Guild Wars: A ghost town in the making.
Krill
5 districts in HA today, I bet lower end GvG picks up too because both formats were being completely shit on by overnight all-stars.
Amaurosis
It's entertaining that some have gone as far as to claim this game's economy as being solely dependant on botting and that botting was "the only thing keeping this game alive". Their desperate attempts to hide their frustration and tears behind nothing but mockeries of this game is laughable.
Valcion
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It's entertaining that some have gone as far as to claim this game's economy as being solely dependant on botting and that botting was "the only thing keeping this game alive". Their desperate attempts to hide their frustration and tears behind nothing but mockeries of this game is laughable.
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D2 on the other hand, I'd agree botting is a necessary evil considering the abysmally low drop rate on high runes. Well, not so much botting as mh'ing, but either way it was against the rules.
LoKi Foxfire
To OP:
Don't let the door hit you on the way out
Don't let the door hit you on the way out
talon994
I agree with OP. Neglecting the problems of the game and introducing costumes as a substitute and a diversion. Among costumes, other stupid shit. To everyone who did bot and ended up making money, Im happy for you. Really, to make a couple thousand off of pixels and have carebears rage at you. Priceless.
kupp
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Dear Gurus,
Today, over 3700 accounts were banned due to botting and use of third-party programs. Let's take a moment and really break down how and why nearly half of the populous of this dying online community spontaneously combusted. Arena-Net has offered us so many lovely content additions in the recent history, such as costumes, NPCs to talk trade useless crap for other useless crap, ways to change our character from a down-syndrome having asian infant, and finally the War in Kryta quest chain. These additions have molded the community from a dying game, to a dying game that the players realize won't get better. I understand GW2 is on the rise, but that's been the case for 2 years without any love for the original, and will continue to be the case for months to come. With this being said, what do the players with 3-5 years under their belt have to do? Repeat missions, vanqs, dungeons? Needlessly grind out speed clears (which Anet failed at attempting to shut down)? Or maybe participating in nerdy e-peen battles on a nightly basis with the same morons every night in HA? THIS my friends, is precisely why people bot. It makes the game fun again. Personally, I've achieved GWAMM, r8, g3 on my own, no bot help. I moved to PvP because there was nothing else left to do in PvE. When PvP becomes redundant, you simply move on (botting). An evolutionary process mediated by A-net themselves. For those of you who didn't bot, you simply didn't know where to get it. Honestly, when something becomes meta (obviously botting was), this community of ours nestles into it wholeheartedly. So basically, my point is this: Anet killed this game by not updating it enough. Without enough content updates, or micro-transactions, or anything that normal, successful MMOs employ to keep their game active, this game died out. 15 minute zaishen wait times in HA, empty districts in PvE zones, etc... BEFORE the ban-o-mania. Just imagine what the future months will behold. I would just like to note with this post, that the people that botted, didn't necessarily bot because they wanted a maxed title, or money, or fame, or glad, etc.. etc... Personally... I just didn't know what else to do... Second GWAMM? ok.. bot account wide titles (treasure, luxon.) Bot eotn titles. Who cares? I've done them already... If a game wants to combat botting, don't let the players get bored of said game. Honestly, running rupty and watching people rage was more fun than playing the game for what it is. If Anet sticks to this concept of an MMO.... even if it is more like WoW (.... zzzzz), who is going to play it? You think I'm gonna buy GW2 after filling my HoM legitimately, getting gwamm, r8, g3 legit? After 5000+ hours of gameplay? I can't imagine so. Because truthfully, with the effort put into GW1 in the last few years, why would I expect anything more from GW2 once they design it? A re-skinned, re-written WoW isn't going to do anyone any good, especially when the Arena Net team won't be adding new content updates every couple of months like WoW does... As BAD as WoW is... it's better than GW... because the designers actually give a damn. =/ sad news for Guild Wars today. Generally... good luck GW community. - What's left of it, that is. |
I get the boredom and everything else, GW isn't a p2p game and that reflects on the lack of a constant stream of content. But when you finish a game, you think botting is in any way the answer to that? Botting that to a lot of people consists in leaving the game running while they're off to do something else (evolution of a game is playing it, by not actually playing? what?).
