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27 May 2010 at 20:45 - 81

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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell

You use the game's age as an excuse to bot your achievements because you can't bother to play it yourself.

Tell me, if the game is so old and dead, then wouldn't the achievements in it also be old and dead (aka not worth it to get)?

You might want to bother reading the whole post and engaging your brain before posting in such ignorance.

Get off your high horse and think outside of your bigotry for a change.

You might also want to consider this is just a game!

Eragon Zarroc

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27 May 2010 at 20:45 - 82

yes, it was appropriate. must set an example.

Skyy High

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27 May 2010 at 20:48 - 83

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Originally Posted by code

Don't come with the EULA excuses, the EULA says ArenaNet can ban you for any or no reason whatsoever. So you know that you are going to get banned, even if you abide by the agreement, AMIRITE?

That is, if the EULA were even a binding agreement, because at least in Europe, it is NOT.

Okay. It was on the log-in screen. If you didn't think that cheating at a game would get you banned, well, you're an idiot. Bye.

Also: the EULA isn't a legally binding agreement, but then again, you have no legal rights to the game either. As a guide of player conduct, it is entirely sufficient in telling you what will or will not bring the banhammer upon you.

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There are customer protection laws in place for that very reason.
At the time when you bought the game, you were not aware of its EULA.

1: You had to click "I agree". Too bad if you didn't read what you were agreeing to.
2: It was cheating. Anyone who had the knowledge to seek out, download, and set up the bot would have known that bots and hacks are ways of cheating at the game. You shouldn't need someone to tell you "don't do that" to download something that you know to be a hack.
3: Again, log-in screen.

QQ, go away, lock thread plz.

merek

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27 May 2010 at 20:48 - 84

Yea! they deserve a second chance they won't go back to their old ways exploiting the market and destroying that game../sarcastic

Rocky Raccoon

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27 May 2010 at 20:51 - 85

Quote:

Originally Posted by code

Correction: There is a cop standing next to the car and watches a bunch of people steal it *completely ignoring them*, but if you steal a bike he will sentence you to death.

Proof by analogy is fraud.

Botting is the real fraud here.

Zarion Silverarrow

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27 May 2010 at 20:51 - 86

Partly I agree with the bans.

BUT I'm sure some people like me,used bots for little time (being 10 mins or less,<5 mins for me) and then decided not to,did not gain 1 gold or 1 point in any tittle track. I did not use it on PVP,I did not gain anything from it,and it was 5 minutes out of the 2.5k hours I have played over the alst 4 years.

The bans should have been done abit more with observation,instead than with a program that detects if you ever injected a dll into your GW.

If you made even 1 gold using bots,I consider than ban to be OK,but since I did not bother anyone (did not use on PvP),I did not take advantage of anyone (did not earn 1 gold or 1 pt in any tittles),and did not abuse the bot (<5 minutes...cmon) I don't think I should have been banned,atleast not permanently...

Its like giving a murderer the death sentence,and giving a 5 year old who stole a little ball from his friend a death sentence too...

Bob Slydell

Forge Runner

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27 May 2010 at 20:55 - 87

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

Partly I agree with the bans.

BUT I'm sure some people like me,used bots for little time (being 10 mins or less,<5 mins for me) and then decided not to,did not gain 1 gold or 1 point in any tittle track. I did not use it on PVP,I did not gain anything from it,and it was 5 minutes out of the 2.5k hours I have played over the alst 4 years.

The bans should have been done abit more with observation,instead than with a program that detects if you ever injected a dll into your GW.

If you made even 1 gold using bots,I consider than ban to be OK,but since I did not bother anyone (did not use on PvP),I did not take advantage of anyone (did not earn 1 gold or 1 pt in any tittles),and did not abuse the bot (<5 minutes...cmon) I don't think I should have been banned,atleast not permanently...

Its like giving a murderer the death sentence,and giving a 5 year old who stole a little ball from his friend a death sentence too...

You still hacked the game by using DLL injection. Regardless if you wanted to see how it worked or not, anyone in their right mind wouldn't even take the risk.

vamp08

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27 May 2010 at 20:55 - 88

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

When you thank Anet/NC for the bans, also make sure to thank them for encouraging people to repeatedly hit you in balls.

Most kids won't do this, they are too smug: sticking their tongues out singing "na na na na poo poo!"

Fact: Anet let the bots happen, simple as that. Mommy saying "don't do that" 1 time to her kids wont have much of an effect, the kid has to stick his/her hand on that stovetop to feel the sting, THEN they will stop.

Argue all you want, your just getting on your knees for Anet in the end...and they are basking in such appraisal when behind the scenes they really didn't give a rat's *ss and Regina is stuffing her ego with Idolitry.

