Emailing Support - Why are we doing it?

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Iuris
Iuris
Forge Runner
#121
Has anyone mentioned that contacting support will only work IF you actually have a valid issue? Like, "I only botted for 5 minutes" not being enough and only cluttering up support personnel?

P.S.
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Frankly my dear,maybe the point is that I don't care what you say,I'l keep posting and mailing. I moved on long ago. GW was just a hobby for me,if I don't get my account so be it,but I will keep insisting. Anything you say to me is irrelevant. I.Will.Keep.Insisting.
THIS is the exact reason why such "automated replies" are used, and why they are the appropriate solution to the issue.

BTW. about automated replies: they're not automated. Someone has to read the mail and then select the prepared reply.
Emunator
Emunator
Frost Gate Guardian
#122
Well here is my conversation then :

My first ticket start
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I am asking for an examination of my account.
I did just get banned for botting.
I really wonder how that can happen.
I became less and less active in playing the game, just the last couple of days i came back a little bit more because of all the updates in kryta.
I never play pvp so i dont need to bot there.
And i dont even farm that often, i am not rich and happy with what i have.
Updated it since i forgot some info
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Just to give some extra information.
I only was using texmod that i downloaded by using the link on the wiki page.
Their responce
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Hello,

Your Guild Wars account has been closed for botting and/or the use of a third-party program. We want you to know that we take great care when analyzing accounts prior to termination.
For additional information on the User Agreement and Rules of Conduct, please visit the links below:

http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php
http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...-agreement.php

Regards,
GM Ethan
The Guild Wars Support Team
Me again
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Sorry to say that was not what i asked, please escalate my problem.

I have never botted in guild wars, i only used texmod for my exploration title.
I dont do raptor farms, i dont pvp so i really wouldnt see any need to bot at all.

Reading on guildwarsguru learned me that texmod is allowed and i shouldnt have been banned for that.
Them again
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Hello Eric,

Due to the third-party program violations committed by this account, it will remain closed. We will not accept appeals in cases such as this because of the depth of the analysis prior to the block.

Please keep in mind that Guild Wars is a global game with hundreds of thousands of players. This means that standards of behavior must be upheld and we will take all necessary actions to protect the Guild Wars community and to assure that players are abiding by our User Agreement and Rules of Conduct.

Regards,
GM Merrick
The Guild Wars Support Team
Me again
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Like i said texmod is allowed, that is the 3rd party application i am using.

I will ask Gaile to look into this too, i never botted or will bot in the future.
Them
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Hello Eric,

Thank you for contacting the Guild Wars Support Team.

I am escalating your ticket to our Guild Wars senior staff members to assist you further. Once they have reviewed your question, one of them will contact you as soon as possible.

Regards,
GM Erick
The Guild Wars Support Team
Them
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Hello,

I understand that you have concerns about the termination of your Guild Wars account. I would like to provide you with additional information that may be of assistance as you review your individual situation:

The accounts that were terminated on May 26th used a disallowed third-party program at some time in the past. That doesn’t mean the program was used within the last few days or even within the last few weeks, because the scope of our bot detection efforts extended over a long period of time. So any of the 3,700 accounts that were closed may have used a forbidden third-party program this week, last week, or even a few months ago. Some people may have installed and uninstalled a forbidden program a while ago, thinking it would not be detected. Obviously that wasn’t the case. Others may share a computer and not realize that someone else added a bot program to their system. And still others may not realize that the program that they were told was “harmless” or even “approved by ArenaNet” is actually a cheat program.

Some players have said they believe that their account was terminated because they used certain third-party programs such as TexMod or Guild Wars Multi-Client. We do not action the accounts of people who use these programs because in their original form they do not give players an inherent gameplay advantage. That has been true in the past; that remains true today. But the accounts that were terminated were not using such programs. Either the players involved were knowingly using cheat programs, or they were using what they thought were benign programs that had been altered, turning them from acceptable to unacceptable.

Please keep in mind that ArenaNet and NCsoft do not “approve” third-party programs. We know that we cannot ensure the integrity of programs that we did not create. So while we do not take action on the users of programs that are known to not give a player any gameplay advantages, establishing the integrity of any third-party program falls to the individual user.

I hope that this additional information is helpful to you. Please note that this is the final communication we will be giving in response to this appeal. Subsequent communication about this matter will be closed without response.

Take care,

Lead GM Oghma
The Guild Wars Support Team
me
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Then please let me explain and ask you to review my account.

I dont play pvp like you can see on my account, i might have played that a few times in the past, but never enough for me to ever need to bot or use a third party application there.

I dont do stuff like raptor farming and i have been looking into bot after i got banned.
The bots i found where interupt bots, raptor farming bots.
I use a monk as main profession so interupt bot doesnt seem usefull at all.
My Elementalist and Warrior have never been in Ratasum, so the raptor farming bot would be of no use.

