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Gli

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30 May 2010 at 17:35 - 81

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Originally Posted by Ashius

The integrity of the game was in jeopardy for months up until now, yet A-Net waited until now to deal with it? They didn't ban to maintain the game's integrity, if they did they would have stopped the problem in December last year. They banned for publicity, and it seems to have worked.

We have no idea what went on inside ANet. They may have acted late and imperfectly, but the notion that they shouldn't do anything if what they can do isn't perfect, doesn't hold water.

cebalrai

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30 May 2010 at 17:35 - 82

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Originally Posted by Jinkies

I don't really get Anet's motives behind banning everybody.

Because they habitually cheated to gain an illegal advantage over other players? Because they knew it was illegal and willfully broke the rules time and time again?

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Originally Posted by Jinkies

A simple fix preventing .dll injection months ago would have prevented any PvP or PvE title bots, it would have prevented alot of players from getting banned and it would have taken alot less time to implement.

None of this changes the fact that the cheaters should be held responsible for their actions, does it?

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Originally Posted by Jinkies

If Anet had even gone as far as to post in a login announcment saying that they will be more vigilant about traking botters how many people do you think would have stopped botting and would still be here right now?

Again, the cheaters should be held responsible for their actions. You're blaming Anet for the cheaters' behavior, which is pathetic and irrational on your part.

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Originally Posted by Jinkies

Whenever a certain exploit becomes well known Anet has always (eventually) gotten around to fixing it, and on very few occasions were bans ever given.

I know lots of people who have been banned for cheating. And yes, some of them got off easy with a suspension. None of this changes the fact that botters should be banned.

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Originally Posted by Jinkies

How is botting any different? How many of you bashing all the people who got banned right now also participated in the Duncan exploit, or RR, or run speed books? Heck if stealing rare minis and thousands of ectos only earns you a two week ban (and often you get to keep the stolen goods after) how can one argue that botting your Asura title and earning 200k along the way is merit for a perma ban?

Neither myself nor anyone I know of participated in those exploits.

And those that steal rare minis, thousands of ectos, etc deserve bans as well IMO. If they got off easy then they were lucky.

None of this changes that botters should be held responsible for their actions and banned.

-Sonata-

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30 May 2010 at 17:38 - 83

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Originally Posted by Ashius

Good to find another intelligent individual here. But I have to disagree, it was obvious that the bots in their current form were to become an epidemic, yet A-Net chose to wait before taking action. And it had been going on for a huge period, long enough to cause some to quit. It just seems that A-Net are using this as a quick-fix PR scheme before GW2.

This was an arguement used during the DoA ban. The arguement pretty much said, "Anet waited so long to do something so it was obvious people were going to exploit it". That's nothing more than an excuse.

There are two choices that Anet has in front of them when dealing with a severe botting, or exploit issue.

The first choice is act right away, with little knowledge, or information, and start slamming the ban hammer blindly. The positive is the issue is acted upon quickly before it gets way out of control. The negative is, without studying the issue clearly and gaining evidence against detected offenders, the blind ban hammer strikes without accuracy. It is the "Instant Gratification" method that you often see in F2P games.

The second choice involves waiting. In many ways it's a sting. The problem is identified and the time is taken to identify who is abusing, who isn't, and how it can be solved to the best of what your resources can provide. The positives are action has been taken and collateral damage is minimal. The negative is during that time the problem can become larger, as you made clear.

Regardless of which path the game maker chooses, then or now, both with their good and bad sides, it still does not negate that the offending players have known from the birth of Guild Wars that the actions they were participating in weren't allowed. Period.

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Originally Posted by dancing gnome

They even said they were deliberately avoiding commenting on the issue. This seems like the opposite of what they should have been doing.

So you wanted Anet to give yet another warning, which as I've said, how many do people need? Even after 5 years of knowing what the stance is on botting, you needed another warning? If 5 years of warning players resulted in this epidemic, what good were the warnings?

