GW Gear Stat Ranges by Req. (formerly "Low Req Weapons - Stats and Gallery!")

Red Fireball

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2010

HSBC

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07 Jan 2012 at 21:31 - 401
- pretty high req/low dmg - dropped may 2008

LicensedLuny

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07 Jan 2012 at 22:50 - 402
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Fireball View Post
Thanks for that! I'll include it in the next update. It dropped post-NF, right? I'm not sure it's even worth bothering trying to figure out pre-NF min. stats and if they were different.



Quote:
that bow is 13-22 (in pic) - 13-25 is by far too much
Good catch, thank you! I think I fixed it now, both in OP and update notes.

Red Fireball

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2010

HSBC

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12 Jan 2012 at 18:05 - 403
ok, finally got to put last two weeks drops into one image. I guess finding the real lowest ends of DMG is rly hard. Furthermore I´d say that there is no evidence that inherent and inscribable sources dropped different ranges for certain req. therefore my suggestion would be to merge them together which would make the OP by far smaller. About gold drops: I´m sure every weapon can drop down to q4 in max DMG for q4. I have only seen one q3 gold weapon though - firefighter´s daggers. Purple can drop in no requirement, have seen down to 10-14 Hammer, 7-9 sword (means all base stats 1 below highest for q0).

okies that´s it so far. screens: I marked inherent source items green, inscribable source items red, just in case u want to stick to ins/inh seperation. (just imo on the one hand our research has led us to this conclusion and on the other hand yawgmoth also came to this conclusion which means it is just like that Link )



This staff is inherent source as well. And it damn high req...

LicensedLuny

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12 Jan 2012 at 21:56 - 404
Thanks for the feedback and the new data!

I'm inclined to agree now, too - between Yawg's claims and what we've seen from folks' own reports here, there really does not seem to be a difference between inscribable and inherent loot when it comes to the ranges of stuff GW can produce today. Years ago, I seem to recall a working theory that it was only inscribable shields and swords which could still drop max in r8. That theory was the main reason I pushed to keep the split in the OP table - there's nothing like raw data to prove or disprove theories.


Does anyone object to or disagree with taking the inscribable/inherent source area split out of the OP? If so, please do explain the reason(s) you're for keeping them both tracked!

Robdalf

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2010

AKA

Mo/R

13 Jan 2012 at 23:41 - 405
Hope this is better than my last attempt at making the list.
Realized I have a low damage inscribable r8 axe.



Hope this is correct.

Firefighter Fred

Firefighter Fred

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2008

Lord of purple

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14 Jan 2012 at 19:18 - 406
OK! So I went and looked through the mountains of junk that I have and came up with a few things. Firstly, I'm pretty sure everything in the following picture beats what you currently have listed, or in some cases there is nothing at all and I felt there should be a place holder. Some of this stuff I do not believe is the lowest possible, nor do I think a couple of them are even close. Even so, always can use a good starting point right? Do read the picture, left to right by rows and move down; it should be alphabetical by weapon type (except for focus' which I named offhands) Also, I think a couple of these may overlap with the stuff Red Fireball posted a couple posts prior to this one, but oh well (Like literally the same weapon because I traded him for them )



Click the button for some rambling and...lets call it theory crafting



EDIT: I think the split for non-insc and insc stuff should no longer be split. I think it only matters for pre-NF stuff, and tracking that will be next to impossible I think

spun ducky

spun ducky

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

WTB: q8 bows

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15 Jan 2012 at 13:16 - 407
A guildmate just got this from a sensali on noob island I think this is now the lowest dmg on a q9 hammer if the first page is up to date.

LicensedLuny

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16 Jan 2012 at 06:28 - 408
Thanks for all the contributions!

If you're not certain that an item you're posting dropped after NF's release, please be clear about that with your reply!

When posting examples of minimum stat stuff, please post either inscribable items (or items with skins we know drop only in NF and/or EotN) or things you are certain dropped after NF's release. I'm not particularly inclined to track the low side of the preNF range. I don't even know if it was any different than today's range.

When posting examples of skins that exist in gold, please post only items you are positive (or it is obvious) are post-NF drops. If you're posting something that could have dropped before NF's release (either you're not sure when it dropped, or you're positive it's older than NF) please make that obvious. My intent with the gold tracking is to see if there's a lower limit now on what reqs can drop in gold-text. We've seen r0 inscribable purple and blue things, so I think it's safe to assume there is no limit on what reqs can drop in those colors.


