Dear people who think GW is dead,
If you got banned you can't verify what I am talking about because you can't play anymore. For those of you who still do, you know that I am right when I say, it's not even noticeable. You can't even tell that 3700 people are just gone. Not even a dent in the population that even resembles a blip on a radar screen. If this was an open-world game I am sure a lot of us would be astonished at how many people actually play this game.
Stop with the nonsense posts of, "dead game is dead" please. It is far from dead. Also, btw people talk on here about how rad they are. Why are any of you trying to get in groups for Vizunah etc.?
Guild Wars: A ghost town in the making.
jazilla
SunfallE
It's certainly not noticeable in PvE areas where I play. The number of people there hasn't dropped any since the banning. And two of my friends recently picked up the trilogy so we lost botters and gained some more real people. 
own age myname
It just seems dead because we're playing instanced. I do wish sometimes we'd Anet would just report how many people actively play, even though that probably isn't possible. That'd shut up the "this game is dead" crying.
Lord Sojar
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It's certainly not noticeable in PvE areas where I play. The number of people there hasn't dropped any since the banning. And two of my friends recently picked up the trilogy so we lost botters and gained some more real people.
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Indeed, I saw a massive influx of new players from the Steam sale of the GW Trilogy, not just in game, but on my Steam friends list! But let's ignore the facts and obvious surge in numbers in starting areas of each game, and claim, as is kosher in Riverside, that the game is dead/dying, because that makes us so cool compared to all those guys playing the "dead game."
Chris616263
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Dear Gurus,
Today, over 3700 accounts were banned due to botting and use of third-party programs. Let's take a moment and really break down how and why nearly half of the populous of this dying online community spontaneously combusted. Arena-Net has offered us so many lovely content additions in the recent history, such as costumes, NPCs to talk trade useless crap for other useless crap, ways to change our character from a down-syndrome having asian infant, and finally the War in Kryta quest chain. These additions have molded the community from a dying game, to a dying game that the players realize won't get better. I understand GW2 is on the rise, but that's been the case for 2 years without any love for the original, and will continue to be the case for months to come. With this being said, what do the players with 3-5 years under their belt have to do? Repeat missions, vanqs, dungeons? Needlessly grind out speed clears (which Anet failed at attempting to shut down)? Or maybe participating in nerdy e-peen battles on a nightly basis with the same morons every night in HA? THIS my friends, is precisely why people bot. It makes the game fun again. Personally, I've achieved GWAMM, r8, g3 on my own, no bot help. I moved to PvP because there was nothing else left to do in PvE. When PvP becomes redundant, you simply move on (botting). An evolutionary process mediated by A-net themselves. For those of you who didn't bot, you simply didn't know where to get it. Honestly, when something becomes meta (obviously botting was), this community of ours nestles into it wholeheartedly. So basically, my point is this: Anet killed this game by not updating it enough. Without enough content updates, or micro-transactions, or anything that normal, successful MMOs employ to keep their game active, this game died out. 15 minute zaishen wait times in HA, empty districts in PvE zones, etc... BEFORE the ban-o-mania. Just imagine what the future months will behold. I would just like to note with this post, that the people that botted, didn't necessarily bot because they wanted a maxed title, or money, or fame, or glad, etc.. etc... Personally... I just didn't know what else to do... Second GWAMM? ok.. bot account wide titles (treasure, luxon.) Bot eotn titles. Who cares? I've done them already... If a game wants to combat botting, don't let the players get bored of said game. Honestly, running rupty and watching people rage was more fun than playing the game for what it is. If Anet sticks to this concept of an MMO.... even if it is more like WoW (.... zzzzz), who is going to play it? You think I'm gonna buy GW2 after filling my HoM legitimately, getting gwamm, r8, g3 legit? After 5000+ hours of gameplay? I can't imagine so. Because truthfully, with the effort put into GW1 in the last few years, why would I expect anything more from GW2 once they design it? A re-skinned, re-written WoW isn't going to do anyone any good, especially when the Arena Net team won't be adding new content updates every couple of months like WoW does... As BAD as WoW is... it's better than GW... because the designers actually give a damn. =/ sad news for Guild Wars today. Generally... good luck GW community. - What's left of it, that is. |
WAAAHHH WAAHHHH YOU TOOK MY TERMS OF SERVICE-VIOLATING TOYS AWAY!
