Recent Account Bans
majoho
By own I mean access to get into the game.
TheRaven
Good to login tonight and see this news. I'd gotten really frustrated with the game and walked away from it. It was just sickening to see all the botters get rich while those of us that played legitimately be unable to compete.
I'm glad something was finally done. Good job A-net.
I'm glad something was finally done. Good job A-net.
vamp08
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the difference here is that the access to WoW is a service which you continuously pay for which can be denied but in guild wars the access is a single purchase which defines it as sole property of the purchaser. whereas the game itself belongs to the company who makes it.
and in fact you do own your "account" so to speak but nothing actually ON the account. since the game key is defined as the point of access for a non pay to play game such as guild wars instead of a pay to access game. so under various countries law they cannot ban but could quite legitimately delete everything on the account while its on temporary ban and then give access back. it all depends on the country involved. |
While in-turn nobody denied you acess to the game, they just denied you service to their servers....which happens to be where your avatar is.
Ka Tet
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If you have any kind of point with your post I suggest you provide a link to a won case surely there must be one...
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But since you brought it up a quick search through google news yielded this http://news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-20004004-36.html
jonnieboi05
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i will point out for those interested: in certain countries such as the netherlands and the UK they can not legally permanently ban you do to various parts of the intellectual property laws...so i suggest pointing that out to support unless they wish to be in violation of laws. in the US i will point out that this is a viable (and has successfully litigated precedents) cause for a law suit because the game is essentially the purchase of a right to access a product and as the game is not a "pay to play" game there is no "service' according to US law which can be legally terminated. the "access" to guildwars is a solely owned (by the game purchaser) property whereas the game itself belongs to anet or whoever has the intellectual property rights..which means that termination of access is a violation of intellectual property laws..anyone who actually cares enough i would suggest contacting an intellectual property law firm. In these situations citing precedent is usually enough.
now i will say that i do not support botting or violating EULA, but only pointing out the loopholes that currently exist in IP law. (or in the case of the netherlands and UK firm laws protecting consumer rights) i'm sure arena net would highly disagree with the ideas i suggested but..the law is the law whether or not it is a just law is another story. and yes sadly this would mean that no one could be "legally banned" in certain countries but the opinion of those nation's governing bodies was that a "lawfully and rightfully obtained product cannot be legally denied to the consumer unless in violation of law" and if the product itself was access not ownership of the game then denying access regardless of a EULA that only regards the gameplay and not the access is not lawful.. something to think about~ and if interested in possible legal recourse i suggest googling class action intellectual property rights. |
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Originally Posted by Guild Wars User Agreement; Section 15
15. GENERAL PROVISIONS
This Agreement is governed by and shall be construed and enforced under the laws of The State of Texas, without applying any conflicts of law principles which would require application of the law of any other jurisdiction. NC Interactive and you each hereby irrevocably consent to the jurisdiction of the courts of the State of Texas for all purposes in connection with any action or proceeding which arises out of or relates to this Agreement and agree that any action or proceeding instituted under this Agreement shall be brought only in the state courts of Travis County, State of Texas. |
wind fire and ice
Hellick Stoner
Plenty of those cases are open now; many more have been settled. Don't believe it, ask Blizzard; or better yet Shanda Interactive Entertainment Limited who just payed a man who bought ingame items (like the perks we buy from the NCsoft store) which later were removed from his account. He Won! There are many more. Eula agreement is as good as the attorney argueing it!
Ka Tet
Lost the thing you quoted, if anyone would like to refer to it, scroll up please.
My question would be if in your state or national consumer laws do not view a EULA as legally binding, would you then not be bound by that clause since you are not bound to the EULA in any form?
Perhaps we should encourage a consumer advocacy group to join this discussion. Encourage them rapidly as I'm sure the posts discussing whether EULAs are or are not legally binding will rapidly be mod-deleted for not being in the best interests of NC.
My question would be if in your state or national consumer laws do not view a EULA as legally binding, would you then not be bound by that clause since you are not bound to the EULA in any form?