Here are some recent example shots I took. I will update the OP soon, hopefully.

Low-stat items for the req.:


Modern gold-drop items:

EDIT - Thanks to i dealer i for showing me the following and agreeing to let me use the picture. It's a gold r8 Spear (inscribable and post NF, of course.)




EDIT - Jan. 23, 2012 - Some from my recent screenshot folder (before I work on updating OP)

Bright Star Shine

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16 Jan 2012 at 11:17 - 409
I had a pair of q12 7-16 Jade Daggers drop for me uninscribably yesterday, I didn't know you updated the thread though, so you'll have to take my word for it. I found it peculiar, so I remembered.

Robdalf

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2010

AKA

Mo/R

17 Jan 2012 at 04:43 - 410
These all dropped for me in Divinity Coast yesterday. Terrible stats for the req.






I'm assuming you are still collecting stats for whites, based on some of your prior screenshots. If that's not the case then please ignore.

LicensedLuny

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23 Jan 2012 at 03:28 - 411
List updated up to and including post 399, page 20, Jan. 7, 2012.
List updated up to and including post 410, page 21, Jan. 23, 2012.

Major Changes
  • Removed the split between inherent and inscribable source loot for modern drops. (The contents of the OP before removing that split are in the spoiler button at the end of this post, in case anyone wants or needs them.)

  • For cases where we had the same record in both inherent and inscribable versions, the remaining record on the OP should be whichever one was posted first.

  • Some of Firefighter Fred's examples of minimum stated items from this post (earlier on this page) were not recorded on the OP because there's no indication from him nor way to tell for sure if the item dropped before or after NF's release. As I mentioned before, I do not think it's worth the effort to even try tracking what the worst/lowest stats were before NF.

  • Feedback, questions and suggestions are still welcome! Whoever owns the OP gets final say, yes, but I do consider this a community project. If the community agrees on a way the OP could be better, I will most certainly do my best to make it so!


New records from replies posted since the last update
(Compiled by hand because Guru's compare post version feature was not working. There may be errors or omissions.)*******************

The contents of the OP before this update when we stopped tracking both inherent and inscribable source records is in this button.

LicensedLuny

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25 Jan 2012 at 23:17 - 412
Some drops from the adventures of Jan. 25, 2012 ...

Mins -
r4 Bow: 9-13
r5 Daggers: 4-8
r0 Daggers: 2-4
r4 Wand: 7-11

EDIT - Jan. 26's drops worth picturing.

We "know" there's a hard cap of 17% HSR on white and blue staffs and a hard cap of 20% HSR on purple and gold staffs for max-statted staffs. I'm wondering if there's a difference between the HSR possible on white/blue vs. purple/gold staffs at the low end of the range and at lower reqs, too, so I'm trying to keep examples of best and worst from both categories.

Mins -
r7 Sword: 11-15
r7 Axe: 5-14
r5 Axe: 5-11
r10 Bow: 12-22
r9 Bow: 11-19
r5 Bow: 10-15
r7 Daggers: 5-10
r4 Daggers: 5-10
gold r4 Daggers, assigned drop
r2 Daggers: 4-8
r5 Shield: 9ar
r11 Staff, purple: 16/9/11-21
r11 Staff, white: 17/10/10-19
r5 Staff, blue: 12/6/6-10
r0 Staff, purple: 13/5/6-9
r0 Staff, purple: 12/6/7-10
r10 Wand: 9-16
r7 Wand: 8-13
r2 Wand: 7-11
r4 Focus: 6en
r3 Focus: 7en (Yeah, clearly the one right above it means this can't be the min. for r3. But I figure maybe people are more likely to post to break an existing record than they are to enter an unclaimed record. So there - break my record!)

Maxes -
r5 staff, white: 15/8/10-16
r4 staff, white: 14/7/9-15
r0 staff, blue: 12/6/7-10

Lhoj

Lhoj

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

27 Jan 2012 at 19:18 - 413
Hi there Luny!

First of all, thank you for your initiative. Many of us are interested in these kind of things, so keep up the good work.

As a contribution, here are some min values for some weapons. Probably not the lowest possible, but we must start at some point :P

Oh, btw, I find taking screens of items on the groud unconfortable, so those are taken from inventory, but all of them have been taken today (guess it's pretty obvious I haven't been keeping unidentified grapes for years )



Here are the differences with the current results so you can decide if they're worth adding.

