While doing Raisu Palace Zaishen Mission this one warrior kept pissing me off by under extending. Staying behind the backline when the monsters attacked. The reason for this is I told him to drop Defy Pain and Endure pain and bring something better. Now he claims if he fights he will die with his no tanking skills.
I told him "it's my job to keep you alive and no one died even while your picking flowers back there." Here came my inner monk demon. With no heals from me or the UA he dies and stays dead till the final cut scene.
When your healing, the team is in your hands for better or in this case for worse. What times did your inner monk demon come out?
Your Inner Monk Demon
Zodiac Meteor
Ninja Ninja
You are everything I hate in the game.
long live hero monks
long live hero monks
awry
oh boy... i made a build for ra that healed the opponent (heal area), iron mist to protect them and crystal wave to get rid of their conditions. Also used a triple shadow stepping monk to really grief people.
I r the best monk evarr!
I r the best monk evarr!
TalanRoarer
When ERing in Uw and Sander decides to dance about in camps to spike.
Not fun.
Not fun.
jackinthe
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You are everything I hate in the game.
long live hero monks |
on topic, i used to always go to tombs and ping a bar with bip and minions and mending and then lol at all the pugs that couldn't run a b/p
Hyperventilate
I was the sole monk for my "friend" who was going on Legendary Survivor. I asked him to help me finish Prophecies, and he repeatedly reminded me that if I helped him, his survivor was at stake (He reminded me before every fight that if he died, he'd lose his survivor).
It irritated me to the point where I let him die. He wasn't far from LS (Not sure on the points, wasn't like I cared.).
That was when I first realized that as a monk, I was a monster.
I have a tenancy to not heal wammos (Warriors who do their jobs are fine. Wammos who do everything but, are different.). If they over aggro, over or under extend, or if they're generally just doing a terrible job, they get one free courtesy heal. After that... you're on your own. I make this clear, too. After they get their courtesy heal, they know it. They also know they have to find a way to not die -- since I won't be helping.
My name is Patti, and I'm a Monster Monk. No, I am not ashamed.
It irritated me to the point where I let him die. He wasn't far from LS (Not sure on the points, wasn't like I cared.).
That was when I first realized that as a monk, I was a monster.
I have a tenancy to not heal wammos (Warriors who do their jobs are fine. Wammos who do everything but, are different.). If they over aggro, over or under extend, or if they're generally just doing a terrible job, they get one free courtesy heal. After that... you're on your own. I make this clear, too. After they get their courtesy heal, they know it. They also know they have to find a way to not die -- since I won't be helping.
My name is Patti, and I'm a Monster Monk. No, I am not ashamed.
code1101
the way I see it is that you made your team fight with one less guy and handed that guy the reward of completing the mission without any effort on his side.
sounds to me like you punished yourself and your team rather than that warrior lol.
sounds to me like you punished yourself and your team rather than that warrior lol.
byteme!
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Originally Posted by Zodiac Meteor
While doing Raisu Palace Zaishen Mission this one warrior kept pissing me off by under extending. Staying behind the backline when the monsters attacked. The reason for this is I told him to drop Defy Pain and Endure pain and bring something better. Now he claims if he fights he will die with his no tanking skills.
I told him "it's my job to keep you alive and no one died even while your picking flowers back there." Here came my inner monk demon. With no heals from me or the UA he dies and stays dead till the final cut scene. When your healing, the team is in your hands for better or in this case for worse. What times did your inner monk demon come out? |
Ninja Ninja
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Originally Posted by code1101
the way I see it is that you made your team fight with one less guy and handed that guy the reward of completing the mission without any effort on his side.
sounds to me like you punished yourself and your team rather than that warrior lol. |
Age
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You are everything I hate in the game.
long live hero monks |
This is of coarse if you know how to but together a decent build without using pvx wiki.I wonder if you are one of leeroys of the Warriors.
my Innner demon is always with me to bad our skills don't change to demon or heaven after you ascend and effects the functionality of them.
Moonstalker
Heh, I tell people that I won't heal for them doing stupid crap. And I don't.
I personally don't even attempt to heal over-extenders. I let them die, and I'll UA them later. Not worth the struggle to chase them down, then run back to where the other 6 people are.