Get Dhuum'd, son. Oh wait... you already did.
MArcSinus
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I moved to PvP because there was nothing else left to do in PvE. When PvP becomes redundant, you simply move on (botting). An evolutionary process mediated by A-net themselves. I would just like to note with this post, that the people that botted, didn't necessarily bot because they wanted a maxed title, or money, or fame, or glad, etc.. etc... Personally... I just didn't know what else to do... Second GWAMM? ok.. bot account wide titles (treasure, luxon.) Bot eotn titles. Who cares? I've done them already... If a game wants to combat botting, don't let the players get bored of said game. Honestly, running rupty and watching people rage was more fun than playing the game for what it is. If Anet sticks to this concept of an MMO.... even if it is more like WoW (.... zzzzz), who is going to play it? You think I'm gonna buy GW2 after filling my HoM legitimately, getting gwamm, r8, g3 legit? After 5000+ hours of gameplay? I can't imagine so. Because truthfully, with the effort put into GW1 in the last few years, why would I expect anything more from GW2 once they design it? A re-skinned, re-written WoW isn't going to do anyone any good, especially when the Arena Net team won't be adding new content updates every couple of months like WoW does... As BAD as WoW is... it's better than GW... because the designers actually give a damn. =/ sad news for Guild Wars today. Generally... good luck GW community. - What's left of it, that is. |
Or you could have just played another game you actually enjoyed and still have had all those things you invested all those thousands of hours in and gotten legit apparently.
Lord Sojar
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Dear Gurus,
Today, over 3700 accounts were banned due to botting and use of third-party programs. Let's take a moment and really break down how and why nearly half of the populous of this dying online community spontaneously combusted. Arena-Net has offered us so many lovely content additions in the recent history, such as costumes, NPCs to talk trade useless crap for other useless crap, ways to change our character from a down-syndrome having asian infant, and finally the War in Kryta quest chain. These additions have molded the community from a dying game, to a dying game that the players realize won't get better. I understand GW2 is on the rise, but that's been the case for 2 years without any love for the original, and will continue to be the case for months to come. With this being said, what do the players with 3-5 years under their belt have to do? Repeat missions, vanqs, dungeons? Needlessly grind out speed clears (which Anet failed at attempting to shut down)? Or maybe participating in nerdy e-peen battles on a nightly basis with the same morons every night in HA? THIS my friends, is precisely why people bot. It makes the game fun again. Personally, I've achieved GWAMM, r8, g3 on my own, no bot help. I moved to PvP because there was nothing else left to do in PvE. When PvP becomes redundant, you simply move on (botting). An evolutionary process mediated by A-net themselves. For those of you who didn't bot, you simply didn't know where to get it. Honestly, when something becomes meta (obviously botting was), this community of ours nestles into it wholeheartedly. So basically, my point is this: Anet killed this game by not updating it enough. Without enough content updates, or micro-transactions, or anything that normal, successful MMOs employ to keep their game active, this game died out. 15 minute zaishen wait times in HA, empty districts in PvE zones, etc... BEFORE the ban-o-mania. Just imagine what the future months will behold. I would just like to note with this post, that the people that botted, didn't necessarily bot because they wanted a maxed title, or money, or fame, or glad, etc.. etc... Personally... I just didn't know what else to do... Second GWAMM? ok.. bot account wide titles (treasure, luxon.) Bot eotn titles. Who cares? I've done them already... If a game wants to combat botting, don't let the players get bored of said game. Honestly, running rupty and watching people rage was more fun than playing the game for what it is. If Anet sticks to this concept of an MMO.... even if it is more like WoW (.... zzzzz), who is going to play it? You think I'm gonna buy GW2 after filling my HoM legitimately, getting gwamm, r8, g3 legit? After 5000+ hours of gameplay? I can't imagine so. Because truthfully, with the effort put into GW1 in the last few years, why would I expect anything more from GW2 once they design it? A re-skinned, re-written WoW isn't going to do anyone any good, especially when the Arena Net team won't be adding new content updates every couple of months like WoW does... As BAD as WoW is... it's better than GW... because the designers actually give a damn. =/ sad news for Guild Wars today. Generally... good luck GW community. - What's left of it, that is. |
I've been playing Guild Wars longer than you have, and I had ZERO inclination to bot, because I don't like to cheat, and betray the rest of the community. You speak for a very small minority that is corrupt, and has no respect for others.
