Does it exist?

What is this thread?

Do you have questions about the existence of some specific gear in Guild Wars? Did such a thing ever exist at all? Can they still drop? This section and, hopefully, this thread gets a lot of traffic from those of us out there who look at a lot of drops, both our own and others' in trade. Let's help each other out and answer those nagging questions!

Referencing Wikis

Most information on what's available can be found from the player-maintained wikis for the game.

The Original GuildWiki - hosted by Curse
The Official Guild Wars Wiki - hosted by ArenaNET

When faced with, "does it exist?" type questions, it's always a good idea to check there first. Most of the time those are quite accurate about gear. However, they are both created and edited by players rather than any kind of official documentation. Sometimes, it turns out the wikis have it wrong.

Please refrain from posting if the only answer you have to someone's question here is to repeat to them what one of the game wikis says or link them to the wiki article. Anyone posting a question here has probably already checked the wiki articles for their answer. This thread is for situations where the information is not available or clear on the wiki and/or situations where you have reason to believe the wiki info might be wrong.

List of Questions and Answers

In an effort to avoid repeated questions and give folks a quick summary, I will try to keep a sort of table of contents here. Please do feel free to discuss and debate (politely) here. Hopefully this list will make it easier for folks who are not as interested in such back-and-fort to still find helpful answers here.

PLEASE do let me know if I have misunderstood or mislinked anything!

For each question asked there will be links, as necessary, like so.

• post with the question
  • first reply post under the impression it does not exist
  • first reply post under the impression it does exist
  • first reply post providing screenshot of item's existence
  • summary of findings (when/if we figure them out)

I will only leave links to the first "no," "yes, I think so," and "yes, here's a picture," replies for each question in order to keep the list here cleaner. If you're interested in this question, please do check later replies to see how many other players responded. You are certainly welcome to post your answer even if it agrees with an earlier reply.

• Q: Do "Staff Wrapping of Energy Storage," "Staff Wrapping of Soul Reaping," and/or "Staff Wrapping of Fast Casting" exist at all?
  • first reply claiming to have seen one
  • first reply of never having seen any
  • Conclusion: Uncertain, but they may not exist at all. Several people who see a lot of drops claim they've never noticed one. However, one person does claim to have seen one here, and Wiki claims all but Fast Casting do exist.
• Q: Do Crystalline Swords with purple text and an inscription slot exist?
  • first reply claiming to have seen one.
  • first reply with screenshot
  • Conclusion: They were a possible drop during the EotN preview weekend. They no longer drop in game, but some still exist.
• Q: Do Tribal Axes exist in max damage gold without inscription slots?
  • first reply claiming they exist from "The Mausoleum" only
  • first reply claiming that they could exist from other sources
  • Conclusion: So far, it doesn't seem that anyone knows of any other than the glitched Halloween 2010 quest.
• Q: Do Summit Warlord Shields exist in Strength requirements, inherent or inscribable?
  • first reply of never having seen any
  • No conclusions yet.
• Q: Can anyone show a screenshot or claim to have seen a req. 8 Magmas Shield with dual +30 and -5(20%) mods?
  • No conclusions yet.
• Q: Are there any max r7 Serpent or Dwarven Axes, gold or purple, known to exist?
  • first reply of no
  • No conclusions yet.
• Q: Are there any max r8 Short Swords with +5en?
  • No conclusions yet.
• Q: Are there any r8 15^50 Crystalline Swords?
  • first reply of yes
  • Conclusion: it seems some players are well aware of at least a few and who owns them now.
• Q: Are there any known unconditional Crystalline Swords or Chaos Axes?
  • Conclusion: the "Unconditional Weapons" thread is the best list we have so far of the known unconditionals and the place more likely for most folks to post and look for screenshots of them.
• Q: Do any req. 8 Dragon Staffs exist?
  • first claim of having seen 10/10 pre-staff update r8 version
  • No conclusions yet.
• Q: Do any Motivation req. Equine Aegis exist?
  • first reply with claim of having seen one/information suggesting they exist
  • No conclusions yet.
• Q: Does the green shield, "Shield of the Condemned," exist in a Strength version?
  • No conclusions yet.
• Q: What attributes exist for inscribable Shadow Staffs?
  • Luny's note - the curiosity here is that most multi-attribute staff and wand skins which appear with inscription slots are available for only the primary attributes. (Mesmers usually get Inspiration or Domination Magic instead of Fast Casting, however.)
  • picture of one with Fire Magic req. and inscription slot.
  • claim of Smiting Prayers versions
  • first reply claiming there should be the potential for them to exist in any attribute which inherent Shadow Staffs exist (Luny's note - that's every caster attribute except Healing, Protection and Restoration)
  • Conclusion: Folks would be interested to see what other attributes there are for inscribable Shadow Staffs.
• Q: Does any "Krytan Axe" exist with inherent +5 energy?
  (Luny's note - I misread the question and first listed this as req 8 only, my apologies.)
  • No conclusions yet.
• Q: Do any max armor req. 7 Echovald Shields exist?
  • first claim of them not likely to exist
  • No conclusions yet.
• Q: Does anyone have screenshot proof of a max r7 weapon dropping?
  • first post claiming such drops are no longer possible
  • link to the current "Low Req Weapons" thread where many people are watching for drops
  • Conclusion: A legitimate screenshot showing these can still drop would be a fantastic find. To date, it seems highly unlikely that max r7 items still drop.

