Guild Wars: A ghost town in the making.

belshazaarswrath

belshazaarswrath

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Join Date: Mar 2006

AMP

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Originally Posted by JoeKnowMo View Post
That guarantee doesn't apply to many players I know. You know who spends the majority of time staring at your character? YOU.

Again, like so many posts in here, this is all off-topic, and is a thinly-veiled attempt to un-ban botters.
I agree with you 70000% I know I certainly don't invest in fancy ass weapons in armor for OTHER PEOPLES ENVY since EVERYONE HAS EVERYTHING AND IT'S NICER THAN YOURS most of the time. I think most people are just trying to get nice shit so their character can be aesthetically pleasing and they can have more fun playing the damn game.

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Fact is GW will become a ghost town not because of the banned botters but because of anet's own stupidity
Stupidity? They've raked in a assload of everyones money and has a huge loyal fan base. If that's stupid I don't want to be smart (poor and hated).

JoeKnowMo

JoeKnowMo

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Originally Posted by belshazaarswrath View Post
I think most people are just trying to get nice shit so their character can be aesthetically pleasing and they can have more fun playing the damn game.
I agree. The thing with MMOs is that others can affect prices as well as the commonality of items.

If you see an armor or item on many other players, that thing loses its aesthetic appeal. Heck, Monk FoW armor is just boring now.

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Anyway I can understand people being happy "justice" is served. But at the same time a lot of people seem reveling in it like a pig in shit. Which I find a little unnerving.
I am unnerved by the revelers. But I'm also bothered by those who are using twisted logic to defend their actions.

These people not only took up Anet resources because they had to be monitored and banned, but they're now taking up further resources by pursuing things with ANet. That results in diminished resources for the other players who aren't being a burden on the system. For a game with no monthly fee that sort of encumberance can become a problem for others too.

Reverend Dr

Reverend Dr

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Super Fans Of Gaile [ban]

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Originally Posted by belshazaarswrath View Post
Stupidity! They've raked in a mediocre amounts of a small niche's money and have a small and diminishing fan base.
Fixed that for you.

You know that competitive gaming market? The one that thrives on RTS's and FPS's (there are quite a few of those games that have pulled in more money than GW has)? Well GW had the interest of many of those people, but on release day, day one, day motherRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing one, Anet decided to change a very base part of the game. They made players play through the storyline to unlock skills and items. Every beta prior to release, all players had all skills unlocked and were ready for play immediately. This change just shut that whole community out of the game.

belshazaarswrath

belshazaarswrath

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Join Date: Mar 2006

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Originally Posted by JoeKnowMo View Post
I agree. The thing with MMOs is that others can affect prices as well as the commonality of items.

If you see an armor or item on many other players, that thing loses its aesthetic appeal. Heck, Monk FoW armor is just boring now.



I am unnerved by the revelers. But I'm also bothered by those who are using twisted logic to defend their actions.

These people not only took up Anet resources because they had to be monitored and banned, but they're now taking up further resources by pursuing things with ANet. That results in diminished resources for the other players who aren't being a burden on the system. For a game with no monthly fee that sort of encumberance can become a problem for others too.
I agree. I'm not saying either side is looking like a winner now.

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Fixed that for you.

You know that competitive gaming market? The one that thrives on RTS's and FPS's (there are quite a few of those games that have pulled in more money than GW has)? Well GW had the interest of many of those people, but on release day, day one, day motherRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing one, Anet decided to change a very base part of the game. They made players play through the storyline to unlock skills and items. Every beta prior to release, all players had all skills unlocked and were ready for play immediately. This change just shut that whole community out of the game.

Lol they've sold 6mil+ copies and on top of that have sold all that extra stuff. Which ends up equating to a lot of money. I dont' give a shit if it didn't make as much as halo or wow it still made a decent amount of cash.

And as to the second thing. That seems more like a personal grudge against some shit that happened wai long ago. If you're so damned unhappy why don't you beat it? Go play all the more successful games that are apparently just waiting for you to play them. If you don't think the game has a loyal fanbase that enjoys the game how do you explain the massive butthurt and anger from all the people who got banned?

jbwarrior

jbwarrior

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Netherlands

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I ahve to say that the OP has wright GW is dead, and would never come back alive...maybe with GW2, but if that's gonna be the same with GW1... it will be dead within 2 years.......that's why i chose WoW.....never get bored overthere

Kumu Honua

Kumu Honua

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I can guarantee the moment you would "work" for a BDS or tomentented weapon or whatever, and finally get it, the first thing you would do is Ctrl + click and wait for the "im jealous" comments so you can feel better that you spent the better part of your day aquiring nothing statistically better.
I don't ping my weapons.