You are attempting to blame ANET for the bots? That's madness....incarnate.
"OMG, this city is so boring, I blame the city council, I think I'll go steal from the local stores to entertain myself, as it's the governments fault my city leaves me no other option."
Uh... righto! Do you really believe 3,700 accounts was half the population of the game? That's really sad... It's not even 1% of it....
And don't talk about WoW like you know what WoW is about, when you CLEARLY don't. WoW is really no different than Guild Wars when it comes to updates, unless you include unique raid instance boss fights (but most of those are boring rehashes of older fights with a new more powerful boss) If you haven't played WoW extensively, please don't comment.
Oh, and I have: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...Dream&cn=Rahja
So... yeh. Endgame bro! Bai2u!
Sirius Bsns
Mort, it's people like you that ruin games in general. Why stick around and annoy PvPers with rupt-botting? Why afk-grind your way to high-end titles? Why not move on and leave everybody alone?
Because you're the epitome of shamelessness, and you want to be above everybody else in every way possible while thrilling yourself with the thought of never getting caught. Well guess what, Morty? You've met your Dhuum!
Because you're the epitome of shamelessness, and you want to be above everybody else in every way possible while thrilling yourself with the thought of never getting caught. Well guess what, Morty? You've met your Dhuum!
thetechx
This is like saying people should be allowed to mod in multiplayer on Xbox Live. The multiplayer in games can get boring and modding makes them fun again.
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This is like saying people should be allowed to mod in multiplayer on Xbox Live. The multiplayer in games can get boring and modding makes them fun again.
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Uh no. In that situation you are actually changing the game and blowing the shit out of some unsuspecting dude in the process (which is a dick thing to do). Here your just getting some program to do some shit you're too lazy to do which really doesn't hurt anyone but you because you're wasting your goddamn electricity on bullshit(unless you're using pvp bots in which case your just annoying everyone).
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Did you read the opening post? They are answering to it.
I'll quote you one of the pearls in that post:
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Honestly, running rupty and watching people rage was more fun than playing the game for what it is.
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It actually got to a point that running rupty and watching little kids RAGE their little lives away was more fun that actually playing GW....
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fireflyry
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Here your just getting some program to do some shit you're too lazy to do which really doesn't hurt anyone but you because you're wasting your goddamn electricity on bullshit(unless you're using pvp bots in which case your just annoying everyone).
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What I personally noticed, in terms of PvE, was the change in attitude from apparently "experienced" players.I've never been interested in the majority of titles but when they first surfaced I actually found them hugely helpful when having to PuG.The majority of the high title level players were mature, respectful, helpful and just great people to PuG with if your alliance was quiet.In PvP they tended to be a sign of similar skill levels so it was easy to find a good team.
In short, although titles didn't interest me personally, I respected the effort, commitment and skill level many titles represented.
After the bot spree the change seemed instantaneous and with titles becoming far more attainable I began to encounter a large number of GWAMM's who were not only rude and abusive for little to no reason but more importantly many couldn't play for red engine.
Titles suddenly became a huge joke.
Me:"Hey GWAMM....what do you think about me putting WoH on my monk and should I bring hex removal in this area?"
GWAMM:"What's WoH?lolz!!You have Healing Breeze right?"
I'm in no way saying botting is purely, or even partially, to blame as these are my subjective observations and there are a multitude of other influences but I have noticed since the ban that friendly GWAMM's seem to be far easier to find and I don't have to speak mandarin in order to say howdy.
At the end of the day when the highest attainable in-game status, all be it aesthetic or not, becomes a laughing stock in the community there's something seriously wrong and it hurts the game as a whole.
