Recent Account Bans

Rolain

Rolain

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2008

Australia

[Win]

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yes, anything that automates input is a bot. However, I'll just remind you of the G-series keyboard macro fiasco, when GW gave out macro enabled keyboards as PRIZES.

Erik Fox

Erik Fox

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

Texas

Glad to see action from Anet, and while I don't use TexMod, the drunkard bot(going about it manually D: ), or a multilaunch program, I agree that Anet should issue a statement about these kinds of programs.

However, they are third party programs and whoever installed them did take a risk with using them.

Agar

Agar

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2009

Angry Marine Fortress

[ZoS]

W/D

Many well know players with some of the rarest minis got banned, i wonder if they will disappear forever.

By the way people are chanting for Dhumm in some districts, maybe this is the start of a cult! lol

NerfHerder

NerfHerder

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by prey monkie View Post
WoW i'm on vent with guildy's and they say people got banned for using multiauncher/drunkardbot? is this true? did anet banned people for that?
Im pretty sure multilauncher and things like textmod or whatever are third party programs that alter the client. And drunkardbots automate gameplay. Those are all punishable offenses. I would be surprised if they were banned for that but its not improbable.

Acumen

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2009

The Undead Ravens

And some people actually call Guild Wars a "dead game" when a tiny percentage of the playerbase is over 3000?

Also, funny how certain vociferous complainers about "a.net letting people bot" are not to be seen in this thread.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Agar View Post
By the way people are chanting for Dhumm in some districts, maybe this is the start of a cult! lol
When you have a god, why not have a religion as well?

SilentVex

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Maguuma Stade

Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterB View Post
Anything that automates input falls under their definition of a bot.
So using the gkeys on my keyboard to perform multiple actions with one key press is botting?

jonnieboi05

jonnieboi05

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mableton, Georgia

Guild Ancestors Reunited [?????????]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SilentVex View Post
So using the gkeys on my keyboard to perform multiple actions with one key press is botting?
Yes. A "bot" is something that automates something for you regardless of what it is.

The Arching Healer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Super Kaon Action Team [SuKa]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SilentVex View Post
So using the gkeys on my keyboard to perform multiple actions with one key press is botting?
Gaile Gray said that using the macro's of G15 is 100% legal. I have a screenshot somewhere.

Sierraa

Sierraa

Supastar~ ???

Join Date: May 2006

USA [GMT -7]

Sierraas Asian Harem [love]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Acumen View Post
And some people actually call Guild Wars a "dead game" when a tiny percentage of the playerbase is over 3000?

Also, funny how certain vociferous complainers about "a.net letting people bot" are not to be seen in this thread.
It is a dead game. Compare it to when it first came out and it has less activity. There are also people out there who have 20+ accounts for when the Xunlai tournament was active. :\

Good job anet on doing something about the bots, I'd suggest you refrain from making jokes though, it can come off badly to a lot of people.

jazilla

jazilla

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Guernsey Milking Coalition[MiLk]

E/Me

happiest of days!

Regina Buenaobra

Regina Buenaobra

ArenaNet

Join Date: Apr 2008

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Fierce View Post
So riddle me this, please, an official stance if you would, I use multi launch on occasion to do some account transfers, and I have considered using the drunkard bot to use up all of these stacks of booze for my title, will I be banned for these actions?
You use third party programs at your own risk. We are not responsible if the programs you download contain content that changes the original code of that program, which may incur a ban. In its original state, programs like Multi Launch or Texmod, will not fall afoul of the banhammer, however changes to those programs, instances where people have modified the original code--there are no guarantees. We do not provide any support whatsoever for third party programs.

Rolain

Rolain

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2008

Australia

[Win]

E/

Yes, we get that Regina, how about an official stance?

Oggy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra View Post
You use third party programs at your own risk. We are not responsible if the programs you download contain content that changes the original code of that program, which may incur a ban. We do not provide any support whatsoever for third party programs.
That doesn't answer the question at all.

Lolwut1337

Lolwut1337

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2010

Kama america-dis 1 :o

Straight To The [BanK]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterB View Post
Thanks for slaying the bots. I for one do not want to be assimilated by the Borg.

Are the following still allowed?

