Dropped in Jaya Bluffs while I was feather farming.
GW Gear Stat Ranges by Req. (formerly "Low Req Weapons - Stats and Gallery!")
TheGizzy
New addition for daggers.
Dropped in Jaya Bluffs while I was feather farming.
Dropped in Jaya Bluffs while I was feather farming.
superraptors
Yawgmoth
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Originally Posted by superraptors
req8 max dmg holy branch only purple in HM pongmei, not sure if it counts but im definitelysure q8s do drop still
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superraptors
oright always thought it was 21 lol
Showtime
I've been wondering if the r0 spear does 8-12 and is inscribable, shouldn't it be worth the same if not more (depending on skin) as the candy cane spear? Same damage/modable basically.
LicensedLuny
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Originally Posted by Showtime
I've been wondering if the r0 spear does 8-12 and is inscribable, shouldn't it be worth the same if not more (depending on skin) as the candy cane spear? Same damage/modable basically.
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Like a lot of things though, market price does not necessarily track with rarity. I suspect one does have to look a lot longer to find a "max" no req. spear instead of a Wintergreen Spear. But I'd be very surprised if there is anywhere near enough market demand to match the price.
Also, don't forget, neither the r0 loot spears nor the wintergreen spears actually deal their rated damage on non-critical hits until you have 12 in spear mastery. All martial weapons are like that. It's quite easy to see if you have a spare wintergreen or candy cane martial weapon around (if not, use a Club of a Thousand Bears or a Banana Scythe.) Take said weapon out into isle of nameless with 0 in the weapon mastery attribute but enough free points to level it up. Start attacking a 60 Armor target. You don't get the rated damage on non-critical hits. Slowly raise your weapon mastery level, and watch the damage rise. You won't see the listed damage of the r0 weapon occur for non-critical hits until you have 12 in the mastery attribute ... even though you're using a no-req weapon. Note, this doesn't apply to spellcasting weapons, which deal their rated damage as long as you meet the requirement.
And yeah, I know the OP needs updating. Sorry for slacking off, but thank you all for the continued reports!
tommaso
Guess this might interested you. Q8 spear insc is listed as 14-26. Well, i got a non-insc q8 14-26. It is cyan and doesnt have any inherent, but who knows. Dropped in Heart of the Shiverpeaks NM.
Yawgmoth
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Originally Posted by tommaso
Guess this might interested you. Q8 spear insc is listed as 14-26. Well, i got a non-insc q8 14-26. It is cyan and doesnt have any inherent, but who knows. Dropped in Heart of the Shiverpeaks NM.
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Bright Star Shine
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Originally Posted by tommaso
Guess this might interested you. Q8 spear insc is listed as 14-26. Well, i got a non-insc q8 14-26. It is cyan and doesnt have any inherent, but who knows. Dropped in Heart of the Shiverpeaks NM.
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) and as such don't need the separation "uninscr" "inscr".
LicensedLuny
Yawg has said repeatedly that there's no difference in the current drop tables regarding max damage for min req between stuff from inherent areas (Proph, Factions, FoW/UW/Urgoz/Deep except for end-chests) and inscribable areas (Nighfall, EotN.)
I have no reason to doubt him, none at all! I simply kept the insc/inhe split in the first draft of the list I wrote up since ...
a) I'd already written it up that way, and
b) We have this "theory" that there's no difference with a lot of evidence to support it. Why not leave it there and eventually get evidence to support it for every item in every req.?
As for tommaso's spear, thanks for the picture! Since it dropped from Heart of the Shiverpeaks, an area known to produce inscribable gear rather than inherent gear, we still count that as "inscribable source area" for the purposes of this thread. If you look at the pictures folks have posted, I suspect there are other examples of "inscribable" records which happened to drop without an inscription slot, too.