White piercing axe Q7 -> New min damage 5-13
Purple granite hammer Q5 -> New min dmg 9-14
Blue banded spear Q4 -> New min dmg 8-12 (cannot be the lowest considering the min damage in Q5 but meh)
Purple wooden buckler Q10 -> New min AR 14
Purple inscribed staff Q10 -> New min dmg 10-18
Gold inscribed staff Q11 -> New min energy 9e (Already in your prev. post)
Purple water staff Q10 -> New min HSR 15%
Purple holy branch Q5 -> New min energy 5e
Gold earth wand Q10 -> New min dmg 10-19 Beaten on your prev. post
White holy rod Q3 -> New min dmg 7-10
Purple inscribed chackram Q9-> New min energy 10e



From second img:
Flatbow Q6 -> New min dmg 8-13
Truncheon Q8 -> New min dmg 9-15
Shortsword Q7 -> New min dmg 10-13
Longbow Q8 -> New min dmg 10-16
Divine symbol Q6 -> New min energy 7e
Jeweled chackram Q7 -> New min energy 7e



And a couple more:
Copperleaf shiel Q7 -> New min AR 10
Dead bow Q5 -> New min dmg 8-12
Rusty Machete Q9 -> New min dmg 11-15
Butterfly sword Q5 -> New min dmg 7-9

I will try to add more soon

ED: Fixed some, added some more

Bright Star Shine

Bright Star Shine

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29 Jan 2012 at 15:20 - 414
14-28 q13 gold bow, dropped for me today from chestrunning vermin

LicensedLuny

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29 Jan 2012 at 23:36 - 415
Regarding Staffs:

We know (well, Yawg said it, so that's about as close to certainty when it comes to GW loot that I know of short of screenshots of everything that ever dropped) that white and blue staffs have a cap of 17% HSR for "max staffs" while the 20% HSR shows up only on purple and gold staffs.

I'm curious if that same difference-by-color HSR limit applies to the minimums and to lower req. gear, too. For example,
  • Is the max HSR for a req. 5 staff the same for white and blue as it is for purple and gold?
  • Is the min HSR for a req. 11 staff the same for white and blue as for purple and gold?
So I'm trying to watch for that and find the different limits or examples of the same limit, whichever is the case. I wasn't watching for that before, so if possible I'll try to go back through older replies and see if we have some records or proofs already.

If you're also curious about that please do feel free to keep an eye out and post shots, too!
(As always, even if you're not positive you've got a new record, go ahead and post it. At worst, it doesn't get added to the OP. By not posting it, at worst, we all miss out on finding an actual new record/limit. That second "worst" is way worse imo. )

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Originally Posted by Lhoj View Post
Hi there Luny!

First of all, thank you for your initiative. Many of us are interested in these kind of things, so keep up the good work.

As a contribution, here are some min values for some weapons. Probably not the lowest possible, but we must start at some point :P

Oh, btw, I find taking screens of items on the groud unconfortable, so those are taken from inventory, but all of them have been taken today (guess it's pretty obvious I haven't been keeping unidentified grapes for years )
Thanks for the attaboy and even more thanks for the contributions! And I agree - we have to start somewhere, so keep 'em coming!

Unless we're talking about something really groundbreaking I'm not particularly worried that people who bother to read and contribute to this thread would make stuff up. For cases like, "I'm certain this blue wand was from the loot from my recent vanquish, but I didn't notice it until I was at the merchant going through my loot," I have no issue taking folks at their word! So the way you're doing it is fine - as long as you're certain it's recent (and you express such in your post) and it doesn't appear to break any pattern visible from other contributions, we're all good.

I would love to get proof that something really unexpected and rare still drops, love it! But for such really unexpected cases, I hope it's understandable that most of the folks here, myself included, will be doubtful unless it comes with an incredibly convincing screenshot at the very least. That picture of max r8 inscribable daggers Dimm found us on wartower ... I wasn't active when he posted that here, but I had the same reaction a lot of folks who posted then did, too; "I'll believe that when we see it in a trade window."

To this day, I still run into players who swear max r8 or even max r7 versions of every item can still drop. My reaction is always the same. " If that's true, whoot! I think that would entice so many folks to come back and play if they believed it, too! I don't have access to the game's source code or a view of every item that ever drops for every player, so I'm not going to confirm or deny such a claim. I'm just going to gather screenshots. Here's a link to the thread. PLEASE show us all screenshots when you get these things drop! Pretty please?" They've all responded to me either that they didn't get the drop themselves, they can't be bothered, they don't want to crash the low req weapon market prices, or not responded at all. I don't always doubt the guy's sincerity, but I always wind up doubting his accuracy. Sorry.



