Guild Wars: A ghost town in the making.

Pleikki

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???oo ???ugs ???lan [?????????]

I shall pity all of u botting scums!

Nerel

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Australia, what you want my home address?

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Originally Posted by Mexay View Post
Lol wutz? Elves and orcs and talking trees and minotaurs and magc and paladins. Soz if that was sarcasm but seriously...

the concept of magic ahs beena round since humans, orcs was Tolkien's Invention... paladins was an age old Christian thing, minotaurs... from memorya greek/roman myth?? Elves... well that just... i mean... the way they are in Wow was tolkien, the name was like... Medievil?


Again apologies if that was sarcasm... but if it wasn't your a fool.
Yes, Tolkien didn't lift Orc from the epic Beowulf, and that wasn't in turn lifted from Old Norse mythology... no, not at all.

He also didn't use Orc and Goblin interchangeably, and even if he did, that's okay because he invented Goblins too!

And it's only sarcasm if you aren't talking to rabid Blizzard/Warcraft/WoW fans... you know, the tools that claim that Warhammer is copying the graphic style of WoW, while overlooking that Warcraft was originally a video game version of the Warhammer tabletop miniature game that got REJECTED by the folks at Games Workshop, so Blizzard kept the style/art and changed the names where applicable. Blizzard invented EVERYTHING that has EVER been done in ANY computer game, didn't you know?

Phaern Majes

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All I can say is Guru community I love you guys! All the sarcasm and sassy wit is entertaining me to no end Seriously, glad these botters are leaving town, I may come back and pvp again.

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Originally Posted by Phaern Majes View Post
All I can say is Guru community I love you guys! All the sarcasm and sassy wit is entertaining me to no end Seriously, glad these botters are leaving town, I may come back and pvp again.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. There are still balance issues long since outstanding.

Juhgis

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I have four letters for you guys. EULA. Nuff said.

Danzo Dattori

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At least Im glad Guild Wars isn't turning into a Silkroad Online anytime soon.

vamp08

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Originally Posted by (Datura) View Post
For the last 3 years the NPD survey has had Guild Wars as the 3rd most played mmo.
#1 WoW
#2 Runescape
#3 Guild wars

2007, 2008, 2009.
We were beaten' by Runescape for 3 straight years? I knew I had justification for playing that game for the same amount as guild wars.

I give mad props to Andrew, he managed to beat a company backed by another, more large, company.

Sword Hammer Axe

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Pfft. You know what, I don't care about PvE botters. They are simply lousy characters. I don't like PvP botters, because they actually ruin a gaming experience for other people.

But I will say that to everyone who has been botting: You were digging your own graves. Don't try and blame anything on Anet, because they are doing fine and it was YOU who broke the rules. When I see Dhuum comming your way, I will dance on your burning corpse. ^^

Razon

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Haha I love how things here work:

1. First lots of people complain about something
2. When anet does something about it, people complain even more about it

It's a vicious circle that never ends.

Da Bears

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This is just sad. Can a forum moderator plz close this thread already? ^^

MithranArkanere

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Gw is pretty healthy, thank you.
I've been seeing a lot of new people lately, thanks to Steam and friends of those that found it on Steam.
The main reason GW is played by so little people is marketing.
How many GW ads have you seen?
Compare that number with WoW ads. Those are everywhere.
When you get to know GW, if you have at least one sensible brain cell, you stay.

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Originally Posted by vamp08 View Post
We were beaten' by Runescape for 3 straight years? I knew I had justification for playing that game for the same amount as guild wars.

I give mad props to Andrew, he managed to beat a company backed by another, more large, company.
Wow is played because 'everybody else does'.
Runescape because 'nothing else better runs in my computer.
And Guild Wars because... they tried it.

belshazaarswrath

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Originally Posted by Razon View Post
Haha I love how things here work:

1. First lots of people complain about something
2. When anet does something about it, people complain even more about it

It's a vicious circle that never ends.
Yea but if people didn't complain nothing would really improve (or at least hey wouldn't improve quickly). Necessary evil.

Anyhoo at this point it really doesn't matter. They're banned and theres not shit anyone can do about it. If you botted in this game clearly you had something more pressing to do than play the game anyway...so why not go fill your time with whatever that is?

jayson

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So if we go to the UW, can we get to see the corpses of the botters laying all over the place?

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Originally Posted by jayson View Post
So if we go to the UW, can we get to see the corpses of the botters laying all over the place?
Lord no, please, I don't want to think of getting botter scum remains on my characters boots, just imagine the smell...

Grj

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn View Post
Lord no, please, I don't want to think of getting botter scum remains on my characters boots, just imagine the smell...
Thats not so bad if we get to keep their stuff

Trub

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn View Post
Lord no, please, I don't want to think of getting botter scum remains on my characters boots, just imagine the smell...
No fear...I'm sure the smites and skellies enjoyed their corpses for a light snak.