Perhaps we should encourage a consumer advocacy group to join this discussion. Encourage them rapidly as I'm sure the posts discussing whether EULAs are or are not legally binding will rapidly be mod-deleted for not being in the best interests of NC.
Hellick Stoner
Already being deleted! I started a thread entitled: " legal action for accounts banned" 30 min later it was delted.
wind fire and ice
ightgg
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As some of you may have already heard, we banned more than 3,700 accounts today. Those banned were positively identified as botters or players engaged in PvP match manipulation. We also disbanded whole guilds that were involved in these activities.
We saw the threads about your concerns with botting over the past couple months. We weren’t ignoring you, but we couldn't talk about what we were doing beforehand, as we didn’t want to tip our hand and inadvertently alert the botters to our plans. We take this issue very seriously and will continue to hunt for botters and cheaters of all sorts. There are consequences if you engage in botting or match manipulation. Our Design Director, James Phinney, has provided more information about the bans and about our plans for continuing to pursue those involved in exploiting in his most recent blog post. Head over here to check it out. |
Peace out dead game
Hellick Stoner
If Anet wanted to do anything about the botting they could sue the maker of the bots.. Blizzard has successful done it; but no they are banning accounts because someone reported you. it hearsay! Anet is hoping everyone banned will buy another account. more money in thier pocket. wasn't to long ago with another jap gaming company's president was sentenced to 5 years for having a business in selling thier own ingame gold and then banning accounts..
majoho
wind fire and ice
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If Anet wanted to do anything about the botting they could sue the maker of the bots.. Blizzard has successful done it; but no they are banning accounts because someone reported you. it hearsay! Anet is hoping everyone banned will buy another account. more money in thier pocket. wasn't to long ago with another jap gaming company's president was sentenced to 5 years for have a business in selling thier own ingame gold and then banning accounts..
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Be happy they're doing something,if people really get checked out every time they're reported this will cut the bots out pretty steadily(and after a while hopefully eliminate them completely).
Also,the community would have to wait MUCH longer for any thing to change if that happened.
And if they did that they would still ban the people who already had the programs,so it would be no different for the people who are banned.
Sorry you got banned,but bad arguments are bad and you need to go get a beer and realize you're an idiot.
Acumen
What percentage of active accounts do you really think this is? Even if it's 1%, that's a whole lot of active players.
Guild Wars is ranked #14 on Xfire with 3500 users playing it a day, ahead of some games you may have heard of: Team Fortress 2, Eve Online, Diablo 2, and Runescape. Guild Wars is one of the most played online games.
Guild Wars is ranked #14 on Xfire with 3500 users playing it a day, ahead of some games you may have heard of: Team Fortress 2, Eve Online, Diablo 2, and Runescape. Guild Wars is one of the most played online games.
Davros Uitar
Hardly a surprise your thread got deleted Hellick.
So far I have seen you protesting innocence, and threatening law suits. If your innocence is real then the "send support ticket" approach will win teh day. The fact that you want to go on and on about class actions makes it look like you doubt you can win with teh innocence approach.
So far I have seen you protesting innocence, and threatening law suits. If your innocence is real then the "send support ticket" approach will win teh day. The fact that you want to go on and on about class actions makes it look like you doubt you can win with teh innocence approach.
Sirius Bsns
Genius. ...sheer genius! LOL What better way to lure and punish botters than to buff all the interrupt spells and draw them into such a grand spankin' bot-trap? <333
That's what I call using your noodle, Anet! Maaaaad props!
That's what I call using your noodle, Anet! Maaaaad props!
Acumen
Aion is even more popular than Guild Wars, 8th on Xfire. I know these numbers aren't absolute, but do you have anything other than guessing to back your statements that no one plays Guild Wars up?
Nerel
There is no IP law that will prevent you from being banned in Guild Wars, the cases you cite are regarding the ownership of virtual property or items... which doesn't apply to Guild Wars where you DON'T own any virtual items or property, Anet does, they merely let you use them. Don't even mention the costumes
Edit: Oh, and Xfire is a bad metric by which to measure the user base of games, some game types and genres just don't attract people who have even heard of Xfire... the only thing Xfire measures is the amount of Xfire users playing certain games whilst running their bug ridden software... and really, who gives a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO about Xfire users (apart from Regina).
