Ban during finals of monthly automated tournament
Sirius Bsns
I wonder if whoever banned him [or them] had any bias towards [members of] their guild?
tyrant rex
apparently if you break the rules that have been stated 9001 times you get banned what a surprise
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by Krill
Anet has never squandered an opportunity to lower their pants and take a dump on GvG.
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Bans during the finals, not even being able to get enough TK'ers together to test the GvG changes, etc.
Just stupid problems.
Essence Snow
Anet was 100% correct in their ban...like a resturaunt manager...you have to kick the unruley person out as soon as possible to keep things civil. To give any preference due to position is only to undermind your own rules.
Elnino
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Originally Posted by tyrant rex
apparently if you break the rules that have been stated 9001 times you get banned what a surprise
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Originally Posted by sykoone
Who's to say Anet was actually aware the player was in the middle of the final anyway. When support flips the switch to trigger a ban, are they supposed to check what the player is doing first?
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Life Bringing
It was a ban for offensive language correct? Why was this issue so pressing that it had to happen during the mAT? Sure, if it was botting, ban him on the spot, but srsly? Offensive language to ruin a mAT? That makes no sense whatsoever.
Tbh, bans for racial slurs that don't intentionally go around the chat filter are stupid as well, but thats another argument.
Tbh, bans for racial slurs that don't intentionally go around the chat filter are stupid as well, but thats another argument.
jimbo32
I'm not a PvP'er, but I think this is just stupid on ANet's part. I agree that rules are rules, but whether that dude *deserved* the ban isn't the issue. It should be an ANet policy that bans don't happen during a high-end match (maybe once a mAT gets to top 8 for instance).
reaper with no name
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Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid
Everyone on that team was a willing participant to that player. They all agreed upon the same rules as he did, and if they didn't speak up or say anything, then they were condoning what that player was doing as a team.
That is their own fault for letting someone like that on their team. Thus, they have to pay the consequences for allowing that player to break the rules which they all agreed upon. That is completely fair and just. That's like saying I can break all the rules I want during the game, even if it does give me an advantage over everyone. But you are not allowed to ban me till the game is over cause it is unfair to my team that I can't continue to keep breaking the rules. You break the rules, you pay the price. Simple as that. There is no "I'm special cause I'm in a tournament so I can do whatever I want and they are not allowed to penalize me till after it is all over". |
jazilla
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Originally Posted by Polgara Val
In actuality Zidane later stated that he tottaly regreted letting Materazzi get to him and felt a great deal of guilt of letting his team mates down. If the player in the MaT final had any sort of moral compass he would feel the same way. He let his teamates and let himself down, he paid the price and so did his team in the end, I feel sorry for his team more then anything.
Comparing a World Cup final to a MaT final is sort of ludicrous though. Pol |
side note: the italian that baited Zidane knew exactly the response that his comments would evoke. Zidane stupidly went for the hook and lost the World Cup for his team. You always wait to take personal squabbles out at the pub after the match is over. Zidane got played for a fool, and France paid the price.
Essence Snow
Just on a side note ......comparing this to soccer is right on...not many in US care bout soccer and not many in US care bout mat. Kind of fitting if u think about it......lol
Gill Halendt
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Originally Posted by sykoone
Who's to say Anet was actually aware the player was in the middle of the final anyway. When support flips the switch to trigger a ban, are they supposed to check what the player is doing first?
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Originally Posted by reaper with no name
I find I have to agree with this. If you let someone into your team who is breaking the rules, you have to pay the consequences when they get banned in the middle of the match. That team had no one to blame but themselves.
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Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid
You break the rules, you pay the price. Simple as that. There is no "I'm special cause I'm in a tournament so I can do whatever I want and they are not allowed to penalize me till after it is all over".
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Also, I believe it's not over. Likely this incident will have consequences in tournament results somehow. Wait for some official word from Anet, then judge.
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Originally Posted by lemming
It's as if the severity of the offense doesn't matter at all. You conveniently forgot to note that Zidane was provoked into headbutting Materazzi when the latter insulted the former's sister - which is very close to the offense that happened today.