Sword Hammer Axe

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere View Post
Gw is pretty healthy, thank you.
I've been seeing a lot of new people lately, thanks to Steam and friends of those that found it on Steam.
The main reason GW is played by so little people is marketing.
How many GW ads have you seen?
Compare that number with WoW ads. Those are everywhere.
When you get to know GW, if you have at least one sensible brain cell, you stay.
Actually even without marketing, GW has sold more than 5 million copies. That's just as many, or maybe even more than there're people in my home country o.o GW has become one of the most valid games ever, and has kept it's place as one of the top games for years, and seeing as there're more and more people buying the add-ons such as costumes and storage and stuff, GW will probably stay healthy for at least until GW2 comes out, and probably even longer o.0

Calling GW a dead game: Not knowing about it's success XD WD anet, truly.

Now if GW started making more tv-adds and such, how much do you think their profit would increase? >

Lagg

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Play them off, keyboard cat.

Play them all off.

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Are you guys really going to argue Guild Wars is a better game than WoW? Or even Runescape for that matter?

I understand where on GUILDWARSguru, but I thought anno 2010 people learned how not to be a fanboy and actually be objective when it comes down to rating games.

Guild Wars is (was) a good game, but to argue that it's better than WoW or Runescape is doing nothing more than only taking the few niches Guild Wars has, and letting those be the only priority in rating the games.

For example:

The storyline/missions in Guild Wars is amazing, by far the best of all 3, but the fact that it ends there (No end-game whatsoever) makes it undoubtingly the worse of the 3.

The fact that Guild Wars has the best graphics is a definite plus, but the fact that the game has no replayability whatsoever (Not even in PvP which has been shit ever since 2006/2007) gives you no reason whatsoever to keep admiring the astonishing graphics.

Guild Wars definatly has the edge on some aspects, but the fact that it's non-existent on some others simply can not make it the better game. As mentioned a million times before: Guild Wars was (is?) a PvP game from the ground up. It was designed as one, it was run as one for the first year (s) and the intire game is based on the fact that PvP is the end-game.

But since Anet abandonded PvP a long time ago the end-game died out, and Guild Wars lost it's only "ace".

And the more time passes by, the more this becomes apparent. WoW and Runescape communities have only increased/stagnated over the past 5 years, Guild Wars PvE community shrunk alot and the PvP community completely died out. (To the extend where the PvE community has overrun PvP (HA and even GvG) because there simply isn't any competition)

Guild Wars, anno 2010, is a "terrible" game to buy, unless for the casual gamer who wishes to nothing more than complete the storyline once. Every other person will find what they are looking for in other, better games.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man View Post
Are you guys really going to argue Guild Wars is a better game than WoW? Or even Runescape for that matter?

I understand where on GUILDWARSguru, but I thought anno 2010 people learned how not to be a fanboy and actually be objective when it comes down to rating games.

Guild Wars is (was) a good game, but to argue that it's better than WoW or Runescape is doing nothing more than only taking the few niches Guild Wars has, and letting those be the only priority in rating the games.

For example:

The storyline/missions in Guild Wars is amazing, by far the best of all 3, but the fact that it ends there (No end-game whatsoever) makes it undoubtingly the worse of the 3.

The fact that Guild Wars has the best graphics is a definite plus, but the fact that the game has no replayability whatsoever (Not even in PvP which has been shit ever since 2006/2007) gives you no reason whatsoever to keep admiring the astonishing graphics.

Guild Wars definatly has the edge on some aspects, but the fact that it's non-existent on some others simply can not make it the better game. As mentioned a million times before: Guild Wars was (is?) a PvP game from the ground up. It was designed as one, it was run as one for the first year (s) and the intire game is based on the fact that PvP is the end-game.

But since Anet abandonded PvP a long time ago the end-game died out, and Guild Wars lost it's only "ace".

And the more time passes by, the more this becomes apparent. WoW and Runescape communities have only increased/stagnated over the past 5 years, Guild Wars PvE community shrunk alot and the PvP community completely died out. (To the extend where the PvE community has overrun PvP (HA and even GvG) because there simply isn't any competition)

Guild Wars, anno 2010, is a "terrible" game to buy, unless for the casual gamer who wishes to nothing more than complete the storyline once. Every other person will find what they are looking for in other, better games.
says the man that hasn't played due to a ban and ignore from Anet personally in how long? In your absence quite a good bit of content was added, taking your personal vendetta out on the guru community has much less impact then you would hope... that being said, though GW isn't at its peak numbers, it has more loyalty then just those who play every day of the week. For even those that have moved on to different games (or can't seem to in your case) GW2 is looming, the recent WiK updates have made at least some impact in getting us geared up and involved in the transition to GW2, the invalid argument that this is a dead game can be backed up by the shear number of people, though banned that still actively participate in these forums. If you are writing here, you care about the game, whether you admit it or not. How else can you explain some people refusing to let go after being removed?

