I'm pretty sure if Anet just issued a 2 week ban on everyone who was suspected of botting and possibly wiping their platinum/ectos, it would've been more than enough to kill the momentum while still giving the players a chance to reflect on their misdemeanors.
It also means it wouldn't hinder the activity of GW and still allow them to keep around 2000 active players who are willing to change their ways. It's not like you can have a bot for everything in the game, and the people who've achieved titles and completions like vanquishing, exploration, and guardian titles must've done it through hard work as well.
I might just be a little irritated that my account has been banned as well, but the worst part of it is I didn't even get a chance to say goodbye to my friends and guild members, whom I've gotten very close to.
Bottom line is: Permament bans for people with no prior offenses might be a little harsh. If you've effectively found a way to stop botting and detect it, then the people that you've banned don't become much of a threat to the game anymore.
Was termination really appropriate?
ShaneOfMach
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Did you just forget about the gold sellers? I am so very sure that especially those people will start reflect and actually care.
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And besides, even if you banned a gold seller, they'll just make a new account and start botting again with a different program. This is more or less for people who have played the game normally for years.
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Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach
I'm pretty sure if Anet just issued a 2 week ban on everyone who was suspected of botting and possibly wiping their platinum/ectos, it would've been more than enough to kill the momentum while still giving the players a chance to reflect on their misdemeanors...
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Or maybe those first-time evildoers like you should have gotten their account back? Clean as a newborn. No titles, no single unlock, no characters. Reflect on this.
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Of course, there were some people who got caught in the crossfire accidentally, like those using textmod a good deal, but they can work that out with support.
I'm sad to say that I lost a lot of friends from GW due to this, but it was time.
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Honestly, I agree. If you just look at the activity spike Guru is getting right now, you know most of the users viewing threads right now are active players who got caught in this incident. They should have just wiped all the items from the account and placed a hefty 2 Months suspension and I'm sure many of the botters would reconsider their choice of gameplay style.
The way ArenaNet have chosen to act will just make them all buy a new account, so what, Complete Collection costs 15€. And you can bet this time around they will not be investing any "manual" time in their account anymore, and instead just let their bots rebuild their wealth.
The way ArenaNet have chosen to act will just make them all buy a new account, so what, Complete Collection costs 15€. And you can bet this time around they will not be investing any "manual" time in their account anymore, and instead just let their bots rebuild their wealth.
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Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach
This is more or less for people who have played the game normally for years.
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Yeah, they got what they deserved. They may have "played the game normally for years" but still chose to go down the wrong path...
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Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach
Bottom line is: the people that you've banned don't become much of a threat to the game anymore.
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End of story now, please.
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I might just be a little irritated that my account has been banned as well, but the worst part of it is I didn't even get a chance to say goodbye to my friends and guild members, whom I've gotten very close to.
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Yes. The end. If you botted in GW and didn't know the repercussions, then you're an idiot. It's been stated plainly numerous times and whining about just now getting caught is a joke.
Of course, there were some people who got caught in the crossfire accidentally, like those using textmod a good deal, but they can work that out with support. I'm sad to say that I lost a lot of friends from GW due to this, but it was time. |
It doesn't help that there were Anti-Bot threads lingering on the forums for months without any sign of acknowledgement from ArenaNet.
But maybe this is how ArenaNet expects to make business; apply enough psychological pressure on your customers and get them to breach your contract and have to buy a new game box. After all it's a Win-Win situation for them, they get to free up server space OR get paid for it a second time.
Thrilla Killa
No sympathy for cheaters. If you were dumb enough to download a bot and use it to exploit the game, then im glad your perma banned. Why dont we forgive murderers who are sorry too while were at it. And that guy who stole your car, he said he's sorry too. Let's let him off the hook and give him another chance. There's still plenty of us honest players out there who never violate the EULA. If you enjoyed the game so much, you never would of used cheats in the first place.
"It also means it wouldn't hinder the activity of GW and still allow them to keep around 2000 active players who are willing to change their ways"
Have you logged on recently? because there's still plenty of people playing. It seems like theres more than there was before all the bans.
"It also means it wouldn't hinder the activity of GW and still allow them to keep around 2000 active players who are willing to change their ways"
Have you logged on recently? because there's still plenty of people playing. It seems like theres more than there was before all the bans.
Rhododendron
Honestly, will people banned for breaching the EULA ever stop begging for a second chance? You guys got mowed by Dhuum himself; there is no coming back !