As for 3700 (or how ever many) accounts being banned, I'm willing to bet that the number of players who suffered a band was much, much lower... most likely less than 1500, botters tend to like running multiple accounts and all that...
Edit: Oh, and Xfire is a bad metric by which to measure the user base of games, some game types and genres just don't attract people who have even heard of Xfire... the only thing Xfire measures is the amount of Xfire users playing certain games whilst running their bug ridden software... and really, who gives a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO about Xfire users (apart from Regina).
As for 3700 (or how ever many) accounts being banned, I'm willing to bet that the number of players who suffered a band was much, much lower... most likely less than 1500, botters tend to like running multiple accounts and all that...
ightgg
Ive played gw since beta and have seen what it "was". Guildwars 2 weeks ago was empty. The only reason anyone logged on today was to see if they were banned or not, no other reason. Pvp has been dead even before Bots. Pve was dead before perma sin. Who can even joke and say this game has playerbase? Aion has terrible playerbase as well but only because its full or grind and is boring beyond recognition as entertainment. I think ill stick to private servers where at least players log on to have fun not throw money at a terrible company. Anet fix your mistakes before guildwars2 or i promise you it will flop.
jonnieboi05
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Lost the thing you quoted, if anyone would like to refer to it, scroll up please.
My question would be if in your state or national consumer laws do not view a EULA as legally binding, would you then not be bound by that clause since you are not bound to the EULA in any form? Perhaps we should encourage a consumer advocacy group to join this discussion. Encourage them rapidly as I'm sure the posts discussing whether EULAs are or are not legally binding will rapidly be mod-deleted for not being in the best interests of NC. |
Acumen
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Ive played gw since beta and have seen what it "was". Guildwars 2 weeks ago was empty. The only reason anyone logged on today was to see if they were banned or not, no other reason. Pvp has been dead even before Bots. Pve was dead before perma sin. Who can even joke and say this game has playerbase? Aion has terrible playerbase as well but only because its full or grind and is boring beyond recognition as entertainment. I think ill stick to private servers where at least players log on to have fun not throw money at a terrible company. Anet fix your mistakes before guildwars2 or i promise you it will flop.
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Your opinion of the quality of Aion, or any other game, does not make the relative number of people playing change.
I logged in to play today, as well as several hundred of my alliance mates. One of dozens of alliances with over 900 members and kick-on-inactivity rules. I've seen several hundred people playing JQ today. If I wanted to get on observer, I'm sure I could see hundreds of unique people playing pvp. I'm sure there's still several districts of RA and HA.
And that's just the people in districts, most people are actually in explorable areas, playing.
snaek
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This post was full of ignorance. Alert the botters to your plans? The only reason bots were able to thrive is due to Anet having NO RESPONSE to the original threat alerted to them. Even if they knew you would ban them it wouldnt have changed anything. You banned players who botted 1 time when the bots were first invented. Alerting them wouldnt have changed the past, i think anets calendar is off. How can Anet claim they were working on this when months and months have gone by when all they had to do was scan for a few dll injections? I cant believe anyone on gwguru actually believes Anet can be the goodguy here. They let bots run free and to kill the player base only to perma ban whoever was left.
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BOTTING HAS NOT BEEN FIXED. The lack of forethough anet is present is astounding for a player of 5 years to witness. I bet the Dhuum animation was the hardest part of all this. Its not like Anet really cared about gw1, but its nice to see them beat a dead horse until there is nothing left. Peace out dead game |
Hellick Stoner
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Hardly a surprise your thread got deleted Hellick.
So far I have seen you protesting innocence, and threatening law suits. If your innocence is real then the "send support ticket" approach will win teh day. The fact that you want to go on and on about class actions makes it look like you doubt you can win with teh innocence approach. |
Rolain
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Lets be fair,GW isn't near big enough for them to put so much effort into stopping bots in it from the source.