I took a look on wiki and the +1 attribute split into Staff Wrapping of Mastery and of Attribute.....i'm pretty sure u refer to the attribute's one: a staff that can have a Wrapping of any attribute even not linked to the staff own attribute e.g. Ghostly Staff (earth magic) of Soul Reaping.
Salvaging a wrapping like that you have a Staff Wrapping of a specific attribute.

Staff Wrap of Mastery is linked to the staff attribute...and is pretty common....salvaging a staff wrapping of mastery you have a general +1 attribute ..% that will change every time you set it on a different staff

I guess many ppl will not even notice the staff wrapping of attribute and merch the staff cos it's bad req or doesn't need it....

After this explanation, i know it doesn't help as you said above, but i'm pretty sure a Dying Nightmare in the UW in NM dropped a gold Staff (death magic) with +19% Soul Reaping some 3 years ago....it was one of my first run in UW so i remember it! But i got no SS of it

I'd love to know whether or not an inscribable purple crystalline sword actually exists. I've heard that they do, but I have never seen one. And seeing is believing eh?

Gold, max damage, uniscr Tribal axe Pl0x :P

@Luny: i just dont know... never rly thought about that. but not that you're asking about them i think i've never seen any of those too.

@Firefighter... Well i SAW one req9 purple inscribable myself! but that was years ago... and i dont know if it still exists. but i guess someone still has it...

@Bright... was dropping during the bugged halloween quest. so im 100% sure there is one... but will be removed anyway, so i think that won't count.
I'm pretty sure there are no other max gold inherent tribal axes...

Thanks for all of the replies, both info/answers and new questions!

Ok, so I was just chatting about this thread with Toadie (who has this odd idea that he's actually someone named "Kai" or _Todeshand_) He sent me this link to a shot of one on a wartower thread. It's in German, so I can't tell if it proves anything or not.

http://www.wartower.de/forum/showthread.php?t=329236

So, does anyone who can read German think this looks like legit proof that insc. Crystalline Swords do exist (even if they don't drop anymore?)

I told Toadie he should post this himself, but he seems to have sprained his posting hand somehow.

I'm posting here to prove that my posting hand is working all fine.

I don't think the inherent Tribal Axes would be deleted, even if A.Net found a way to remove the glitched items as the only "bad" thing from that quest were the triple mod stuffs... and A.Net seems to fail anyways.

Also I'd not be 100% sure that there is one, but it is 100% sure that there could be one

Everything else: agreed and thanks for all Marius

I'm so pissed I didn't start farming that quest... Oh, is it still farmable?

Nope, and probably will either not be in next year or will be fixed by then.

No, they took out all access to it after Halloween event was over. At least, as far as I know they did. If there's some sneaky way people can still get back in there, they've done an amazingly good job keeping it a secret. Were it still accessible, even with the best efforts, odds seem that it would have been leaked by now. No secrets for long on the internet, right?

EDIT - hang on! Bright, aren't you supposed to be killing demons right now?

Are they gunna remove the halloween weps or not?

Regina said they were looking to ID the items and remove them. But nobody knows when.

contributing: do uninscr summit warlord shields with strength req exist. or even inscr strength req summit warlords cause i've never seen one, but wiki seems to believe they exist .

I've seen two in-game, a req 9 and a req 11-13 (can't remember atm). Apparently they only dropped during EotN preview weekend and I remember I saw these both less than two months after said weekend. Haven't seen them since. I'll try to dig up some screenshots at some point, I don't know which computer's hard drive they're saved on >_>.

