I hope it does get a nerf, because it was nice to run without it and having to spend time making a good party. Once I tried it, it was the easy button; plug and play, just worry about your own build. I take forever to set up builds, reading skills and then having to deal with upgrading heroes for a specific build and taking them off and changing them, it's just mentally exhausting.
Discord is just a lazy crutch, one I'm guilty of, because it's tiring to basically play four characters at once. When we get full hero parties, I will science a new strategy, since I won't be limited by henchies, and I'll go back to my not-so-old ways of actually thinking. I've been busy unlocking every skill in the mean time.
What would everyone do without Discord?
Xiaquin
Nekodesu
Seriously, not everybody uses discord. >,< I used to use it only before, because it was the only build I found that was good for VQing. So I got stuck with it. But, I actuallt love balanced. It's just that discord is an incredibly good invetion 
It deals great damage, loads of hexes and minions. It's very good. But, it is one target spike, which can be sometimes hard.
But when the 7 hero team comes, it's gonna be much fun. Cause I love to run balanced and try to use all the heroes that aren't used alot
It deals great damage, loads of hexes and minions. It's very good. But, it is one target spike, which can be sometimes hard.But when the 7 hero team comes, it's gonna be much fun. Cause I love to run balanced and try to use all the heroes that aren't used alot
Lest121
People seem to forget that Discord while powerful needs 2 requirements to get the actual skill to work, heavy hex removal groups in HM can be tough, Hex Eater Vortex enemies can take you discord build and make it look weak, also this ain't a AoE spike build, it's a single target only build, your AoE spikes comes from MM nuker.
To the OP if you don't like discord then don't get into a group who's gonna be using heroes.
To the OP if you don't like discord then don't get into a group who's gonna be using heroes.
kedde
Discord isn't particularly good, it's just easymode.
All you gotta do is press 3 buttons over and over compared to what you need to do with builds that can have a higher efficiency.
As always, easy crap with little to no effort input versus a high reward output will win for the masses of scrubs.
All you gotta do is press 3 buttons over and over compared to what you need to do with builds that can have a higher efficiency.
As always, easy crap with little to no effort input versus a high reward output will win for the masses of scrubs.
Calista Blackblood
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What would everyone do if Discord was suddenly massively nerfed or removed from the game? Seriously? I think at least half of the people playing the game would all of a sudden suck. It seems like every single time I group up with someone in GW they either already have Olias, Livia, and Whispers in their group or they add them shortly after a few people join. Do people even know how to play this game without Discord?
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drkn
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Pretty much same as in ~97% of the NM/HM game content...
I started to use discordway only after i had everything PvE-wise completed, only a few tyrian locations awaited to be vanquished, and i was grinding hero handbooks to max my EotN titles. I chose to fill them fully and, well, several quests are pain in the ass to H/H as a primairy mesmer (back then, anyway, without Panic and other fun stuff we have since May), namely DD was annoying, so i tried the first pvx gimmick i came across.
Still, i've completed pretty much everything balanced-way, with builds based on my own ideas (even my discordway is much different than the pvx-one). So i feel capable of doing the content without discordway. I actually support nerfing it, both via nerfing AP and the sheer N/Rt power and healing output (SR should be tweaked, the whole secondary class mechanics are flawed and there should be some limits on your secondary). Up until then, however, i'll continue steamrolling everything, including HM WiK bounties, with my altered discord.
Gigashadow
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What would everyone do if Discord was suddenly massively nerfed or removed from the game? Seriously? I think at least half of the people playing the game would all of a sudden suck. It seems like every single time I group up with someone in GW they either already have Olias, Livia, and Whispers in their group or they add them shortly after a few people join. Do people even know how to play this game without Discord?
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Xx Citrus Spike Xx
Used correctly discord in hm is great, it makes the vq quicker than most other builds, i use it but i also use other builds depending on the situation, i dont use discord where there are not many bodies, most of all you people who say i don`t use it , i put money on have used it and thought wow this is really good, eles suck (not including earth and water) in hm, i have to admit i use a water ele alot, but it is what it is a gimmick build that works, it does exactly what it says it does (if used correctly of course), it`s pretty much one of the only builds that lets you roll hm missions with ease, so when it comes to doing the same mission christ knows how many times with different chars, i would rather do it quickly and easily than slug it out with most other builds. But i am not one of those people that where the discord on my team , if i roll with real people and they need heros i tend to use rits.
But all in all i like discord but if it goes i won`t lose any sleep.
But all in all i like discord but if it goes i won`t lose any sleep.
Xenomortis
If Discord was nerfed then bugger all would happen.
If minions and spirits were nerfed then casters suddenly have a much harder time achieving things H/H.
Discord isn't all that great - it overwhelms most content but then so does pretty much anything that has some sort of effective synergy (and a shitload of minions). The fact the player bar has one of the strongest spikes in the game recharged by AP has more to do with it than Discord being a spikey skill.