When I got my Dryad bow, the only person I told was my friend and his response was "Awesome. Glad you finally got it."

After that, I only enjoy the effort it took to obtain, and respond to those who admire the weapon while I play JQ/FA.

Not everyone has an e-peen that requires constant stroking. Some of us actually enjoy obtaining things ourselves. I could have just bought one.

Lord Sojar

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Join Date: Dec 2005

Oblivion

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I ahve to say that the OP has wright GW is dead, and would never come back alive...maybe with GW2, but if that's gonna be the same with GW1... it will be dead within 2 years.......that's why i chose WoW.....never get bored overthere
Once again, hooray for comments not based on any fact whatsoever and pulled out of the air.

I can do this too!

HERE WE GO!

WoW is a dead game! I give it 1 month 18 hours and 6 minutes and it will be gone forever!

Aion is popular among people who like ham sandwiches, and people who like beef spare ribs don't like to play!

Crysis2 will run on a computer with an nVidia Geforce 5700 LE card at max graphics and 100 frames per second!


As absurd as these comments sound, that is how absurd saying GW1 is a dead game is... completely irrational and illogical. Please stop saying this random madness...

cosyfiep

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

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my first tormented weapon is a secondary focus I use for my ele---it rarely gets out....I am usually the only person to see it (sitting in my weapon slot or in my inventory). My 2nd one--a bow my MESMER uses will never get seen by anyone except possible my husband---I tend to run funny builds---the kind people tell you are NOT acceptable in THEIR group--and KICK!
I got these because I wanted them, not because I have the need to show them to others.
Epeen is NOT why I play, I play to have a good time, which is also why I run MY OWN BUILDS not the cookie cutter stuff that you 'must' do if you are such and such profession-----BORING!!!!

and as such I will still be playing guildwars until I have completed what I want to do (or if the shut the servers off before I make it there), so I dont see the ghost town as I really have little reason to go to most towns anyways. (though the dang lagg is still here...guess with less servers that is gonna happen too).

Reverend Dr

Reverend Dr

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Super Fans Of Gaile [ban]

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Originally Posted by belshazaarswrath View Post
loyal fanbase . . . the people who got banned?
The loyal fanbase that bots at the game. Sure sounds like a winner to me!

The point of bringing up the loss of the competitive market, was that a simple change would have created a significantly larger audience and Anet just threw that away. That is a huge mistake no matter how you look at it.

The 6 mil figure is grossly inaccurate. As every copy is stand-alone they count each sale of factions, prophecies, and nightfall individually: divide that by 3 and you are far close to an accurate number of accounts.

fireflyry

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Join Date: Jan 2007

New Zealand

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Fact is GW will become a ghost town not because of the banned botters but because of anet's own stupidity
That's ludicrous.

It's funny how so many are complaining of player number drops in a 5 year old non-subscription game.

The business model stipulates many of you will get bored and leave.If you can't appreciate the cyclic nature of video games fair enough but don't point the finger at the developer.

It's a genre wide issue.

Stoneys Rock

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Join Date: Jul 2006

Wales, United Kingdom

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Originally Posted by jbwarrior View Post
I ahve to say that the OP has wright GW is dead, and would never come back alive...maybe with GW2, but if that's gonna be the same with GW1... it will be dead within 2 years.......that's why i chose WoW.....never get bored overthere
EU English has been dead for a long long time. Thats why most EU English players latch onto the American districts. 7 Districts of Kamadan ftw.

some-_1

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Join Date: Jan 2008

Reading, England

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^ That. Pretty much everyone from all over the world will hang out in the US districts.

As most people have finished the game yea low end missions are deserted but high-end areas like DoA and Temple of the Ages (FoW/UW) are far from. No one hangs out in LA, Kaineng or Ascalon anymore because everyone sells their stuff in Kammadan. To people like us that have been playing for 2/3+ years it might seem a little dead but to someone who just started this game is going to seem very much alive.

If 3,700 accounts were half of the GWs populace then I doubt Anet would be putting so much effort into the game. I'd estimate that there are at least 50,000 - 100,000 people still active on GWs if not more and when you consider they’ve sold ~6 million copies that estimate might not be to far off.

zwei2stein

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Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

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Originally Posted by belshazaarswrath View Post
And as to the second thing. That seems more like a personal grudge against some shit that happened wai long ago. If you're so damned unhappy why don't you beat it? Go play all the more successful games that are apparently just waiting for you to play them. If you don't think the game has a loyal fanbase that enjoys the game how do you explain the massive butthurt and anger from all the people who got banned?
It seems you do not understand what happened. Also, seriously, trying to gtfo-qqer him? Whoa...