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn View Post
How else can you explain some people refusing to let go after being removed?
Stalker.....

Astindan

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2010

Elite Empire [EE]

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Originally Posted by Riot Narita View Post
Wrong...
...The bans were great news, not sad news.
So true. The less botters, the better.
I don't care about PVE bots, but the PVP bots just ruin the gameplay.

Gennadios

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Join Date: Jun 2009

N/A

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Originally Posted by Astindan View Post
So true. The less botters, the better.
I don't care about PVE bots, but the PVP bots just ruin the gameplay.
The less people with our hard earned GW1 HOM bonuses in GW2 the better...

MArcSinus

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Originally Posted by Astindan View Post
So true. The less botters, the better.
I don't care about PVE bots, but the PVP bots just ruin the gameplay.
I know fighting against this monk or mesmer bot might me extremely frustrating, but I like the idea of all the gold farm bots who are destroying the economy, walking away with all titles and our hard earned HoM bonusses even less..

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Originally Posted by MArcSinus View Post
I know fighting against this monk or mesmer bot might me extremely frustrating, but I like the idea of all the gold farm bots who are destroying the economy, walking away with all titles and our hard earned HoM bonusses even less..
I don't like both but sometimes when playing against pvp bots there above human reflexes makes winning impossible and pvp has titles with HoM bonuses too.

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Originally Posted by Gennadios View Post
The less people with our hard earned GW1 HOM bonuses in GW2 the better...
Indeed.

*HM Farmer LF Leechers*
*joins group*
*AFK*
*Max asura rank*

Hard-earned or Hardly earned?

Bandwagon

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Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk View Post
Dear Gurus,

Today, over 3700 accounts were banned due to botting and use of third-party programs. Let's take a moment and really break down how and why nearly half of the populous of this dying online community spontaneously combusted.
Citation needed

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Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk View Post

Arena-Net has offered us so many lovely content additions in the recent history, such as costumes, NPCs to talk trade useless crap for other useless crap, ways to change our character from a down-syndrome having asian infant, and finally the War in Kryta quest chain. These additions have molded the community from a dying game, to a dying game that the players realize won't get better. I understand GW2 is on the rise, but that's been the case for 2 years without any love for the original, and will continue to be the case for months to come. With this being said, what do the players with 3-5 years under their belt have to do? Repeat missions, vanqs, dungeons? Needlessly grind out speed clears (which Anet failed at attempting to shut down)? Or maybe participating in nerdy e-peen battles on a nightly basis with the same morons every night in HA? THIS my friends, is precisely why people bot. It makes the game fun again. Personally, I've achieved GWAMM, r8, g3 on my own, no bot help. I moved to PvP because there was nothing else left to do in PvE. When PvP becomes redundant, you simply move on (botting). An evolutionary process mediated by A-net themselves.
Citation needed

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Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk View Post
For those of you who didn't bot, you simply didn't know where to get it. Honestly, when something becomes meta (obviously botting was), this community of ours nestles into it wholeheartedly. So basically, my point is this: Anet killed this game by not updating it enough. Without enough content updates, or micro-transactions, or anything that normal, successful MMOs employ to keep their game active, this game died out. 15 minute zaishen wait times in HA, empty districts in PvE zones, etc... BEFORE the ban-o-mania. Just imagine what the future months will behold.
Fair enough, but breaking the EULA is no excuse for a lack of content by the developer.

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Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk View Post
I would just like to note with this post, that the people that botted, didn't necessarily bot because they wanted a maxed title, or money, or fame, or glad, etc.. etc... Personally... I just didn't know what else to do... Second GWAMM? ok.. bot account wide titles (treasure, luxon.) Bot eotn titles. Who cares? I've done them already... If a game wants to combat botting, don't let the players get bored of said game. Honestly, running rupty and watching people rage was more fun than playing the game for what it is. If Anet sticks to this concept of an MMO.... even if it is more like WoW (.... zzzzz), who is going to play it? You think I'm gonna buy GW2 after filling my HoM legitimately, getting gwamm, r8, g3 legit? After 5000+ hours of gameplay? I can't imagine so. Because truthfully, with the effort put into GW1 in the last few years, why would I expect anything more from GW2 once they design it? A re-skinned, re-written WoW isn't going to do anyone any good, especially when the Arena Net team won't be adding new content updates every couple of months like WoW does... As BAD as WoW is... it's better than GW... because the designers actually give a damn. =/ sad news for Guild Wars today.
I agree, at least subscription games update regularly. We can only hope GW2 capitalizes on this realization and attempts to counter subscription games accordingly.