If minions and spirits were nerfed then casters suddenly have a much harder time achieving things H/H.
Discord isn't all that great - it overwhelms most content but then so does pretty much anything that has some sort of effective synergy (and a shitload of minions). The fact the player bar has one of the strongest spikes in the game recharged by AP has more to do with it than Discord being a spikey skill.
Evaine
If Discord got changed or nerfed then players would learn to use something else and people like the op would have something different to qq about.
I think that players who have to group with pugs in order to get something done are the only ones who use gimmick builds that rely on Discord and/or spirit spam. I personally don't care what other players use - to each his own. If it works for them, then so be it.
It seems like there's a thread like this everytime some easy boss pops up as the Z-Bounty.
I think that players who have to group with pugs in order to get something done are the only ones who use gimmick builds that rely on Discord and/or spirit spam. I personally don't care what other players use - to each his own. If it works for them, then so be it.
It seems like there's a thread like this everytime some easy boss pops up as the Z-Bounty.
mechanizeddeath
As others have said, it's great for vanquishing an area. Beyond that, well I'd prefer to run something more fun. Because that's why we play this game right? 
The only thing I dislike about it is that it is part of the PvX wiki mentality that seems to have developed during the time I wasn't playing. Now I have to run a wiki bar if I join a pug or else I get kicked, and every player I meet reminds me of my friend who only plays the mindless console shooters of the month, and thinks Fallout 3 is "too complicated."
The only thing I dislike about it is that it is part of the PvX wiki mentality that seems to have developed during the time I wasn't playing. Now I have to run a wiki bar if I join a pug or else I get kicked, and every player I meet reminds me of my friend who only plays the mindless console shooters of the month, and thinks Fallout 3 is "too complicated."
russiansteven
Create a new build that would make Discord look like crayons.
MithranArkanere
Heh. Keep your Discord. I'll stick to Mesmer Heroes. One anticaster, one anti weapons, and the rest of the characters just damage and heal. And done, you just stroll around killing anything on sight while they are utterly useless.
chuckles79
Discordway is not God Mode and it doesn't even work in all areas. I think it's a great way for players with slower reflexes, slower connections, and/or less expertise (not the ranger att.) to dip their toes into HM without getting clobbered in seconds.
As one progresses, there will be times when you have to adapt and change.
I admit that I use it as a default for VQ'ing areas when I don't want to have to overplan it. However I'll VQ with balanced teams, Racway (variant of), or whatever.
As one progresses, there will be times when you have to adapt and change.
I admit that I use it as a default for VQ'ing areas when I don't want to have to overplan it. However I'll VQ with balanced teams, Racway (variant of), or whatever.
??iljo
panic,ineptitude,mm
sos,sogm,mm
gg?
sos,sogm,mm
gg?
ChrisCo
Panic/Inept, mm/SoS. Hybrid monk
I think they are better than discords anyway.
I think they are better than discords anyway.
Gennadios
Don't use discords at all. I've transcended to the point where I can throw just about any random crap that I think will work on 3 heroes and for the most part it will.
If discord was suddenly massively nerfed, I imagine a large segment of the population will simply stop playing until full hero parties are implemented, OP team builds shouldn't be very difficult at all with those, especially with good runing and equipment.
If discord was suddenly massively nerfed, I imagine a large segment of the population will simply stop playing until full hero parties are implemented, OP team builds shouldn't be very difficult at all with those, especially with good runing and equipment.
ErrantVenture
Spiritway and mes heroes are better than discord anyway. Stop complaining, there will always be an OP build.
RedStar
Discord works perfectly fine in WiK.
However the world of GW is full of other builds that can be used instead of discord way. Like a Panic mesmer...
However the world of GW is full of other builds that can be used instead of discord way. Like a Panic mesmer...
Chop it Off
Never used discordway. I use a mix of modified sabway/spiritway and roll over anything I come across. When 7 hero party comes, hm is going to become super easy faceroll mode. 
Mireles
There are vastly better skills than discord... if you are the creative type, you tailor your builds to the enemies you are fighting.... but not everybody likes to critically think that is why there is discord and sabway... It is effective in most areas but not all...like in WiK which is why most people complained "Its to hard" when keystone mesmers and spirit spammers roll over white mantle effortlessly in HM...
Discord does discourage people from being creative when they got something that is effective in most areas... Ursan was removed for similar reasons... This did and would make alot of ppl QQ..
Discord does discourage people from being creative when they got something that is effective in most areas... Ursan was removed for similar reasons... This did and would make alot of ppl QQ..
Chop it Off
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There are vastly better skills than discord... if you are the creative type, you tailor your builds to the enemies you are fighting.... but not everybody likes to critically think that is why there is discord and sabway... It is effective in most areas but not all...like in WiK which is why most people complained "Its to hard" when keystone mesmers and spirit spammers roll over white mantle effortlessly in HM...