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jonnieboi05
aNet was 100% correct to dish out this suspension/ban.
Why in the hell should aNet WASTE their resources and check through one particular person's history and see if they are a GvG'er and play in aT's and mAT's? Really? Come on, that's just RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing stupid and quite idiotic.
It is not only the player's fault for getting booted out during the finals, but it also the guild's idiotic judgement to let a trash talker talk his shit during/before a mAT. It was their decision to them continue playing on their team, they chose the roster, it is their responsibility to make sure that all goes well.
I seriously don't understand how people are defending the player and saying "oh he should have been dealt with after the mAT". Uhh... Are you people RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing stupid? I'm sorry, but there's nothing more I hate than ignorance.
Thank you aNet for dealing with this on YOUR time on YOUR game and dealing with it as YOU see fit. You did the right thing, aNet, no one is above the law of your game and people need to start realizing that like I did a long, long time ago when I received my perma ban for continuous shit talking.
The rules are there for a reason. Either follow them or get RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed. It's that simple and isn't hard to understand.
Justified ban is justified.
Why in the hell should aNet WASTE their resources and check through one particular person's history and see if they are a GvG'er and play in aT's and mAT's? Really? Come on, that's just RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing stupid and quite idiotic.
It is not only the player's fault for getting booted out during the finals, but it also the guild's idiotic judgement to let a trash talker talk his shit during/before a mAT. It was their decision to them continue playing on their team, they chose the roster, it is their responsibility to make sure that all goes well.
I seriously don't understand how people are defending the player and saying "oh he should have been dealt with after the mAT". Uhh... Are you people RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing stupid? I'm sorry, but there's nothing more I hate than ignorance.
Thank you aNet for dealing with this on YOUR time on YOUR game and dealing with it as YOU see fit. You did the right thing, aNet, no one is above the law of your game and people need to start realizing that like I did a long, long time ago when I received my perma ban for continuous shit talking.
The rules are there for a reason. Either follow them or get RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed. It's that simple and isn't hard to understand.
Justified ban is justified.
stanzhao
i dont understand why people are angry about this? surely some common sense needs to be employed?
the guy got banned during a mat. so what? it hinders the team. its not fair on the team but they knew the guy, you take on the person knowing what they are like.
if anet was to change their mind a put the person back into the mat, where do you draw the line on these things? If this was a for a cash prize then it is different.
but if this guy gets to go back, why not pvers who are doing a dungeon, monk gets banned at the final boss. they all die, do they now have the right to say they demand compensation because of the one person?
where do you stop bending the rules for different situations? anet needs to keep the rules the same for everyone, regardless of who you are or what your doing. otherwise everyone can start to make comparisons to what theyre doing, and the system becomes corrupt.
the guy got banned during a mat. so what? it hinders the team. its not fair on the team but they knew the guy, you take on the person knowing what they are like.
if anet was to change their mind a put the person back into the mat, where do you draw the line on these things? If this was a for a cash prize then it is different.
but if this guy gets to go back, why not pvers who are doing a dungeon, monk gets banned at the final boss. they all die, do they now have the right to say they demand compensation because of the one person?
where do you stop bending the rules for different situations? anet needs to keep the rules the same for everyone, regardless of who you are or what your doing. otherwise everyone can start to make comparisons to what theyre doing, and the system becomes corrupt.
Lord Dagon
But, it altered the way a PvP torunament happened. Thats if lets say it somehow got to be whittled down to a 1v1 match in the final GvG round. lets say its been going for 20mins and neither of them are making progress. Then, suddenly, dhuum comes up and bans one of the people in the 1v1 fight and the other team wins. I mean cmon, they manipulated(intentionally or not and i get deleted by saying intentional so ill leave that part open) the match and gave the other team a victory. I'm sorry but they need to pay attention to the High end PvP. You jsut really cant win a 7v8 fight. I mean what if the person had been a monk? It would've been instant death. so yes, i'm gonan go ahead and say that they didnt need to ban the dude right away, especially for an innapropriate language ban. Those things are a slap on the wrist and you go to sleep and get to play again.