Here's the bottom line plenty of people already stamped it on your forehead - if you're bored with a game, move on or find other ways to amuse yourself in it. Botting isn't one of them. It's unfair towards everyone else that has joy in it in so many ways, and in the end isn't really a valid way to give this game a breath of fresh air.
You got banned? Tough luck, go cry somewhere else because you'll find no simpathy here. Hacking in a game isn't valid any way you look at it.
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You think I'm gonna buy GW2 after filling my HoM legitimately, getting gwamm, r8, g3 legit? After 5000+ hours of gameplay? I can't imagine so. Because truthfully, with the effort put into GW1 in the last few years, why would I expect anything more from GW2 once they design it? A re-skinned, re-written WoW isn't going to do anyone any good, especially when the Arena Net team won't be adding new content updates every couple of months like WoW does... As BAD as WoW is... it's better than GW... because the designers actually give a damn. =/ sad news for Guild Wars today. Generally... good luck GW community. - What's left of it, that is. |
5000+ hours of gameplay now wasted and that's entirely on you to blame, no way around it. No viable justification to that. Whatever you think of GW2 wich you already showed you have no damn idea of what you're talking about, is entirely on you and if you're butthurt now because you saw your account terminated, too bad. That's your problem. I say this is a good day for GW, a more fair ground in PvP and PvE everywhere has no downsides. If seeing 3700 people of this community go is the price, I wouldn't really mind. And since those 3700 are only botters, good ridance. Don't come back.
Venla
I was never tempted to bot for the same reason I was never tempted to send a robot to watch a movie for me at the theatre.
Venla
I don't farm
You don't have to either, you know.
You don't have to either, you know.
fireflyry
Gli
ManlyMan
I'm more surprised that the OP thinks there's people who sympathize with botters who got caught and banned.
Anyways, bye bye cya! Don't come back ! I hear diablo 3 is coming out soon !
Anyways, bye bye cya! Don't come back ! I hear diablo 3 is coming out soon !
fortior
kamadan is still spamadan so I say no
kanuks
Translation of that pathetic wall of text :
"I got banned. I have no life outside guild wars. I fail at life."
"I got banned. I have no life outside guild wars. I fail at life."
Ghost Dog
These scare tactics are sure to work on the guys that can see how many people are in their servers at any given time.
lol
lol
Sirius Bsns
A picture says a 1,000 words... or in this case 3,700+! LOLOL
Rocky Raccoon
nightcreeper
Dude got just 1 question: "did you were at a private spot when dhuum showed off and reaped you for good?"
Martin Alvito
cormac ap dunn
Farming is an optional thing, botting was never an installed option, so you= greedy=foolish and lazy for using said bots. GG, way to show your insight with this statement."Lazy player wtb way to make cash without any actual gameplay, PM me" didn't know that the roots of guildwars was going away so a program could play for you because in game shiny shinies are what makes a game worth doing..., guess i've been doing it wrong for 5 years
Mireles
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Dear Gurus,
Today, over 3700 accounts were banned due to botting and use of third-party programs. Let's take a moment and really break down how and why nearly half of the populous of this dying online community spontaneously combusted. Arena-Net has offered us so many lovely content additions in the recent history, such as costumes, NPCs to talk trade useless crap for other useless crap, ways to change our character from a down-syndrome having asian infant, and finally the War in Kryta quest chain. These additions have molded the community from a dying game, to a dying game that the players realize won't get better. I understand GW2 is on the rise, but that's been the case for 2 years without any love for the original, and will continue to be the case for months to come. With this being said, what do the players with 3-5 years under their belt have to do? Repeat missions, vanqs, dungeons? Needlessly grind out speed clears (which Anet failed at attempting to shut down)? Or maybe participating in nerdy e-peen battles on a nightly basis with the same morons every night in HA? THIS my friends, is precisely why people bot. It makes the game fun again. Personally, I've achieved GWAMM, r8, g3 on my own, no bot help. I moved to PvP because there was nothing else left to do in PvE. When PvP becomes redundant, you simply move on (botting). An evolutionary process mediated by A-net themselves. For those of you who didn't bot, you simply didn't know where to get it. Honestly, when something becomes meta (obviously botting was), this community of ours nestles into it wholeheartedly. So basically, my point is this: Anet killed this game by not updating it enough. Without enough content updates, or micro-transactions, or anything that