Guild Wars: A ghost town in the making.
Shayne Hawke
The next step after getting bored with a game is quitting it, not ruining it.
Ninja Ninja
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
the aim was to buy the buyable grind titles, buy the rest of armour sets
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Where would you get your money from then? I think you liked the fact bots weren't legal because it made them scarce and gave you high rewards for farming because of the majority playing it the right way.
Ninja Ninja
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
From bots?
I dunno if you're aware of this but the main income from raptor farming was direct platinum, scrolls, that sort of thing. |
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
I did not like the fact that they weren't allowed.
And because it made them scarce? Why would I want that? I am not a power-trading shitstain who wants to keep things away from everyone else. Quite the opposite; you do know that I've advocated a PvP equipment system for PvE several times in the past to eliminate farming and "wealth" in Guild Wars, right? |
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
Of course you don't; you're not really a Guru community member; your profile's post count and age indicates you probably showed up only for the occasion.
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cormac ap dunn
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
From bots?
I dunno if you're aware of this but the main income from raptor farming was direct platinum, scrolls, that sort of thing. I did not like the fact that they weren't allowed. And because it made them scarce? Why would I want that? I am not a power-trading shitstain who wants to keep things away from everyone else. Quite the opposite; you do know that I've advocated a PvP equipment system for PvE several times in the past to eliminate farming and "wealth" in Guild Wars, right? Of course you don't; you're not really a Guru community member; your profile's post count and age indicates you probably showed up only for the occasion. |
cormac ap dunn
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
First of all, not ultra rich, unless you consider ~1,000k to be ultra rich, because that's the highest I ever reached. Compared to elite HAers, power traders, DoA players, etc, with their multiple stacks of ectos... I don't think so.
Secondly, I did not buy any rare items. The most rare thing I've owned is a Q13 voltaic spear given to me as a gift by an old guild leader who left the game. I don't see how prices are driven up by bringing more gold into the game and then spending that on sweet tooth / party animal items, which are designed to be consumed. |
fireflyry
You guys should have just tried my full-proof ban free method.
"I expect a full HoM by morning Wolfy!!!"
"I expect a full HoM by morning Wolfy!!!"
cormac ap dunn
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
Ah. Well, I don't defend the actions of those who used them for purposes similar to a power trader (of greed) or to grief players (in PvP).
Only those who used it as a means to bypass grind. Nothing more. And I must take my leave now; sleep and all that. Maybe tommorrow the self-righteous masses will have piped down a bit and we can continue discussing this civilly. |
Ninja Ninja
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
Ah. Well, I don't defend the actions of those who used them for purposes similar to a power trader (of greed) or to grief players (in PvP).
Only those who used it as a means to bypass grind. Nothing more. And I must take my leave now; sleep and all that. Maybe tommorrow the self-righteous masses will have piped down a bit and we can continue discussing this civilly. |
You botting for money for party/sweet title is funny because what other use do those titles have other than prestige?
Lord Sojar
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Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk
this wasn't a QQ post.. it was an awareness post..
"blah blah" is really all I read in your post there mate... flame away bro... I really could care less.... if you don't realize this game is dead... and is dying further... wow. Botting was meta if 3700 people got banned for it bro... lawl. |
Botters weren't players, they were cheaters. GoodBYE!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
I did not like the fact that they weren't allowed.
And because it made them scarce? Why would I want that? I am not a power-trading shitstain who wants to keep things away from everyone else. Quite the opposite; you do know that I've advocated a PvP equipment system for PvE several times in the past to eliminate farming and "wealth" in Guild Wars, right? Of course you don't; you're not really a Guru community member; your profile's post count and age indicates you probably showed up only for the occasion. |
Bots don't belong in a game. Any excuse you can come up with as to why they do is bull, and isn't correct. Bots are against the rules, they are cheating, period, end of story. If you bot, you get banned. If you get banned, you QQ about it. Bots are evil, and those who use them are evil cheating scum. They deserved to be banned, if not for botting, than simply for being stupid enough to believe that botting was ok.
Del
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
To clarify: his join date is 2006 and he's made ~230 posts, and on top of that I'd never seen him on this forum before. So it stands to reason he hasn't been here in a long time; only came following the ban wave.
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cormac ap dunn
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My post count exceeds yours, I I disagree. By this logic, my opinion is greater than yours in importance and correctness. |
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To clarify: his join date is 2006 and he's made ~230 posts, and on top of that I'd never seen him on this forum before. So it stands to reason he hasn't been here in a long time; only came following the ban wave. |
). To the point Ninja is just trolly by nature, lets try to keep that in mind in all this 
belshazaarswrath
5 year old game is dying? Nooooooooo
It's not p2p thus they can't afford constant updates...thus they can't update it constantly forever...thus it will get boring at some point.