PvP got pretty much nutkick at begining of GW by not enabling UAS. That is universally agreed. And devs also agree on that: One of first thing we learned about GW2 is that PvP will indeed be UAS right from begining.

You must understand that this is something that trully hurt game: It limited potential PvP community to people who were willing to put up with completing PvE, farming XP for skill points (!) and gold to buy skills and for character respecs (!!). It had potential to have much better PvP community and to actually become esport...

It resulted in game changing to PvE based one, with playerbase that is now qqing about being banned for botting.

Femmefatal

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Join Date: May 2010

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Originally Posted by jbwarrior View Post
I ahve to say that the OP has wright GW is dead, and would never come back alive...maybe with GW2, but if that's gonna be the same with GW1... it will be dead within 2 years.......that's why i chose WoW.....never get bored overthere
WOW is a childs toy of a game. They hold you by the hand and easily help you get your levels. There's nothing challenging about that game and it's a porcupine grind from the start to the finish. Only tinkerbells and goldilocks play WOW.

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No one hangs out in LA, Kaineng or Ascalon anymore because everyone sells their stuff in Kammadan
Well that's ^ wrong as there are plenty of sellers and buyers in LA and Kaineng and Balthazars Temple has a whole lot as well. It really depends on what you are selling/buying as to where to market them. Players needing Faction stuff tend to hang in Kaineng, players looking for old gold items of Prophecies or selling Prophecies greens or keys tend to hang out in LA. While Kamadan can be a catchall for most things it is not the sole marketplace by a long shot.
Also district 1 isn't the only place to buy goods either as several districts of each city can have vendors of items you won't even see in district 1's.

So to say "everyone sells their stuff in Kammadan is totally wrong".

Tullzinski

Tullzinski

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Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

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This whole ghost town thing is funny. I have noticed an increase of people in the international dists, could be because of WIK or the bannings either way, I am seeing MORE people than normal.

nitetime

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

eotn

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^I agree^ Maybe a bit of both as I have recently returned just to check things out after Dhuums Day and now im even thinking about playing through the WiK content. Good times.

belshazaarswrath

belshazaarswrath

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr View Post
The loyal fanbase that bots at the game. Sure sounds like a winner to me!

The point of bringing up the loss of the competitive market, was that a simple change would have created a significantly larger audience and Anet just threw that away. That is a huge mistake no matter how you look at it.

The 6 mil figure is grossly inaccurate. As every copy is stand-alone they count each sale of factions, prophecies, and nightfall individually: divide that by 3 and you are far close to an accurate number of accounts.
Yea and they get paid for each sale of proph,factions, and nightfall individually...which is what matters when looking at getting paid.


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PvP got pretty much nutkick at begining of GW by not enabling UAS. That is universally agreed. And devs also agree on that: One of first thing we learned about GW2 is that PvP will indeed be UAS right from begining.

You must understand that this is something that trully hurt game: It limited potential PvP community to people who were willing to put up with completing PvE, farming XP for skill points (!) and gold to buy skills and for character respecs (!!). It had potential to have much better PvP community and to actually become esport...

It resulted in game changing to PvE based one, with playerbase that is now qqing about being banned for botting.
That might be the case but that's still that happened a long time ago and this game has evolved into a completely different one. And if it that much more of a focus on PvP I don't think the PvE would be as good...and that has been the most fun part of guild wars for me and I'm sure many others. Some people are more inclined to PvE and some are more inclined to PvP so anet made something that made PvE more prevalent.

So much change has happened since then I don't see why it's being brought up. Unless you're trying to introduce to PvE vs PvP argument into this one...

firadesunna

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

The Ruby Knights of Ascalon [Ruby]

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Originally Posted by Mitchel View Post
So...you are blaming Anet that players bot? Wow.
yeah but it isnt only bots getting banned :/ ive been playing this game since just after release, braught every campaign within days of release and today I got perma banned for payment fraud? seriously? the money has come out of my bank account and I have no idea how to reverse charge before people come up with theories about that

also my friend got banned for botting when I know for a fact he wouldnt even have the brain cells to work out how to set it up