normal, successful MMOs employ to keep their game active, this game died out. 15 minute zaishen wait times in HA, empty districts in PvE zones, etc... BEFORE the ban-o-mania. Just imagine what the future months will behold. I would just like to note with this post, that the people that botted, didn't necessarily bot because they wanted a maxed title, or money, or fame, or glad, etc.. etc... Personally... I just didn't know what else to do... Second GWAMM? ok.. bot account wide titles (treasure, luxon.) Bot eotn titles. Who cares? I've done them already... If a game wants to combat botting, don't let the players get bored of said game. Honestly, running rupty and watching people rage was more fun than playing the game for what it is. If Anet sticks to this concept of an MMO.... even if it is more like WoW (.... zzzzz), who is going to play it? You think I'm gonna buy GW2 after filling my HoM legitimately, getting gwamm, r8, g3 legit? After 5000+ hours of gameplay? I can't imagine so. Because truthfully, with the effort put into GW1 in the last few years, why would I expect anything more from GW2 once they design it? A re-skinned, re-written WoW isn't going to do anyone any good, especially when the Arena Net team won't be adding new content updates every couple of months like WoW does... As BAD as WoW is... it's better than GW... because the designers actually give a damn. =/ sad news for Guild Wars today. Generally... good luck GW community. - What's left of it, that is. |
Balcu
Nothing of value was lost. Good riddance to worthless cheats. Hopefully you'll realize you reap what you sow.
GG, Anet
GG, Anet
cebalrai
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Dear Gurus,
Today, over 3700 accounts were banned due to botting and use of third-party programs. Let's take a moment and really break down how and why nearly half of the populous of this dying online community spontaneously combusted. Arena-Net has offered us so many lovely content additions in the recent history, such as costumes, NPCs to talk trade useless crap for other useless crap, ways to change our character from a down-syndrome having asian infant, and finally the War in Kryta quest chain. These additions have molded the community from a dying game, to a dying game that the players realize won't get better. I understand GW2 is on the rise, but that's been the case for 2 years without any love for the original, and will continue to be the case for months to come. With this being said, what do the players with 3-5 years under their belt have to do? Repeat missions, vanqs, dungeons? Needlessly grind out speed clears (which Anet failed at attempting to shut down)? Or maybe participating in nerdy e-peen battles on a nightly basis with the same morons every night in HA? THIS my friends, is precisely why people bot. It makes the game fun again. Personally, I've achieved GWAMM, r8, g3 on my own, no bot help. I moved to PvP because there was nothing else left to do in PvE. When PvP becomes redundant, you simply move on (botting). An evolutionary process mediated by A-net themselves. For those of you who didn't bot, you simply didn't know where to get it. Honestly, when something becomes meta (obviously botting was), this community of ours nestles into it wholeheartedly. So basically, my point is this: Anet killed this game by not updating it enough. Without enough content updates, or micro-transactions, or anything that normal, successful MMOs employ to keep their game active, this game died out. 15 minute zaishen wait times in HA, empty districts in PvE zones, etc... BEFORE the ban-o-mania. Just imagine what the future months will behold. I would just like to note with this post, that the people that botted, didn't necessarily bot because they wanted a maxed title, or money, or fame, or glad, etc.. etc... Personally... I just didn't know what else to do... Second GWAMM? ok.. bot account wide titles (treasure, luxon.) Bot eotn titles. Who cares? I've done them already... If a game wants to combat botting, don't let the players get bored of said game. Honestly, running rupty and watching people rage was more fun than playing the game for what it is. If Anet sticks to this concept of an MMO.... even if it is more like WoW (.... zzzzz), who is going to play it? You think I'm gonna buy GW2 after filling my HoM legitimately, getting gwamm, r8, g3 legit? After 5000+ hours of gameplay? I can't imagine so. Because truthfully, with the effort put into GW1 in the last few years, why would I expect anything more from GW2 once they design it? A re-skinned, re-written WoW isn't going to do anyone any good, especially when the Arena Net team won't be adding new content updates every couple of months like WoW does... As BAD as WoW is... it's better than GW... because the designers actually give a damn. =/ sad news for Guild Wars today. Generally... good luck GW community. - What's left of it, that is. |
So basically it's Anet's fault that you botted. The fact that you willfully broke the rules for weeks/months/years doesn't mean you should be held responsible for anything, eh?