(side note: you Don't desrve my mother's name)

Zarion Silverarrow

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27 May 2010 at 20:56 - 89

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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell

You still hacked the game by using DLL injection. Regardless if you wanted to see how it worked or not, anyone in their right mind wouldn't even take the risk.

I know,I know,but the point is I took it back in time before I earned anything.

PS:also it was in my not-main account...I don't see why the main one got banned anyways. (hence,why this fails. If my friend visited an loged with his account,he would have been banned since the .dat had been injected)

cormac ap dunn

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27 May 2010 at 20:58 - 90

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

Partly I agree with the bans.

BUT I'm sure some people like me,used bots for little time (being 10 mins or less,<5 mins for me) and then decided not to,did not gain 1 gold or 1 point in any tittle track. I did not use it on PVP,I did not gain anything from it,and it was 5 minutes out of the 2.5k hours I have played over the alst 4 years.

The bans should have been done abit more with observation,instead than with a program that detects if you ever injected a dll into your GW.

If you made even 1 gold using bots,I consider than ban to be OK,but since I did not bother anyone (did not use on PvP),I did not take advantage of anyone (did not earn 1 gold or 1 pt in any tittles),and did not abuse the bot (<5 minutes...cmon) I don't think I should have been banned,atleast not permanently...

Its like giving a murderer the death sentence,and giving a 5 year old who stole a little ball from his friend a death sentence too...

mmmk, you really do take every chance you get to try and rally support for your bad decision don't you? your banned, you have repeatedly admitted you used a bot (yes even just 1 time is a direct breach). gotta say, for someone that admits to botting, you are tenaciously holding on to being "innocent"
and really? the Murder annology again? didn't we get enough of this already? you got banned, suck it up, and move on

Bob Slydell

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27 May 2010 at 20:58 - 91

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

I know,I know,but the point is I took it back in time before I earned anything.

And I realize that, But still... you took a HUGE risk in doing the whole injection stuff and you knew botting was against the EULA

crazybanshee

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27 May 2010 at 20:59 - 92

There's something I don't understand here. You want people to get back accounts that are wiped clean, no titles/unlocks/items/money/characters? Go to the store and spend $10 for a new trilogy pack, and don't bot next time.

Mireles

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27 May 2010 at 20:59 - 93

Cheating is cheating...you got banned because ignorance lead u to believe that you deserve to cheat and get away with it....and nobody wants to play with a cheater...

by perma banning you destroy all retained benefits obtained threw botting wiether it be titles, currency, armor, ect...by letting you keep such benefits is ludicrous. you lose deserve to everything because you never earned it yourself.

You want back in?

Buy a new account and do it the right way like you should of done the first time.

I only wish i could see reaction videos of ppl getting ban hammered in game

The Josip

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27 May 2010 at 21:00 - 94

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Originally Posted by lorenna

just because someone cheats on a GAME does not mean they dont have morals or ethics..if u played monopoly with a friend..which is also a game btw also and they cheated u wouldnt say OMFG IM NEVER GOING TO PLAY WITH YOU AGAIN YOU CHEATED! if i was playing poker for real money and someone cheated..thats different

Congratulations, you're officially materialistic no-ethics person. It's all about the money isn't it?

Well for me it's not. Sorry. I don't play games with people who cheat, if I can choose. I once played a board game with someone who cheated. I found that extremely despicable - how pathetic do you have to be to cheat like that? I never played anything with him anymore.
Then, I had a friend who had to cheat in games because he couldn't admit defeat. His cheating was too obvious though, and guess what, cheating wasn't only the part of his problematic personality. Needless to say, we're not friends anymore, I had enough.

So don't tell me that what happens in a game is totally irrelevant, and what happens "for money" is relevant. I don't make that distinction. And I don't consider people who cheat in games the ones who have "ethics" and "morals". Come on, people who have ethics and morals don't cheat. I'm not saying no one will ever try to see how something is, but hey, if you do be a man and face the consequences.

Lastly, by your own materialistic definition, if you cheat on a girlfriend you're still a moral person with healthy ethics because it wasn't for the money.

I'd rather be unethical than belong to your ethics system.

Ghost Dog

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27 May 2010 at 21:00 - 95

Quote:

Originally Posted by code

They should have just wiped all the items from the account and placed a hefty 2 Months suspension and I'm sure many of the botters would reconsider their choice of gameplay style.

Cheaters are so full of shit, you knew what you were doing was not right now man up and deal with the consequences.

cormac ap dunn

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27 May 2010 at 21:02 - 96

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Originally Posted by vamp08

Most kids won't do this, they are too smug: sticking their tongues out singing "na na na na poo poo!"