Some shots from yesterday's adventures:

r11 Staff, white: 17/10/10-20 already beaten by a lower-statted purple r10 15/9/10-19 Staff from Lhoj's post above. (didn't notice it until after I put the picture together, sorry.)

r6 Staff, blue: 15/8/9-15 - in case 15HSR is the highest white/blue for r6 Staff so far

r9 Wand: 9-15 - maybe new min for r9 wand

Lhoj

Lhoj

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

30 Jan 2012 at 17:01 - 416
Yep, I find it hard to believe q7-8 max weapons still drop, not saying they don't, but it's strange there are no screens yet.

Anyway, here are some more screens. Some of the golds were identified by a guildmate before I noticed they weren't reported yet.

Concerning that, I think we should automaticaly change all the items q7 or so and up to "Drops in gold", as I think all of we know a r12/13 scythe can drop in gold even if we haven't taken any screen yet. That's common knowledge.



Have no time to check if they've been reported since last update (maybe I reported something similar myself xD) so here's the list, hope they're useful.

Q7 Bow (white): 10-15
Q3 Hammer (purple): 10-15
Q12 Sword (purple) 14-21
Q10 Staff (gold): 17/9/9-17
Q11 wand: Drops in gold
Q8 Shield: Drops in gold
Q8 Staff (purple): 17/8/9-15
Q10 bow (Gold): 12-22
Q10 staff (purple): 16/8/9-16
Q10 shield: Drops in gold
Q13 axe: Drops in gold
Q12 Staff: Drops in gold

LicensedLuny

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02 Feb 2012 at 08:49 - 417
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lhoj View Post
Concerning that, I think we should automaticaly change all the items q7 or so and up to "Drops in gold", as I think all of we know a r12/13 scythe can drop in gold even if we haven't taken any screen yet. That's common knowledge.
I agree that it's common knowledge that r12, for example, clearly still drops in gold - yeah, no doubt.

The problem is we're not quite sure where the limit is (or if there even is a limit.) I think/hope that over time, it will be easy enough to get pictures for most of the "common knowledge" stuff that still drops. That's when the patterns of what reqs are pretty rare (and maybe impossible) to still find dropping in gold show up. That's what I'm hoping for in the end.

Fred's earlier proposal about tracking stat ranges by color in addition to req. level is intriguing, but I can't think of a way to shape that into a list or table on the OP without it becoming too complicated a list to reference when playing. I figure the OP needs to be easy to read as you go around fighting or merching/salving the loot from your recent adventure; otherwise people aren't likely to bother.

Keeping an example "proof" for each item and req in gold isn't hurting anyone other than the OP steward (currently me) with a few more lines to edit with each update, right? Is there something I'm missing? (And I'll admit it did cross my mind that it might inspire more people who lurk this thread to come post some pictures for us. Sneaky, manipulative of me? Maybe so ... but with the best intentions!)

Quote:
Have no time to check if they've been reported since last update (maybe I reported something similar myself xD) so here's the list, hope they're useful.
Don't sweat it. I usually refer to the OP and not more recent replies when putting together my own reports. When updating OP, every submission gets checked anyway, so it's not a big deal to find some that aren't records.

Bright Star Shine

Bright Star Shine

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02 Feb 2012 at 11:55 - 418
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lhoj View Post
Yep, I find it hard to believe q7-8 max weapons still drop, not saying they don't, but it's strange there are no screens yet.
They do, but mainly whites and blues. Gold q8 max weapons are pretty rare. I've had 1 inscribable blue q8 max dmg sword from DoA almost 2 years ago now. And I've seen a lot of q8 white max dmg swords drop, also like 3 or 4 other blues that were all not inscribable -.- pissed me off every time I id'ed them...

q7 max simply doesn't drop anymore.

Gondrakif

Gondrakif

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06 Feb 2012 at 18:20 - 419
q11 sword 13-18

epervier

epervier

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Jersey

Oath of Fire [Oath]

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06 Feb 2012 at 22:56 - 420
I'm not sure anyone else beat this shield for high req/low armor, but i have a Ar 14 Req 10 Strength shield (gold and Inscribable).