I personally don't even attempt to heal over-extenders. I let them die, and I'll UA them later. Not worth the struggle to chase them down, then run back to where the other 6 people are.
snowman relic
well coming from a guy whose only ever healed on my rit one if you piss me off screw you you wont be healed and ill be damned if your rezzed. Second overextend/underextend dont expect me to care when you die. third if your going for survivor and your gunna be a whiny bitch in nm as a backliner when your down to 300 health i will not heal you.
just my philosophy take of it what you will
just my philosophy take of it what you will
Lanier
I really dislike human healers who have temper tantrums and refuse to heal b/c someone did something they didn't like.
just my 2 cents...
just my 2 cents...
Ninja Ninja
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Originally Posted by Age
I wouldn't be so hasty as human Monks can still do it better and much faster.We also know how to manage our energy properly than heros you have to do 50% of the work in order to make a hero Monk work almost as good as human.
This is of coarse if you know how to but together a decent build without using pvx wiki.I wonder if you are one of leeroys of the Warriors. my Innner demon is always with me to bad our skills don't change to demon or heaven after you ascend and effects the functionality of them. |
Stone Summit Ranger
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Originally Posted by Zodiac Meteor
While doing Raisu Palace Zaishen Mission this one warrior kept pissing me off by under extending. Staying behind the backline when the monsters attacked. The reason for this is I told him to drop Defy Pain and Endure pain and bring something better. Now he claims if he fights he will die with his no tanking skills.
I told him "it's my job to keep you alive and no one died even while your picking flowers back there." Here came my inner monk demon. With no heals from me or the UA he dies and stays dead till the final cut scene. When your healing, the team is in your hands for better or in this case for worse. What times did your inner monk demon come out? |
kariemindstorm
people that make themselves difficult to keep alive then complain are why i prefer to smite as long as you have decent damage output nobody gets on you
Age
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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja
I use a necro healer hero for all my pve needs and since I have all my titles I don't really need that but let me die in RA then I'll just grab a drink and watch the game. If you sabotage your own team you only hurt yourself.
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Moonstalker
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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja
I use a necro healer hero for all my pve needs and since I have all my titles I don't really need that but let me die in RA then I'll just grab a drink and watch the game. If you sabotage your own team you only hurt yourself.
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Hells Fury
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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja
You are everything I hate in the game.
long live hero monks |
Long live the N/Rt and E/Mo
Ninja Ninja
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Originally Posted by Moonstalker
If you are sabotaging your own team, you obviously aren't hurting yourself. If you have the time, and the ability to not give a crap, like so many people do, then you're just having a blast ruining other people's time.
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Age
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The monks are dead
Long live the N/Rt and E/Mo |
Shadowhaze
Normally I don't have a problem. There are times though when I just have had enough.
-The nuker ele, spirit spam rit, melee healing monk, etc. who thinks they can all run into frontline and take it while us monks burn up our energy on them to keep their butts alive. Heaven help me when there is more than one in the party (and yes that has happened before).
- The over extender...I tell them a few times to beware of doing this as I can't be in two places at once. Die at your own risk.
- People who aggro more than one group constantly. This really annoys me, especialy in HM stuff. Also, when people don't give the puller room to do the pulling and they draw more groups...annoying.
Hmm, getting more into pet peeves now. lol. Anyway...
Like others have said, I don't leave them dead. I'm not gonna give them a free ride. I have left pugs (yes I used to pug most of the time) a few times which I hate doing, but it was just too horrible.
Anyway, there have been a few times I just get fed up with a person and their silly behavior/playing style, which makes things more difficult on the team. Then is when my monk vengeance comes out.
-The nuker ele, spirit spam rit, melee healing monk, etc. who thinks they can all run into frontline and take it while us monks burn up our energy on them to keep their butts alive. Heaven help me when there is more than one in the party (and yes that has happened before).
- The over extender...I tell them a few times to beware of doing this as I can't be in two places at once. Die at your own risk.
- People who aggro more than one group constantly. This really annoys me, especialy in HM stuff. Also, when people don't give the puller room to do the pulling and they draw more groups...annoying.
Hmm, getting more into pet peeves now. lol. Anyway...
Like others have said, I don't leave them dead. I'm not gonna give them a free ride. I have left pugs (yes I used to pug most of the time) a few times which I hate doing, but it was just too horrible.