Fact: Anet let the bots happen, simple as that. Mommy saying "don't do that" 1 time to her kids wont have much of an effect, the kid has to stick his/her hand on that stovetop to feel the sting, THEN they will stop.

Argue all you want, your just getting on your knees for Anet in the end...and they are basking in such appraisal when behind the scenes they really didn't give a rat's *ss and Regina is stuffing her ego with Idolitry.

(side note: you Don't desrve my mother's name)

i think clearly the botters have had their hands on that burner, and my freind, they lost those fingers, whats a better lesson to that childs siblings? "your brother/sister burned themselves" or " you see that stump? yeah, don't touch the stove!"?

Zarion Silverarrow

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27 May 2010 at 21:02 - 97

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

mmmk, you really do take every chance you get to try and rally support for your bad decision don't you? your banned, you have repeatedly admitted you used a bot (yes even just 1 time is a direct breach). gotta say, for someone that admits to botting, you are tenaciously holding on to being "innocent"
and really? the Murder annology again? didn't we get enough of this already? you got banned, suck it up, and move on

I'm not whining.

Just asking for my account back if its possible...Stop being such an ass,everyone here is out of control with this.

Ok now,since I admit I boted (lets call it that,anyways) and I'm being honest,thats bad? OK OK sorry,let me rephrase and act like everyone else.

---here goes---

OMG I DIDNT BOT LUL I MADE 100K+102031IE EVERYDAY I DUNT UNDERSTAND EQ39E-3IDdD-QD-0 WUT LOL IDK WHY I GOT BANNED!?#?#!?#?4..[email protected] IT SHOULDV NOT BEEN PERMANTLY SINCE I KNOW ITS BAD I WONT DO IT AGAIN

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The point is,I took it back BEFORE the ban,so I'm not a smart-@$$ trying to look innocent,I'm just saying what I did.

Bob Slydell

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

27 May 2010 at 21:04 - 98

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

I'm not whining.

Just asking for my account back if its possible...Stop being such an ass,everyone here is out of control with this.

Ok now,since I admit I boted (lets call it that,anyways) and I'm being honest,thats bad? OK OK sorry,let me rephrase and act like everyone else.

---here goes---

OMG I DIDNT BOT LUL I MADE 100K+102031IE EVERYDAY I DUNT UNDERSTAND EQ39E-3IDdD-QD-0 WUT LOL IDK WHY I GOT BANNED!?#?#!?#?4..[email protected] IT SHOULDV NOT BEEN PERMANTLY SINCE I KNOW ITS BAD I WONT DO IT AGAIN

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The point is,I took it back BEFORE the ban,so I'm not a smart-@$$ trying to look innocent,I'm just saying what I did.

You are missing the point. You hacked your game files and logged on to your account with a bot. End of story bro.

If you would have just left botting alone and not try to "see how it works" you might have still had your account today, like me, but you don't.

Just move on man, you lost Guild Wars.

cormac ap dunn

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27 May 2010 at 21:08 - 99

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

The point is,I took it back BEFORE the ban,so I'm not a smart-@$$ trying to look innocent,I'm just saying what I did.

not saying you are one, but i am saying that this site will not get you your account back, appealing to the masses does you NO good on this forum, instead, be patient, wait for NCsoft to reply to you, there word is the one you need, not a forums approval for your bad choices

trankle

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27 May 2010 at 21:08 - 100

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

I know,I know,but the point is I took it back in time before I earned anything.

No, actually. The entire point is that you used a bot. The "crime" was committed. It does not matter how much you profited from this action - it matters that you made the decision to take the action in the first place.

You don't get to decide the terms of punishment based on your perceived level of abuse. You get to make one decision - use a bot or don't. You made your decision.

Quail Stomp

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27 May 2010 at 21:08 - 101

Anyone else getting sick of stupid threads like this?

fireflyry

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27 May 2010 at 21:09 - 102

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

Does this mean that the governing body is just as complicit as those who used low blows? Absolutely.
When you thank Anet/NC for the bans, also make sure to thank them for encouraging people to repeatedly hit you in balls.

Let's get real here.

How else were they expected to efficiently solve the problem unless they recorded such abuse over time as frequent and prolonged.It's the only logical way to resolve the issue without creating a huge increase in inappropriate bans.

Another rough analogy:You might get caught for robbing a bank.What do you think would happen if you went before the court and used "...but I robbed dozens of other banks and got away with it for months..." as your defence.