Be happy they're doing something,if people really get checked out every time they're reported this will cut the bots out pretty steadily(and after a while hopefully eliminate them completely). Also,the community would have to wait MUCH longer for any thing to change if that happened. And if they did that they would still ban the people who already had the programs,so it would be no different for the people who are banned. Sorry you got banned,but bad arguments are bad and you need to go get a beer and realize you're an idiot. |
The only surefire way for them to stop 95% of bot action is to make the GW game less fat on the client side and put more of it on the servers. This would stop dll injection. However, it would be a huge pain in the ass to do and since GW2 is coming, not a likely choice that anet would make.
Ka Tet
jonnieboi05
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The reason i go on is cause i'm pissed! Just like you would be if your account got banned for something you didn't do.
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jonnieboi05
And? I know what I typed. Do you want me to sing it for you?
♪ The ♪ Moment ♪ You ♪ Accepted ♪ Arena.Net's ♪ EULA ♪ You ♪Agreed ♪ To ♪ Waive ♪ Your ♪ Rights ♪ To ♪ Use ♪The ♪ Law ♪ System ♪ That ♪ Corresponds ♪ To ♪ Where ♪ You ♪ Live. ♪
Better?
♪ The ♪ Moment ♪ You ♪ Accepted ♪ Arena.Net's ♪ EULA ♪ You ♪Agreed ♪ To ♪ Waive ♪ Your ♪ Rights ♪ To ♪ Use ♪The ♪ Law ♪ System ♪ That ♪ Corresponds ♪ To ♪ Where ♪ You ♪ Live. ♪
Better?
wind fire and ice
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The only surefire way for them to stop 95% of bot action is to make the GW game less fat on the client side and put more of it on the servers. This would stop dll injection. However, it would be a huge pain in the ass to do and since GW2 is coming, not a likely choice that anet would make.
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Jenn
Huh. I was not expecting this, I'll be perfectly honest.
I had a discussion with a friend the other day with regards to various aspects of game and community development, and it was the lack of action concerning bots that stood out like a sore thumb for the both of us. With this change, I have to say my approval rating goes up quite a bit!
Call me crazy, but I also feel a bit sorry for those banned. Some people lost a lot of time invested. No matter how guilty you are, it's still not easy to be locked up and the key thrown away. It's important to remember that just because some people did a bad deed does not necessarily make them a bad person .
Hopefully no innocent person was caught in the crossfire.
Thanks again anet for hearing and responding to the community's concerns. I hope your efforts will continue onward and it's not just a one time thing.
I had a discussion with a friend the other day with regards to various aspects of game and community development, and it was the lack of action concerning bots that stood out like a sore thumb for the both of us. With this change, I have to say my approval rating goes up quite a bit!
Call me crazy, but I also feel a bit sorry for those banned. Some people lost a lot of time invested. No matter how guilty you are, it's still not easy to be locked up and the key thrown away. It's important to remember that just because some people did a bad deed does not necessarily make them a bad person .
Hopefully no innocent person was caught in the crossfire.
Thanks again anet for hearing and responding to the community's concerns. I hope your efforts will continue onward and it's not just a one time thing.
Ka Tet
Please re-read again. Unless of course you work for a consumer advocacy group or practice consumer law or are a civil court judge.
NikonJustus
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Money sink titles the prestige has never been about the time to activate the gold sink, it's always been about having the initial gold to complete them.
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Those that use bots don't deserve to attempt to call themselves Pro or Elite or what ever else, I have 1 main char and its a War, I have every elite armor you can get, all HoM Weapons (destroyer and tormented) 82 minis etc..... and can barely solo farm since I am a warrior, so any gold I got had to be earned over time the hard way. So I am one that has no love for botters.
The drunkard auto clicking thing I don't really see why it would be a problem since other titles like it (sweets/party) have spamable points, its not hurting the game play of others like PvP bots and bots that can potentially impact the economy, BUT if its against the rules than just don't do it.
GW is supposed to be anti grind and Titles made it exactly the opposite of that, if you want titles you have to grind unfortunately.
