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Martin Kerstein

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

26 May 2010 at 21:52 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by slowerpoke

uhoh Martin is here too
i wondered where the CR tagteam went

Busy preparing the bans. I hope now you understand why we were quiet about it.

Emily Diehl

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2010

ArenaNet Home Base

N/Me

26 May 2010 at 21:57 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Kerstein

Busy preparing the bans. I hope now you understand why we were quiet about it.

It was really hard NOT to say something! Keeping quiet about this was tough because it's so important. Now you guys see why we had to be.

BLOODGOAT

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2007

long a

Mo/

26 May 2010 at 21:57 - 43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Kerstein

I do not want to sound mean, but saying "I did not bot" does not automatically mean it is the truth.

I do not want to sound mean, but saying it "does not automatically mean it is the truth" doesn't mean you are any more right that the people who were inappropriately banned.

fowlero

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

England, UK

We Are The One And Only [rR]

26 May 2010 at 21:58 - 44

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fFYug8nXcM

RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING AMAZING LOL

Stuart444

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Alexandria, Scotland

The Charter Vanguard [CV]

W/

26 May 2010 at 22:00 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLOODGOAT

I do not want to sound mean, but saying it "does not automatically mean it is the truth" doesn't mean you are any more right that the people who were inappropriately banned.

you mean except for the fact that they probably have MUCH more data on this than us?

Martin Kerstein

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

26 May 2010 at 22:00 - 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLOODGOAT

I do not want to sound mean, but saying it "does not automatically mean it is the truth" doesn't mean you are any more right that the people who were inappropriately banned.

It means we can back our bans up by evidence.
If people feel they were wrongfully banned, they should contact support.

Terrible Surgeon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2009

hopper

A/

26 May 2010 at 22:01 - 47

I will never say anet does not care again...

Greed[Exs]

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2010

26 May 2010 at 22:01 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Kerstein

I do not want to sound mean, but saying "I did not bot" does not automatically mean it is the truth.

And in the same respect, you can't actually state that your staff doesn't make mistakes, it does happen. You guys banned one of my accounts because I got from 1 to 20 in 4 hours time, claiming that it was physically impossible for me to achieve this. Until I provided proof that I hadn't and spent an hour and 20 minutes typing up an essay stating every single detail of what I had done, when and at what time to achieve this. My account has been rightfully reinstated, and I'm not saying I am defending botters, I'm just saying the gaming community isn't perfect and neither are you.

A little more on topic, thanks for this. Finally we can play without having to worry about players (botters) having an advantage over other players (players). Let's just hope you can maintain this kind of reinforcement when they develop new bots to bypass your systems.

Ninja Ninja

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

W/

26 May 2010 at 22:02 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emily Diehl

It was really hard NOT to say something! Keeping quiet about this was tough because it's so important. Now you guys see why we had to be.

Well its really awesome you guys did something about it

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

26 May 2010 at 22:04 - 50

I'd like to see an official stance on the Drunkard bot please.

Fusylum

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

Michigan

Reign of Judgement [RoJ]

26 May 2010 at 22:06 - 51

Good, this needs to be done...
Thank your very mutch!

fowlero

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

England, UK

We Are The One And Only [rR]

26 May 2010 at 22:06 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by A11Eur0

I'd like to see an official stance on the Drunkard bot please.

Bot = banned.

SlimChance

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

Me/N

26 May 2010 at 22:07 - 53

Where's the "applaud" emote?

/applaud

Malchior Devenholm

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

The Dragon Arena!!!

Pshycho Ninjas [oGod] | Vent Rage [vR] | Zealots of Shiverpeak [ZoS]

26 May 2010 at 22:07 - 54

Anet, you guys have reached a new level of Epicness!

Thank you very much

Scarlett Romanov

Guest

Join Date: Jul 2005

Me/

26 May 2010 at 22:08 - 55

Ugh. People are starting to fear bans over multi-launch. or running more than one client on one machine. So will that also come the ban hammer to come down?

Ghost Dog

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

W/

26 May 2010 at 22:09 - 56

These dumb kids and dumber adults really thought there would be no consequence?

They would make fine politicians.

Atro

Miss the good ol' days

Join Date: Sep 2009

Where don't I live?

A/

26 May 2010 at 22:09 - 57

Will he be showing again as the days past or did ya terminate the ones that were offline too>

BLOODGOAT

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2007

long a

Mo/

26 May 2010 at 22:09 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart444

you mean except for the fact that they probably have MUCH more data on this than us?

Empirical observation versus knowing what you did first-hand, amirite!?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Kerstein

It means we can back our bans up by evidence.
If people feel they were wrongfully banned, they should contact support.

And how about when they are wrongfully banned but the support team sidesteps the inquiries and accusations in unjust attempt to not be in the wrong?

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

R/

26 May 2010 at 22:10 - 59

Good to see some official response at last.