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Originally Posted by Kiky

What can the high-end players do if a public bot is being overused in which game the admins don't do anything and let the problem be widespread?

The real answer is, "What we, the high-end players can do is, Don't add to the problem".

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Originally Posted by Jinkies

A simple fix preventing .dll injection months ago would have prevented any PvP or PvE title bots, it would have prevented alot of players from getting banned and it would have taken alot less time to implement.

Out of curiousity, have you shared, in detail, what this simple fix is, including all the steps involved in making it happen? I hope you're not keeping the vaccine formula a secret...

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Originally Posted by Jinkies

If Anet had even gone as far as to post in a login announcment saying that they will be more vigilant about traking botters how many people do you think would have stopped botting and would still be here right now?

We've been there, done that. To repeat a few lines above, we've had 5 years of warnings about the use of 3rd party applications (bots). If, after 5 years, we had this severe wave of botting, what good were the 5 years of warnings?

Jinkies

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30 May 2010 at 17:39 - 84

Reposting this from a seperate thread.

I bet in 3 months Regina will make another thread here. She will say that the support team has been developing a top secret method of detecting exploiters. All those that did the Duncan exploit, the Speed Booking exploit and any others that I forgot about will be perma banned. Since exploiting is against the EULA all these speed bookers are using an exploit to their advantage.

There will be QQ threads and everybody who didn't do it or know how to do it will post here flaming those who got banned. Saying all those who did the Duncan and Speed Book exploit were gold sellers who ruined the economy by inflating the amount of armor remnants on the market. Saying they cheated their rep titles and deserved their bans.

A giant Grenth will come out of the ground and kill those who did speedbooking and RR (which was clear match manipulation and totally ban worthy) Anet will make a huge announcment saying 4k more exploiters were banned and taking advantage of exploits is not allowed. All the people who did the Duncan exploit one time to try it out will be banned. No exceptions. Everyone who played HB normally but faced an RR'er will be falsely banned and told to contact support only to recieve a bulk of automated messages telling them their ban was highly investigated and the decision final. The people on Guru will flame those who got falsely banned and accuse them of lying.

It's just a matter of time guys. ¯\(º_o)/¯

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This was an arguement used during the DoA ban. The arguement pretty much said, "Anet waited so long to do something so it was obvious people were going to exploit it". That's nothing more than an excuse.

The difference between the DoA ban and the botting ban was that Anet acted much quicker in comparison to the botting incident. In doing so they ended up with far fewer accounts that needed to be banned. Not only this, but they fixed the problem so nobody could ever do it again.

Ashius

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30 May 2010 at 17:40 - 85

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Originally Posted by Gli

We have no idea what went on inside ANet. They may have acted late and imperfectly, but the notion that they shouldn't do anything if what they can do isn't perfect, doesn't hold water.

That isn't what my stance is at all, my stance is that action should have been taken before it came to this. It would have involved maybe 20 permabans at the most, and would have completely stopped the problem. But that wouldn't earn them the positive PR that this has. Since they had so long to prepare this, it could have been executed more smoothly, involving case by case analysis of accounts involved and punishment given out due to severity of offence.

Mithie

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30 May 2010 at 17:41 - 86

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Originally Posted by Ashius

Let me modify this to reality:

1. People were botting.
2. Anet is made aware of this.
~6 months pass, problem becomes an epidemic
4. Anet bans the botters.
5. Anet hires technical staff to detect these bots.

It could have been stopped immediately after 2.

Now you're trying to second guess anet's working process. Fact of the matter is that neither you nor I know the exact circumstances. It could be that botting was far more pervaisive than we know. It could be that anet's lacked the resources to tackle this issue. It could be that their management prioritized other issues. We simply don't know.

But we do know the results. Yesterday's mat had no botters. That's the result we can see.

cebalrai

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30 May 2010 at 17:42 - 87

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Originally Posted by Ashius

Let me modify this to reality:

1. People were botting.
2. Anet is made aware of this.
~6 months pass, problem becomes an epidemic~
4. Anet bans the botters.
5. Anet hires technical staff to detect these bots.