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I'm pretty sure if Anet just issued a 2 week ban on everyone who was suspected of botting and possibly wiping their platinum/ectos, it would've been more than enough to kill the momentum while still giving the players a chance to reflect on their misdemeanors.
It also means it wouldn't hinder the activity of GW and still allow them to keep around 2000 active players who are willing to change their ways. It's not like you can have a bot for everything in the game, and the people who've achieved titles and completions like vanquishing, exploration, and guardian titles must've done it through hard work as well. I might just be a little irritated that my account has been banned as well, but the worst part of it is I didn't even get a chance to say goodbye to my friends and guild members, whom I've gotten very close to. Bottom line is: Permament bans for people with no prior offenses might be a little harsh. If you've effectively found a way to stop botting and detect it, then the people that you've banned don't become much of a threat to the game anymore. |
You got what you deserved and everyone of the rest did as well. No amount of apology or I'm sorry or they did us wrong songs will work for your kind or what you did. Permanent for good ban was most appropriate and I'm glad and I would laugh in your face were I given the chance.
cormac ap dunn
going out on a limb here and guessing those saying the ban was unjust were banned? of course when you break the rules and pay the price it seems unfair, but when you broke the rules to begin with it seemed unfair to those of us that never did! best to remember, there is no true victim-less crime, and though your may feel steep to you, to the rest of us, it hardly seems enough(but seeing you wiped by Dhuum Rates close to enough)
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Bottom line is: Permament bans for people with no prior offenses might be a little harsh. If you've effectively found a way to stop botting and detect it, then the people that you've banned don't become much of a threat to the game anymore.
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They should have just wiped all the items from the account and placed a hefty 2 Months suspension and I'm sure many of the botters would reconsider their choice of gameplay style.
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Wow.
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Originally Posted by code
Oh come on. No one knew of the repercussions or they would not have botted in the first place.
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Bob Slydell
I really hope I don't see some threads on guru later like:
"Petition for Mass Banned to get Second Chance"
"Petition for Mass Banned to get Second Chance"
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Originally Posted by Del
they knew exactly what could happen, it's in the eula, if you didn't read it, no one's fault but yours. and people did it because they thought anet didn't give a shit and would let them. i approve of this whole mass ban.
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That is, if the EULA were even a binding agreement, because at least in Europe, it is NOT.
cormac ap dunn
please don't give them ideas... they are already easily persuaded...
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Originally Posted by code
Don't come with the EULA excuses, the EULA says ArenaNet can ban you for any or no reason whatsoever. So you know that you are going to get banned, even if you abide by the agreement, AMIRITE?
That is, if the EULA were even a binding agreement, because at least in Europe, it is NOT. |
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Why would they ban someone who is abiding by the EULA?
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Fay Vert
I don't think it is appropriate for all. The problem is that ANet ignored this problem as it grew for a very long time. It almost became accepted that ANet didn't care and people were starting to say that it didn't matter, it's a five year old dead game. In that context, many people will have been persuaded to bot, especially if the alternative was to grind away at the time>skill content that ANet has been adding a lot of for a long time.
Serious PvP botting and massive farming (presumably RMT) should have been hit with a permaban, but I think for most people a sharp two week-one month ban and a last chance mark on their account would do the job.
Also, I am certain that at least some will have been wrongfully banned. I hope is few enough to be resolvable, but the fear is that there may be many dozens of inocent players caught in this.
10/10 for the Dhumm ban ceremony though
Serious PvP botting and massive farming (presumably RMT) should have been hit with a permaban, but I think for most people a sharp two week-one month ban and a last chance mark on their account would do the job.
Also, I am certain that at least some will have been wrongfully banned. I hope is few enough to be resolvable, but the fear is that there may be many dozens of inocent players caught in this.
10/10 for the Dhumm ban ceremony though
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Originally Posted by Fay Vert
I don't think it is appropriate for all. The problem is that ANet ignored this problem as it grew for a very long time. It almost became accepted that ANet didn't care and people were starting to say that it didn't matter, it's a five year old dead game. In that context, many people will have been persuaded to bot, especially if the alternative was to grind away at the time>skill content that ANet has been adding a lot of for a long time.
Serious PvP botting and massive farming (presumably RMT) should have been hit with a permaban, but I think for most people a sharp two week-one month ban and a last chance mark on their account would do the job. Also, I am certain that at least some will have been wrongfully banned. I hope is few enough to be resolvable, but the fear is that there may be many dozens of inocent players caught in this. 10/10 for the Dhumm ban ceremony though |
By setting up a climate of hatred/ignorance of their own players, ArenaNet provoked this a lot more than it should have been.