/caffeine induced tangent rant 2 cent end
belshazaarswrath
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There's a bit more to it than that when considering economy, ability to PuG in certain areas, cheapening rewards, getting in game finances for no effort etc, etc.
What I personally noticed, in terms of PvE, was the change in attitude from apparently "experienced" players.I've never been interested in the majority of titles but when they first surfaced I actually found them hugely helpful when having to PuG.The majority of the high title level players were mature, respectful, helpful and just great people to PuG with if your alliance was quiet.In PvP they tended to be a sign of similar skill levels so it was easy to find a good team. In short, although titles didn't interest me personally, I respected the effort, commitment and skill level many titles represented. After the bot spree the change seemed instantaneous and with titles becoming far more attainable I began to encounter a large number of GWAMM's who were not only rude and abusive for little to no reason but more importantly many couldn't play for red engine. Titles suddenly became a huge joke. Me:"Hey GWAMM....what do you think about me putting WoH on my monk and should I bring hex removal in this area?" GWAMM:"What's WoH?lolz!!You have Healing Breeze right?" I'm in no way saying botting is purely, or even partially, to blame as these are my subjective observations and there are a multitude of other influences but I have noticed since the ban that friendly GWAMM's seem to be far easier to find and I don't have to speak mandarin in order to say howdy. At the end of the day when the highest attainable in-game status, all be it aesthetic or not, becomes a laughing stock in the community there's something seriously wrong and it hurts the game as a whole. /caffeine induced tangent rant 2 cent end |
And I've never viewed in game statuses as anything of value to begin with so people using bots to get them doesn't really phase me.
To be honest I just don't see this mass ban as an accomplishment or a failure of any kind. It's just the arbitrary enforcement of teh rulez. I don't understand the hatred of the botters, the boners that people are getting from them getting banned and on the flip side the shock and anger from the banned. It's all kind of meh. But I guess everyone else takes this game more seriously than I do.
Gill Halendt
Rahja might sound a bit harsh, but his points are hardly debatable...
Martin Alvito
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It's just the arbitrary enforcement of teh rulez.
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ANet wants you to be intimidated by the possibility of losing your account if you use a program that injects or automates. This ban is simple deterrence. They are making the threat of future bans credible by paying the costs associated with banning 3700 accounts now. They also want it clear that no one is safe from their wrath.
There are several reasons that the RMT-ers are a lower priority:
1) They have greater resources than regular players. Simply banning them repeatedly is futile. At best it inconveniences them. At worst it encourages further account theft.
2) They don't exploit as aggressively as the players that ate bans, making them harder to detect.
3) They are out there in quantity, and ANet only has so many employees and can only sanction so fast.
You have to figure that finding a way to deal with the RMT scum is high up there on ANet's hit list. But blowing away the worst of the cheating players was clearly a lower cost action with greater expected impact on the quality of both PvP and the economy as a whole. Large, direct payments via cheating to already wealthy players are, in the short run, far more destructive than the generation and sale of currency for RMT.
If you don't believe that botting has affected the economy, you haven't been paying attention to pricing in the last year.
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2) They don't exploit as aggressively as the players that ate bans, making them harder to detect.
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There's no "RMT detector", I'm afraid, so each reported case is to be checked, double-checked and triple-checked with sugar on top without any certainty of hitting an actual money trader.
vamp08
's funny...Ive never seen a GWAMM talk like that.
Then agian I never talk to GWAMM's...'cause that title doesn't mean s*** to me, only tells me that one has an over-abundance of un-productive free time on their hands.
(let's see if I can get this post to last more than an hour)
Then agian I never talk to GWAMM's...'cause that title doesn't mean s*** to me, only tells me that one has an over-abundance of un-productive free time on their hands.
(let's see if I can get this post to last more than an hour)
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Artisan Archer
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I moved to PvP because there was nothing else left to do in PvE. When PvP becomes redundant, you simply move on (botting).
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Phaern Majes
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There are several reasons that the RMT-ers are a lower priority:
1) They have greater resources than regular players. Simply banning them repeatedly is futile. At best it inconveniences them. At worst it encourages further account theft. 2) They don't exploit as aggressively as the players that ate bans, making them harder to detect. 3) They are out there in quantity, and ANet only has so many employees and can only sanction so fast. |
Yuki Juggernaut
It became "dead" quite a while back when A-Net stopped all the real updates funneling to GW so they could focus on GW2.