It could have been stopped immediately after 2.

You apparently have no clue what reality is.

Reality is that people had a choice as to whether #1 would happen. If people decided to make #1 happen, they made a willful decision to violate the rules which are clear as day.

You can cry all you want about how Anet should have hired anti-bot staff sooner and I agree. But the speed of their hiring doesn't change the nature of the crime one bit.

Gill Halendt

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30 May 2010 at 17:43 - 88

Preventing injection is pretty much impossible, I'm afraid.

Kiky

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30 May 2010 at 17:47 - 89

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Originally Posted by -Sonata-

The real answer is, "What we, the high-end players can do is, Don't add to the problem".

We've been there, done that. To repeat a few lines above, we've had 5 years of warnings about the use of 3rd party applications (bots). If, after 5 years, we had this severe wave of botting, what good were the 5 years of warnings?

We dont add to the problem if we want to learn to play against bots effectively after getting pissed of the 6 months mass botting. We are actually doing something against it.
Btw botting has never even been this widespread in GW, idk if u are playing for 5 yrs but i do and i know it

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Preventing injection is pretty much impossible, I'm afraid.

Yes it is impossible BUT detecting it and letting the community know that they care before the problem is so srs is not impossible and thats what we all wanted and should have been done...

Brett Kuntz

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30 May 2010 at 17:50 - 90

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Originally Posted by Jinkies

Anet was able to ban most people using injected dlls (aka GWCA) due to a packet file in the GW dat that checks for injection.

For this reason it is logical to conclude that there were more than a small handful of those who were falsely banned due to the injection based nature of Anet's conclusion. It's quite reasonable to assume that some 3rd party apps such as KSmod or Texmod produced a false positive based on injection, which to Anet meant they must be botting.

Anet's main detection of bots relied on their ability to utilize a .dll injection finder.

Anet has not stopped the botting problem, they have only stopped those who used dll injection (which mainly served for complicated bot scripts that were more for title bots, and interupt bots and soforth - not farm botting)

As would a simple error in programming allow people to inject .dll files into the GW client. (aka botting)

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Originally Posted by Jinkies

After doing some investigative work I noticed a pattern that could not be mere coincidence. On nearly every account, those who ran bot that did not require the use of .dll injection remain unbanned. Those who used injected .dlls obviously were. After closer examination of the GW.dat I found a particular packet that upon closer inspection brought me to the conclusion that Anet's super secret method of detection relied on checking if a .dll was injected or not.

I would just like to point out that almost everything Jinkies has claimed in this thread is a lie. He or she is lying just to get people riled up over nothing. There is no "packet" in the GW.DAT file, he/she didn't find anything, it's all lies.

Close this thread as it's clearly a cheater crying:

cebalrai

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30 May 2010 at 17:50 - 91

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Originally Posted by Ashius

Well the sheer fact that they could play a game for 5 years, which is known for having a somewhat juvenile community, and refrain from obtaining any black marks. I have played for about that long, and over that time I've gathered numerous black marks due to abusive language ingame, etc. If you are going to play the morality game, then surely I should be banned too, as myself spamming racial slurs to someone is obviously worse than injecting a bot once. I actually had an effect on someone. The punishment should meet the crime.

Of course it should. Which is why bans are appropriate for botters.

A suspension would just accomplish two things:

1) The botters would spend their time off scheming of better, less detectable methods of botting.

2) The botters would get to keep their illegally-earned fortunes, rank, titles, items, etc, thus legitimizing them.

Therefore, nothing but a widespread ban was even feasible.

Ashius

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30 May 2010 at 17:50 - 92

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

You apparently have no clue what reality is.

Reality is that people had a choice as to whether #1 would happen. If people decided to make #1 happen, they made a willful decision to violate the rules which are clear as day.