Femmefatal

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Join Date: May 2010

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Originally Posted by firadesunna View Post
yeah but it isnt only bots getting banned :/ ive been playing this game since just after release, braught every campaign within days of release and today I got perma banned for payment fraud? seriously? the money has come out of my bank account and I have no idea how to reverse charge before people come up with theories about that

also my friend got banned for botting when I know for a fact he wouldnt even have the brain cells to work out how to set it up
Haha another one bites the dust. But in your case that payment fraud thing is a bug and you'll get your account reactivated provided you keep pestering them about it. But, yer friend haha he's out kaputchka. Doesn't matter if they have the brain cells to work out how to set it up when something is on his computer that says he can bot even if he hasn't botted, doesn't matter yer gone buddy. Bye Byeee waves!

SunfallE

SunfallE

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West Texas

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

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Originally Posted by some-_1 View Post
To people like us that have been playing for 2/3+ years it might seem a little dead but to someone who just started this game is going to seem very much alive.
This.

I got the game back in October and the banning didn't affect much of the population at all where I play in PvE. I may not have been around for when there were a lot more players, but there are still plenty of people out playing the game. So it's definitely far from being dead.

belshazaarswrath

belshazaarswrath

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There's an assload of people pre doing their pre shit too...which could give some the illusion of the game being sparsely populated.

Zebideedee

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WoW has rubbish gfx and the people used to advertise it are all hasbeens who no-one has any respect for...oh wait, thought this was the wah wah, I'm banned, mummy can't help me thread!

firadesunna

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

The Ruby Knights of Ascalon [Ruby]

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Originally Posted by Femmefatal View Post
Haha another one bites the dust. But in your case that payment fraud thing is a bug and you'll get your account reactivated provided you keep pestering them about it. But, yer friend haha he's out kaputchka. Doesn't matter if they have the brain cells to work out how to set it up when something is on his computer that says he can bot even if he hasn't botted, doesn't matter yer gone buddy. Bye Byeee waves!
he never even downloaded one :P

cebalrai

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2007

Mature Gaming Association

Me/E

Seeing Anet get serious about the bot problem actually got me back into the game. I was playing only about 3 hours per month and now I'm logging in again about 5 days per week.

Shasgaliel

Shasgaliel

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Join Date: Apr 2008

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Originally Posted by cebalrai View Post
Seeing Anet get serious about the bot problem actually got me back into the game. I was playing only about 3 hours per month and now I'm logging in again about 5 days per week.
same. I even started to check guru threads again.

Aljasha

Aljasha

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Join Date: May 2009

GW won't die until GW2 dies, so there are another 5 years to go.

fireflyry

fireflyry

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Join Date: Jan 2007

New Zealand

A/D

This thread is based on bannage rage.

As expected this is slowly passing as it's a minority exaggeration:

"I got banned for botting,.....can't play anymore......log on to Guru...this game is dead!!!Rage on.......!!!!!"

All our old skool alliance members are coming back and I'm playing GvG again.

I'll be glad to see the the back of these threads.

(ignore irony)

Dervish Kid

Dervish Kid

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Join Date: Aug 2007

Florida

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Ghost town indeed. I've been seeing random people running in circles in GTOB a lot lately. lol, must be bored.

Gun Pierson

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Belgium

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Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk View Post
For those of you who didn't bot, you simply didn't know where to get it.
Botting is for losers. Go play Mario or something.

xp4p45murfx

xp4p45murfx

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2010

Speak Backwards We Do [Yoda]

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yeah alot of people seem to not have anything to do...me included haha

ruk1a

ruk1a

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UR MOM LOL

ATTACK OF THE KILLER TOMATOES

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dashing good story, young scallywag!

Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

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yeah alot of people seem to not have anything to do...me included haha
War in Kryta....?

Femmefatal

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Originally Posted by Shasgaliel View Post
same. I even started to check guru threads again.
Same here and even nearly all my old guildmates have returned since the major banning. GW is alive and well and you know how doomsayers are if they don't like a game then it's dying. lol I'd say it's growing a bit as outposts and cities I used to go to that were barren are starting to get population again. Get rid of the bad eggs in a basket and you can add new ones and people will buy them again.

Countess Marie

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

Theatre Debauchery

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Uh... I've been bored with Guild Wars plenty, but I didn't bot. Try something different like taking a break from the game. The thing is... if you are bored with Guild Wars then why bother botting? It makes no sense.

Guild Wars is a really good game. I know if anyone who knows me read this they'd be laughing because I have insulted Guild Wars so much, but it's because you get burnt out after awhile. All in all, it's the best Massive Multiplayer game. AND it's free.