The Riven
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Dear Gurus,
Today, over 3700 accounts were banned due to botting and use of third-party programs. Let's take a moment and really break down how and why nearly half of the populous of this dying online community spontaneously combusted. Arena-Net has offered us so many lovely content additions in the recent history, such as costumes, NPCs to talk trade useless crap for other useless crap, ways to change our character from a down-syndrome having asian infant, and finally the War in Kryta quest chain. These additions have molded the community from a dying game, to a dying game that the players realize won't get better. I understand GW2 is on the rise, but that's been the case for 2 years without any love for the original, and will continue to be the case for months to come. With this being said, what do the players with 3-5 years under their belt have to do? Repeat missions, vanqs, dungeons? Needlessly grind out speed clears (which Anet failed at attempting to shut down)? Or maybe participating in nerdy e-peen battles on a nightly basis with the same morons every night in HA? THIS my friends, is precisely why people bot. It makes the game fun again. Personally, I've achieved GWAMM, r8, g3 on my own, no bot help. I moved to PvP because there was nothing else left to do in PvE. When PvP becomes redundant, you simply move on (botting). An evolutionary process mediated by A-net themselves. For those of you who didn't bot, you simply didn't know where to get it. Honestly, when something becomes meta (obviously botting was), this community of ours nestles into it wholeheartedly. So basically, my point is this: Anet killed this game by not updating it enough. Without enough content updates, or micro-transactions, or anything that normal, successful MMOs employ to keep their game active, this game died out. 15 minute zaishen wait times in HA, empty districts in PvE zones, etc... BEFORE the ban-o-mania. Just imagine what the future months will behold. I would just like to note with this post, that the people that botted, didn't necessarily bot because they wanted a maxed title, or money, or fame, or glad, etc.. etc... Personally... I just didn't know what else to do... Second GWAMM? ok.. bot account wide titles (treasure, luxon.) Bot eotn titles. Who cares? I've done them already... If a game wants to combat botting, don't let the players get bored of said game. Honestly, running rupty and watching people rage was more fun than playing the game for what it is. If Anet sticks to this concept of an MMO.... even if it is more like WoW (.... zzzzz), who is going to play it? You think I'm gonna buy GW2 after filling my HoM legitimately, getting gwamm, r8, g3 legit? After 5000+ hours of gameplay? I can't imagine so. Because truthfully, with the effort put into GW1 in the last few years, why would I expect anything more from GW2 once they design it? A re-skinned, re-written WoW isn't going to do anyone any good, especially when the Arena Net team won't be adding new content updates every couple of months like WoW does... As BAD as WoW is... it's better than GW... because the designers actually give a damn. =/ sad news for Guild Wars today. Generally... good luck GW community. - What's left of it, that is. |
Nobody cares, you failed. bad luck, game over.
Reezen
Sounds like the usual: "OMG you banned me for exploiting - now without me this game is going on it's way to destruction!"
Honestly - it's like an almost cliche post - I don't think there is any famous game out there without similar ones.
Honestly - it's like an almost cliche post - I don't think there is any famous game out there without similar ones.
The Drunkard
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Dear Gurus,
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For those of you who didn't bot, you simply didn't know where to get it. Honestly, when something becomes meta (obviously botting was), this community of ours nestles into it wholeheartedly.
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So basically, my point is this: Anet killed this game by not updating it enough. Without enough content updates, or micro-transactions, or anything that normal, successful MMOs employ to keep their game active, this game died out. 15 minute zaishen wait times in HA, empty districts in PvE zones, etc... BEFORE the ban-o-mania. Just imagine what the future months will behold.
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Personally... I just didn't know what else to do... Second GWAMM? ok.. bot account wide titles (treasure, luxon.) Bot eotn titles. Who cares? I've done them already... If a game wants to combat botting, don't let the players get bored of said game.
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Honestly, running rupty and watching people rage was more fun than playing the game for what it is.