LicensedLuny

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07 Feb 2012 at 04:18 - 421
Took lots of pictures the past several days, mostly while doing CNY quests on all my characters (or running characters from alt accounts to LA.) I've been opening the chests for lucky/unlucky points as well as new entries. When possible from the screenshot, I tried to include info on what dropped the stuff in case anyone cares.



r6 Sword 8-10
r2 Sword 7-10

r7 Axe 6-14
r6 Axe 5-11
r3 Axe 5-12
r1 Axe 5-11

r7 Hammer 12-18
r4 Hammer 15-24
r1 Hammer 11-15

r5 Bow 9-13
r4 Bow 9-13
r3 Bow 9-14

r6 Daggers 5-10
r5 Daggers 4-7
r4 Daggers 4-8
r0 Daggers 1-3 (both in blue and in white)

r5 Spear 7-10
r3 Spear 9-15

r5 Scythe 7-15

r7 Shield 10ar
r6 Shield 9ar
r3 Shield 8ar

r9 blue staff 15/9/10-17
r6 purple staff 12/6/8-12
r6 white staff 12/6/7-11
r5 purple staff 15/7/8-13
r4 purple staff 12/6/8-12
r4 white staff 12/6/7-11
r3 white staff 13/7/8-14
r3 white staff 13/6/8-13
r0 purple staffs:
- 11/6/6-9
- 12/5/5-8
r0 blue staff 12/5/7-10
r0 white staff 12/5/7-11
r0 blue staff 10/3/4-6

r7 wand 8-13
r4 wand 7-10
r3 wand 7-11

r6 focus 9en, and drops in gold
r4 focus 7en


I will try to go through replies and get the OP updated appropriately in the next couple days.


EDIT - Feb. 10 - Additions from the past two days' adventures.



r13 gold axe dropped

r7 hammer 13-21

r10 gold shield dropped
r3 10ar shield

r11 staff, white, 17/10/10-19
r10 staff, white 17/10/11-22 (max for white/blue?)
r10 staff, purple 17/9/11-20
r8 staff, white 14/8/8-14

r11 gold wand dropped
r8 wand 9-14

fallenangel

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Join Date: Sep 2008

07 Feb 2012 at 12:49 - 422
(Reporting here after discussing with Luny ingame. )

Just got a blue Bo Staff with HSR 18% about 30 mins ago. We were both under the impression that the HSR for white and blue staffs was capped at 17%.

Luny thought it might be worth pointing out (for science, of course) that the drop happened shortly after completion of server maintenance on Feb. 7. *cue X-Files music*

If anyone *coughYawgcough* is interested in having a look at the staff, it is now in Luny's care. (Note to Luny: it's on the moon!)





Edit:
Additional info, in case it matters: staff was dropped by a Sickened Guard at Minister Cho's Estate - a level 23 foe in Hard Mode.

Yawgmoth

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07 Feb 2012 at 19:02 - 423
:O :O :O
That staff changes a lot, maybe even completely break the theory on how hard stat caps work in this game (may be relevant in finally explaining why things like 7-xx axes or 10-xx scythes drop for example).

Keep it, it may be one of a kind. If it's still unidentified DON'T identify it!
Please check and post the merchant value of it while still unidentified (value after identification is practically irrelevant)

BIG thanks for all the additional info - that it has just dropped today (could the update change anything? seems very very improbable but ...) and it is very important that the drop was from a level 23 foe - I have already observed some minor anomalies in drops from level 23 but haven't put enough time to research them completely.

LicensedLuny

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07 Feb 2012 at 20:52 - 424
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth View Post
:O :O :O
That staff changes a lot, maybe even completely break the theory on how hard stat caps work in this game (may be relevant in finally explaining why things like 7-xx axes or 10-xx scythes drop for example).

Keep it, it may be one of a kind. If it's still unidentified DON'T identify it!
Please check and post the merchant value of it while still unidentified (value after identification is practically irrelevant)

BIG thanks for all the additional info - that it has just dropped today (could the update change anything? seems very very improbable but ...) and it is very important that the drop was from a level 23 foe - I have already observed some minor anomalies in drops from level 23 but haven't put enough time to research them completely.
I did ID it after taking my own screenshots of it in the trade window unidentified. I'm sorry - I should've thought to check the merch value before ID, but it didn't even occur to me. Here are my "before and after" shots of that staff, which as fallen mentioned, he left in my keeping.



He deserves +1 internet point for the effort he put into documenting this. I nagged him into that effort, claiming more info is better than less info if you're about to disprove one of Yawg's loot theories!