Slack policing is never going to be a justifiable excuse for breaking the EULA and no amount of angry botters will ever change that fact.

kanuks

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27 May 2010 at 21:09 - 103

Botting = illegal = ban.

You knew it. Now strop crying.

Zarion Silverarrow

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27 May 2010 at 21:10 - 104

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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell

You are missing the point. You hacked your game files and logged on to your account with a bot. End of story bro.

If you would have just left botting alone and not try to "see how it works" you might have still had your account today, like me, but you don't.

Just move on man, you lost Guild Wars.

I know...curiosity killed the cat...and I guess A-net don't like cats...

Anyways I'm trying to explain to A-net...doubt I'l get it back but who knows

I think I'll stay active on Guru...I don't hate A-net,if I worked there I would have banned myself too,since I couldn't know if the user gained anything or not.

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

not saying you are one, but i am saying that this site will not get you your account back, appealing to the masses does you NO good on this forum, instead, be patient, wait for NCsoft to reply to you, there word is the one you need, not a forums approval for your bad choices

I'm not posting to get my account back...I'm just posting...

Already mailed ncsoft...last message was that the ticket has been elevated to the "senior staff"...Kinda scared but excited at the same time..

Dzjudz

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27 May 2010 at 21:12 - 105

Well at least you own up to it. Now all that's left is accepting the consequences of the actions you owned up to. Or are you owning up to the actions, expecting to dodge the consequences because of that? No dice.

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Curiosity killed the cat

Why use a bot? You know what it would do. You can youtube them, whatever.

ShaneOfMach

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27 May 2010 at 21:12 - 106

This is probably the most immature thread I've ever read.

cormac ap dunn

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27 May 2010 at 21:13 - 107

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

I know...curiosity killed the cat...and I guess A-net don't like cats...

Anyways I'm trying to explain to A-net...doubt I'l get it back but who knows

I think I'll stay active on Guru...I don't hate A-net,if I worked there I would have banned myself too,since I couldn't know if the user gained anything or not.

Ok, see, thats a sensible response. you see where they are coming from. thats a big jump from thinking that one offense is not worth banning for.

Zarion Silverarrow

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27 May 2010 at 21:15 - 108

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

Ok, see, thats a sensible response. you see where they are coming from. thats a big jump from thinking that one offense is not worth banning for.

I still don't think its worth banning for,BUT they could not have known...thats all I'm saying in one sentence lol.

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27 May 2010 at 21:16 - 109

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quail Stomp

Anyone else getting sick of stupid threads like this?

No. These threads flag the asshats on all sides of the issue.

Wynthyst

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27 May 2010 at 21:17 - 110

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Was termination really appropriate?

Absolutely, unequivocally.

Regardless of how many of the "old school" players have left, become jaded, are frustrated with the wait for GW2, etc., etc., Guild Wars was designed the way it was to eliminate (or at least greatly reduce) the number of cheats, hackers, etc. And for many of us, that is one of the reasons it has been the source of so many hours of entertainment.

I've always been puzzled by the attitude of some gamers who, go out, spend $50 on a game, and then instantly go searching for cheat codes so they can play in godmode. What is the point in buying the game if you don't acutally have an interest in PLAYING it?

I play games for personal entertainment and the personal sense of satisfaction I gain when I master it, legitimately. I would like to think that all "real" gamers feel much the same. People who would rather gain those achievements by cheating have absolutely no business in the game to begin with.

I am personally very glad that these accounts have been terminated, and while I know there are a few people who have been erroneously caught in the crossfire, they will, if they are patient and reasonable, get their accounts back (I have had nothing but positive results from the support team in dealing with account problems, I have no reason to believe they will not satisfactorily resolve these errors), the vast majority of these bans are going to stand, and the game will be better for it.

Unfortunately, the community, those of us who interact on fansites, will bear the hate and discontent of those who have been banned from the game.

I have no fear that this action (and further account terminations) will impact the "success" of GW2 in anything but a positive way, if people getting banned for botting, or otherwise cheating (match manipulation) are so pissed off that they don't buy GW2, that can ONLY be a good thing for the rest of us.

Firebaall

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27 May 2010 at 21:19 - 111

Bullshit.

Termination with no second chance is the only solution. I've read how those monkeys have multiple storage accounts that were untouched. If we allow any of them back, they will still have access to the ill gotten loot.

Good bye. Good riddance.

Please let the door hit you on the way out.

cormac ap dunn

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27 May 2010 at 21:23 - 112

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quail Stomp

Anyone else getting sick of stupid threads like this?

to be honest, seeing the community so engaged in this topic is exactly what the game needs. no matter the view you take, interacting with each other on this level is what keeps the "dead game" syndrome at bay. a truelly dead game would have a minimal reaction, limited debate, maybe even a dead forum. To see that even the banned are coming out in full force means they still care enough about the game to react, to debate, and for better or worse,give their opinions. i say bring on more threads that are this heated.