So yea i thought in this case it would be warrented for anet to freaking pay attention to who they're banning.
So yea i thought in this case it would be warrented for anet to freaking pay attention to who they're banning.
Makkert
the joke is quite simple, as always.
I love how people pull in soccer to make a comparison that is pretty much flawed.
The flaw lies in the fact that being given a red card in soccer means the player in question has been fouling DURING playtime, influencing the match in his team's favor in a way that was unbecoming.
The player in question most likely committed his 'foul' before the match, since during a match, there is little time for foul language/botting/etc. ANet just has a delay to process it. Should there be no delay, then the player would have been banned BEFORE the match, meaning the guild could have substituted him. This would have been the correct way. The alternative way would have been to wait after the game.
I'm not defending the player here. I'm just saying the match was not negatively impacted by him, ergo his team should not have been penalised in this way without chance of subsituting him.
~ Makk.
I love how people pull in soccer to make a comparison that is pretty much flawed.
The flaw lies in the fact that being given a red card in soccer means the player in question has been fouling DURING playtime, influencing the match in his team's favor in a way that was unbecoming.
The player in question most likely committed his 'foul' before the match, since during a match, there is little time for foul language/botting/etc. ANet just has a delay to process it. Should there be no delay, then the player would have been banned BEFORE the match, meaning the guild could have substituted him. This would have been the correct way. The alternative way would have been to wait after the game.
I'm not defending the player here. I'm just saying the match was not negatively impacted by him, ergo his team should not have been penalised in this way without chance of subsituting him.
~ Makk.
Missing HB
I don't get the point of all this discussion because of 1 dhuum in mat finals. Actually , the problem is the reason why the finals isn't showing on B ( you cannot tell me it's because of that ban , cannot be serious... ) .. As far as i can remember , the only Hero Battle mat where people didn't even play did appear on observer....
And anyway , what if one guy just gets err7 5 sec before entering in? That's even worse then getting banned in middle of fight , since by being 7/8 4-5 sec before you basically have no time to react to add a hench in order to be able to go in ....
And anyway , what if one guy just gets err7 5 sec before entering in? That's even worse then getting banned in middle of fight , since by being 7/8 4-5 sec before you basically have no time to react to add a hench in order to be able to go in ....
StormDragonZ
This should simply teach a lesson. Don't GO RED ENGINEing say stuff like that in a mAT!
I am 100% for the ban during the match.
I am 100% for the ban during the match.
Makkert
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Originally Posted by Missing HB
I don't get the point of all this discussion because of 1 dhuum in mat finals. Actually , the problem is the reason why the finals isn't showing on B ( you cannot tell me it's because of that ban , cannot be serious... ) .. As far as i can remember , the only Hero Battle mat where people didn't even play did appear on observer....
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Originally Posted by Missing HB
And anyway , what if one guy just gets err7 5 sec before entering in? That's even worse then getting banned in middle of fight , since by being 7/8 4-5 sec before you basically have no time to react to add a hench in order to be able to go in ....
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Apok
I'm going to pull an observation from the lovely QQ forums: This is the perfect example of rulebreaking and its effect on a competitive player.
They could not have chosen a better time to do this. A player who did something to get himself banned during an important match and its effect on his team. This sends a message that I hope every PvPer- hell, every player- recieves: there is no such thing as a worst-case scenario. This applies to everything. He knew what he did, and got a very humiliating ban because of it.
And most of the PvPers here sicken me with their trigger-happy "herpa-derp, Anet screwed up again" logic. In real life sports, referees don't give a shit about how important the game is; they do their job and follow up on anyone breaking a rule. The police or any other authority figure pick up the slack on and off the court as well. They don't see a player shoot a guy and just say "well, he has an important game to get to, better throw him in jail after his celebration party."
Anet responded justly to this case.