It was Nov. 2010 when I posted the question on this thread asking if max 20/10/11-22 staffs dropped in all colors and Yawg replied, explaining about the 17hsr cap for white and blue staffs. I've had mention of that in the OP here since then, and I keep a lookout for new records when I get loot. I can't say for sure that I never saw a white or blue loot-drop staff with over 17HSR before Nov. 2010. I'm confident saying I never saw one drop after, though. Clearly, they can drop now, but it's either something new or something extremely rare ... otherwise, I think we'd have seen or heard about one before now. I'm not the only one who watches the records on this thread and keeps an eye out for new limits.

Red Fireball

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12 Feb 2012 at 00:31 - 425
I´ve done some research and talked to other collectors ingame, and well... Firefighter Fred had gold q3 daggers. I found this screen in this post on this thread. Thus I´m halfway convinced to q3 still dropping in gold (I´d expect them to drop from lvl 11-14 mobs, as lvl 10 won´t drop gold and lvl 15 won´t drop q3).
Well, I´m not sure if daggers were recent drop, still it is a clue... let´s keep looking for those and possibly someone wants to have some fun farming mobs lvl 11-14 and bring screens .

The Mountain

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12 Feb 2012 at 03:39 - 426
Here's another blue staff with 18% HSR.
I also included a picture at the merchant while it was unidentified.

gw003_crop.jpg

Every other piece of information was the same as fallenangel posted, except of course the date, which was today.

LicensedLuny

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12 Feb 2012 at 06:18 - 427
Last update: post 410, page 21, Jan. 23, 2012.
This update: post 426, page 22, Feb. 12, 2012.

The compare post version feature won't work for the OP anymore. (I broke Guru?) After updating the OP last time, I tried to compile a change log by hand ... that took ages. Considering that the point of the change log was to help check for errors or typos I made, I'm not sure what good a handmade change log will be either.

Major changes:

- I tried to go back through all the posts in this thread from the beginning and enter any existing records for min stat white/blue staffs and "still drops in gold?" confirmations from replies posted before I was trying to keep track of those specifics in the OP.

- fallenangel's (and now The Mountain's) curious new blue staffs with 18HSR are an interesting development. (You disproved one of Yawg's loot theories, guys ... it's making me nervous!) So, let's all keep a close eye on white and blue staffs ... and seems like just about any loot from level 23 foes maybe?


Minor changes:

- updated the lists with any new records posted.



Thanks for all the reports! Keep 'em coming!

Kiki Go Boom

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13 Feb 2012 at 00:23 - 428
Hi, got this bow recently. Q2 8-12

Yawgmoth

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15 Feb 2012 at 02:18 - 429
That 18% staff motivated me to do extensive research and I'm now closer than ever to formulating the ultimate theory on GW drop generation system.

I'm now certain about WHY was it even possible (but I don't want to explain it until I finalize the entire theory, sorry for being cryptic about it). I can only say there's NO hardcoded cap on white/blue staffs' HSR (except obviously the hard cap for all staffs). Yes, this means the generation algoritms could produce even 19% or 20% HSR on a white staff, BUT there may be nothing in the game capable of dropping it.

I can also add that the fact 18% HSR white/blue staves are possible has NO relation to the reasons 7-xx axes or 10-xx scythes. Something completely different is responsible for those and the completed research on staves didn't bring me closer to finally explaining those.

Oh, and I also happened to get this one drop for me today:

nice it also happens to have perfect +10E and 11-22dmg so it's the highest stat white in existence

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15 Feb 2012 at 04:32 - 430
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Oh, and I also happened to get this one drop for me today:
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/7...whitestaff.jpg
nice it also happens to have perfect +10E and 11-22dmg so it's the highest stat white in existence
Unless I identify mine and salv off the mod

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15 Feb 2012 at 08:18 - 431
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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth View Post
... Keep it, it may be one of a kind. ...
Um, may I merch it now?

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth View Post
That 18% staff motivated me to do extensive research and I'm now closer than ever to formulating the ultimate theory on GW drop generation system.

I'm now certain about WHY was it even possible (but I don't want to explain it until I finalize the entire theory, sorry for being cryptic about it). I can only say there's NO hardcoded cap on white/blue staffs' HSR (except obviously the hard cap for all staffs). Yes, this means the generation algoritms could produce even 19% or 20% HSR on a white staff, BUT there may be nothing in the game capable of dropping it.