Now please tell me what i did wrong, this is the second time i am banned.
The first time i was banned because i got hacked by a gold seller. (Well that was what you people told me and you guys resolved it for me)

Now i am banned for a third party application i know nothing about.

Like you said i shouldnt have been banned for texmod.

Now please tell me why i am banned, i have not been playing guild wars much lately and was just returning because of the kryta updates that where done.

I am playing this game for 4 years now and i would really dislike to miss my titles and other stuff i managed to get.
My account might hold less then 20K in gold and 1 ecto or less.

So please help me.
After that no responses yet.
But i did mail Gaile about it and she actually responded
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Van: Gaile Gray [mailto:[email protected]] Namens Support Liaison
Verzonden: zaterdag 29 mei 2010 7:35
Aan: Emunator
Onderwerp: RE: Banned [Incident: 100527-001169]

Hello Eric,

I am sorry, but I do not have the resources to review these situations. I cannot say what cause the account to be blocked, but I suspect that the third-party program that you downloaded contained elements that were outside the original benign components. (It doesn’t matter what link you followed, links are redirected all the time, and code is changed from benign to bad with unfortunate frequency.) As the team mentioned that is why there is a risk with the use of any third-party program, and removing or addressing those risks it is not something that we can do.

I have asked for another view of the situation, but I must tell you that after the several careful reviews, I don’t know that my request will cause any change in the final outcome.

Thank you for understanding.

Sincerely yours,

Gaile Gray
Support Liaison
ArenaNet
So now all i can do is just wait again.
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Femmefatal
Academy Page
#123
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but guildies did, and they had not botted.
How do you know they had not botted? Were you standing over each an everyone of thems shoulder while they played 24/7? Gotta love these generalized statements of innocense and I know they didn't bot because they are my Guildies and they told me so. lmao

First rule of life:Everybody lies no if's and's or but's about it. So, don't believe everything you hear or even everything you say.
Iuris
Iuris
Forge Runner
#124
Actually, no. Anet has made clear they won't give out evidence of violations to those banned, so your request has long been denied. Your account is gone. Unless Gaile prevails, and even then, it's just a possiblity of a review. And reviews rarely find mistakes.
Emunator
Emunator
Frost Gate Guardian
#125
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Originally Posted by Iuris View Post
Actually, no. Anet has made clear they won't give out evidence of violations to those banned, so your request has long been denied. Your account is gone. Unless Gaile prevails, and even then, it's just a possiblity of a review. And reviews rarely find mistakes.
Not true, i actually got unbanned before for something that wasnt my mistake.
I just trust them that they will actually review this and not send any more copy/paste mails.
Kashrlyyk
Kashrlyyk
Jungle Guide
#126
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Originally Posted by Nerel View Post
I was permabanned ages ago, I was caught up in a bot sweep and banned as a botter...

Fortunately for me, I had never used a bot... I contacted support, told them that they were mistaken as I had NEVER used a bot or anything of the type... they said they'd go over the server logs and check it out for me. I was unbanned by the polite and helpful support staff in no time.

I have first hand experience that they DO care about innocent people mistakenly caught up in these bot sweeps.
NO, you have proof that BACK THEN at least ONE member of the support team cared about innocent people. But NOW that may be different and reading that last automated response I very much doubt you would have gotten your account back NOWADAYS!
Gill Halendt
Gill Halendt
Desert Nomad
#127
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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk View Post
NO, you have proof that BACK THEN at least ONE member of the support team cared about innocent people. But NOW that may be different and reading that last automated response I very much doubt you would have gotten your account back NOWADAYS!
I was involved in the mass-ban for payment fraud last year. It took ONE WHOLE WEEK to get my account back, because so many people were contacting support at the same time.

Patience is the key. Then again, it took AGES to dish out these bans, I seriously doubt they couldn't gather enough data to support their actions.
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HellScreamS
Krytan Explorer
#128
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Originally Posted by Kumu Honua View Post
You sent in a request saying "My account was banned, but I didn't bot at all! Can you check to see if it was a mistake?" or something similar, and they sent you the canned response that you botted and they have evidence?