Deal with it.
They could not have chosen a better time to do this. A player who did something to get himself banned during an important match and its effect on his team. This sends a message that I hope every PvPer- hell, every player- recieves: there is no such thing as a worst-case scenario. This applies to everything. He knew what he did, and got a very humiliating ban because of it.
And most of the PvPers here sicken me with their trigger-happy "herpa-derp, Anet screwed up again" logic. In real life sports, referees don't give a shit about how important the game is; they do their job and follow up on anyone breaking a rule. The police or any other authority figure pick up the slack on and off the court as well. They don't see a player shoot a guy and just say "well, he has an important game to get to, better throw him in jail after his celebration party."
Anet responded justly to this case.
Deal with it.
_June
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I'm going to pull an observation from the lovely QQ forums: This is the perfect example of rulebreaking and its effect on a competitive player.
They could not have chosen a better time to do this. A player who did something to get himself banned during an important match and its effect on his team. This sends a message that I hope every PvPer- hell, every player- recieves: there is no such thing as a worst-case scenario. This applies to everything. He knew what he did, and got a very humiliating ban because of it. And most of the PvPers here sicken me with their trigger-happy "herpa-derp, Anet screwed up again" logic. In real life sports, referees don't give a shit about how important the game is; they do their job and follow up on anyone breaking a rule. The police or any other authority figure pick up the slack on and off the court as well. They don't see a player shoot a guy and just say "well, he has an important game to get to, better throw him in jail after his celebration party." Anet responded justly to this case. Deal with it. |
He knew what he was doing and could have chosen to keep his mouth shut. Rules are rules and he broke them. The AT is just a game, and Anet doesn't care about it, it's not more important than enforcing their rules and nobody should be immune to it. Nobody should be immune to punishment for their actions at any point in time, as that would just serve to undermine Anet's authority.
/closethread
Faer
Because some people actually enjoy playing Guild Wars for the sake of playing it.
Nekodesu
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Agree 100%
He knew what he was doing and could have chosen to keep his mouth shut. Rules are rules and he broke them. The AT is just a game, and Anet doesn't care about it, it's not more important than enforcing their rules and nobody should be immune to it. Nobody should be immune to punishment for their actions at any point in time, as that would just serve to undermine Anet's authority. /closethread |
He just got what was comming and deserved, and honestly, I'm sure for whatever reason he got banned for, the way he was banned wont make him do it again : D
*roflz*
Missing HB
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Because some people actually enjoy playing Guild Wars for the sake of playing it.
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AexIndex
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Originally Posted by Nekodesu
Second agree.
He just got what was comming and deserved, and honestly, I'm sure for whatever reason he got banned for, the way he was banned wont make him do it again : D *roflz* |
So when you don't know what went on! Shush! And stop making dumb assumptions.
_June
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Originally Posted by AexIndex
LoL! You don't even know what was said to him, everyone has a trigger point at which they go off, keep pushing it and everyone will do the same.
So when you don't know what went on! Shush! And stop making dumb assumptions. |
Everyone is capable of stepping away and calming down, it was his fault he got pushed to make the comment, if indeed someone else started it, but given the ego problems involved with high end gvg, I highly doubt he was provoked and therefore fought back in a defensive manor..
seriously..you don't get perma banned for one insult...so hello?
he was a repeat offender mate..you can't defend him..
**edit**So when you don't know what went on! Shush! And stop making dumb assumptions.
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Hypocritical statement, because neither do you..
fowlero
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Originally Posted by reaper with no name
I find I have to agree with this. If you let someone into your team who is breaking the rules, you have to pay the consequences when they get banned in the middle of the match. That team had no one to blame but themselves.
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Especially if rumours to be believed that it was the team that they beat in a previous single elims match who all reported him for bad language, that got the ban. Which is essentially anet participating themselves in match manipulation, though granted its a bit of a silly extension to say but the point remains.
I personally am not defending the ban, rulebreaks are rulebreaks but they really should've checked/waited the extra 19 minutes. Anet themselves clearly don't completely agree with the way things were carried out else the match would still be on obs.