You can cry all you want about how Anet should have hired anti-bot staff sooner and I agree. But the speed of their hiring doesn't change the nature of the crime one bit.

The reality is that I had to put up with these obvious botters for 6 months, no matter how many times I reported them, with action only coming now in the form of a publicised mass banning. That reeks of PR scheme.

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

Of course it should. Which is why bans are appropriate for botters.

A suspension would just accomplish two things:

1) The botters would spend their time off scheming of better, less detectable methods of botting.

2) The botters would get to keep their illegally-earned fortunes, rank, titles, items, etc, thus legitimizing them.

Therefore, nothing but a widespread ban was even feasible.

But I'm not talking about the mass exploiters, I'm talking about those who tried it once in the Isle of the Nameless. A suspension would easily scare them off.

Kiky

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30 May 2010 at 17:53 - 93

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

Of course it should. Which is why bans are appropriate for botters.

A suspension would just accomplish two things:

1) The botters would spend their time off scheming of better, less detectable methods of botting.

2) The botters would get to keep their illegally-earned fortunes, rank, titles, items, etc, thus legitimizing them.

Therefore, nothing but a widespread ban was even feasible.

And do u actually think that people with r12 c4 earned all their pvp title in that 6 months period of time with bots, what u are saying is bs I'm sorry but this is the truth.

JoeKnowMo

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30 May 2010 at 17:54 - 94

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Originally Posted by Brett Kuntz

I would just like to point out that almost everything Jinkies has claimed in this thread is a lie. He or she is lying just to get people riled up over nothing. There is no "packet" in the GW.DAT file, he/she didn't find anything, it's all lies.

Close this thread as it's clearly a butt-hurt cheater crying

Agreed. This thread has a personal agenda behind it and shouldn't have gone on as long as it has.

cebalrai

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30 May 2010 at 18:00 - 95

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Originally Posted by Ashius

But I'm not talking about the mass exploiters, I'm talking about those who tried it once in the Isle of the Nameless. A suspension would easily scare them off.

Anet likely can't determine who botted only in the Isle of the Nameless.

That's the risk that Isle botters decided to take, no? They had no business botting anywhere and knew they'd be risking dire consequences.

And seriously, these people which you speak of are surely a tiny percentage of botters. Barely worth talking about.

Jinkies

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30 May 2010 at 18:01 - 96

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Originally Posted by Brett Kuntz

I would just like to point out that almost everything Jinkies has claimed in this thread is a lie. He or she is lying just to get people riled up over nothing. There is no "packet" in the GW.DAT file, he/she didn't find anything, it's all lies.

Close this thread as it's clearly a butt-hurt cheater crying:

Unfortunatly it is all true. I don't know who you think you are to say that it's all lies but I would have no reason to lie about something anyone who had knowledge about the GW file could find themselves.

People who set up bot accounts within a week or so of the mass ban were not banned, as were people who only botted prior to mid Fburary/early March. From this, piecing together the puzzle was a simple task, and one I did with multiple people who were familiar with botting.

You may not wish to believe it, but you have no right to tell lies.

StormX

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30 May 2010 at 18:01 - 97

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Originally Posted by Kiky

And do u actually think that people with r12 c4 earned all their pvp title in that 6 months period of time with bots, what u are saying is bs I'm sorry but this is the truth.

Synching codex and having one team auto resign AKA match manipulation.

cebalrai

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30 May 2010 at 18:04 - 98

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Originally Posted by Kiky

they should have been banned way before when it would have touched only 100 ppl.
We are not crying about bans but about that a player who didnt overused the bot gets same punishment as one who made money out of it and bought a tv, computer and still has money in bank.
Anet should actually investigate and not inject=ban if they let the problem so widespread.

You don't seem to understand that the "I only botted a little bit" excuse is a poor rationalization for cheating.

If people didn't want to get caught and punished they should have simply not cheated in the first place. You know as well as I do that Anet doesn't have the resources to do a full investigation into each and every account that botted.

Stop acting like such a stinking victim.