I for one am glad that the community is now without the botters. A smaller community that plays for real is much more preferable than a large community with heaps of bots.
Don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out.
cormac ap dunn
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Now this is what amuses me. That when this event happens, people who were formerly friends, or at least neutral towards each other, are at each others' throats. You're not as good of a person as you'd like to believe.
Same thing happened with Valve's idler deal, by the way. |
Ninja Ninja
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What exactly is wrong with my manner? That I defended my actions with the same manner of speech that you apparently respected?
Or is it that once I've had an account banned, everything I say is now null and void? I am as disappointed in this community's response as you are in me, give or take. |
cormac ap dunn
fair enough, but as i said, you are still a member of this community. rather then take this as an opportunity to defend (the attacks are a tad immature at this rate, and the topic is getting obscured)use it asa place to resolve your actions, with a community, that like it or not, you helped make stronger. you will likely still log on here (at least i hope) and that means that seeing your fellow guru members as equals means stepping up to your failings, like it or not, with age and contributions comes a pinch more respect and a heap of forgiveness/understanding. nothing says this is the end of your run on guru, unless you let it be the end of your run.
Turbo Ginsu
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You do understand you signed an EULA contract with anet saying they will ban you for botting right?
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Did he bot? He did. And he's been punished, as have all those who have had their accounts justly banned in this botters holocaust. They did wrong, regardless of the fact that we were telling them all along that it was going to jump up and bite them on the arse, and hell yea they paid for it. And it was just, and it was funny, and we all laughed.
IMO, the botters have committed the crime, and have been punished, and that should be that. If they decide that they want to stay part of the Guru community, they have the right. If they decide to buy another GW account, and keep it clean and above boards, then they have just as much right to do so.
IMO, the definition of a botter is not someone who has been caught and punished for it, they're out of the picture until they re-offend. A botter is anyone currently botting.
We all need to remember that all of these folk who've messed up deserve to be given the chance to do it right, not just slammed every time they make a post, give an opinion, or hell, show their face in public.
For the ex-botters: Keep it clean and legit and I have no problem whatsoever with you.
Amaurosis
You don't protest the ban, yet you feel as though your actions were fine and justified? What justifies your actions if they go against the EULA? Absolutely nothing. Just because you came to the conclusion that farming is boring and repetitive is far from a justifiable reason(in any sense of the word) to bot.
Inde
I don't know if this really needs to be said, but we don't ban or restrict an account on Guru because of something that happens in game. Long standing policy that first stretched into our Ventari's Sell forum in the early day.
There are many of us who come and go in this game. Who leave for a while and come back. Who are banned for various reasons in game. Who simply trade their accounts (I know I'm listing EULA violations here) but are still a part of this community. A community develops over time to become more than the game. Guild Wars was simply our starting point and why we gathered in the first place. I'm getting poetic here, but if our IRC room is any indication, if this forum is any indication, we all stick around because we have friends, we like to debate and discuss, we like to stir up a bit of trouble or reminisce. I, personally, even though I'm not your head admin anymore stick around because this is a community that I like, even with all its flaws.
There are many of us who come and go in this game. Who leave for a while and come back. Who are banned for various reasons in game. Who simply trade their accounts (I know I'm listing EULA violations here) but are still a part of this community. A community develops over time to become more than the game. Guild Wars was simply our starting point and why we gathered in the first place. I'm getting poetic here, but if our IRC room is any indication, if this forum is any indication, we all stick around because we have friends, we like to debate and discuss, we like to stir up a bit of trouble or reminisce. I, personally, even though I'm not your head admin anymore stick around because this is a community that I like, even with all its flaws.
