Guild Wars: A ghost town in the making.

Dear Gurus,

Today, over 3700 accounts were banned due to botting and use of third-party programs. Let's take a moment and really break down how and why nearly half of the populous of this dying online community spontaneously combusted.

Arena-Net has offered us so many lovely content additions in the recent history, such as costumes, NPCs to talk trade useless crap for other useless crap, ways to change our character from a down-syndrome having asian infant, and finally the War in Kryta quest chain. These additions have molded the community from a dying game, to a dying game that the players realize won't get better. I understand GW2 is on the rise, but that's been the case for 2 years without any love for the original, and will continue to be the case for months to come. With this being said, what do the players with 3-5 years under their belt have to do? Repeat missions, vanqs, dungeons? Needlessly grind out speed clears (which Anet failed at attempting to shut down)? Or maybe participating in nerdy e-peen battles on a nightly basis with the same morons every night in HA? THIS my friends, is precisely why people bot. It makes the game fun again. Personally, I've achieved GWAMM, r8, g3 on my own, no bot help. I moved to PvP because there was nothing else left to do in PvE. When PvP becomes redundant, you simply move on (botting). An evolutionary process mediated by A-net themselves.

For those of you who didn't bot, you simply didn't know where to get it. Honestly, when something becomes meta (obviously botting was), this community of ours nestles into it wholeheartedly. So basically, my point is this: Anet killed this game by not updating it enough. Without enough content updates, or micro-transactions, or anything that normal, successful MMOs employ to keep their game active, this game died out. 15 minute zaishen wait times in HA, empty districts in PvE zones, etc... BEFORE the ban-o-mania. Just imagine what the future months will behold.

I would just like to note with this post, that the people that botted, didn't necessarily bot because they wanted a maxed title, or money, or fame, or glad, etc.. etc... Personally... I just didn't know what else to do... Second GWAMM? ok.. bot account wide titles (treasure, luxon.) Bot eotn titles. Who cares? I've done them already... If a game wants to combat botting, don't let the players get bored of said game. Honestly, running rupty and watching people rage was more fun than playing the game for what it is. If Anet sticks to this concept of an MMO.... even if it is more like WoW (.... zzzzz), who is going to play it? You think I'm gonna buy GW2 after filling my HoM legitimately, getting gwamm, r8, g3 legit? After 5000+ hours of gameplay? I can't imagine so. Because truthfully, with the effort put into GW1 in the last few years, why would I expect anything more from GW2 once they design it? A re-skinned, re-written WoW isn't going to do anyone any good, especially when the Arena Net team won't be adding new content updates every couple of months like WoW does... As BAD as WoW is... it's better than GW... because the designers actually give a damn. =/ sad news for Guild Wars today.

Generally... good luck GW community. - What's left of it, that is.

I'm surprised it took you THIS long to realize all this.

Maybe because when I look at "this community", I never take bots and gold-farmers into account.

Maybe that's that.

fresh start in gw2 atleast for many

Old news. Thank you, good bye!

Wrong. And I also do not accept your assertion that botting was "meta".

I have lots of personal in-game achievements, and I would never risk losing those by using a bot. I assume you decided to take that risk and paid the price.

I fail to see how botting makes the game "fun again". After all, if you're botting, you're not playing. Where's the fun in that? If the game is no longer fun for me... I don't turn to botting - I move on to another game and come back for new War in Kryta stuff, GW2 etc.

The bans were great news, not sad news.

Your complaining that ppl got banned for botting?
If your bored of the game then just move on, no need to bot :P

good read, good read.

this wasn't a QQ post.. it was an awareness post..

"blah blah" is really all I read in your post there mate... flame away bro... I really could care less....

if you don't realize this game is dead... and is dying further... wow.

Botting was meta if 3700 people got banned for it bro... lawl.

lol at all the people raging. just lol. retorts. rebuttals. who cares?!

So...you are blaming Anet that players bot? Wow.

"I'm bored of playing a game, so I'm going to bot it."

I guess that's much more entertaining. It must fall solidly between 'watching grass grow' and 'staring at the clock' on the entertainment scale.

If you're an idiot, that is.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. If you want to see a real dead online game, take a Dark Age of Camelot trial for a week.

Right, because self-satisfaction and following the rules are totally square. Also, my friends are all jumping off a bridge, so...

"Without any love" would mean no content whatsoever. I hate to bring up this tired argument, but other than the costumes, Anet's not seeing a dime off WiK stuff.