~Tru

This is one for my own curiosity. Highend Oldschool stuff :P

Has anyone got a screenshot or has personally seen an R8 Str 16AL +30 -5(20%) Magmas Shield?

Also... Does a req 7 Serpent Axe or Dwarven Axe exist? Gold or purple.

I'd say this is very, very, very unlikely, Chris. Practically impossible. Same for Chaos, Sephis.

What I'd like to see: req8 5nrg Short Sword

q8 cry with 15^50?

Any cry or chaos or any of those better than average skins with an unconditional?

Terror shield, does it exist????111

There are a handful or more of those. Akh' has a custo'd one. Spil has at least one, maybe more. No screens needed, it's "common knowledge" among "folks"


Check my thread on unconds (should not be hard to find): Dwarven Axe, Serpent Axe, Shining Maul (...). I've listed all known unconds.

You trying to derail here? Not funny

nice thread idea

I'm really wondering if/how many req.8 dragon staves exist,
either prenerf with perfect mods or any req.8 20/20(??seems impossible)
and 20/10(more possible) ones after nerf.
Any SS's would be highly appreciated too.

Cheers!

Here's a few popular ones from GW:EN:

Equine Aegis (Motivation)
Shield of the Condemned (Strength)

I've heard various people *swear* they've either had these and sold them, seen them drop in a pug, etc, etc. I've never seen either one for sale though - either here or in-game.

I remember seeing a picture of a gold r7 serpent a long long time ago, but most likely it was a really really good photoshop job

Well, that seems definitive enough for me. Thanks for the reply!

Duh Heres What i know about stuff asked:

Primary attri Soul reap fast cast etc Wraps. No never seen em. Getting Alot of +1attri wraps from my chest runs but never seen those. so dont think they excist

Purple Crystalline sword, As said before, There was some in Eotn preview, but i would think they got removed, ofc not sure

r8 15^50 Crystalline swords, Duh, yes

R7 serpent/dwarven. No

r8 Dragon staffs. Never seen post nerf one. or prenerf 20/20, 20/10, seen some 10/10 and worse.

Summit Warlord, No, havent seen any insc or non with stre attri

Gold unisnc Tribal axe, yes from halloween glitch i think 1-2 did pop up, But most likely will get removed

My question to all your posts is: Why did they decide to remove some items like the legendary Swamp Club (which i'm pretty sure i found one back in 2004 but had no idea of the value), max dmg req 7 stuff and more??

I mean, i understand some items like staffs have been changed (i don't like to say nerf for items), but why remove them from the game??

It would be lovely for GW market today if this items would still very very very rarely drops! This is a matter of market: nowadays everyone is worring about HoM stuff, titles, Speed Clears that remove the fun from the game and allows to farm rare weapons in hard dungeons and elite areas.....

What as been noticed is that prices are falling down for the easyness of farming items and demand of NON-INSCRIBABLE rare weapons has been falling down since years. Only collectors want some rare weapon for theyr collection while everyone looks for a BDS, a VS or Tormented Weapons.

........cheers

Duh there hasnt been proof they got removed shush. atleast now swamps..

And u found one in 2004? as in like first beta? O.o

For quite some time I am looking for these

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...03&postcount=1

Never found anything like it. I Dealer I said he had "two" of them but never found the time to show them

(The point with this skin is non-primary-attribute with inscription)

Muh

well not sure but id guess that those inscribable fire shadow staff / staves drop at the same quest that drops purple inscribable Chaos Axes, Shadow Bows and so on in Elona...
cheers

Well...i don't remember the year exactly...was maybe late 2005 or so...

even if there's no proof they have been removed noone ever said that got one dropped. The wiki says ( and i know it could be not correct 100%) that the source that used to drop this item (keyless chests in the early days of GW) was removed from the game, so it no longer drops

The point with this staff is not so much the scource (I think there are at least two or three) but:

Are there more of them? Which attributes? Maybe a insc heal prot maybe?
A purple, inscr. with max stats?

Those are the true "rarities" and "mysteries" left in this game. And they are up for grabs, if you have the brains and the stamina to optain them.

It always amuses me to read about those marvelous unconditionals and pre-thingies. Lol, like grandpa talking about the good old days...*yawn*
Those items are the past. Nice to look at but still history. Serach in the here and now and you find true gems.