Kiky

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30 May 2010 at 18:06 - 99

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Originally Posted by StormX

Synching codex and having one team auto resign AKA match manipulation.

Yes it is but still it doesnt worth perma ban, codex is like a lowest end of pvp we can consider it pve. (I didn't synch codex)
Also synchers can be understood since there is absolutely no enemy in codex and they want a joke title just for fun.

Trub

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30 May 2010 at 18:07 - 100

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Unfortunatly it is all true. I don't know who you think you are to say that it's all lies but I would have no reason to lie about something anyone who had knowledge about the GW file could find themselves.

Highlighted for easier reading.

Playing the game normally, doesn't require ANYONE to have a knowledge of it's existence.
It's NCsoft's baby...not mine.

Again, NO messing with protected(TM) softwarez!

But, apperantly your already banned...so you being so 'public' about your knowledge of the GW.dat file isn't going to get you banned again.

cebalrai

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30 May 2010 at 18:07 - 101

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Originally Posted by Jinkies

Unfortunatly it is all true. I don't know who you think you are to say that it's all lies but I would have no reason to lie about something anyone who had knowledge about the GW file could find themselves.

You may not wish to believe it, but you have no right to tell lies.

How about showing some evidence?

StormX

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30 May 2010 at 18:08 - 102

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Originally Posted by Jinkies

Sorry but if you have no idea what you're talking about please refrain from posting. You cannot resign in codex and earn hero rank from it, or champ rank for that matter.

My bad, i thought C4 referred to codex 4. Which can be farmed by resigning.

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Originally Posted by Kiky

Yes it is but still it doesnt worth perma ban, codex is like a lowest end of pvp we can consider it pve. (I didn't synch codex)
Also synchers can be understood since there is absolutely no enemy in codex and they want a joke title just for fun.

nice try, tell that to anet. i'm not familiar with the exact details but i'm sure some kind of autoclicker or macro is involved, making it a bannable offence.

Ashius

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30 May 2010 at 18:08 - 103

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

Anet likely can't determine who botted only in the Isle of the Nameless.

That's the risk that Isle botters decided to take, no? They had no business botting anywhere and knew they'd be risking dire consequences.

And seriously, these people which you speak of are surely a tiny percentage of botters. Barely worth talking about.

But they still make up a percentage. And that is potentially comprised of players who have legitimately played the game for years, and suffer due to a generalised respose by A-Net. And A-Net have the resourses to determine where you click your mouse, so they should be able to determine what outpost you're in.

Kiky

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30 May 2010 at 18:13 - 104

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

You don't seem to understand that the "I only botted a little bit" excuse is a poor rationalization for cheating.

If people didn't want to get caught and punished they should have simply not cheated in the first place. You know as well as I do that Anet doesn't have the resources to do a full investigation into each and every account that botted.

Stop acting like such a stinking victim.

Okay so here it is, maybe this issue didn't affect u in the troll tusk farming but imagine:
Few weeks ago we couldn't play gvg/ha or any pvp format because botting was so widespread so u have two choices first is quit gw if u dont quit then u actually enjoy the game and want to play it so the second option left which is trying the bot urself and check the following things: try the bot with mesmer with different bot options on, try it with ranger with different options on so u can see at what time the bot interrupts therefore u can fake+waste an interrupt of the bot also if u realize it's a bot after the second rupt u can play against it more effectively.
But unfortunately the tester got the same punishment as the massive gold cape botter(wont mention names).

cebalrai

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30 May 2010 at 18:13 - 105

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Originally Posted by Ashius

But they still make up a percentage. And that is potentially comprised of players who have legitimately played the game for years, and suffer due to a generalised respose by A-Net. And A-Net have the resourses to determine where you click your mouse, so they should be able to determine what outpost you're in.

They don't suffer because of a generalized response by Anet. They suffer because of their decision to bot.

Stop blaming Anet for people deciding to engage in botting.