Its a good thing 9-rings isn't a third party app since it lets you do exactly what they say you aren't allowed to do. You can load your inventory with tickets and go to bed and when ya wake up your titles are advanced for you without any effort or input on your part.
jonnieboi05
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Please re-read again. Unless of course you work for a consumer advocacy group or practice consumer law or are a civil court judge.
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What does that have anything to do with whether or not someone is educated in local, regional, national and international law?
Ka Tet
Volo
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i will point out for those interested: in certain countries such as the netherlands and the UK they can not legally permanently ban you do to various parts of the intellectual property laws...so i suggest pointing that out to support unless they wish to be in violation of laws. in the US i will point out that this is a viable (and has successfully litigated precedents) cause for a law suit because the game is essentially the purchase of a right to access a product and as the game is not a "pay to play" game there is no "service' according to US law which can be legally terminated. the "access" to guildwars is a solely owned (by the game purchaser) property whereas the game itself belongs to anet or whoever has the intellectual property rights..which means that termination of access is a violation of intellectual property laws..anyone who actually cares enough i would suggest contacting an intellectual property law firm. In these situations citing precedent is usually enough.
now i will say that i do not support botting or violating EULA, but only pointing out the loopholes that currently exist in IP law. (or in the case of the netherlands and UK firm laws protecting consumer rights) i'm sure arena net would highly disagree with the ideas i suggested but..the law is the law whether or not it is a just law is another story. and yes sadly this would mean that no one could be "legally banned" in certain countries but the opinion of those nation's governing bodies was that a "lawfully and rightfully obtained product cannot be legally denied to the consumer unless in violation of law" and if the product itself was access not ownership of the game then denying access regardless of a EULA that only regards the gameplay and not the access is not lawful.. something to think about~ and if interested in possible legal recourse i suggest googling class action intellectual property rights. |
ah you told me about this earlier on vent ^.^ but if what you said is true than there is nothing they can do about perma bans you. the best solution imo would be to temp ban all the bot account for a few months and wipe out the account. those account should maybe be put on a watch list so if anything suspicious actions they can ban them again & wipe out the account again.
majoho
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ah you told me about this earlier on vent ^.^ but if what you said is true than there is nothing they can do about perma bans you. the best solution imo would be to temp ban all the bot account for a few months and wipe out the account. those account should maybe be put on a watch list so if anything suspicious actions they can ban them again & wipe out the account again.
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Call me crazy, but I also feel a bit sorry for those banned. Some people lost a lot of time invested. No matter how guilty you are, it's still not easy to be locked up and the key thrown away. It's important to remember that just because some people did a bad deed does not necessarily make them a bad person .
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vamp08
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Call me crazy, but I also feel a bit sorry for those banned. Some people lost a lot of time invested. No matter how guilty you are, it's still not easy to be locked up and the key thrown away. It's important to remember that just because some people did a bad deed does not necessarily make them a bad person .
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What better way to stop botting than show them that you mean business! Just, for those people, (not the pvp'ers) WTB second-chance?
EDIT: Because the past way ANet handled botters was a joke...people knew they could get away with it. Don't sit there in front of you monitor typing morals, because the second you saw $100 on the ground you wouldn't report it to the police, it would go straight in your pocket...not caring who saw. In fact, you would actually brag to your friends that you found it.
Now that anet has established they wont take it anymore, it will largely stop and people now know it isnt tolorated. Suddenly that $100 bill got a tracking divice on it, and people WILLINGLY know that they will get caught, so they immedatley run to to station and turn-in that 100 bucks.
NeferJackal
Most people doesnt want to admit they have cheated and trying any way of garnering support to undo what their own actions have caused. Im sorry, but ive no sympathy for people whining about being banned. If ya truly were innocently caught up, take it up with GW support.
ightgg
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Most people doesnt want to admit they have cheated and trying any way of garnering support to undo what their own actions have caused. Im sorry, but ive no sympathy for people whining about being banned. If ya truly were innocently caught up, take it up with GW support.
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Aussie Boy
It's great to see Anet getting all the botters and such but really after all is said and done
Anet will get 3000+ new accounts Sold in the next few days I bet.
Anet will get 3000+ new accounts Sold in the next few days I bet.