Anyway, there have been a few times I just get fed up with a person and their silly behavior/playing style, which makes things more difficult on the team. Then is when my monk vengeance comes out.
Ninja Ninja
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Originally Posted by Age
We are still pretty much alive in this game and nothing can heal and protect like we do no N/Rt and E/Mo which should be doing the ressing.E/Mo like to go up and tank the ones I have seen.Necros have better uses like using SS or MM.
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R_Frost
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Originally Posted by Zodiac Meteor
While doing Raisu Palace Zaishen Mission this one warrior kept pissing me off by under extending. Staying behind the backline when the monsters attacked. The reason for this is I told him to drop Defy Pain and Endure pain and bring something better. Now he claims if he fights he will die with his no tanking skills.
I told him "it's my job to keep you alive and no one died even while your picking flowers back there." Here came my inner monk demon. With no heals from me or the UA he dies and stays dead till the final cut scene. When your healing, the team is in your hands for better or in this case for worse. What times did your inner monk demon come out? |
Aba
Accidentally isnt a problem. No one is perfect
But being a idiot and not caring is another, thats when I stop healing you.
But goes both ways......
This has always been in Guildwars.....arrogant healers, thinking there the glue to the group and nothing can be done without them.....
Sure it can be true, but a good group doesnt need amazing healing
But being a idiot and not caring is another, thats when I stop healing you.
But goes both ways......
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Sure it can be true, but a good group doesnt need amazing healing
R_Frost
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The monks are dead
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Grumpy Bear
As a monk I have never, ever pugged in PvE, nor will I ever do...
But in RA this one day I was on a team with a ranger, warrior and ele. First game we were against a team with 3 eles and a war, now as a monk in RA I had no hard prots so it was inevitable that someone was going to die, it just so happened to be the warrior. We ended up winning and the warrior calls me a noob monk, the rest of my team defend me but he is insistant that I'm a noob. Anyway, I ended up giving him no heals/prots for the next 8 matches. He died a few times and QQ'd about it but it made me laugh a lot.
But in RA this one day I was on a team with a ranger, warrior and ele. First game we were against a team with 3 eles and a war, now as a monk in RA I had no hard prots so it was inevitable that someone was going to die, it just so happened to be the warrior. We ended up winning and the warrior calls me a noob monk, the rest of my team defend me but he is insistant that I'm a noob. Anyway, I ended up giving him no heals/prots for the next 8 matches. He died a few times and QQ'd about it but it made me laugh a lot.
Xiaquin
I've been meaning to go back and play my monk with a new build. I mostly played with my guild so it wasn't so bad. The rare times I did take my chances with a pug and I've been lucky.
I usually can pick out the one in the party that will constantly need heals and I would usually just throw Prot Spirit on and keep an eye on him/her. I never had to rage but that's what you get when you don't test your patience.
This thread is why I never want to be the primary healer in a pug, running a (mostly) protection build is a lot less rage-inducing.
I usually can pick out the one in the party that will constantly need heals and I would usually just throw Prot Spirit on and keep an eye on him/her. I never had to rage but that's what you get when you don't test your patience.
This thread is why I never want to be the primary healer in a pug, running a (mostly) protection build is a lot less rage-inducing.
Age
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sabway > human monks
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MArcSinus
Decided plenty of times, as an ER, not to heal some crazy sins in UW Physway.
Those 12 year old narutards have some serious issues.. Ah well, I guess that's what you can expect from most of the pugs there I guess..
Those 12 year old narutards have some serious issues.. Ah well, I guess that's what you can expect from most of the pugs there I guess..
Pony Slaystation
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oh boy... i made a build for ra that healed the opponent (heal area), iron mist to protect them
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Fellfoot
Yeah, my main is a war, but I spend more time with my monk now. It wasn't until I started a monk character that I began to realize and learn how to be a better war. Now that I've played both sides of the fence (so to speak) I understand things a lot better. My inner monk meanness doesn't come out really unless someone repeatedly ignores suggestions that I make to them on how they can help me help keep them alive. If they don't listen, I'll just let them die and tell them to watch how the rest of the group is working together as a --team-- to get the job done.
holleratchalater,
Fellfoot
holleratchalater,
Fellfoot
Ka Tet
It's funny when monking in PvE or low level PvP makes people think they're good. With some rare exceptions, the best PvE monk will be about equal to an average low-level PvP monk, and the best low-level PvP monk may be within the range of a below-average GvG monk.