Ashius

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30 May 2010 at 18:17 - 106

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

They don't suffer because of a generalized response by Anet. They suffer because of their decision to bot.

Stop blaming Anet for people deciding to engage in botting.

No, I'm blaming A-Net for the way they handled the varying levels of offence. When you actually look at the situation, the RMT botter got it better than the one-time IotN botter.

@Tullzinski - Nice troll. *claps*

Trub

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30 May 2010 at 18:19 - 107

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But unfortunately the tester got the same punishment as the massive gold cape botter(wont mention names).

And, you have to ask yourself....WHY would he take this risk upon himself...and not ASK ANet to 'test' *cough* this bot...for the good of PvP kind?
WHY didn't his guildies try to talk him out of this?
Do you see where I'm going with all this??
Personal responsibility.
ANet ain't my mother...They don't HAVE TO tell me to keep my hands off the burner all the time, to prevent being banned, erm....burnt.

I'm sorry..the 'test-a-bot' excuse is painfully lame.

Jinkies

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30 May 2010 at 18:21 - 108

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

How about showing some evidence?

I've pretty much thoroughly explained my rationality in my first post. Posting a lot of code from the GW files would do nothing considering it is obvious you lack the knowledge to understand it.

If you would like to explain how I am a liar, and provide your explanation for why people who used injection based bots from early March to mid May were banned, and other who used non injection based bots, or who set up bot accounts within the last 1-1.5 weeks, or used bots only prior to March were not banned be my guest

I have no reason to lie, your argument, for the sake of argument does nothing to advance the original purpose of this thread which if I may reiterate was to discuss RMT botters and exploiters.

If you care to know, Anet also has packet detection from the server side. You see as you play GW your client side emites packets which are sent to the server side, this is normal and helps the game function. When you bot your client sends over more packets then normal and sets off alarms on the server side.

Depending on the script you run, you may or may not send large quantities of packets to the server side. With the PacketFaker script as an example, it sends reverse packets to the client side only which trick your client into thinking you are recieving packets from the server side. This allows a bunch of possibilites, such as spamming r15 hero emotes, and r12 zaishen.

For the majority of bots, the packets go relatively unnoticed by Anet (or so we thought) because the actual number being sent to the server side was not much different from what it would normally be. (unless you did somthing weird like send a zillion packets to the server side to auto make your char lvl 20 or somthing)

Kiky

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30 May 2010 at 18:24 - 109

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trub

And, you have to ask yourself....WHY would he take this risk upon himself...and not ASK ANet to 'test' *cough* this bot...for the good of PvP kind?
WHY didn't his guildies try to talk him out of this?
Do you see where I'm going with all this??
Personal responsibility.
ANet ain't my mother...They don't HAVE TO tell me to keep my hands off the burner all the time, to prevent being banned, erm....burnt.

I'm sorry..the 'test-a-bot' excuse is painfully lame.

Maybe lame but still the truth, also i dont find it lame if u actually want to play the game and after 6 months massive bots being in pvp sad but have to accept that bots have become the part of the game.
Can u imagine how pissed off we did get when we got owned by the Xth group of botters after a 15 mins match in HA? Or how hard it was to realize if he bot or not? The best we could do is test the bot so play against them by the rule of "u can't bullshit a bullshitter"

Xiao Erh

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30 May 2010 at 18:25 - 110

There are so many thread starters relating to the recent ban of those who were caught cheating or exploiting the game. Seriously, all banned players should take issue directly to Anet because no one in this forum can do anything about it but only feed the banned trolls. This particular thread itself hints of vindictiveness against others who may have escape the first wave of the tsunami.

To those who were never tempted and to those who might have been tempted to cheat, congratulations and happy gaming. To those who were banned and those that may be banned on the next round, we are sorry but you had been warned and know the consequences. You guys were laughing at us before I bet, so take your medicine for you know you deserved it. I for one have better things to do in GW than to read the QQ's and those with an axe to grind against ANet for being banned.