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27 May 2010 at 21:24 - 113

Sorry but there is no Res shrine for People in this case(no second chance).... It's like you just went into UW and got slaughtered(by Dhuum mind you) literally... except instead of returning to town you are now completely BANNED from the game. This is the only way you can lose in GW and you sir along with 3700+ others have lost. GG

Ghost Dog

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27 May 2010 at 21:26 - 114

You know what the best part is, the people that made the bots for these awful gamers are the same people that turned on them in the drop of a hat, they just took you through the noob food chain.

They got you banned and I'm sure they are loling.

Zarion Silverarrow

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27 May 2010 at 21:26 - 115

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fear The Apocalypse

Sorry but there is no Res shrine for People in this case(no second chance).... It's like you just went into UW and got slaughtered(by Dhuum mind you) literally... except instead of returning to town you are now completely BANNED from the game. This is the only way you can lose in GW and you sir along with 3700+ others have lost. GG

Dhuum was my God...traitor...

ShaneOfMach

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27 May 2010 at 21:26 - 116

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dzjudz

Well at least you own up to it. Now all that's left is accepting the consequences of the actions you owned up to. Or are you owning up to the actions, expecting to dodge the consequences because of that? No dice.

As far as I'm concerned, I've already quit this game two years ago, and only came back to do some runs with friends etc.

I honestly can't say I'm disappointed in having my account banned, it's just that I know for a fact that I've helped my guild/alliance community much more than I've caused some arbitrary harm to the game as whole.

I offer freed lockpicks on runs when people forgot them, solely provided for consets and other minor expenses, gave away items I acquired from the runs I did. Hell, even when one of our officers got hacked and had all of his characters wiped. I gave him a hefty sum that was well over half my wealth just to get him started.

It was fun playing Guild Wars again not for the sake of money, but rather the sake of helping others. I don't regret botting and I won't even deny that I did, but I know I'm a good person and that I've inspired a good hand full of people to be respectful and generous as well.

In addressing this thread, this topic was made for speculation and discussion alone, have fun with your blatant assumptions, misunderstandings, and endless hatred for one another. Just because you express disdain in the form of "justice" doesn't change the fact that it's disdain in itself.

sixdartbart

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27 May 2010 at 21:29 - 117

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Originally Posted by Wynthyst

Absolutely, unequivocally.

Regardless of how many of the "old school" players have left, become jaded, are frustrated with the wait for GW2, etc., etc., Guild Wars was designed the way it was to eliminate (or at least greatly reduce) the number of cheats, hackers, etc. And for many of us, that is one of the reasons it has been the source of so many hours of entertainment.

I've always been puzzled by the attitude of some gamers who, go out, spend $50 on a game, and then instantly go searching for cheat codes so they can play in godmode. What is the point in buying the game if you don't acutally have an interest in PLAYING it?

I play games for personal entertainment and the personal sense of satisfaction I gain when I master it, legitimately. I would like to think that all "real" gamers feel much the same. People who would rather gain those achievements by cheating have absolutely no business in the game to begin with.

Well said!!!

I've played several other games while on leave from GWs and was shocked at how blatantly cheats are used and allowed, no matter what shortcomings Anet has had with GWs I think they are so much better then the others out there and it's great to see them dealing with the cheats the way they have.

The cheats will always be present and we can only hope that companies do their best to keep up with the bots/dupes/whatever else they come up with and from my personal experience, Anet does a far better job at this then most.

Perkunas

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27 May 2010 at 21:32 - 118

There is a saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
Anet gave the botters "lots of rope," too bad the botters used every inch of it, they hung themselves out to dry. Too, bad. Play by the rules and keep playing, or break them and be hobbled.

It's Goofy Time

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27 May 2010 at 21:33 - 119

I whole heartedly agree with you. This ban is ridiculous, I'm at like the stage of grieving right now. I feel as if 8000 hours of my life was ripped away from me. I can't emotionally handle this, a few of my friends are at the point where we will do anything to gain our accounts back.

mage767

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27 May 2010 at 21:34 - 120

Though I dislike botting more than anything else, perma bans should never be enforced. There should be a long-ban (like 3 months). If the action is repeated, then all titles (PvP or PvE) + items should be removed and the account allowed to function as usual. This should be done for all accounts tied to the same IP. So, don't let your grandma or kid brother play on the same computer as you.

It is just a game. The stance by ANET is worst business move I have seen.