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Generally... good luck GW community. - What's left of it, that is.
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SerenitySilverstar
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Sounds like the usual: "OMG you banned me for exploiting - now without me this game is going on it's way to destruction!"
Honestly - it's like an almost cliche post - I don't think there is any famous game out there without similar ones. |
Still, most people are pointing and laughing.
It's behaviour like this that makes me wish humans were born full formed with genetic memory.
Lord Sojar
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I'm not sure why people are even giving him 16 pages worth of attention. The best thing to do would be to stay silent and let him spin his little wheels in aggravation.
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I've noticed no drastic changes in the economy and the player base of Guild Wars has always been hit or miss for me. There are assholes and retards and there aren't. It's still the same as it's always been.
And I've never viewed in game statuses as anything of value to begin with so people using bots to get them doesn't really phase me. To be honest I just don't see this mass ban as an accomplishment or a failure of any kind. It's just the arbitrary enforcement of teh rulez. I don't understand the hatred of the botters, the boners that people are getting from them getting banned and on the flip side the shock and anger from the banned. It's all kind of meh. But I guess everyone else takes this game more seriously than I do. |
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If you didn't notice a change to the economy you may not have traded much.I'm not a huge trader but I know a few players that trade a lot and there were huge drops on certain items.
A power trader issue maybe but an issue none the less.
I personally think you can't mess with certain core game mechanics, especially achievements or attainable goals, regardless of whether or not they are undesirable to many individuals.Why else are games played if not to attain the next level, the next item, the next quest, etc, etc.
That's often the motivation for the majority of players and the way these goals are implemented and controlled can make or break a game.
Titles are no different.Even if they can be easily ignored they are still the only form of player segregation between new and "experienced" players and are one of the few goals to aim for at end-game.If they have no inherent value to the community due to exploits or cheating it's clearly a problem that needs to be addressed.
When the attainment of these achievements becomes a joke so does the game.
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When the attainment of these achievements becomes a joke so does the game.
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windtalker
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The fact that it could get to point where its gotten makes the game seem like a joke to me...not that rpg's are srs bzns. Anyway I guess I can kind of understand what you're saying. But I still don't get the utter glee everyone seems to be getting out of this whole thing...
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I have max drunk and I could care less whether someone had macro'ed or not, it's a personal achievement and I'm looking forward to potential benefits or mini's or titles or what have you in gw2. I don't care if someone did it more easily than me. same with kurz etc
KZaske
I really like what the game has become since the bans. It's playable again, today is the first time I say anything close to a bot. The lack of bots has reduced lag and almost no spamming in most zones. People are actually playing the game. I even saw a group forming.
So, for those of you that caught botting - thank you for being idiots and choosing to leave the game. Guild Wars is in no danger of becoming a ghost town, but then how would a botter and cheater know? They would not because they can't get into the game anymore. So long, good riddance and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
So, for those of you that caught botting - thank you for being idiots and choosing to leave the game. Guild Wars is in no danger of becoming a ghost town, but then how would a botter and cheater know? They would not because they can't get into the game anymore. So long, good riddance and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
belshazaarswrath
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The titles did not become jokes because of bots. The titles became less "elite" simply because more people got them. Also, spending 10,000 minutes of your time in 1 year is impressive, in a disgusting way I guess. When the title has been out for 4 years, it's a lot less impressive. While botting might have contributed to the less meaning of titles, the increased time available for players to complete them and the increasing number of players attaining the titles were the main reason for them being "jokes."
I have max drunk and I could care less whether someone had macro'ed or not, it's a personal achievement and I'm looking forward to potential benefits or mini's or titles or what have you in gw2. I don't care if someone did it more easily than me. same with kurz etc |
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The fact that it could get to point where its gotten makes the game seem like a joke to me...not that rpg's are srs bzns. Anyway I guess I can kind of understand what you're saying. But I still don't get the utter glee everyone seems to be getting out of this whole thing...
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As a casual player I get where your coming from as I am much the same.In saying I have a huge curiosity in MMORPG in general and enjoy debating such topics as they are an increasing big issue for millions of people.I am also in an alliance with many "hardcore" players.