Irrelevant in the large scheme of things, but this'll probably get locked anyways. We all know Blizzard invented MMOs. They also came up with Elves, Orcs, Talking Trees, Minotaurs, Magic and Paladins.

So you're basically saying that it's Anet's fault that botters exist? That Anet should have to release content constantly to keep you interested, or else they are forcing you to bot? What ever happened to, "If you get bored of a game, play another game."?

I can't take this thread seriously at all. You got banned for botting, and now you are trying to put the blame on Anet saying that they should of released new content for you so now you are forced to bot. Wow really? Seriously?

You should be grateful Anet made this game for you to play. They don't have to release new content for you. Be happy with what you get and be done with it. Just because you think they didn't release more content to keep you satisfied personally, you think it is their fault that you had to bot the game to make it more entertaining. That is the lamest excuse I have ever heard. People don't bot to make the game more fun to play, they bot because they can't handle the game normally and can't work for stuff like the rest of us do. They have to cheat and hack the system to get what they want.

There is plenty of players that are happy with the content that is given to them. They don't cry about how there isn't enough content being released so now Anet has forced their hand to hack and cheat their game. And botting made the game fun again? How so? The bot plays the game for you. What fun are you having? Sitting back in your chair watching a game play without the need of you?

Basically, if you are bored of a game and there is no more content being released to satisfy your personal needs, go play a different game. That simple. Don't cry about how there isn't enough content so now you are forced to bot the game. Go play something else instead. Now because you decided that "Anet forced you to bot", you have your account banned. Way to go on that one.

So basically:

Arenanet doesn't care about game because there are bots everywhere and anet won't do anything

then

Anet doesn't care about the game because they banned everyone botting

If game doesn't appeal to you anymore, just move forward. Bots and all other shitty stuff are forbidden in EULA which you have accepted before playing, so no hard feelings, right? No subscription fee -system is quite good for leaving the game for a while - and then coming back.

The last phrase about gw2 is mostly bs, so not gonna comment it.

you know alot of people took breaks in gw like i did, did not played for about half year and now playing since weeks again love it never considered to bot. you know why? because it actually is more fun to get titles yourself instead of botting it and no i dont need GWAMM i play for fun.

awwwwwww.... did your GWAMM get reaped?

Botting never was and never has been sanctioned by the EULA. Anyone who used a bot should have known (because it is a REQUIREMENT TO READ THE EULA) that botting is against the rules of the game and will cause your account to get banned.

You're complaining that they did exactly what they promised? Amazing. You're QQ'ing. Anet finally does what they're supposed to do and some people still can't be thankful. Good riddance.

But based on Anet's actions, botting = ban, then unban, and slap on the wrists. Gogo HFFF botters! Or the other title botters that are given the option to have their account back, minus the points they botted...

Good that they're enforcing rules on botting, but Anet needs to be consistent in their approach. Why do some people get off with a slap on the wrists, and others don't?

This.
And..."you didn't bot cause you didn't know where to take it"??? serious???
Yeah botting is really funny, yuuuhuh.
When I'm bored with a game no, what could I do? Have a real life? Play something else? No, botting is the key, is soooo funny putting an automated program on. /sarcasm.

Strange thing this thread is still open.

He was probably botting on it when it happened, and started crying, beating the computer, and kicking his cat.

Different degrees of violation.

yeah news flash, there aren't as many peoples as there used to be!

seriously, everyone knows this.......Anet knows this.....they have the vast majority of their resources working on GW2, with a small team working on WiK. The very just mass ban brought down an already low population. Necessary.

Ooh look, a shiney!

because its the same people.

scenario:
1.bot the crap outa hfff on 10 accounts.
2.get 2 million gold per account, 10 maxed kurzick titles.
3.take 2 weeks off to develop better bots.
4.use sneaky bots.
5.not getting banned?
6.bot on all 10 accounts, 24/7
7.amass ridiculous riches
8.realize ecto sells $30 a stack; poor again.
9.repeat.
10.oh no im banned. oh well made 1000$

This is a QQ thread in disguise, real people are whats gonna be left, whine all you want OP, but a ghost town with bots is still a ghost town. This way it's a ghost town that can titter at all the banned idiots that were too lazy to play

From what the rest of the Guru community is saying...bot is bot. Besides, people who've botted for 2 hours, compared to 2 weeks, all get the same sentence. How can you say different degrees of violation?

To OP , so you consider all bots as community?

I don't care if BOTs community in GW is dying .