If that is true, then Regina has some splaining to do as well as some support ass to be kicking.



sent this 3 times already, walltexted em with explanations and inquiries, and I got the same things. Then I sent em a test mail on some other email, regarding totally different things, I still got the same automated replies.
KiyaKoreena
KiyaKoreena
Desert Nomad
#129
@ Emunator. After a few communications you bring up that your account had been banned before for being hacked by a gold seller but you got your account returned. The records probably show bot activity on the account because the gold seller probably used a bot while they had access. IMHO, THAT activity is what has been detected and why your account was nailed. Maybe stress that instead of saying you never used anything but the tolerated programs?
Lolwut1337
Lolwut1337
Ascalonian Squire
#130
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Originally Posted by KiyaKoreena View Post
@ Emunator. After a few communications you bring up that your account had been banned before for being hacked by a gold seller but you got your account returned. The records probably show bot activity on the account because the gold seller probably used a bot while they had access. IMHO, THAT activity is what has been detected and why your account was nailed. Maybe stress that instead of saying you never used anything but the tolerated programs?
OMG YES , WTF YES, YES , YES, YES ! I'm 10000000% sure that's my case too. I was wondering what could've happened , because I've only used TexMod like twice , and my account has also been hacked and after that - restored by A-net. I keep the conversations, I'm 100000000000% sure that's it, can't be nothing else.
Motoko
Motoko
Desert Nomad
#131
That is quite a possiblity considering ANet had their security issue with Master Accounts and game accounts. Sadly that would be there fault and all responses indicate that they do not give a damn.
Sir Cusfreak
Sir Cusfreak
Krytan Explorer
#132
To the people complaining about the autoresponse: lemme ask you in all seriousness. OTHER THAN "here's your account back"
what would you have Support tell you?
They are telling you *nicely* to F*c* Off. That's better than telling you rudely and plainly. They could say things like "go away now." and say it in those simple terms.
They could say "we're Busy now" but that isnt helping anyone and when they get un-busy the answer is the same, so why prolong the ineveitable? why make you wait to hear the cold hard fact? it aint gonna happen, so lets just say so.
Motoko
Motoko
Desert Nomad
#133
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Originally Posted by Sir Cusfreak View Post
To the people complaining about the autoresponse: lemme ask you in all seriousness. OTHER THAN "here's your account back"
what would you have Support tell you?
They are telling you *nicely* to F*c* Off. That's better than telling you rudely and plainly. They could say things like "go away now." and say it in those simple terms.
They could say "we're Busy now" but that isnt helping anyone and when they get un-busy the answer is the same, so why prolong the ineveitable? why make you wait to hear the cold hard fact? it aint gonna happen, so lets just say so.
You are making the sad mistake of assuming every single person was correctly banned.

This is where your post went wrong.
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maxxfury
Wilds Pathfinder
#134
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Originally Posted by Emunator View Post
snip.

So now all i can do is just wait again.
if your 100% sure didnt use anything but texmod?....

Sounds like the person who hacked your the "gold seller" was using a bot to spam the gold sales with? maybe getting them to look into the times and ip's the bot was used? and if it coincides when the gold selling was been done on your account?

*im using good faith that your not lying here btw! dont be offended
Lanier
Lanier
Desert Nomad
#135
IF what you are saying is true Emunator... than that really sucks for you. With over 3700 accounts banned, I would definitely think there were a few that were wrongfully banned, and it is sad that support isnt willing to go to the effort of finding out if any accounts were wrongfully banned. I personally have used Texmod in the past to change graphics of my interface and skillbar, and I definitely feel for those of you who got banned for no other reason than for using a third party program that has been deemed legal. All I can say is to stay persistent and keep trying. Eventually, I am sure that support will look back over the facts and try to figure out who was wrongfully banned.
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Move Down
Ascalonian Squire
#136
No your wrong support doesnt care they banned some innocent people.
They rather stick there head in the sand and hope it goes away.
Unbanning the people that got unrightfully banned will only proof how they suck.
And they cant detect the bots that good
mlandry
mlandry
Krytan Explorer
#137
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Originally Posted by Lolwut1337 View Post
OMG YES , WTF YES, YES , YES, YES ! I'm 10000000% sure that's my case too. I was wondering what could've happened , because I've only used TexMod like twice , and my account has also been hacked and after that - restored by A-net. I keep the conversations, I'm 100000000000% sure that's it, can't be nothing else.
I haven't been banned but my account was stolen by gold sellers in the past so I really hope that doesn't happen to me either.
amaretto creme
amaretto creme
Ascalonian Squire
#138
@ Emunator

I wonder if it was because of the gold seller that your account had been seen as using a bot? Might wanna see if that could possibly be a reason.
Tullzinski
Tullzinski
Jungle Guide
#139
Bah, botters do not even deserve a canned response from ANET, I hope they stop wasting time and money on responding to botters.

Perhaps if people would not have put themselves in this position in the first place they would not have to email support. Imagine that!

All this talk about about "ANET had to make some mistakes in banning people is the same crap I have all heard since Diablo. Get it out of your system and then move on, just do everyone a favor and do not move on to GW2.

Looking forward to more bans!!!!
Iuris
Iuris
Forge Runner
#140
Well, criminals is a bit too much. They're cheaters. More like red cards in football, really.

@Zarion: I may find the sanction a bit severe, but you sure had it coming. If you persist in bothering support, they are well within their rights to ignore you completely.