Discord does discourage people from being creative when they got something that is effective in most areas... Ursan was removed for similar reasons... This did and would make alot of ppl QQ.. |
Well said. I generally don't tailor builds to certain enemies, instead I tailor heros to certain types of enemies. For instance, if I know it's going to be a caster heavy area ill throw gwen in with keystone, or if it's going to be heavy hex I have talkhora with hex removal. I only work builds when I need to, which isn't often.
Laraja
Sometimes discord is useful. Sometimes it is not. I'm not an enamored with it as I once was. If it went away, I'd happily find something else.
I have 9 more areas to go in Prophs for my Legendary Vanquisher title, and there's been quite a few areas were Discord isn't the way to go. I won't be using them in the 4 person areas around Ascalon (still need to do Eastern Frontier, Pockmark Flats, and Regent Valley). Balanced there is probably a better idea. I just finished vanqing North Kryta and didn't use discord.
Personally, with the right builds, I've found that Norgu and Gwen make a nice team with Jora as an Earthshaker hammer warrior and me as a rit running SoS with dissonnance. This team kicked ass for me in the Crystal Desert areas and it was nice that they could shut down the hydras and wind riders (or whatever the desert version of those things are).
Personally, I can't wait for the update that'll allow us to have a full team of heros. I have so many good ones that are under utilized.
I have 9 more areas to go in Prophs for my Legendary Vanquisher title, and there's been quite a few areas were Discord isn't the way to go. I won't be using them in the 4 person areas around Ascalon (still need to do Eastern Frontier, Pockmark Flats, and Regent Valley). Balanced there is probably a better idea. I just finished vanqing North Kryta and didn't use discord.
Personally, with the right builds, I've found that Norgu and Gwen make a nice team with Jora as an Earthshaker hammer warrior and me as a rit running SoS with dissonnance. This team kicked ass for me in the Crystal Desert areas and it was nice that they could shut down the hydras and wind riders (or whatever the desert version of those things are).
Personally, I can't wait for the update that'll allow us to have a full team of heros. I have so many good ones that are under utilized.
Vallen
They would probably stop failing and use spiritway hybrid since discordway is very overhyped and bad.
Xiner
When I first discovered Discordway I thought "Wow! this is amazing and actually works great!", as my heroes had really bad builds.
Now I barely use it anymore. I usually take a merge between spiritway and sabway, and from time to time a panic mesmer... Atleast I take the bomber. And usually also a SoS resto rit + something which depends on area. A SoGM necro (for energy management) or panic mesmer works out well.
Anyway I think discord is overrated. It's pretty nice with calling etc, but it is conditional and non-AoE. (Spiritway just requires to put up spirits and they attack wether foe has a condition/hex or not)
Now I barely use it anymore. I usually take a merge between spiritway and sabway, and from time to time a panic mesmer... Atleast I take the bomber. And usually also a SoS resto rit + something which depends on area. A SoGM necro (for energy management) or panic mesmer works out well.
Anyway I think discord is overrated. It's pretty nice with calling etc, but it is conditional and non-AoE. (Spiritway just requires to put up spirits and they attack wether foe has a condition/hex or not)
StormDragonZ
I used to use Discord when vanquishing places in Prophecies. When I did Factions, I started using Mesmers & Monks. Eventually, I did a slight combination of the two with one Mesmer, one Discord Necro and a Monk.
Now, I bring a MM Necro, but if no corpses, I use the Discord, but I've recently found a nice combination in Blood Magic, specifically Life Transfer.
What works for me may not work for others.
Now, I bring a MM Necro, but if no corpses, I use the Discord, but I've recently found a nice combination in Blood Magic, specifically Life Transfer.
What works for me may not work for others.
NerfHerder
I think a large portion of the GW Community would be lost for a few weeks. That is until the friend they depend on shows them Spritiway, Mesway, Sabway or any other flavor of the month.
Another quirk about Discord is that it is generally accepted and easy to throw a 2 player team together w/o anythought to team building. This is good for a casual player, but bad for creativity.
Ultimately it would be no big loss, lots of QQs, but there are better builds out there, and dare I say we would be better off with out it. At least it would open players minds to new builds that provide a more dynamic way to play the game.
Another quirk about Discord is that it is generally accepted and easy to throw a 2 player team together w/o anythought to team building. This is good for a casual player, but bad for creativity.
Ultimately it would be no big loss, lots of QQs, but there are better builds out there, and dare I say we would be better off with out it. At least it would open players minds to new builds that provide a more dynamic way to play the game.
xPc
Keep running hero builds with more utility and damage without sacrificing meaningful defense.
Discord is pretty mediocre at best; good survivability, pretty horrible DPS and almost no utility. It's just very easy to run as it requires almost no organization and almost everyone has heard of it at this point.