KSMod
TexMod
Multi-Launch, or other methods of running multiple clients
Macros that are not automated
I understand that defining the line between a macro and a "bot" is rather hard to do. Example: Press "CTRL num7" to execute skill # 3 on all hero skill bars. edit: Third party software allows custom hotkeys not available in the control options menu.

Thank you.

Incidentally, I have all of those installed and my account is not banned.
Better don't take the risk pal...I used TexMod for the 2nd time in my life and I got a ban...

sixdartbart

sixdartbart

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Peace Machine GRRR [DiE]

W/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by wetwillyhip View Post
@regina martin and emily

Will we get banned for using the following:

GWx2 multi launch client
Texmod for cartographer
autoclicker for drunkard
http://www.arena.net/blog/design-dir...t-account-bans
“If you have any doubts about whether or not something is allowed by the User Agreement, don’t do it."

That sounds like good advice to me.

-Makai-

-Makai-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2007

WA

DH

Rt/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra View Post
You use third party programs at your own risk. We are not responsible if the programs you download contain content that changes the original code of that program, which may incur a ban. We do not provide any support whatsoever for third party programs.
No offense, but that's a little vague. Could we get a simple "texmod = safe" or "GWx2 = ban"?

Stuart444

Stuart444

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Alexandria, Scotland

The Charter Vanguard [CV]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra View Post
You use third party programs at your own risk. We are not responsible if the programs you download contain content that changes the original code of that program, which may incur a ban. We do not provide any support whatsoever for third party programs.
so to clarify for everyone, using a multi-launcher which JUST allows you to open two GW clients or using texmod which basically opens an image and binds it to the gamescreen whenever you open your big map is fine but if a program changes the code in the game (which I guess would be the dat file?) then it's not allowed and you WILL be banned for it.

Am I getting that right?

Wynthyst

Wynthyst

Site Contributor

Join Date: Aug 2006

Gems of Destiny

D/

Listen.. Texmod does not alter gameplay, it substitutes textures, has never been pursued as an illegal third party program.

Multi-launchers also have not been pursued as an illegal 3rd party program because they are used primarily to transfer items between accounts.

Drunkard bot IS however a bot that provides in game benefit and has been stated as being illegal.

Gaile and the support team have said this over and over and over. I don't see that position changing any time soon.

Erik Fox

Erik Fox

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

Texas

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rolain View Post
Yes, we get that Regina, how about an official stance?
It seems that due to the nature of varying third party programs and etc. there will be no official stance on any 3rdPP, regardless of what it does. We will probably have to corroborate what people use and if they did or did not get banned.

Oggy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart444 View Post
so to clarify for everyone, using a multi-launcher which JUST allows you to open two GW clients or using texmod which basically opens an image and binds it to the gamescreen whenever you open your big map is fine but if a program changes the code in the game (which I guess would be the dat file?) then it's not allowed and you WILL be banned for it.

Am I getting that right?
You have to change some of the GW code to run 2x instances of GW.

Quote:
Listen.. Texmod does not alter gameplay, it substitutes textures, has never been pursued as an illegal third party program.

Multi-launchers also have not been pursued as an illegal 3rd party program because they are used primarily to transfer items between accounts.

Drunkard bot IS however a bot that provides in game benefit and has been stated as being illegal.

Gaile and the support team have said this over and over and over. I don't see that position changing any time soon.
Linkplx?

Hellick Stoner

Hellick Stoner

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2009

Louisa, Kentucky (USA)

DarkFallenWill [END]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Kerstein View Post
It means we can back our bans up by evidence.
If people feel they were wrongfully banned, they should contact support.
Well I for one hope you do have the evidence. Ev1 That knows me knows I have never botted or used other 3rd party programs ( except for ventrilo and Winamp) while playing GW, yet my account has been banned. I'll see ya in court ANet if I don't get my account back. And just a word for ev1 else that has not botted or used other 3rd party software but has now been banned: Contact an attorney in your area inquire about sueing Anet for the emotional distress caused. Make them produce this "Evidence"!

This is a very valid legal complaint. The time ,effort ,and money ( buying perks from NCSOFT), gives you the cause.

Coverticus

Coverticus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Zodiac Elites [TZE]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynthyst View Post
Listen.. Texmod does not alter gameplay, it substitutes textures, has never been pursued as an illegal third party program.

Multi-launchers also have not been pursued as an illegal 3rd party program because they are used primarily to transfer items between accounts.