It's disrespectful to everyone to bot. The fact that anyone who botted can say anything after getting banned is beyond me. You reaped the rewards for how long. Now, reality hit. How can you have the nerve to whine about it on Guru?

Edit: Oh and, seriously?

"For those of you who didn't bot, you simply didn't know where to get it. Honestly, when something becomes meta (obviously botting was), this community of ours nestles into it wholeheartedly."

Can you really believe that? I personally got my fill of Guild Wars e-peen back in 2006. You're wrong on so many accounts. First of all, there are people who would never dream of botting because IT CAN GET YOUR ACCOUNT BANNED (believe it or not lol.) I'd like to know how many hours you logged of actual playtime. I'm not about to waste all of my effort and get my super-sexy characters deleted.

I play Guild Wars for fun. To hang out with friends and maybe do something that I deem challenging or maybe just roll an easy area. With all of the gifts anet gave you... consumables... pve skills... nerfing normal mode to unplayability, you still needed more. Sad.

-CM

Xiaquin

Xiaquin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2010

[aRIN]

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Dear OP,

I have 4 years of play under my belt, and everything you said is so backwards this thread should have divided by zero upon submission.

You claim to have 5000+ hours of game play, amounting to something like 3 hours a day, for almost 5 straight years, give or take. You cannot possibly expect a developer operating on a free-to-play service to commit 100% of their resources to pumping out enough content to sate your endless thirst. That is completely selfish and if granted, would mean no sequel, period.

The amount of content released has not been lacking, and new content is still being released to help bridge the lore gaps as GW2 approaches. How can you possibly compare this free service to the ubiquitous WoW, with over 11 million subscribers paying a hefty monthly fee that *allows* Blizzard to pump out the content they receive in return? You have lived free of charge in GW, and you slam Anet for not keeping up with the cash-raking Blizzard ($381m profit, Q1 2010)?

If you bothered to read the blog post about the recent bannings, you would know that Anet has always been fighting botters, this is actually a step to show players, visually, that it's happening. Instead, you take the position that 5,000+ hours of game play over 5 years is simply not good enough, and that Anet forced people to bot. You are clearly trolling at this point.

I won't even rebuke the "re-written, re-skinned WoW" commentary, which just shows how ignorant you are of GW2. I should probably correct myself, your entire post showed how entirely ignorant you are, period.

Here is an idea for you, since it's good practice to help others: If you play for thousands of hours and get bored, play something else! You should be thanking every one of the people that have provided you with thousands of hours of entertainment, subscription-free. I'm tired of hearing people like you claim Anet isn't doing enough, when I've enjoyed all of my time playing this game, no thanks to your ilk.

BuD

BuD

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Nunya

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Originally Posted by Femmefatal View Post
Get rid of the bad eggs in a basket
Youre one of em...reporting EVERY monk in Bergen Hot Springs for botting.....

Aba

Aba

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

Vancouver,Canada

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Today, over 3700 accounts were banned due to botting and use of third-party programs. Let's take a moment and really break down how and why nearly half of the populous of this dying online community spontaneously combusted.
Thats is where you started and this is where I ended......



Your attempt to make other players, and Anet feel sympathy and pain for your lose of a account that used illegal means to get stuff is pathetic.
You give no good reason as to why you and your fellow counterparts should be given special treatment and aloud to cheat.

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

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Originally Posted by PuppyEater View Post
And? Plenty of games nowadays charge money for add ons that take as much time, get over it...
You get what you pay for. WiK is obviously free for a reason.

myopic

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

Relative to the launch of the game and the player population at that time, the game is definitely a ghost town.

As frustrating as pug-ing can be at times, that was really the only reason I played for as long as I did. The replay value became almost nonexistent for me with the introduction of heroes, and that was when I basically stopped playing.

I login occasionally to loiter around LA, and GToB, but that's basically the extent of my gameplay now.

Cool Down

Cool Down

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Join Date: Mar 2009

Denmark

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I'm so sick and tired of hearing people go "oh man Guild Wars is so dead".
I still play, and have played for the 5 years. The game has changed a lot since it first came out,
and I'm not happy with a lot of the things either. But, I currently am in a very active guild. We play a lot together, do stuff like RP, events, lottery and etc. To me the game is far from dead.
And if you think the game is dead, then stop playing it, and stop posting here.
Since its not pay to play, there's nothing to keep you from just wandering of to something else.

or maybe find a nice guild and some people to play with, that might revive it for you