I can also add that the fact 18% HSR white/blue staves are possible has NO relation to the reasons 7-xx axes or 10-xx scythes. Something completely different is responsible for those and the completed research on staves didn't bring me closer to finally explaining those.
While I'm still a little concerned about this breaking my comfy "Yawg knows all the answers - we'll just ask him!" concept, I can't help but smile at the idea that this has inspired you to come back to GW for more "extensive research." I'm really looking forward to reading the finalized theory!!!

+1 internet points to fallen, Mountain and Yawg for the curious fun!


EDIT - Question to all the folks who care about this thread
Should we start trying to keep track of max and min stats by color, not just by requirement level, too? I'm already sort of doing that for staffs.

I know Fred is interested in that. I think Red might also be. Is there reason to think there may be a difference between, say, the min damage we could see on a gold r11 axe vs. the min we could see on a white r11 axe? Would the added details/length to the OP make it harder to read, less useful to you?

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15 Feb 2012 at 13:05 - 432
I think it's a good idea to put stat ranges by color as well, but the only thing that would stop me from asking for it is because it will be such a big amount of trouble for you to keep up with... Do it if you think you can handle it, if you can't, I'm not asking you to^^

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15 Feb 2012 at 19:53 - 433
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Unless I identify mine and salv off the mod
omg, I must have completely missed your post with your staff, If I'd have seen it I'd have no reason to post mine.

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Um, may I merch it now?
Yes, and I will likely merch mine aswell.
It appears they're not even very rare - I can now roughly estimate that at least 0.5% but no more than 2% of white or blue staves drops from level 22 or 23 mobs will have 18% HSR.
Foes of level 24 and higher almost certainly aren't able to drop them - but in theory there might be an ultra slim chance for them to do so, just like in theory there might be an ultra slim chance for a max req.8 axe drop.

Unfortunately I'm not good at estimating the demand side of the market. There are some rarity collectors who collect things that 99% would insta merch, so I wonder how good would one of the 18% staves have to be to be a worthy collectible.

18/10/11-22 is the best stats we can hope for on a white/blue (unless we find a strange special drop source in the style of the old unlocked chests and barrels of 2005 Prophecies) so what would it need to have?

(1) perf base 18/10/11-22 is enough to be keepworthy ?
(2) or maybe Req.9 only ? (don't hope for req.8, it's not possible)
(3) inherent 7/10 HCT all spells ?
(4) inherent 15% HCT matching req ?

A (1)+(2)+(4) - that is 18/10/11-22 req9 with a matching 15%HCT woukd be super hard to get but is there demand for this kind of item?

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EDIT - Question to all the folks who care about this thread
Should we start trying to keep track of max and min stats by color, not just by requirement level, too? I'm already sort of doing that for staffs.

I know Fred is interested in that. I think Red might also be. Is there reason to think there may be a difference between, say, the min damage we could see on a gold r11 axe vs. the min we could see on a white r11 axe? Would the added details/length to the OP make it harder to read, less useful to you?
Personally I rarely use the list on the main page but I believe more info is better as long as it's not duplicating irrelevant things. Color differences can be interesting but in most cases (almost all except some exceptions) there are no differences in possible stat/req combinations for common/grape/gold drops. Many fields could well be filled without the need for proof, especially what drops in which color. Any weapon class can drop in gold in any req from 5 to 13, guaranteed. I'm almost sure req.4s as well so we just need to find all the req.3 ones basically.

***

A small request to all farmers out there - we need to confirm the lowest level of a foe that can drop gold items.
It's more important than anything when it comes to filling a lot of spots on our table.
Status:
Level 13 -- confirmed by theory (a few golds posted in this had to be dropped from something below lvl 14)
Level 12 ??? -- I think it should but I've never got one
Level 11 -- most likely not.

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16 Feb 2012 at 00:19 - 434
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Req. 11 Axe: (Still drops in gold-text?)

Max Stats: 6-28 (Known limit)
Min Stats: 5-24 (pic from LicensedLuny)
hooked axe
r11
5-23


That appears to be lower by 1




Tyvm luny for the help with my ss issues


Also, is it worth noting that the flute you can buy from the merch in pre is a focus that gives +1 energy?

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16 Feb 2012 at 04:51 - 435
New low R10 sword. Dropped either doing NM WoC quest or Falken Courier.