Jinkies

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30 May 2010 at 18:30 - 111

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

You may or may not be a liar. But you're refusing (or more likely unable) to present any kind of evidence for your claims.

Until you do, you're easily dismissed as just another random cryer.

Simply saying I have not provided any evidence does not mean I have not done so. At this point I don't know what is left to prove. What exactly are you not understanding? The fact that only people who botted between xxx-xxx were banned? The fact that only those who used injection based apps were banned? The fact that your GW client gives out packets?

Kiky

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30 May 2010 at 18:32 - 112

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

You may or may not be a liar. But you're refusing (or more likely unable) to present any kind of evidence for your claims.

Until you do, you're easily dismissed as just another random cryer.

Well he is not a liar, only the people who used injection type bot got banned AND only those who used bot before 2-1.5 weeks before the ban so this uber leet ultimate inspection by anet was nothing just for marketing.
I saw many pvp interrupt botters running free online with their main account they simply didn't bot for 2 weeks = got away with it.

Trub

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30 May 2010 at 18:35 - 113

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Maybe lame but still the truth, also i dont find it lame if u actually want to play the game and after 6 months massive bots being in pvp sad but have to accept that bots have become the part of the game.
Can u imagine how pissed off we did get when we got owned by the Xth group of botters after a 15 mins match in HA? Or how hard it was to realize if he bot or not? The best we could do is test the bot so play against them by the rule of "u can't bullshit a bullshitter"

And that is where the mistake was made.
It isn't your call to make....to 'mold' the game around what you want...how "everyone else" is playing.
You saw the problem with bots..did you report them immediatly?
Did you send screen shots, ect. to back your findings?
Of course ANet can't react as quickly as they would have liked to the ruptbots...there were so many.
ANet isn't full of super heroes...it takes time to gather the needed info to act on these things.
Most people...leave until the problem is fixed....or playing with those that DON'T have to bot...(alliances and such)

HA is a blast...and I'm loving it even more after 05/29/10!

Kiky

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Join Date: May 2010

30 May 2010 at 18:47 - 114

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Originally Posted by Trub

And that is where the mistake was made.
It isn't your call to make....to 'mold' the game around what you want...how "everyone else" is playing.
You saw the problem with bots..did you report them immediatly?
Did you send screen shots, ect. to back your findings?
Of course ANet can't react as quickly as they would have liked to the ruptbots...there were so many.
ANet isn't full of super heroes...it takes time to gather the needed info to act on these things.
Most people...leave until the problem is fixed....or playing with those that DON'T have to bot...(alliances and such)

HA is a blast...and I'm loving it even more after 05/29/10!

Okay seems like u didnt read my posts carefully enought to see I didn't ruptbot in HA nor in GVG.
Also i reported those with rupt bot EVERY SINGLE TIME for 4 months and still absolutely nothing happened to them.
Why should i send screenshot about an interrupt? Do u actually know what u are talking about or what interrupt is? No i didn't send screenshots and i find it useless to send any of them.
Anet isn't full of super heroes but i think an anti bot action could have been done before (and im saying this again) it was so widespread.
NOTE: I'm crying because no actions has been taken for 6 months about bot so 90% of the players wouldn't even have the chance for botting = more player could be playing the game and also more player whould have had more fun.

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

Silly post. Banning 3700+ botting accounts accomplished quite a bit.

In your goofy little world, if there are still a few running around that haven't been caught yet, the whole endeavor is a failure?

Huh?

It's not a failure because some botters are still running free, it's a failure because they could have done it faster with less bans or judge a bit more fair: guy whos getting rl money from farming ectos and some1 to test the bot gets same punishment now that's why this is a failure.

Trub

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30 May 2010 at 19:16 - 115

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Originally Posted by sixdartbart

See stage 2

LAWL.
I petition Tullzinski to post the 'flow chart of teh denial' on every "I gotz the permabanzord" thread.

This post will prolly be mod-whiped...but here, I'll throw in something...on topic...