R_Frost

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

California

Me/

26 May 2010 at 22:12 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emily Diehl

It was really hard NOT to say something! Keeping quiet about this was tough because it's so important. Now you guys see why we had to be.

well nice to see something has been done. hope it continues.

Coverticus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Zodiac Elites [TZE]

Mo/

26 May 2010 at 22:12 - 61

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scarlett Romanov

Ugh. People are starting to fear bans over multi-launch. or running more than one client on one machine. So will that also come the ban hammer to come down?

Scarlett, I use and have had BOTH accounts banned for it, it seems. Trying to get a stance too via Support. Doesn't look good though.

Joe Fierce

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

Disconnect the fascination

LF High End PvE Guild that's not filled with elitists.

R/

26 May 2010 at 22:13 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scarlett Romanov

Ugh. People are starting to fear bans over multi-launch. or running more than one client on one machine. So will that also come the ban hammer to come down?

drunkard bot, is my one and only fear.

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

26 May 2010 at 22:14 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tild

The bad thing is for ppl who just tried once a bot ...

That's liking saying but Judge it was only my first robbery.
Thank you ANET.

Garreth MacLeod

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

26 May 2010 at 22:15 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coverticus

Scarlett, I use and have had BOTH accounts banned for it, it seems. Trying to get a stance too via Support. Doesn't look good though.

You had your account banned for using multi-launch? I would hardly consider that to be a bot.

FlyMoto

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2009

26 May 2010 at 22:15 - 65

Awesome!

Except 5 seconds after I went to Kamadan I just saw another spam bot (and no Dhuum pop up).

Edit: Multi-launch is a 3rd party program

Regina Buenaobra

ArenaNet

Join Date: Apr 2008

Me/

26 May 2010 at 22:15 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElementalShadows

Will he be showing again as the days past or did ya terminate the ones that were offline too>

Those who were offline were also banned.

Atro

Miss the good ol' days

Join Date: Sep 2009

Where don't I live?

A/

26 May 2010 at 22:17 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

Those who were offline were also banned.

Ah ok and can you confirm the multi launch deal?

shoyon456

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

D/

26 May 2010 at 22:17 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Both. I've never used a PvP bot and feel that PvE bots fit in with ArenaNet's no-grind philosophy. Or what their philosophy used to be, I guess that died around the release of EotN.

EDIT: On the positive side, now that various Guru and wikia pages are gone, my tabs in Firefox are a lot more sparse. I don't even have to scroll through them!

Good riddance. You don't need to use a bot to raptor farm like you were doing, because the grind in PvE is not required. Honestly, I'm annoyed with a lot of Anet's shenanigans regarding both GW1 AND GW2. Yet I fail how anyone would take a position in favor of someone who clearly went against the EULA... maybe you should have read it, huh?

Those who cheated were punished...finally, clear and simple. You knew you were cheating and taking this risk, if you didn't then you're a moron. Suck it up.

Anet has done a good job on this despite all my criticism of them. I especially like the inventive programming they did with Dhuum in this instance, they still have a sense of humor. Take my compliment now Anet, cause I'll be up in arms against you again starting tomorrow for some unrelated reason.

Mangione

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

26 May 2010 at 22:17 - 69

GOOD JOB, Arena.Net, keep on the good work!

Joe Fierce

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

Disconnect the fascination

LF High End PvE Guild that's not filled with elitists.

R/

26 May 2010 at 22:17 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

Those who were offline were also banned.

So riddle me this, please, an official stance if you would, I use multi launch on occasion to do some account transfers, and I have considered using the drunkard bot to use up all of these stacks of booze for my title, will I be banned for these actions?

hattara

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2009

Finland

Blinkie Ponie Armie [BPA]

R/

26 May 2010 at 22:18 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garreth MacLeod

You had your account banned for using multi-launch?

Correction: he CLAIMS to have gotten banned for using multi-launch when addressing people who have nothing to go on but his word.

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

26 May 2010 at 22:19 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLOODGOAT

I do not want to sound mean, but saying it "does not automatically mean it is the truth" doesn't mean you are any more right that the people who were inappropriately banned.

How do you judge inappropriate, by asking those who were banned? Do you believe what all people from the internet tell you? Computer records or someone from the internet, I'll take the records.

BLOODGOAT

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2007

long a

Mo/

26 May 2010 at 22:19 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocky Raccoon

How do you judge inappropriate, by asking those who were banned? Do you believe what all people from the internet tell you? Computer records or someone from the internet, I'll take the records.

And I'll take the word of my good friends who wouldn't have a reason to lie about something so trivial.

Joe Fierce

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

Disconnect the fascination

LF High End PvE Guild that's not filled with elitists.

R/

26 May 2010 at 22:20 - 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by hattara

Correction: he CLAIMS to have gotten banned for using multi-launch when addressing people who have nothing to go on but his word.

