually ON the account. since the game key is defined as the point of access for a non pay to play game such as guild wars instead of a pay to access game. so under various countries law they cannot ban but could quite legitimately delete everything on the account while its on temporary ban and then give access back. it all depends on the country involved.
i would also point out that the eula as a legally binding contract for agreement to behavior in game would only apply to players over the age of 18 unless the parent gave clear written and fully informed consent at the time of agreement.