It's not p2p thus they can't afford constant updates...thus they can't update it constantly forever...thus it will get boring at some point.
Trub
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Originally Posted by Del
I just figured he isn't one of those people who goes around posting asinine shit and farming +1s. but what do i know?
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OT: oh yeah....bots=bad.
3rd party programs=bad.
Syncing=bad.
griefing/racism/foul language=bad.
sharing accounts=bad.
The EULA is +5 years old..but if I squint...yep!..it's still readable.
cormac ap dunn
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Originally Posted by belshazaarswrath
5 year old game is dying? Nooooooooo
It's not p2p thus they can't afford constant updates...thus they can't update it constantly forever...thus it will get boring at some point. |
Nerel
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Originally Posted by fireflyry
You guys should have just tried my full-proof ban free method.
"I expect a full HoM by morning Wolfy!!!" |
Venla
I would just like to add, against the notion that the raptor-farming bot hurts no one:
Many people who manually farmed cupcakes (and seldom got more than 10 stacks) this month were complaining the other day about raptor-farming bots flooding the market and therefore making it impossible for them to sell their hard-won goods at anything but a ridiculous price to be competitive. Human players have to stop to eat, rest their eyes, sleep, etc. once in a while. Bots don't.
Many folks, including me, find small-time trading fun. (That's how I can afford basically whatever I want in the game without farming btw.) Bots price us out of the market, in the same way that big corps like Wal-Mart price out small businesses. Not everyone who bots plays the market as well, but I think its fair to say that most do, and that it would be near impossible for Anet to sort the bot accounts that trade from the ones that don't.
I agree that a perma-ban for pve botting is harsh, but to say that botting can ever be a completely innocent activity is missing the point imo.
Many people who manually farmed cupcakes (and seldom got more than 10 stacks) this month were complaining the other day about raptor-farming bots flooding the market and therefore making it impossible for them to sell their hard-won goods at anything but a ridiculous price to be competitive. Human players have to stop to eat, rest their eyes, sleep, etc. once in a while. Bots don't.
Many folks, including me, find small-time trading fun. (That's how I can afford basically whatever I want in the game without farming btw.) Bots price us out of the market, in the same way that big corps like Wal-Mart price out small businesses. Not everyone who bots plays the market as well, but I think its fair to say that most do, and that it would be near impossible for Anet to sort the bot accounts that trade from the ones that don't.
I agree that a perma-ban for pve botting is harsh, but to say that botting can ever be a completely innocent activity is missing the point imo.
cormac ap dunn
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Originally Posted by Nerel
Hardly foolproof when you wake up the next morning to find you got permabanned for harassment, apparently the entirety of Lion's Arch district one didn't appreciate you chasing them around and humping their legs non stop over a period of nearly eight hours.
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Ninja Ninja
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To clarify: his join date is 2006 and he's made ~230 posts, and on top of that I'd never seen him on this forum before. So it stands to reason he hasn't been here in a long time; only came following the ban wave.
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I've barely even posted since this ban wave and if your really interested check my post history.
Quail Stomp
Is there a reason for threads like this to stay open? Someone gets butthurt over a ban and brings it on guru to get a flame war going. Nothing to discuss in the thread when we know the guy was in the wrong.
majoho
I agree there really only need to be one thread on this whole bot thing.
Chucklehouse
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You guys should have just tried my full-proof ban free method.
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And yes, I like everyone else don't feel bad for you for cheating. If you were bored go play something else and don't ruin it for everyone else.
belshazaarswrath
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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn
ok, not the ever popular Dying 5 year old game thing again, sarcasm or not this is getting boring. this is by far a thriving 5 year old game, botting , pro or con has little to do with the age of the game, bergan bots? citidel bots? shall we go on? bringing up age/population argument can't possibly be a valid point , as botting and this game are intertwined...please post an original (meaning not the canned response to why things are bad/good/ indifferent in game) idea about this topic please. we are all willing to listen, but to the same drivel? nty
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And it seems to me the point of this thread is about how the population of the game has recently dropped. Well it's already been low because it's old. It's all I'm sayin.
fireflyry
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Hardly foolproof when you wake up the next morning to find you got permabanned for harassment, apparently the entirety of Lion's Arch district one didn't appreciate you chasing them around and humping their legs non stop over a period of nearly eight hours.
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Touché good sir.