Also to everyone making these stupid comparisons, if a football player commits a foul in a previous game he should be stopped from playing his next match, or after his next match. Not during.
Nekodesu
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Originally Posted by AexIndex
LoL! You don't even know what was said to him, everyone has a trigger point at which they go off, keep pushing it and everyone will do the same.
So when you don't know what went on! Shush! And stop making dumb assumptions. |
Example; If somebody hits you, you don't hit back(Common sense), right? Well, it's the same with trash talking, if somebody tries to piss you off, how about putting him on ignore ~ lal
And how do you know if I didn't know what was said to him?
_June
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Originally Posted by fowlero
The rulebreak was swearing/bad language, noone in any PvP team is gonna think (previously) "oh no we can't take him now". People can say that's the own fault of the team, but that's stupid.
Especially if rumours to be believed that it was the team that they beat in a previous single elims match who all reported him for bad language, that got the ban. Which is essentially anet participating themselves in match manipulation, though granted its a bit of a silly extension to say but the point remains. I personally am not defending the ban, rulebreaks are rulebreaks but they really should've checked/waited the extra 19 minutes. Anet themselves clearly don't completely agree with the way things were carried out else the match would still be on obs. Also to everyone making these stupid comparisons, if a football player commits a foul in a previous game he should be stopped from playing his next match, or after his next match. Not during. |
And yes, it is the groups responsibility when it comes to their players, because they know the person and they know how they behave, because they have played with them before, it would be different if it was a first time "pug" guest, but it was not. They knew he had a temper/reputation for a foul mouth and chose not to confront them about it for the best interests of the guild...
Elnino
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Originally Posted by _June
Are you serious?
Everyone is capable of stepping away and calming down, it was his fault he got pushed to make the comment, if indeed someone else started it, but given the ego problems involved with high end gvg, I highly doubt he was provoked and therefore fought back in a defensive manor.. seriously..you don't get perma banned for one insult...so hello? he was a repeat offender mate..you can't defend him.. **edit**So when you don't know what went on! Shush! And stop making dumb assumptions. ^ Hypocritical statement, because neither do you.. |
when you don't know what went on! Shush! And stop making dumb assumptions.
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Why would they continue having mATs after that betting-thing was cancelled?
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Grand Theft Ecto
They could have issued that (72h?) ban 20-30min later and noone would've cared. Bit excessive to ruin the final with it. The player involved is a fool to take the risk though. Would be interesting to know if they intentionally pulled dhuum out in the final to make a statement, or if it was a random coincidence?
It is certain that future mATs will have less flaming going on, or well, just the next one at least.
Most of these comparisons above are on par with comparing a stolen car to downloaded music :|
It is certain that future mATs will have less flaming going on, or well, just the next one at least.
Most of these comparisons above are on par with comparing a stolen car to downloaded music :|
_June
I'm not here to start a verbal fist fight.
Proof it was a temporary ban? or this thread is pointless and should be closed as it doesn't matter.
**Edit** the point is that he was made an example of, and that this should serve as a warning to anyone else who is thinking about replying rather than ignoring or stepping away, now if Anet would just do the same for the alliance battle crowd which seems to be full of nazi symbol spamming 12 year olds.
Proof it was a temporary ban? or this thread is pointless and should be closed as it doesn't matter.
**Edit** the point is that he was made an example of, and that this should serve as a warning to anyone else who is thinking about replying rather than ignoring or stepping away, now if Anet would just do the same for the alliance battle crowd which seems to be full of nazi symbol spamming 12 year olds.
fowlero
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If a soccer player (or football as we say here in europe) gets a red card, they are removed from the game, and a perma ban in gw is the equivelent of a red card, a temp ban would be a yellow card, we can safely assume that the person in question had received many previous "yellow cards" to warrant a perma ban on the grounds on vulgar language, as this is one of the least seen reasons to permanent bans.