Amaurosis
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If they decide that they want to stay part of the Guru community, they have the right. If they decide to buy another GW account, and keep it clean and above boards, then they have just as much right to do so.
We all need to remember that all of these folk who've messed up deserve to be given the chance to do it right, not just slammed every time they make a post, give an opinion, or hell, show their face in public. |
They would only deserve a second chance if it was an accident. They were well aware of what they were doing and did it anyway, giving them a warning is perposterous
Ninja Ninja
CronkTheImpaler
I dont have much of a dog in this hunt but why not pile on for the sake of piling on right? I have to admit it is some seriously funny stuff seeing people try to explain away why they botted.
Botting was the next logical step in the game?? WTF... lmao. thats like saying my job got boring so stealing just seemed the next logical step.
Its like the kid i caught stealing once.. he just couldnt give me enough reasons why... i mean that kid went on and on why it was ok..
Cronk
ps... i am very amazed at some of the people that got the Dhuum scythe. Alot of major league E-Peens met the blade.
Botting was the next logical step in the game?? WTF... lmao. thats like saying my job got boring so stealing just seemed the next logical step.
Its like the kid i caught stealing once.. he just couldnt give me enough reasons why... i mean that kid went on and on why it was ok..
Cronk
ps... i am very amazed at some of the people that got the Dhuum scythe. Alot of major league E-Peens met the blade.
Zahr Dalsk
Amaurosis
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Let me ram it through your thick skull.
I believe my actions were justified. I also believe that as they were a breach of the EULA, ArenaNet is perfectly well within their rights to ban one of my accounts. |
Justified actions = breach of the EULA?
Raven Wing
Zahr Dalsk defined his own rules for Guild Wars. We could maybe agree that his rules were a response to a stale game and ought to be implemented in it. That is, anet should have implemented some functions to automate trivial tasks. But if you define your own rules and use extra software to implement them while ignoring the official rules it can oanly lead one way.
Cheat.
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get away with it because anet doesnt seem to care for months......
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anet wakes up and makes a dhuum party to do the long overdue bans, wish i was there to watch!
Cheat is cheat, enjoy your ban!
Cheat.
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get away with it because anet doesnt seem to care for months......
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anet wakes up and makes a dhuum party to do the long overdue bans, wish i was there to watch!
Cheat is cheat, enjoy your ban!
Ninja Ninja
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Advantage in gaining cosmetic shinies? Moreover, cosmetic shinies that most players already have? I'm not sure that's an advantage.
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The reason why you liked botting was farming which you used to make money but you realize that if bots were legal then everyone could bot which would make farmed items worthless thus killing farming altogether.
CronkTheImpaler
rules are not infintile. We are a society of rules and laws. You can cheat all ya want. Spend a little time playin an FPS and youll be absolutely inundated with hackers. HOWEVER its still cheating.
Rules are black and white by their very nature. They are suppose to be. If you find rules that are gray, then you have found some really crappy rules. Rules are not suppose to be debatable, they are to be followed.
On a totally different topic, how did the game become more fresh or interesting by using bots?? I would think that would be the very definition of boredom.
Cronk
Rules are black and white by their very nature. They are suppose to be. If you find rules that are gray, then you have found some really crappy rules. Rules are not suppose to be debatable, they are to be followed.
On a totally different topic, how did the game become more fresh or interesting by using bots?? I would think that would be the very definition of boredom.
Cronk
Aias
Bots do all the dirty farming work. While they're working, you can do stuff in the game that you couldn't afford to do before, with time you'd normally be spending doing the farming grind.
Ninja Ninja
Yeah but if everyone did this in the bots perfect world where its legal then the items would have no worth so they would make no money.
Oster
So are we all angry that he's calling this game dead? He's got some valid reasons. We do get bad updates that don't add anything to the game. We haven't had something refreshing since everyone discovered JQ. He's right that the game gets dull fast. Farming titles and grinding gets boring even though Anet likes to say that guild wars is against level grinding, it makes up for it in super grinding for everything else.
Although I disagree with the idea that a lack of enjoyment makes people bot.
Although I disagree with the idea that a lack of enjoyment makes people bot.