Arato
Only thing I wanna say about this entire topic is that.. I understand where OP is coming from as far as repeating the same achievements on multiple characters as not being fun anymore, and can understand the desire to bot. However it doesn't excuse botting, which ruins other people's fun.
I came back to Guild Wars after years of mostly inactivity, I'd completed each campaign and EotN on one single character, and Prophecies on a second character. Because I came back fresh and things were somewhat fairly novel again, I had fun, going through each campaign and EotN again.
However, when I got to the end, and wanted to do DoA and other end game content, and learned that I couldn't find groups for it as an elementalist (at least not as an elementalist using elementalist skills), so I had to pick up my low level ritualist, and do all the campaigns again, only a week after I'd completed them on the other character. I ended up completing Proph 4 times in all, Factions twice, and Nightfall and EotN 3 times within a relatively short period of time.
Now as I'm having to go through Proph missions on my Rit in order to reach tombs of primeval kings, and get infused to do the newer shining blade bounties. I'm not having fun doing the Proph campagin, it feels like going through the motions, been there, done that, very boring, unengaging because of the repetition, and and it makes a grind out of what was supposed to not be a grind.
The design concept of Guild Wars was always to make a game where you didn't have to do boring stuff in order to get to the fun stuff, you could just jump right into the fun stuff.
However for some players, who'd like to play certain classes after already doing a different class, it becomes exactly what Anet didn't want it to become.
Anet does seem to realize this however and that's why they're really working on GW2's events system, to make progressing each character a meaningfully different experience each time, so you never feel like you're just "going through the motions" to max a title, or get to somewhere.
I came back to Guild Wars after years of mostly inactivity, I'd completed each campaign and EotN on one single character, and Prophecies on a second character. Because I came back fresh and things were somewhat fairly novel again, I had fun, going through each campaign and EotN again.
However, when I got to the end, and wanted to do DoA and other end game content, and learned that I couldn't find groups for it as an elementalist (at least not as an elementalist using elementalist skills), so I had to pick up my low level ritualist, and do all the campaigns again, only a week after I'd completed them on the other character. I ended up completing Proph 4 times in all, Factions twice, and Nightfall and EotN 3 times within a relatively short period of time.
Now as I'm having to go through Proph missions on my Rit in order to reach tombs of primeval kings, and get infused to do the newer shining blade bounties. I'm not having fun doing the Proph campagin, it feels like going through the motions, been there, done that, very boring, unengaging because of the repetition, and and it makes a grind out of what was supposed to not be a grind.
The design concept of Guild Wars was always to make a game where you didn't have to do boring stuff in order to get to the fun stuff, you could just jump right into the fun stuff.
However for some players, who'd like to play certain classes after already doing a different class, it becomes exactly what Anet didn't want it to become.
Anet does seem to realize this however and that's why they're really working on GW2's events system, to make progressing each character a meaningfully different experience each time, so you never feel like you're just "going through the motions" to max a title, or get to somewhere.
midnightduo1
to clarify, they didnt ban 3700 PLAYERS/PEOPLE
they banned 3700 ACCOUNTS
majority of the banned players have more than 5 accounts, and quite a few had more than 10 and a small minority with just a bit over 100 accounts
we probably just banned like... 1000 people? around there? give or take
they banned 3700 ACCOUNTS
majority of the banned players have more than 5 accounts, and quite a few had more than 10 and a small minority with just a bit over 100 accounts
we probably just banned like... 1000 people? around there? give or take
Mithie
I could give less of a crap if you bot in PVE.
PVP bots need to be banned.
And they were.
SO I'm happy.
ALL HAIL ANET!
PVP bots need to be banned.
And they were.
SO I'm happy.
ALL HAIL ANET!
Davros Uitar
No worse a ghost town than any 5 year game. I am not seeing much loss of activity. My guild lost 1 out of 90 odd actives. I am happy with the outcome.
cormac ap dunn
I really do love all the pent up anger coming from the folks who got the perma-ban. the threats of Anet losing money because they are not in game make me giggle. you payed them already, they lost nothing(you however did lose what you paid for). the game lost nothing, you are 3700 accounts that weren't actually playing either. as a matter of fact thank you, because thats less server space being taken up for nothing. I understand that you all feel you should be allowed to play the game as you desire. great, so do those of us that did not break the very clear rules! come on, you cheated, you got caught, time to move to the next game that you have no desire to actually play. I hear there is a new hello kitty game with a wicked strawberry picking bot! go go go!
Quaker
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Today, over 3700 accounts were banned due to botting and use of third-party programs. Let's take a moment and really break down how and why nearly half of the populous of this dying online community spontaneously combusted.