Doubt is the easiest thing to instill into another person, even without a suggestive word towards it, one can instill doubt, excessive reassurance can even instill doubt. Don't be a sheeple and doubt this young man unless you know facts about him.

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

W/

26 May 2010 at 22:20 - 75

Thanks for slaying the bots. I for one do not want to be assimilated by the Borg.

Are the following still allowed?

KSMod
TexMod
Multi-Launch, or other methods of running multiple clients
Macros that are not automated
I understand that defining the line between a macro and a "bot" is rather hard to do. Example: Press "CTRL num7" to execute skill # 3 on all hero skill bars. edit: Third party software allows custom hotkeys not available in the control options menu.

Thank you.

Incidentally, I have all of those installed and my account is not banned.

EDIT: Questions answered ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hollygen

Taken from a conversation in Great Temple of Balthazar ongoing at the moment

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

You use third party programs at your own risk. We are not responsible if the programs you download contain content that changes the original code of that program, which may incur a ban. In its original state, programs like Multi Launch or Texmod, will not fall afoul of the banhammer, however changes to those programs, instances where people have modified the original code--there are no guarantees. We do not provide any support whatsoever for third party programs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

There are third party programs that we tolerate, but we don't provide any support for them whatsoever. We have not taken action on some of those third party programs because we don't feel that they provide an unfair advantage. But I have to stress: this applies to some of those programs in their original form. Players use third party programs with Guild Wars at their own risk. If those programs are modified (and maybe you won't even know about it), we make no guarantees as to whether this could incur account termination. As James said in his post, if you're in doubt, just don't use it.

Joe Fierce

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

Disconnect the fascination

LF High End PvE Guild that's not filled with elitists.

R/

26 May 2010 at 22:22 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB

Thanks for slaying the bots. I for one do not want to be assimilated by the Borg.

Are the following still allowed?

KSMod
TexMod
Multi-Launch, or other methods of running multiple clients
Macros that are not automated
I understand that defining the line between a macro and a "bot" is rather hard to do. Example: Press "CTRL num7" to execute skill # 3 on all hero skill bars.

Thank you.

Incidentally, I have all of those installed and my account is not banned.

Yet.... And you never will know if you will be, because they have yet to give a stance on it.

Coverticus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Zodiac Elites [TZE]

Mo/

26 May 2010 at 22:22 - 77

Quote:

Originally Posted by hattara

Correction: he CLAIMS to have gotten banned for using multi-launch when addressing people who have nothing to go on but his word.

Yes, if you read all that I said, it SEEMS that way. Hence why I'm trying to find out from Support exactly what has happened. And yes, you can only take at face value whether I'm lying or not, hence why I didn't bother putting in something like "I don't bot..".

shoyon456

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

D/

26 May 2010 at 22:22 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Nor is playing at all, but if you want the HoM content for GW2 (which, the way things are headed, will probably give statistical benefit), yes, you must grind.

1. HoM benefits will not be statistical.

2. You can't put your high-end crap in HoM unless you mean minis...which again will not be statistical. You do not need high-end gear to be just as effective as someone else in GW2, hence it is anti-grind.

3. Other people worked to fill their HoM's the honest way. Or are you the narcissist who thinks you deserve to get it filled the easy way where others don't?

4. People who botted like you consciously broke the rules. Get over it or go away. You're at fault, not Anet or anyone else. Anet finally did what they should have been doing.

AtomicMew

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

N/A

26 May 2010 at 22:22 - 79

I hate to rain on your parade, but this really does absolutely NOTHING against the worst offenders. A hardcore botter can make enough ecto to buy 10 completely clean-slate accounts before his account is even looked at. Couple this with the fact that you can run 10+ bots on one computer, and you are fighting a battle that is impossible to win.

In reality, what these bans do is lose thousands of dedicated players. I'm not justifying botting in anyway, but this is like throwing jaywalkers in prison while there are murderers out there getting off scotch free. The example you gave of banning someone's obviously main account with 3000+ hours clearly shows that this is just a public relations stunt. He botted, and profited, but he is a jaywalker, and the negative impact he has on the economy and community is a drop in the bucket compared to the the murderers that are making big bucks off of botting.

bursta91

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2008

Canada

Gangsters In The [HooD]

Rt/

26 May 2010 at 22:23 - 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB

Thanks for slaying the bots. I for one do not want to be assimilated by the Borg.

Are the following still allowed?

KSMod
TexMod
Multi-Launch, or other methods of running multiple clients
Macros that are not automated
I understand that defining the line between a macro and a "bot" is rather hard to do. Example: Press "CTRL num7" to execute skill # 3 on all hero skill bars.

Thank you.

Incidentally, I have all of those installed and my account is not banned.

i am running guild wars multi-launch and all my accounts are fine...

atm