As many other players would agree - WE bought the game to Play and what titles we get we get through our own work and toil.
Why buy gw to let a program do it for us - wheres the enjoyment.
Infact why buy a game that obviously you cant play without needing help from a bot where others seem to be able to play and cope with ?
Anet good going and lets hope bots are going to become a dying thing and welcome to real players who play

1) Because I am not those other people who says bot is bot.

2) In my humble opinion, I think that only when you violated the rules, and with that violations, it created griefs and manipulated the PvP results, than it warrant a perma-ban. LIKE SYNC (hint arenanet GIANT HINT)

3) To OP, bots were never a part of the community.

Now don't quote me here but I get the impression that your not happy, but if I am right then just move on get a new game and be happy.
Seriously it's not a big deal its only a game and you must have well got your moneys worth in play by now.

Dying game ? well maybe yes maybe no but its been a fun ride.
Given the decision to change from updating gw1 and adding new content twice a year to starting from scratch with a new game, I think they did pretty well.
Sure they have screwed up occasionally but what company doesn't.

There are few games that I am still playing 4 + years on and its also one of the few games that have had constant additions modifications.

Whereas there have been many many games that I have bought that have been bugged so badly that playing them was a nightmare, some of those never got an update or fix at all.

Count yourselves lucky you bought GW because compared to other games out there this one is a gem.

Points at OP, laughs.

No. I moved on to other videogames. Not to a software to play in my place.

/fail.

I didn't bot, but I knew the site where this game revolution botting was happening (hint).
I saw the instructions to set up a bot, and they were nothing transcendental.
I saw the bot scripts on that site free to grab, and I left them there anyway.

Last week, you were botting, I was not.
Now, you are banned QQing for your GWAMM, I am not.

Don't try to hide the botting cheaters behind the "everyone was doing that, and the ones who weren't doing it just didn't know how, otherwise they would have joined the botters". It is a lame excuse.
I feel happy for not having botted, even if the bots were a couple of clicks away from me, easy to get.

Yup, that's griefing, some find it fun, some others find it lame.
Hope you had enough fun. Now, watching botters rage and whine over their lost accounts is even more entertaining.
Please pass the popcorn. More tears are coming. QQ.

That's not a valid reason to bot.
No videogame is forever. Which game do you pay once and play for more than 5000+ gameplay/5 years? It is inevitable, sooner or later you will run out of content and need to move along. MOVE ALONG.
(and that doesn't mean "bot", means "find another game/hobby". GW isn't the only game on the market.)

After 5000+ hours of gameplay? ROFL. Were you expecting the game to keep you entertained forever?

3700 is a small percentage of players, and the kind we don't need.

To all the botters: enjoy your well deserved ban.
We will enjoy our clean accounts.

Wait, half of Guild Wars community, or half of the GW botting community?

If you meant the former, then... lol, you're an idiot.

If you meant the latter, then... lol, good start Anet, halfway there!

Fail, seriously it has been mentioned often enough here on guru (where to get the bots) and more famously on other forums... and then there is Google, anyone who had the slightest inclination to bot GW didn't have to look very hard... but, as unbelievable as it might sound to you, some people CHOSE not to bot for reasons that are probably beyond your comprehension but could be summed up simply as "they aren't cheating scumbags".

So much useless rant, all as an excuse for why you botted? Sad.

Oh well, thanks for the post.

And never, not once, did it occur to you to stop playing this supposedly boring game?

Cry more please...

And that's really the best part of these bans, people like you won't be in GW2.

Bye bye...

Damn, if only that were true... it would be one of GW2's biggest selling points...

Guild Wars, newer, better, and now with less scum bags! I'd buy it.

This thread made me giggle.

Don't think you could have rediculed yourself more than this

They see me bottin'
They hatin'

They should have their add campaign centered around that slogan. It would get noticed.

At that point ArenaNet is given a choice. Do they kill the botter and ruin the fun of one single person by removing him from the game? Or do they allow the botter to continue frustrate others, potentially driving them away from the game?

The no-griefing ideology of ArenaNet dictates that the monopoly of removing people from the game rests among them, not the botters.

One could point out that ArenaNet does still not care making PvP participation fun enough for people to care, but at least they regain their monopoly.

Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q Q_Q

No one who used a bot should be "arguing" their point of view on here. This is not anet. This is not NCsoft. Stop looking for sympathy and accept the fact that you broke the rules that EVERYONE clearly knows of. You all deserved what you got.

Also, even after all the stuff you complained about, 100k says you'll still get gw2 ;]

If this is your way of thinking then you're deillusional.
It's certainly not hard to find bots if you wanted, as a programmer I could even make one myself. That does not mean that I felt any need for it.