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LightningLeaf
If you say that Anet doesn't care about the game anymore because of GW2, then you're a raving idiot. Anet gave players a chance to treasure their characters in the next game through the HoM. They still add content for those pple playing now. The fact that a lot of people left is because they've done everything, but new pple buy the game too. And if you've done everything and are bored, just move on, don't bot. All the people i see qq'ing over gw 'dying' are these pple who care only about titles and being the best. They don't care about the game, the detail, the story. Anet has its flaws, who doesn't? But the festivals, the war in kryta, the funny dialogues, the designs, you can see the love they puts in this game everywhere. If you can't, then again, raving idiot.
cormac ap dunn
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Originally Posted by LightningLeaf
If you say that Anet doesn't care about the game anymore because of GW2, then you're a raving idiot. Anet gave players a chance to treasure their characters in the next game through the HoM. They still add content for those pple playing now. The fact that a lot of people left is because they've done everything, but new pple buy the game too. And if you've done everything and are bored, just move on, don't bot. All the people i see qq'ing over gw 'dying' are these pple who care only about titles and being the best. They don't care about the game, the detail, the story. Anet has its flaws, who doesn't? But the festivals, the war in kryta, the funny dialogues, the designs, you can see the love they puts in this game everywhere. If you can't, then again, raving idiot.
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Bob Slydell
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Originally Posted by midnightduo1
to clarify, they didnt ban 3700 PLAYERS/PEOPLE
they banned 3700 ACCOUNTS majority of the banned players have more than 5 accounts, and quite a few had more than 10 and a small minority with just a bit over 100 accounts we probably just banned like... 1000 people? around there? give or take |
The Drunkard
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Originally Posted by Quail Stomp
Is there a reason for threads like this to stay open? Someone gets butthurt over a ban and brings it on guru to get a flame war going. Nothing to discuss in the thread when we know the guy was in the wrong.
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byteme!
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Originally Posted by Quail Stomp
Is there a reason for threads like this to stay open? Someone gets butthurt over a ban and brings it on guru to get a flame war going. Nothing to discuss in the thread when we know the guy was in the wrong.
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Zebideedee
I want to know why people have so many accounts. Someone had 82 from reading on here, why o why o why would you need that many? Was it XTH abuse you think?
Rocky Raccoon
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Is there a reason for threads like this to stay open? Someone gets butthurt over a ban and brings it on guru to get a flame war going. Nothing to discuss in the thread when we know the guy was in the wrong.
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(Datura)
For the last 3 years the NPD survey has had Guild Wars as the 3rd most played mmo.
#1 WoW
#2 Runescape
#3 Guild wars
2007, 2008, 2009.
Dungeons & Dragons Online just got #3 for 2010 and good for them.
3700 players = half of GW population? Lol, Fail.
You Bot? Fail.
You come here to get "Sympathy for the Cheaters" Fail.
p.s. the way the survey was done is: 20,000 gamers were asked what are you playing.
sry I don't have the link. Should be easy to find. I got this information from the Newest Virgin Worlds Episode.(a podcast)
#1 WoW
#2 Runescape
#3 Guild wars
2007, 2008, 2009.
Dungeons & Dragons Online just got #3 for 2010 and good for them.
3700 players = half of GW population? Lol, Fail.
You Bot? Fail.
You come here to get "Sympathy for the Cheaters" Fail.
p.s. the way the survey was done is: 20,000 gamers were asked what are you playing.
sry I don't have the link. Should be easy to find. I got this information from the Newest Virgin Worlds Episode.(a podcast)
Del
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For the last 3 years the NPD survey has had Guild Wars as the 3rd most played mmo.
#1 WoW #2 Runescape #3 Guild wars 2007, 2008, 2009. Dungeons & Dragons Online just got #3 for 2010 and good for them. 3700 players = half of GW population? Lol, Fail. You Bot? Fail. You come here to get "Sympathy for the Cheaters" Fail. p.s. the way the survey was done is: 20,000 gamers were asked what are you playing. sry I don't have the link. Should be easy to find. I got this information from the Newest Virgin Worlds Episode.(a podcast) |
Mexay
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the concept of magic ahs beena round since humans, orcs was Tolkien's Invention... paladins was an age old Christian thing, minotaurs... from memorya greek/roman myth?? Elves... well that just... i mean... the way they are in Wow was tolkien, the name was like... Medievil?
Again apologies if that was sarcasm... but if it wasn't your a fool.
majoho
It was obviously sarcasm