I have no reason to doubt him, none at all! I simply kept the insc/inhe split in the first draft of the list I wrote up since ...
a) I'd already written it up that way, and
b) We have this "theory" that there's no difference with a lot of evidence to support it. Why not leave it there and eventually get evidence to support it for every item in every req.?
As for tommaso's spear, thanks for the picture! Since it dropped from Heart of the Shiverpeaks, an area known to produce inscribable gear rather than inherent gear, we still count that as "inscribable source area" for the purposes of this thread. If you look at the pictures folks have posted, I suspect there are other examples of "inscribable" records which happened to drop without an inscription slot, too.
tommaso
Yeah i got that after the coments and understood the concept. Well, today i got this, already listed as max (seen a white pic of it). Only posting to illustrate with a gold item. Dropped in Bogroot NM.
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Originally Posted by LicensedLuny
Yawg has said repeatedly that there's no difference in the current drop tables regarding max damage for min req between stuff from inherent areas (Proph, Factions, FoW/UW/Urgoz/Deep except for end-chests) and inscribable areas (Nighfall, EotN.)
I have no reason to doubt him, none at all! I simply kept the insc/inhe split in the first draft of the list I wrote up since ... a) I'd already written it up that way, and b) We have this "theory" that there's no difference with a lot of evidence to support it. Why not leave it there and eventually get evidence to support it for every item in every req.? As for tommaso's spear, thanks for the picture! Since it dropped from Heart of the Shiverpeaks, an area known to produce inscribable gear rather than inherent gear, we still count that as "inscribable source area" for the purposes of this thread. If you look at the pictures folks have posted, I suspect there are other examples of "inscribable" records which happened to drop without an inscription slot, too. |
Bright Star Shine
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Originally Posted by LicensedLuny
Yawg has said repeatedly that there's no difference in the current drop tables regarding max damage for min req between stuff from inherent areas (Proph, Factions, FoW/UW/Urgoz/Deep except for end-chests) and inscribable areas (Nighfall, EotN.)
I have no reason to doubt him, none at all! I simply kept the insc/inhe split in the first draft of the list I wrote up since ... a) I'd already written it up that way, and b) We have this "theory" that there's no difference with a lot of evidence to support it. Why not leave it there and eventually get evidence to support it for every item in every req.? As for tommaso's spear, thanks for the picture! Since it dropped from Heart of the Shiverpeaks, an area known to produce inscribable gear rather than inherent gear, we still count that as "inscribable source area" for the purposes of this thread. If you look at the pictures folks have posted, I suspect there are other examples of "inscribable" records which happened to drop without an inscription slot, too. |
LicensedLuny
List updated up to and including post 312, page 16, Jan. 14, 2011.
List updated up to and including post 332, page 17, Feb. 1, 2011.
List updated up to and including post 332, page 17, Feb. 1, 2011.
- Req. 4 Axe:
- Inscribable Sources: 5-14 (pic from Intrinsic)
- Inscribable Sources: 6-16 (pic from eviltjuh)
- Req. 2 Daggers:
- Inherent Sources:
- Inherent Sources: 5-9 (pic from TheGizzy)
- Req. 2 Shield:
- Inherent Sources: 10 ar (claim by Yawgmoth)
- Inherent Sources: 10 ar (pic from Elena Dragonfire)
- Req. 8 Staff:
- Inherent Sources: 19/10/11-21 (pic from Pleikki)
- Inherent Sources: 20/10/11-21 (pic from Pleikki)
- Pre NF: 20/10/11-22 (pic from system.fan)
The update in Oct. 2006 which changed max staffs to have white 20 HSR all spells in the base occurred a few days before NF's release, which seems to be when the minimum req. allowed for max stat gear was changed. So for a few days, the game could and did produce max r8 "postnerf" staffs (with 20HSR all spells) like the one shown.
I added that note above because a couple people have asked me about how could those max r8 "postnerf" staffs exist if everything changed at NF's release. I hope it helps explain. Please let me know if I have that wrong.