INB4: when a champ range monk plays PvE or RA, he still counts as a GvG monk not a PvE or low-level PvP monk.
INB4: when a champ range monk plays PvE or RA, he still counts as a GvG monk not a PvE or low-level PvP monk.
caballo_oscuro
Ha! Best thread in a long time. I play all profs but prefer frontline. I know though playing support positions it's a pain when someone doesn't know how to play their part in crucial missions so yeah I agree you should find some way to let them know they're not appreciated.
I'm not sure I agree that not healing them is the best way but if making them feel unwelcome is your way of improving your team, go for it. Personally if it's not a critical point in the game I'd hold my own and carry them but in something challenging where the team needs to know their positions, then if they don't know how they play, why are you complaining when you bring them along?
Know your team and you'll be fine. If they screw around and waste your time, drop them or teach them, your choice. I wonder how people are gonna cope with healing themselves once all the monks are exiled in GW2, but spose that's a question for another forum...
I'm not sure I agree that not healing them is the best way but if making them feel unwelcome is your way of improving your team, go for it. Personally if it's not a critical point in the game I'd hold my own and carry them but in something challenging where the team needs to know their positions, then if they don't know how they play, why are you complaining when you bring them along?
Know your team and you'll be fine. If they screw around and waste your time, drop them or teach them, your choice. I wonder how people are gonna cope with healing themselves once all the monks are exiled in GW2, but spose that's a question for another forum...
MisterB
Unless I know a player, I always prefer heroes or even henchmen for the backline (only in PvE, obviously) because of this very reason. Heroes and henchmen don't discriminate and they do their job.
Kerwyn Nasilan
If a player is being stupid they don't deserve heals, and this is coming from a good ole warrior who appreciates his monkies!
Oh and a quick question for Ninja Ninja, did a monk shoot your dog or something?
Oh and a quick question for Ninja Ninja, did a monk shoot your dog or something?
kazjun
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Originally Posted by Age
That still doesn't work as well and you have to micromanage them.
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Lanier
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Originally Posted by Kerwyn Nasilan
If a player is being stupid they don't deserve heals
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From a purely selfish standpoint, it is still within the best interest of the healer to keep the stupid party member alive. That party member presents an extra body that can draw random hexes/conditions and bits of damage to it. While one might think that a character like this would be an energy drain on a monk, I have found that it is far easier to manage energy when one party member is taking all the damage (ex: if a warrior is overextending). If a warrior is underextending (like the example in the OP), then they wouldn't be an energy drain anyway so there is no reason to let them die.
Plus, there really is no excuse to be an arrogant asshole over an online game. If a player doesn't know better or just wants to play around with a less-than-optimal build for fun... well thats still no excuse to be an arrogant asshole.
Ninja Ninja
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If a player is being stupid they don't deserve heals, and this is coming from a good ole warrior who appreciates his monkies!
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Wish Swiftdeath
When I do pug pve stuff
on my monk I don't really get pissed off or anything because its ridiculously easy, if people overextend then I generally don't heal them but otherwise im cool with stuff. Nobody ever complains about my monking but if someone was rude to me I'd defend myself, if he continued being a jerk though I guess I would leave.
In RA in the other hand there are so many terrible players that have bad positioning and don't kite that I usually end up arguing with someone terrible. If people screw up and it's gonna burn my energy/not worth it then i let them die and whisper them saying what they did wrong, if they accept it im happy and give them more advice. If they don't I still heal them but I don't say anything either. If I whisper them and they're offensive/rude then I stop healing them till they get the message
on my monk I don't really get pissed off or anything because its ridiculously easy, if people overextend then I generally don't heal them but otherwise im cool with stuff. Nobody ever complains about my monking but if someone was rude to me I'd defend myself, if he continued being a jerk though I guess I would leave.
In RA in the other hand there are so many terrible players that have bad positioning and don't kite that I usually end up arguing with someone terrible. If people screw up and it's gonna burn my energy/not worth it then i let them die and whisper them saying what they did wrong, if they accept it im happy and give them more advice. If they don't I still heal them but I don't say anything either. If I whisper them and they're offensive/rude then I stop healing them till they get the message