Drunkard bot IS however a bot that provides in game benefit and has been stated as being illegal.

Gaile and the support team have said this over and over and over. I don't see that position changing any time soon.
Appreciated Wyn but TexMod does actually alter the client via DLL injection techniques, as does many other 3rd party programs. This is why people, including myself, are now asking for a clarification by ANet as to precisely what these programs are from a ban perspective.

jonnieboi05

jonnieboi05

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mableton, Georgia

Guild Ancestors Reunited [?????????]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra View Post
You use third party programs at your own risk. We are not responsible if the programs you download contain content that changes the original code of that program, which may incur a ban. In its original state, programs like Multi Launch or Texmod, will not fall afoul of the banhammer, however changes to those programs, instances where people have modified the original code--there are no guarantees. We do not provide any support whatsoever for third party programs.
That doesn't answer anything. >______<


KSMoD works by altering the client, yet it gives literally no unfair advantages. Is this considered a violation? If you are not sure what KSMod is, it lets you enhance the graphics of your Guild Wars by forcing all textures to show in high quality.

Rolain

Rolain

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2008

Australia

[Win]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hellick Stoner View Post
Well I for one hope you do have the evidence. Ev1 That knows me knows I have never botted or used other 3rd party programs ( except for ventrilo and Winamp) while playing GW, yet my account has been banned. I'll see ya in court ANet if I don't get my account back. And just a word for ev1 else that has not botted or used other 3rd party software but has now been banned: Contact an attorney in your area inquire about sueing Anet for the emotional distress caused. Make them produce this "Evidence"!

This is a very valid legal complaint. The time ,effort ,and money ( buying perks from NCSOFT), gives you the cause.
The american legal system at work. Try emailing support.

Gondrakif

Gondrakif

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2009

GMT +2

Quote:
Originally Posted by mini pet monster View Post
LOLOLOL

DO ALMOST NOTHING FOR 6 MONTHS. THEN WHEN THERE'S ENOUGH OF EM, BAN EM ALL!!!

seriously, you killed the best pvpers
if they were the best they wouldn't need/use bots
Quote:
Originally Posted by mini pet monster View Post
the richest gw players
there is a powertrading bot???
Quote:
Originally Posted by mini pet monster View Post
and 1000s of people that loved this game. gratz.
if they loved this game they would be playing it themselves instead of having bots doing that for them...


Well the fact is there were a lot of bots in the game and with no actions from Anet they would increase. Let's be real there is no possible way of banning so many botters without getting false-positives and IMO it is worth it. Besides i trust support can help those false-positives get their accounts back.

Stuart444

Stuart444

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Alexandria, Scotland

The Charter Vanguard [CV]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oggy View Post
You have to change some of the GW code to run 2x instances of GW.
having never used the program, I wouldn't know but I do remember one program doing it by copying the dat file and making two versions of the .exe file. That doesn't sound like changing the code to me unless it injected code into the .dat file.

That said I haven't used it so I wouldn't know, I'm just guessing based on what I've seen/heard

shoyon456

shoyon456

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hellick Stoner View Post
Well I for one hope you do have the evidence. Ev1 That knows me knows I have never botted or used other 3rd party programs ( except for ventrilo and Winamp) while playing GW, yet my account has been banned. I'll see ya in court ANet if I don't get my account back. And just a word for ev1 else that has not botted or used other 3rd party software but has now been banned: Contact an attorney in your area inquire about sueing Anet for the emotional distress caused. Make them produce this "Evidence"!

This is a very valid legal complaint. The time ,effort ,and money ( buying perks from NCSOFT), gives you the cause.
I lol'd. Even if you were wrongfully banned, they do have account reports that would indicate certain things. Anet didn't just ban people with absolutely no reason.

I'm no law student, but I'm sure a judge would die of a heart attack seeing this on his desk.

Hollygen

Hollygen

Core Guru

Join Date: Feb 2007

UK

Blinkie Ponie Armie [bpa]

R/

Taken from a conversation in Great Temple of Balthazar ongoing at the moment

prey monkie

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2009

[OhNo] Mallyx and Friends

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sante_Kelm View Post
No offense, but that's a little vague. Could we get a simple "texmod = safe" or "GWx2 = ban"?

yeah totally agree wtb answer

Oggy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart444 View Post
having never used the program, I wouldn't know but I do remember one program doing it by copying the dat file and making two versions of the .exe file. That doesn't sound like changing the code to me unless it injected code into the .dat file.