Discord is pretty mediocre at best; good survivability, pretty horrible DPS and almost no utility. It's just very easy to run as it requires almost no organization and almost everyone has heard of it at this point.
Killed u man
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Run SoS, SS, VoR, Ineptitude, SF, Splinter, paragons, ...
There's an endless list of broken PvE stuff. Discord barely scrapes the OP scale. It's broken in conjuction with Assassin's promise, more particularly the Damage shouts, but on it's own, it's barely scraping 40 DPS.
A warrior in HM with only SoH on him does more damage autoattacking.
Run SoS, SS, VoR, Ineptitude, SF, Splinter, paragons, ...
There's an endless list of broken PvE stuff. Discord barely scrapes the OP scale. It's broken in conjuction with Assassin's promise, more particularly the Damage shouts, but on it's own, it's barely scraping 40 DPS.
A warrior in HM with only SoH on him does more damage autoattacking.
Owik Gall
Tried Discord and wasn't comfortable with going the offensive way with that one. Especially the way my build is. I'm working on making a 3 monk team revolved around each of them using the buffed Healing Burst.
Deviant Angel
Hmm... I'd probably come on here and watch people bitch and moan about the next popular H/H setup.
Dark-NighT
I honestly couldnt give a damn, i never use it and i never will.
Its just like sabway, making things easy which kind of defeats the point of guild wars, i dont like slow battles, but i dont like the ""I win button because i stopped caring about different builds or have no interest in making my own"" mentality
I often create my own builds, sometimes they fail, sometimes they own, but for me its keeping combat interesting.
Its just like sabway, making things easy which kind of defeats the point of guild wars, i dont like slow battles, but i dont like the ""I win button because i stopped caring about different builds or have no interest in making my own"" mentality
I often create my own builds, sometimes they fail, sometimes they own, but for me its keeping combat interesting.
Celestina
I've never even put discord on my bar or a hero's bar.
So same thing I always do.
So same thing I always do.
RedStar
I used discord way to : vanquish all of tyria, cantha and elona. And for WiK. All with no trouble, so while discord way is not godly, it's not "bad"...it gets the job done as long as you have some knowledge on how the game works.
Now for Legendary Master of the North I kicked a discord hero and put a Panic mesmer.
But if you think you can use the same builds for every area without changing some skills, then yes, it's going to be somewhat harder.
Today, with pvxwiki being so well known, people will whine one day and the following day someone will already have posted new builds on the wiki.
Now for Legendary Master of the North I kicked a discord hero and put a Panic mesmer.
But if you think you can use the same builds for every area without changing some skills, then yes, it's going to be somewhat harder.
Today, with pvxwiki being so well known, people will whine one day and the following day someone will already have posted new builds on the wiki.
Winterclaw
I never bring necros, so it wouldn't bother me in the least.
FyrFytr998
My Necro heroes never ran discord anyways. So I wouldn't miss it at all. For my Necro character.........Necrosis>Discord.
Jenn
I've never ran discordway, nor do I really run the triple-nec build that people attribute to Sab. I like changing my builds/heroes for everything. It's really fun to create strong teams that can counter prominent features in a zone/mission (e.g. hexes, conditions, melee, interrupts). I say, if Discord gets eaten, be more adventuresome! Try your own creations - you get to know the game a lot better that way.
Jeydra
It's not like Discordway is the best PvE build out there, even in general, so nerfs to Discord will only affect me after the 7-hero update.
shoyon456
Although I haven't played in quite some time, I had never seen a reason to move past Sabway. It probably wasn't the best/fastest, but it got the job done for the most part.
ValaOfTheFens
Icy Veins-way? I've been using Discordway for the boring repetitive WiK quests but otherwise I use the appropriate heroes for the job. I like using half-Spiritway/half-Discordway the best. My default config is my Necro(SoS or SV, depending on the situation), Acolyte Sosuke(Savannah Heat Nuke guy), Melonni(Avatar of Grenth), and Xandra(Heals). Lately I've been trying different combos of heroes just for fun.
People complain about Discordway but imagine things after the Embard Beach update. You could run Discordway plus anything else. *lol.* Discordway + Mesmers(Panic and Ineptitude ftw) + Spiritway for me.
I've been using Discordway for the boring repetitive WiK quests but otherwise I use the appropriate heroes for the job. I like using half-Spiritway/half-Discordway the best. My default config is my Necro(SoS or SV, depending on the situation), Acolyte Sosuke(Savannah Heat Nuke guy), Melonni(Avatar of Grenth), and Xandra(Heals). Lately I've been trying different combos of heroes just for fun. People complain about Discordway but imagine things after the Embard Beach update. You could run Discordway plus anything else. *lol.* Discordway + Mesmers(Panic and Ineptitude ftw) + Spiritway for me.