Sir Cusfreak
Termination: ABSOLUTELY appropriate. It's too bad they dont get to do other things to bottors ON TOP OF being terminated, like a good swift kick in the nuts would be appropriate, too.
I wish they were more thorough, and banned every botter, and every account that was touched by the same IP as a botter, EVER. But I am THRILLED with the progress made,
they got a good chunk, and I'm glad. and they say they arent done, and I'm glad.
BYE, SCUM. HAPPY DHUUMSDAY!!!!
I wish they were more thorough, and banned every botter, and every account that was touched by the same IP as a botter, EVER. But I am THRILLED with the progress made,
they got a good chunk, and I'm glad. and they say they arent done, and I'm glad.
BYE, SCUM. HAPPY DHUUMSDAY!!!!
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Don't come with the EULA excuses, the EULA says ArenaNet can ban you for any or no reason whatsoever. So you know that you are going to get banned, even if you abide by the agreement, AMIRITE?
That is, if the EULA were even a binding agreement, because at least in Europe, it is NOT. |
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Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach
I'm pretty sure if Anet just issued a 2 week ban on everyone who was suspected of botting and possibly wiping their platinum/ectos, it would've been more than enough to kill the momentum while still giving the players a chance to reflect on their misdemeanors.
It also means it wouldn't hinder the activity of GW and still allow them to keep around 2000 active players who are willing to change their ways. It's not like you can have a bot for everything in the game, and the people who've achieved titles and completions like vanquishing, exploration, and guardian titles must've done it through hard work as well. I might just be a little irritated that my account has been banned as well, but the worst part of it is I didn't even get a chance to say goodbye to my friends and guild members, whom I've gotten very close to. Bottom line is: Permament bans for people with no prior offenses might be a little harsh. If you've effectively found a way to stop botting and detect it, then the people that you've banned don't become much of a threat to the game anymore. |
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Originally Posted by Fay Vert
I don't think it is appropriate for all. The problem is that ANet ignored this problem as it grew for a very long time. It almost became accepted that ANet didn't care and people were starting to say that it didn't matter, it's a five year old dead game. In that context, many people will have been persuaded to bot, especially if the alternative was to grind away at the time>skill content that ANet has been adding a lot of for a long time.
Serious PvP botting and massive farming (presumably RMT) should have been hit with a permaban, but I think for most people a sharp two week-one month ban and a last chance mark on their account would do the job. Also, I am certain that at least some will have been wrongfully banned. I hope is few enough to be resolvable, but the fear is that there may be many dozens of inocent players caught in this. 10/10 for the Dhumm ban ceremony though |
Tell me, if the game is so old and dead, then wouldn't the achievements in it also be old and dead (aka not worth it to get)?
Femmefatal
They won't get any of the benefits in GW2 either and you know they shouldn't even let them in that come to think of it. They should IP/ISP or however they do the permanent ban to include GW2 now that would really stoke them wouldn't it? tee hee
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They won't get any of the benefits in GW2 either and you know they shouldn't even let them in that come to think of it. They should IP/ISP or however they do the permanent ban to include GW2 now that would really stoke them wouldn't it? tee hee
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You use the game's age as an excuse to bot your achievements because you can't bother to play it yourself.
Tell me, if the game is so old and dead, then wouldn't the achievements in it also be old and dead (aka not worth it to get)? |
Do you remember the recent scandals with the portals in Slaver's Exile? While I knew of it, I would have NEVER tried it out.
Result: No one was punished.
Or even the green moddings, just now?
Result: No one was punished.
Or maybe bypassing the bosses in Slaver's Exile at the beginning of GW:EN? I didn't participate.
Result: No one was punished.
Is it fair in this regard, that players skipping the bosses before Mallyx were permanently banned? (FYI it did turn out that NO ONE in the whole Mallyx incident used a third party program, and the steps to access the outpost through normaly gameplay have been acknowledged by ArenaNet, but those ""guilty"" of the exploit have been told that they CANNOT be unbanned due to the negative image an unbanning would shed on the GW community as a whole)
Is it fair that those who were unwise enough to download candy farming bots were permanently banned?
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I really hope I don't see some threads on guru later like:
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iPhone commercial spoof... "There is an app for that."
GW "there is a bot for that"
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Oh come on. No one knew of the repercussions or they would not have botted in the first place.