And yes, it is the groups responsibility when it comes to their players, because they know the person and they know how they behave, because they have played with them before, it would be different if it was a first time "pug" guest, but it was not. They knew he had a temper/reputation for a foul mouth and chose not to confront them about it for the best interests of the guild... |
The red card wouldn't have been pulled out in his next game for the previous games offence.
But enough of dumb comparisons as i said before.
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They could have issued that (72h?) ban 20-30min later and noone would've cared. Bit excessive to ruin the final with it. The player involved is a fool to take the risk though. Would be interesting to know if they intentionally pulled dhuum out in the final to make a statement, or if it was a random coincidence?|
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Elnino
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Originally Posted by _June
I'm not here to start a verbal fist fight.
Proof it was a temporary ban? or this thread is pointless and should be closed as it doesn't matter. |
Here's a link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usYzl...layer_embedded
Notice that it says that he will be able to log back in after his block expires
lemming
It wasn't a permaban.
_June
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Originally Posted by Elnino
We don't know whether the ban was temporary or permanent (unless someone who knows him can clarify). But we do know that you get Dhuum spiked even if it's a temporary ban.
Here's a link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usYzl...layer_embedded Notice that it says that he will be able to log back in after his block expires |
But I stand corrected with the temp ban then, still doesn't change my stance on the matter as he could have restrained himself in previous occasions if indeed that was were the offense took place, my opinion hasn't changed.
Kook~NBK~
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Especially if rumours to be believed that it was the team that they beat in a previous single elims match who all reported him for bad language, that got the ban. Which is essentially anet participating themselves in match manipulation, though granted its a bit of a silly extension to say but the point remains.
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lemming
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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~
A-Net doesn't simply take the word of the person(s) reporting EULA violations. They review chat logs and all that good stuff to verify that a violation actually occurred. So, it was his bad language that got him banned/suspended. A-Net has also been known to suspend other (unreported) players when they find other violations during the course of hteir investigation. It is also known that they will suspence players for abusing the /report feature.
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fowlero
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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~
A-Net doesn't simply take the word of the person(s) reporting EULA violations. They review chat logs and all that good stuff to verify that a violation actually occurred. So, it was his bad language that got him banned/suspended. A-Net has also been known to suspend other (unreported) players when they find other violations during the course of hteir investigation. It is also known that they will suspence players for abusing the /report feature.
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Artisan Archer
"mAT? What's that? I didn't know we had tournaments in Guild Wars?"
Anet showcasing some epic management skills.
Anet showcasing some epic management skills.
SongOf
Here's my take:
One guild is a loser because of some idiot who blew winning gold for the team by getting banned...
The other guild is a loser because they didn't 'rightfully' win the gold by playing what could have been an amazing final match
The fans are losers because we don't get to watch a decent MAT through to the very end (...AGAIN)
Anet is a loser because the fans lose even more respect for them by allowing a ban at the shttiest time possible
Now I'm all for banning the dude if he violated any terms, but everybody is a loser when you activate bans (automated or not) in the freaking middle of a tournament match...especially finals! AS LONG AS IT'S NOT A SCRIPT/BOT RELATED BAN: Do it BEFORE the match if you insist, or after if you can't.
And to all the analogies with other sports games: the difference with GW is we can't simply replace the banned player with another in the middle of a match.
One guild is a loser because of some idiot who blew winning gold for the team by getting banned...
The other guild is a loser because they didn't 'rightfully' win the gold by playing what could have been an amazing final match
The fans are losers because we don't get to watch a decent MAT through to the very end (...AGAIN)
Anet is a loser because the fans lose even more respect for them by allowing a ban at the shttiest time possible
Now I'm all for banning the dude if he violated any terms, but everybody is a loser when you activate bans (automated or not) in the freaking middle of a tournament match...especially finals! AS LONG AS IT'S NOT A SCRIPT/BOT RELATED BAN: Do it BEFORE the match if you insist, or after if you can't.
And to all the analogies with other sports games: the difference with GW is we can't simply replace the banned player with another in the middle of a match.