The glee is simplistic and could be referenced to my earlier points.
1.One person plays for hundreds of hours to attain an in-game goal.
2.Scripts and bots enter the scene equating to the same goal basically equating to load game and afk.
3.Thats banned.
4.Point 1 players justifiably rejoice.Their commitment and time sink is relevant.
Don't forget that in GW titles often equate to huge amounts of time sink.
Cheapening that=fail.
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Originally Posted by fireflyry
Fair call.
As a casual player I get where your coming from as I am much the same.In saying I have a huge curiosity in MMORPG in general and enjoy debating such topics as they are an increasing big issue for millions of people.I am also in an alliance with many "hardcore" players. The glee is simplistic and could be referenced to my earlier points. 1.One person plays for hundreds of hours to attain an in-game goal. 2.Scripts and bots enter the scene equating to the same goal basically equating to load game and afk. 3.Thats banned. 4.Point 1 players justifiably rejoice.Their commitment and time sink is relevant. Don't forget that in GW titles often equate to huge amounts of time sink. Cheapening that=fail. |
Anyway I can understand people being happy "justice" is served. But at the same time a lot of people seem reveling in it like a pig in shit. Which I find a little unnerving.
fireflyry
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Originally Posted by belshazaarswrath
I guess if you invest a lot in how much your accomplishments compare to other peoples that makes sense.
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Originally Posted by belshazaarswrath
In my opinion a personal accomplishment can't be cheapened unless you let it.
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There has to be a title, achievement, "Uber Sword of Flaming Doom" or whatever for such players.If you place a stipulated commitment to achieve such rewards, then allow exploits, then kick the cheaters out, the mass who earned the benefits in an honest and committed way will rejoice.
It also has relevance in how much it costs to "deck" out your char.Then again I'm a bargain hunter.
lol
belshazaarswrath
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Originally Posted by fireflyry
That's where your inability to comprehend this issue lies.Don't get me wrong, I play the same way you do but you have to have a hierarchy in MMORPG.It's a core mechanic of game play, success and longevity. There has to be a title, achievement, "Uber Sword of Flaming Doom" or whatever for such players.If you place a stipulated commitment to achieve such rewards, then allow exploits, then kick the cheaters out, the mass who earned the benefits in an honest and committed way will rejoice. It also has relevance in how much it costs to "deck" out your char.Then again I'm a bargain hunter. |
Maybe I've just been playing for too long and I'm out of touch.
Also deck by my definition is havin a few 15k armors and a few 100k weapons/off-hands on the character.
Ninja Ninja
How can a bot appreciate something he never earned.
vamp08
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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja
How can a bot appreciate something he never earned.
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Protip: that BDS you earned isn't real, its composed of zero's, one's and verticies.
Your statement: "How can a bot appreciate something he/she never earned"
Answer: he/she cant, because it isn't real.
To appreciate something you have to work for it; sitting in your chair for 3+ hours isn't working. (save the the "I work in an office, I sit in a chair and I'm working" comments, they need not apply)
I'm sorry, but "appreciate" in this ORPG boils down to who has the cooler looking staff/sheild/sword/daggers/hammer/axe/focus/wand/bow/spear/scythe. It doesnt come down to appreciation and fairness, it comes to "that guy has a cooler-looking weapon than me, no fair!"
I can guarantee the moment you would "work" for a BDS or tomentented weapon or whatever, and finally get it, the first thing you would do is Ctrl + click and wait for the "im jealous" comments so you can feel better that you spent the better part of your day aquiring nothing statistically better.
00039
Fact is GW will become a ghost town not because of the banned botters but because of anet's own stupidity
JoeKnowMo
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Originally Posted by vamp08
I can guarantee the moment you would "work" for a BDS or tomentented weapon or whatever, and finally get it, the first thing you would do is Ctrl + click and wait for the "im jealous" comments so you can feel better that you spent the better part of your day aquiring nothing statistically better.
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Again, like so many posts in here, this is all off-topic, and is a thinly-veiled attempt to un-ban botters.
majoho
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Originally Posted by 00039
Fact is GW will become a ghost town not because of the banned botters but because of anet's own stupidity
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