Nothing super-fancy, not expensive, not a crystaline, but never the less, true raritiy.

Muh

With the simple fact they can still drop and can be farmed (Asuran Quest... don't know the name, look it up). So of course it's more rare than Eternal Blades or whatever, but it's definetly not one of a kind and it should be more common than unconds. or tyrian req8 5nrg, etc.

Anyways, that thread is not about "I have a super rare Item", but simply "Does it exist?" - and for inscriptable White Reavers and inscriptable Shadow Staves on non-primary attributes we can say "yes" now.

New Question: Anyone knows of a +5Energy Krytan Axe?

Read my first post again, Kai.

"Are there more shadow staffs?" And on which attributes?

I didn´t bring those unconds up. That was some posts before. I just think those don´t belong here.

Most of the items mentioned in this thread are well known. With a little bit of research you find most of them here discussed, even in this relatively new part of Guru.

Let´s bring something new to the table!
With the reaver I just pointed to some of the present "do they exist?"/rare-items. And of course those items do still drop.
That´s the my whole point.

Find ultra-rare stuff, that still drops!

Muh

PS: And only cause you know where something drops, doesn´t mean it´s easy to get.

My guess is - as they drop from Shadow Armies*, if I'm informed right - they should come with every attribute non inscriptables can come as well. And of course there are more and if they weren't, you could just go there and farm then until you get another one? Don't think it was nerfed, why should they?


And I also didn't bring up the uncond question, I actually even said "there's a thread on unconds already, so here's not the place to discuss them", but you simply can't say that things like those Shadow Staves are the "true" rarities of the game. Well, they are among the rarities, but they are for sure not any more rare than an uncond, req8 5nrg Tyrian, Krytan Axe, Swamp Club or req9 20/20 Dragon Staves or whatever. Or a perfect Paper Lantern. It's very likely that there are "a lot" (relatively spoken) of those White Reavers and Shadow Staves around we don't know and will never hear of, maybe on some random's hero. Most people wouldn't notice them as being special. And just merch them or keep them or whatever. If they were super valued people would go and hunt/farm then, which is still possible, even if there's only one inscr. white reaver in 20 quest runs or whatever, and they'd get more common eventually.



Edit: *according to wiki wrong info.... sorry. Hmmm, still guessing it should be the same as in Fissure of Woe.

You take some of my remarks a little too personal, chill.

Let´s try this again:

Quote from OP:
A part of this thread should be directed at "new players" and what they could find or maybe miss in this game right now.
Prenerf-stories are fun but the trading outpost is full of them.
We need some new stuff.

With the Staffs I´m looking for a proof not a "perhaps" or a "should", a screen would be nice or maybe two. Is there a healing attribute?
I have acually never seen another staff like that, and the farming part is not as easy as it seems. Not at all.

Muh

Fantastic thread, I wanted to start one here myself a few times before but always managed to get needed info elsewhere. One problem I see it's going to turn into complete mess with more and more questions asked and no definite answers for many and lots of discussions on lots of items.
Need ideas for some organization as I expect we'll soon have 20+ pages here.

Some Answers:

* Purple insc crys - 100% real, been dropping during EotN Preview event along with some other WTF-odd drops. No longer droppable - a new one would surely appear since then.

* Equine Aegis (Motivation) - there are lots and lots of Tactics and Command ones but I think I've also had a Moti one from Z-Chest and may even still have it on my banned mule account... but I can't say for sure it was Moti, it might be the existance of the green one (Mot) fuxxing my mind...
but...
http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...d.php?t=483307
why would one ask for a pc of a nonexistant item? by mistake? or maybe a bunch of those also dropped just during that EotN preview event...

* R7 Serpent/Dwarven - NONMAX ones are theoretically possible - from the same sources that dropped the low crystallines. But the ones that almost-undoubtly dropped there might have ended up being merched - in 2005 far far less people recognized them as rare valuable skins, but almost everyone knew crys. Chances for a MAX one to drop are FAR smaller than for max r7 crys from the same sources so if we got no r7 crys (except from that purple no inherent - is it even real?)

* Shadow Staffs inscribable with non-primary attribute req - almost non-existant on the market, they can drop only from Obsidian Furnace Drakes in the Drakes on the Plain quest. But there won't be unfortunately Healing or Prot req ones - they use exactly the same attributes as noninsc ones dropping in FoW.