Yawgmoth
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Originally Posted by myself
there's no relation between the req+base_stats of any weapon randomly dropped and whether it has: an inscription / an inscription slot / an inherent mod / nothing at all.
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I'm sure there's no difference whether an item is a completely clean white (or any color) or a blue/purple/gold with a mod, or with an inscription slot, or with an inscription, or with an inherent mod. The base stats and req are unrelated to those.
But there have always been misunderstandings and misconceptions about it. EVEN an official Anet representative back in 2005 has answered to a player's question: "Why there are purple/gold weapons with no mods at all? How are they different than whites?" (not an exact quote)
The answer was like: those weapons are of rare quality because they have either higher dmg than normal drops in that area (true, but same applies to purples/golds with mods) and/or they have lower requirements for their stats (this has always been completely false).
Anet has a long history of not knowing how the drops in their game exactly work
And as for the max r8 updated staves, I gave a detailed explanation in this post: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...3&postcount=12
(it was just ~26 hours between 2 separate updates when they were possible and not even rare drops)
Aesir The Warrior
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Originally Posted by LicensedLuny
Neither the r0 loot spears nor the wintergreen spears actually deal their rated damage on non-critical hits until you have 12 in spear mastery. All martial weapons are like that. It's quite easy to see if you have a spare wintergreen or candy cane martial weapon around (if not, use a Club of a Thousand Bears or a Banana Scythe.) Take said weapon out into isle of nameless with 0 in the weapon mastery attribute but enough free points to level it up. Start attacking a 60 Armor target. You don't get the rated damage on non-critical hits. Slowly raise your weapon mastery level, and watch the damage rise. You won't see the listed damage of the r0 weapon occur for non-critical hits until you have 12 in the mastery attribute ... even though you're using a no-req weapon. Note, this doesn't apply to spellcasting weapons, which deal their rated damage as long as you meet the requirement.
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The spellcasting weapons... now that's an interesting note... maybe the armors in the Isle of the Nameless are physical only, and all elemental damage goes through... who knows
Monster
I got this in Istan yesterday. Most likely during the 'Douse Your Enthusiasm' quest.
Not sure if it is of any interest but, meh
Not sure if it is of any interest but, meh
Aesir The Warrior
Found on Mehtani Keys, nm of course
Yawgmoth
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Originally Posted by Aesir The Warrior
I think you are getting the mechanics wrong here... they aren't dealing their rated damage because of the armor damage reduction.... and when you add attribute points, you are essentially offsetting said reduction by increasing the damage... the only way to test for sure would be against an armor 0 character...
The spellcasting weapons... now that's an interesting note... maybe the armors in the Isle of the Nameless are physical only, and all elemental damage goes through... who knows |
The 60 armor dummy is enough for testing almost everything. It's just 60 armor. Not any odd variation of only vs physical or vs martial weapons.
And spellcasting weapons work differently, their damage works like damage from skills - their "strike level" is based on the character's level and is normalized for level 20 characters damaging a 60 armor target (to deal full listed dmg).
tommaso
Hammer q1: found today a req 1 hammer higher than the listed. Dropped in Fort Ranik Mission, NM, from an ascalonian chest. 11-16 dmg. There goes the picture. Send PM if you need more info.
tommaso
well now its time for a req 3 scythe, 9-24 (listed 9-22)
Matrix Arcade
Got a gold r8 staff yesterday -was non-inscribable
dmg 11-21 (I know not max)
18 HSR
+10 energy
bla bla extra mods
Just for the sake that they also come gold (guess ikki already had one but posting anyway) dropped from an elonian chest in the crystal desert btw (lowendchest)
dmg 11-21 (I know not max)
18 HSR
+10 energy
bla bla extra mods
Just for the sake that they also come gold (guess ikki already had one but posting anyway) dropped from an elonian chest in the crystal desert btw (lowendchest)
LicensedLuny
Here's a 14-25 dmg r7 bow from inscribable source areas that just dropped.