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Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk View Post
Generally... good luck GW community. - What's left of it, that is.
Thank you kind sir...

midnightduo1

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Join Date: Aug 2008

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i dont actually see a noticeable drop in the population...

lions arch is busy as always, alliance battles are still packed full of baddies and fun and gtob and stuff is still full

that and 3 of my friends came back to gw, so theres at least 3 more people that came back to gw because of the ban

i dont see no ghost town

ps: im no competitive pvper or hardcore farmer, so i may not see this big drop in player population if im not in the right places....wherever this place is

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Originally Posted by midnightduo1 View Post
i dont actually see a noticeable drop in the population...

lions arch is busy as always, alliance battles are still packed full of baddies and fun and gtob and stuff is still full

that and 3 of my friends came back to gw, so theres at least 3 more people that came back to gw because of the ban

i dont see no ghost town

ps: im no competitive pvper or hardcore farmer, so i may not see this big drop in player population if im not in the right places....wherever this place is
You are right. The point that GW is becomming a ghost town is ridiculous. It's doing as well as always, and that's a measurable fact.

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Originally Posted by Sword Hammer Axe View Post
It's doing as well as always, and that's a measurable fact.
It's not doing any worse than before the ban but "as well as always" isn't true. There's been a pretty steep drop in the number of people playing since 2007-2008.

cebalrai

Jungle Guide

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Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk View Post
Dear Gurus,

I would just like to note with this post, that the people that botted, didn't necessarily bot because they wanted a maxed title, or money, or fame, or glad, etc.. etc... Personally... I just didn't know what else to do...
So when you were no longer entertained with GW, instead of quitting you became a cheater?

And wow, you accuse the devs of banning botters because they don't care? In reality, ALLOWING botters would show they didn't care.

Aljasha

Aljasha

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Join Date: May 2009

Imo the ban scythe,the latest skill updates, the wik slowly kicking off (bounties) and the latest dev announcement gave gw a significant boost in activity. I don't think that there are many more players, but many are returning and kryta is a new major spot for pugging again. i can only applaud anet for such a good move.

note: i am no advocate of dartboard buffs, but many buffed skills are not that overpowered and the meta is rejuvenating.

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Originally Posted by belshazaarswrath View Post
It's not doing any worse than before the ban but "as well as always" isn't true. There's been a pretty steep drop in the number of people playing since 2007-2008.
Well, as always may be incorrect I admit What I meant is that even though a lotta people leave, more new people come, not to mention the fact that GW has been around for 5 years. Seriously any game would start declining after 5 years and compared to that fact, GW is actually doing better than I've ever woulda guessed when I first bought it 5 years ago.

JoeKnowMo

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Quote:
Originally Posted by cebalrai
So when you were no longer entertained with GW, instead of quitting you became a cheater?

And wow, you accuse the devs of banning botters because they don't care? In reality, ALLOWING botters would show they didn't care.
QFT.

If you're bored, do play another MMO or another of the countless games being released every month.

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Originally Posted by Sword Hammer Axe View Post
Seriously any game would start declining after 5 years and compared to that fact, GW is actually doing better than I've ever woulda guessed when I first bought it 5 years ago.
Yep yep. Good luck navigating the trade channel in Kamadan.

belshazaarswrath

belshazaarswrath

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Originally Posted by Sword Hammer Axe View Post
Well, as always may be incorrect I admit What I meant is that even though a lotta people leave, more new people come, not to mention the fact that GW has been around for 5 years. Seriously any game would start declining after 5 years and compared to that fact, GW is actually doing better than I've ever woulda guessed when I first bought it 5 years ago.
I agree with you there. Specially since the average MMORPG's lifespan these day is is what 6 months?

However I think the ban did piss away a lot of Guild Wars big wealth (rare mini's really really rare weapons). That's not really THAT huge of a deal though.

Sirius Bsns

Banned

Join Date: May 2010

PonG

W/Mo

The game's pretty much dead. So much that players converted over to NPCs long ago. Hence, all the bannings!

cosyfiep

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

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if its a ghost town, WHY is there still so much LAG?????????????

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep View Post
if its a ghost town, WHY is there still so much LAG?????????????
Server retardery.

Lord Sojar

Lord Sojar

The Fallen One

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oblivion

Irrelevant

Mo/Me

GW isn't a ghost town.

These threads are getting soooo old.

You cheat. You get banned. GO AWAY

Morphy

Morphy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2009

The Netherlands

Not going to keep up with that anymore

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief View Post
GW isn't a ghost town.

These threads are getting soooo old.

You cheat. You get banned. GO AWAY
^ That, pretty much.