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It doesn't help that there were Anti-Bot threads lingering on the forums for months without any sign of acknowledgement from ArenaNet.
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We saw the threads about your concerns with botting over the past couple months. We weren’t ignoring you, but we couldn't talk about what we were doing beforehand, as we didn’t want to tip our hand and inadvertently alert the botters to our plans. We take this issue very seriously and will continue to hunt for botters and cheaters of all sorts. There are consequences if you engage in botting or match manipulation.
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But maybe this is how ArenaNet expects to make business; apply enough psychological pressure on your customers and get them to breach your contract and have to buy a new game box. After all it's a Win-Win situation for them, they get to free up server space OR get paid for it a second time.
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Originally Posted by Fay Vert
I don't think it is appropriate for all. The problem is that ANet ignored this problem as it grew for a very long time. It almost became accepted that ANet didn't care and people were starting to say that it didn't matter, it's a five year old dead game.
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Just my two cents. Thought I'd throw them in before this post gets closed.
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..and im going to quit too since i have nobody to play with. i know me and at least 2-3 of my friends bought every costume, every add on and every single thing that we could for our accounts. ...i mean thats nearly 4000 customers right there they have just lost..+ the people like me who wont play cause they have no friends.
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i mean seriously those players who had god walking or close to it through hard work and botted just for items like festival drops or ectos or whatever else you can bot for i dont know..do anet seriously think those people are going to go out and buy new accounts and begin again? i doubt it
once again anet have done what needed to be done..but i think personally did it the wrong way...4000 at once is a bit excessive. well i had fun playing anyway..nice 1 punishing players who did nothing wrong |
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Don't come with the EULA excuses, the EULA says ArenaNet can ban you for any or no reason whatsoever. So you know that you are going to get banned, even if you abide by the agreement, AMIRITE?
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They didn't want you to know.....
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Of course they did not want their players to know, or there would not have been so many botters to ban (read: get the payment for a second copy of Guild Wars)
Oh, and I did not bot, no, I would not risk my account with such trivial things.
MisterB
Read the warnings next time. ANet said don't bot or we'll ban you.
It is also an alternative to ignore any title that any player feels may have too much grind, and this alternative is not expressly forbidden by ANet's rules. Titles really are optional. Well, except for a few like Luxon/Kurzick and Sunspear.
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I don't think it is appropriate for all. The problem is that ANet ignored this problem as it grew for a very long time. It almost became accepted that ANet didn't care and people were starting to say that it didn't matter, it's a five year old dead game. In that context, many people will have been persuaded to bot, especially if the alternative was to grind away at the time>skill content that ANet has been adding a lot of for a long time.
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Excuse me, but I am about certain he did not mean to imply botting was so easy for players to start because of the game's age; but much more because of the lowering interest ArenaNet seems to be putting in the game coupled with these months with absence of acknowledgement of the bots and any punishments for them.
Do you remember the recent scandals with the portals in Slaver's Exile? While I knew of it, I would have NEVER tried it out. Result: No one was punished. Or even the green moddings, just now? Result: No one was punished. Or maybe bypassing the bosses in Slaver's Exile at the beginning of GW:EN? I didn't participate. Result: No one was punished. Is it fair in this regard, that players skipping the bosses before Mallyx were permanently banned? (FYI it did turn out that NO ONE in the whole Mallyx incident used a third party program, and the steps to access the outpost through normaly gameplay have been acknowledged by ArenaNet, but those ""guilty"" of the exploit have been told that they CANNOT be unbanned due to the negative image an unbanning would shed on the GW community as a whole) Is it fair that those who were unwise enough to download candy farming bots were permanently banned? |
And don't even ask me if the Mallyx Exploit or the Candy Farming bots were bannable, they were because arenanet felt they were.
I suggest you move on with your life at this point...really man.
EDIT: Now that I think of it, the Mallyx exploit had people gaining access to a hidden outpost using hacks, THAT is a ban right there, along with the bot you mentioned.
But your first three examples? No.. they are not bannable.
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don't use that no one knew of the repercussions bullshit. it was said that they could terminate a user's account for violating the eula, boters violated the eula, so they got banned, it's all fair and just, quit your bitching, grow up, and deal with it.
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Now grow up and get some english spelling lessons.
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Read the warnings next time. ANet said don't bot or we'll ban you.
It is also an alternative to ignore any title that any player feels may have too much grind, and this alternative is not expressly forbidden by ANet's rules. Titles really are optional. Well, except for a few like Luxon/Kurzick and Sunspear. |