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16 Feb 2012 at 12:37 - 436
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A small request to all farmers out there - we need to confirm the lowest level of a foe that can drop gold items.
It's more important than anything when it comes to filling a lot of spots on our table.
Status:
Level 13 -- confirmed by theory (a few golds posted in this had to be dropped from something below lvl 14)
Level 12 ??? -- I think it should but I've never got one
Level 11 -- most likely not.
Level 12 can drop golds, I've seen it. Try feather farming Jaya Bluffs in NM. I used to do that like 2 years ago to make some cash and got quite a couple of golden Kamas and Sunqua Blades (low reqs) from lvl12 Sensali. It shouldn't take you more than an hour of farming the pesky birds to get something.

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16 Feb 2012 at 18:40 - 437
If an enemy can drop a purple, can they also drop gold?

The reason I'm asking:

I wanted to test some lvl 11, so I farmed about 100 icy humps in Griffon's Mouth. Not one of those buggers dropped a purple or a gold. I randomly killed one of the bosses (lvl 12) and got a gold. That made me question if a lvl 11 boss might drop a gold. So I headed east into Deld. Bowl and farmed the lvl 11 bosses. So far I have not had a gold, but a purple did drop just now.

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16 Feb 2012 at 21:17 - 438
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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth View Post
A small request to all farmers out there - we need to confirm the lowest level of a foe that can drop gold items.
It's more important than anything when it comes to filling a lot of spots on our table.
Status:
Level 13 -- confirmed by theory (a few golds posted in this had to be dropped from something below lvl 14)
Level 12 ??? -- I think it should but I've never got one
Level 11 -- most likely not.

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I know some of the stuff I track in the OP (past and present) doesn't interest you. Are there specific things you'd like to see tracked/included in the OP that aren't there now? I'm open to format suggestions, especially if it helps further the GW-loot chapter of The Theory of Everything!
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If an enemy can drop a purple, can they also drop gold?

The reason I'm asking:

I wanted to test some lvl 11, so I farmed about 100 icy humps in Griffon's Mouth. Not one of those buggers dropped a purple or a gold. I randomly killed one of the bosses (lvl 12) and got a gold. That made me question if a lvl 11 boss might drop a gold. So I headed east into Deld. Bowl and farmed the lvl 11 bosses. So far I have not had a gold, but a purple did drop just now.
I don't think so. I got an r0 purple spear as recently as last December from something in Istan (I think it was an Istani Chest, not sure though.) From reading/chatting with other folks, it sounds quite plausible that r0 gold loot doesn't drop at all anymore.

PS - You should farm Hardened Humps instead. They're way better! All the cool kids are doing it now.

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16 Feb 2012 at 22:26 - 439
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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine View Post
Level 12 can drop golds, I've seen it. Try feather farming Jaya Bluffs in NM. I used to do that like 2 years ago to make some cash and got quite a couple of golden Kamas and Sunqua Blades (low reqs) from lvl12 Sensali. It shouldn't take you more than an hour of farming the pesky birds to get something.
Before posting this request I actually did 7 runs of those, got 10 purples but 0 golds (except one from a lv14 yeti). Just my luck.

I just got a message from a friendly member of this forum who says he got a gold drop from a level 11. So I guess it's time to focus on them, let's find a location with the most level 11s and begin the holocaust

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Originally Posted by The Mountain View Post
If an enemy can drop a purple, can they also drop gold?

The reason I'm asking:

I wanted to test some lvl 11, so I farmed about 100 icy humps in Griffon's Mouth. Not one of those buggers dropped a purple or a gold. I randomly killed one of the bosses (lvl 12) and got a gold. That made me question if a lvl 11 boss might drop a gold. So I headed east into Deld. Bowl and farmed the lvl 11 bosses. So far I have not had a gold, but a purple did drop just now.
Purples can drop from mobs as low as level 8 (100% confirmed) and possibly level 7 too. Golds certainly need higher
Bosses are known to have better droprates for purple and gold items, and observations over the years definitely confirm this, but I can't say for sure it's not just because a boss drops multiple items where a normal foe drops just one (except a few special exceptions rolled separately).

Anyway, having the boss status certainly won't make a monster able to drop golds (or purples) if a normal monster of the same level cannot.

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16 Feb 2012 at 22:37 - 440
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So I guess it's time to focus on them, let's find a location with the most level 11s and begin the holocaust

Those Ettins in Griffon's Mouth are a solid option, I think. Easy to ball em up and nuke b/c they are melee with no rupting attacks. Also, you can just zone back and forth into the zone from those adjacent and not lose any running time since the whole zone consists of them. Just note that the two bosses are lvl 12s. However, they have significantly higher HP, so no worries about mistaking a boss drop as one from the normal mobs.