ANet has always had a strong stance against botting in any form.
Some countries have found economic 'niches' in gold selling...ergo they hire peasants to work in 'gold farming' mills.
ANet discovers many, many, many bots daily.
ANet bans said bots daily.
Gold farming 'industries' are bad assed- they continue to buy up low cost accounts, and or just steal them outright from their...erm...customers that make purchases on line.
ANet will continue the daily battle against gold sellers, but just as every other on line game out there..it's who has the most resources to give towards this battle.
ANet has show us (as of 05/29/10)- they have modified their resources, and staff to meet this challenge.
It's looking pretty good to me so far..

Of course they can't ban EVERY SINGLE gold farmer...pffftt..all on line gaming companies dream that dream...but at least they are stepping up on the enforcement/punishment!!
I applaud ANet for their efforts with the PvP/PvE farm bots..I have seen the difference so far.
(And like I stated earlier..it ain't over till the fat lady sings....)

cormac ap dunn

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30 May 2010 at 19:48 - 116

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Originally Posted by Kiky

Which crap? The crap that the botters got away who werent playing 2 weeks before ban or those who didnt inject dll?
Or the crap that is going on for 5 yrs about the gold selling, that the price of ecto on some sites is not even slightly changing after the incredible flashy bans? And the fact that many many accounts have been stolen/hack and used for gold farming?

My guess is that you keep up with these sites for "research purposes" right? Come on man. The ax fell, your neck was firmly in place. No matter what you say on this site no one here is going to change the ban. A petition should fall on deaf ears, as only the guilty and trolls would sign it.

To use any excuse period is foolish, a friend did it? you are responsible for your computer. I didn't know what it did? then you shouldn't have touched it. I was just trying it once? once or a million times you used something you know could make this happen. The list goes on and on.

The only people i have seen on these forums fighting to get their accounts back have all admitted some degree of guilt. Facts are, guilty is guilty, the innocent will be fine, hence they aren't on public forums crying about a ban, they are waiting on support and they know they will be fine

Danny Used Frenzy

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Iowa City, IA

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30 May 2010 at 21:22 - 117

As a botter who was banned, anyone who botted and was banned and is now complaining is someone I'd rather not associate with. We knew the risks and consequences, and it was fun while it lasted.
Now it's time to move on, restock our account stockpiles with the ectos on the accounts that ANet somehow missed, and relax.

That said, in the days since the banscythe, ANet hasn't shown any increased ability to detect non-injected bots, namely interface-based bots.

Danny Used Frenzy

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Iowa City, IA

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30 May 2010 at 21:30 - 118

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Originally Posted by Trub

Yet.

Tuesday isn't here yet....yet....yet(TM)

Unless ANet begins checking for outside processes, the only other possibility for catching interface-based bots is repetitive actions, but any good scripter understands that value of Random() and generated imperfection.

To quote one of the best scripters I've had the pleasure of talking to: "Writing bots is about the challenge." The more challenges ANet gives the community, the more chances we have to hone our skills.

Trub

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30 May 2010 at 21:32 - 119

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Originally Posted by Danny Used Frenzy

Unless ANet begins checking for outside processes, the only other possibility for catching interface-based bots is repetitive actions, but any good scripter understands that value of Random() and generated imperfection.

To quote one of the best scripters I've had the pleasure of talking to: "Writing bots is about the challenge." The more challenges ANet gives the community, the more chances we have to hone our skills.

I wasn't privy to sit in on the new staff's interviews when they were hired...*shrug*
But, that is WHY they were hired..(plural)

Ka Tet

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30 May 2010 at 22:42 - 120

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Originally Posted by Trub

I wasn't privy to sit in on the new staff's interviews when they were hired...*shrug*
But, that is WHY they were hired..(plural)

I wasn't there, I have no way of knowing what happened, but this is exactly what happened.
Sorry to use your quote, but these threads are running rampant with people making assurances and statements of fact that they are entirely unqualified to make.