EDIT - Feb. 12, 2012 - fixing thumb links to direct instead of photobucket album
EDIT - Feb. 12, 2012 - fixing thumb links to direct instead of photobucket album
tommaso
Spear q4 - not listed. I got a 11-19, which i believe is good, since thats what listed for q5.
Browny
How bout these two?
(Sorry, just got these screens in german, but i put the (possibly wrong) translation next to it.)
http://img248.imageshack.us/i/52781762.png/
http://img707.imageshack.us/i/q72.png/
(Sorry, just got these screens in german, but i put the (possibly wrong) translation next to it.)
http://img248.imageshack.us/i/52781762.png/
http://img707.imageshack.us/i/q72.png/
Red Fireball
got these daggs today:
inherent 5-11 q4
inherent 5-11 q4
The Mountain
r3 sword: 11-14
r4 bow: 12-19
Both from inscribable sources
r4 bow: 12-19
Both from inscribable sources
LicensedLuny
Just doing one of those Hearts of the North quests where you play as Keiran (in NM,) and I got an r7 14-20 dmg sword from a Maguuma Chest.
EDIT - Feb. 12, 2012 - fixing thumb links to direct instead of photobucket album
EDIT - Feb. 12, 2012 - fixing thumb links to direct instead of photobucket album
onerabbit
Hey Luny i got a req6 +11 Idol (blood magic) It dropped today from a group of Outcast =) Could this be proof that Req7 +12 still have a chance to drop?
http://img137.imageshack.us/f/gw043d.jpg/
i got a req6 +11 Idol (blood magic) It dropped today from a group of Outcast =) Could this be proof that Req7 +12 still have a chance to drop?http://img137.imageshack.us/f/gw043d.jpg/
Yawgmoth
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Originally Posted by onerabbit
Hey Luny
i got a req6 +11 Idol (blood magic) It dropped today from a group of Outcast =) Could this be proof that Req7 +12 still have a chance to drop?http://img137.imageshack.us/f/gw043d.jpg/ |
Look, there are just 7 possible base +energy values for focus items and whole 10 steps from req.0 to req.9 for them to be distributed through. It means that in the whole array there have to be 3 steps where a req higher by 1 will still have the same maximum possible +energy value.
Nerel
Pleikki
Awesome gemstone axe nerel! O.o
Aesir The Warrior
R6 14-19 Inscribable
Floodplain of Mahnkelon nm
Floodplain of Mahnkelon nm
Raven Wing
New batch of stuff from various places (location is in the pics as usual)
Raven Wing
More stuff (the last 2 are from Keiran minimissions
ubikuo
hi all
Two drops from Issnur Isles
R0 8-10 insc Briar Blade (sword)
R2 10-15 not insc Banded Spear
ciao
Two drops from Issnur Isles
R0 8-10 insc Briar Blade (sword)
R2 10-15 not insc Banded Spear
ciao
TheGizzy
Had this drop yesterday... I believe it was in Battledepths. I know it was while running to/from or completing A Gate to Far or Heart of the Shiverpeaks.
That's a higher damage output than what you currently have listed for a q5.
That's a higher damage output than what you currently have listed for a q5.
tommaso
confirming yawgs claim on q7 sword, inherent (dragons lair, NM)
ange misericordieux
Dimmuborgir Satan
here a pic of q8 insc daggers i found on german forums:
http://www.wartower.de/forum/showthr...t=dolche+inscr
I asked on NCSOFT support, if q7 is nerfed and if q8 still drops on all weapon types and they said, q7 is totally nerfed and q8 still drops on ALL weapons insc and noninsc.
if u want i can post screens, but theyre all on german =/
http://www.wartower.de/forum/showthr...t=dolche+inscr
I asked on NCSOFT support, if q7 is nerfed and if q8 still drops on all weapon types and they said, q7 is totally nerfed and q8 still drops on ALL weapons insc and noninsc.
if u want i can post screens, but theyre all on german =/