That said I haven't used it so I wouldn't know, I'm just guessing based on what I've seen/heard
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...ars-id1837.php

End

End

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rubbing Potassium on water fountains.

LF guild that teaches MTSC (did it long ago before gw2 came out and I quit...but I barely remember)

N/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra View Post
You use third party programs at your own risk. We are not responsible if the programs you download contain content that changes the original code of that program, which may incur a ban. In its original state, programs like Multi Launch or Texmod, will not fall afoul of the banhammer, however changes to those programs, instances where people have modified the original code--there are no guarantees. We do not provide any support whatsoever for third party programs.
Still no mention of KSmod...which needs DLL injection...which from what im hearing is how you were detecting bots..a rumor ofc...but a thought../i suppose emily covered that...

Bob Slydell

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk View Post
I got over it in around five minutes, after I'd finished thinking, "Well shit, should've used other account." But I like staying here to argue with you, for a while.
You got what your smug ass deserved and you're probably in denial, I wouldn't doubt it.

Del

Del

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2009

In a van, down by the river.

RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO if I know, ask Lynette.

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sierraa View Post
It is a dead game. Compare it to when it first came out and it has less activity.
dying, not dead.

Joe Fierce

Joe Fierce

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

Disconnect the fascination

LF High End PvE Guild that's not filled with elitists.

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollygen View Post
Taken from a conversation in Great Temple of Balthazar ongoing at the moment

Finally, drunkard bot?

NerfHerder

NerfHerder

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hellick Stoner View Post
Well I for one hope you do have the evidence. Ev1 That knows me knows I have never botted or used other 3rd party programs ( except for ventrilo and Winamp) while playing GW, yet my account has been banned. I'll see ya in court ANet if I don't get my account back. And just a word for ev1 else that has not botted or used other 3rd party software but has now been banned: Contact an attorney in your area inquire about sueing Anet for the emotional distress caused. Make them produce this "Evidence"!

This is a very valid legal complaint. The time ,effort ,and money ( buying perks from NCSOFT), gives you the cause.
I hate to burst your bubble but you signed this agreement, we all did...

14. TERMINATION

(a) NC Interactive reserves the right to suspend or terminate this Agreement (including your Software license and your Account) immediately and without notice if you breach this Agreement or willfully infringe any third party intellectual property rights, or if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information you provide to us, or upon game play, chat or any player activity whatsoever which is, in our sole discretion, inappropriate and/or in violation of the spirit of the Game(s) as described in the Rules of Conduct.

Should NC Interactive decide to suspend or terminate this Agreement with a User under any circumstances, the User will lose access to your Account.

(b) You agree that if the Service or your Account is suspended, terminated or cancelled for any reason or length of time, you are not entitled to any reimbursement or refund of any fees or unused access time.



And if you want to take it up with customer support, I dont think threats are going to help your case.

BLOODGOAT

BLOODGOAT

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2007

long a

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollygen View Post
Taken from a conversation in Great Temple of Balthazar ongoing at the moment



bleh
I feel sorry for them having to answer repeat questions but they wouldn't have to if they weren't so vague on their responses, and didn't side-step simple "yes" or "no" questions.

sixdartbart

sixdartbart

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Peace Machine GRRR [DiE]

W/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Fierce View Post
Finally, drunkard bot?
Sounds like an obvious cheat, doesn't it?

JR

JR

Re:tired

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Fierce View Post
Finally, drunkard bot?
She gave a list of the third party applications that are ok. Drunkard was not on that list, so I would assume it is not - unsurprisingly so given how it works.

Bob Slydell

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Fierce View Post
Finally, drunkard bot?
No, because the ones above give you no absoulte advantage to the game and closest: TexMod.. just modifies textures in direct x memory layer, so it really dosen't even touch Guild Wars.

What you are asking is still a no no because it is a form of "let the bot do it for me while I do something else" which is one thing they have never tolerated.

I hope people stop asking now.... there is a strong difference than the 4 Emily mentioned and the drunkard bot..

EDIT: By the way does anyone actually think TexMod was designed for and only works with Guild Wars? Well to answer that, no it was never even designed for GW, the author probably never intended it to, probably never heard of Guild Wars and yes TexMod works with other games.