* Swamp Clubs - it's a completely unique case of an item deliberately removed from the drop tables by Anet (probably in the 9th March 2006 update), because it was using a replacement skin and the real one never got created and they didn't want to bother with it (strangely they picked just this one, leaving lots of similar cases in Tyria, but that was the reason for removal)

My question

* Gold Max Req.7 Echovald Shields
- I think they should have been possible but I don't recall seeing even one (probably not paying enough attention to them back then). Recently I have seen WTS ads in Kamadan of an R7 /16 +45/-2^ench one and later an +30/-5(19%), unfortunately seller didn't respond when I asked.
So, has anyone seen those or even a crappy single-mod gold max req7 echo?

Well, I say there is no Healing attribute just for the fact there's no oldschool Healing Shadow Staves. The drop pool for Obsidian Furnace Drakes (I think those are the guys those staves came from) should be the same for Kourna as it is for FoW. Just with the difference that Kournans come inscr. of course. Also I think that quest should not be too hard to be farmed. The 4 Obsidian Drakes are actually quite close to the entry of the area, you just need a teleport skill (Consume Corpse e.g.) to get up there. If anyone has a char (can you play sin tank with A/N, I have no clue?! Been inactive for too long....) with the quest still open, and wants to try a farm, let me know: Mia Todeshand.


Also: there's at least 2 inscr. Shadow Staves on Smiting, as you might know, and those also don't drop from FoW/Z-Chest, do they?


E: Okay, Yawg was faster than me with the Healing thingy... -.-"

Yawgmoth- The r7 Echo thing I doubt is real or that any have ever dropped. I spent weeks and weeks before loot-scaling and antifarm updates in the echovald forest solo'ing 40 guys a run. It was me and 3 or 4 others for sure exploiting Pongmae Valley before it got the Dragons added. We all got lots of gothic items, and the occasional echo. Never saw any r7's drop. Nothing even non max either. I had one r8 16AL gold drop with single mod and a few whites. Never an r7. If it was possible for them to drop, that would have probably been the best test to find out.

So I've got some exp in them and never saw one. Someone may have got insanely lucky.. As in 1:1000000000000000000000... But until I see a screenshot I personally believe it is safe to assume that none dropped.

My 2 cents.

Also.. No one answered about the Magmas +30 -5(20%)... Are there no r8's with those mods?

Im really loving this thread, it answers a lot of questions i had, and its really nice to see the purple inscr Crysta i used to own haha! I shouldnt of let it go back then... One-of-a-few-of-a-kind i guess right?

Anyways a few theory's i wanna run past and a few questions

The inscr Shadow Staff. I see you all mentioned a few places, but i havent seen anyone mention the NF Treasure in RoT, they drop Shadow items too, and im guessing that could be a possible place for them to drop. And as everyone knows the Drakes On The Plain quest i see has been mentioned, which i have farmed a few times for a Q8 Inscr Shadow Shield/Blade/Chaos Axe but to no luck

R7 Echovald i could not Imagine droping because of the Levels off the Enemies it drops off and a few ideas i have about drop tables/codes. I havent seen a Q7 Post-Mattu Keep ONLY drop. Havent seen a Q7 Jade Sword, Q7 Gothic Axe etc etc. Id more then love it if you could prove otherwise. As such i have a Q7 Spike Targe from before Loot Scalling if i can recall, dropped from Yeti Cave outside Boreas Seaboard, but as i said, that is a common drop round all of Cantha. This is just a theory of course but as none of us know really anything about drop codes and such, so are all of our posts without screens eh The only thing that contradicts this is the fact that Q7 Golden Phoenix Blades exist and such other stuff from further through the STORY line, but still before passing Mattu Keep. Help me out here ?

R7 Serpent Axe's as said SHOULD be possible, but as to if any exist is beyond me. Maybe a guild dedicated to running Kilroy (Sorrows) would help find a few answers As to R7 Gold ones, which im guessing dropped from the Shiver unlocked Chests? like i said, i sadly do not know. If theres a Q7 Crysta then they may of dropped. I remember seeing my friend with a Dwarven Axe that was blue, non insc and was either Req8 or 7, maybe 3-4 years ago. Did blue and white items also drop from the unlocked chests?

With max Tribal's, ive actually had a few theory's i tested recently for max drops or even a place in HM they do drop for even a chance at one. I must say ive had great success with this, and MAY of found a place or 2 they drop in HM, but cannot say and do not want to say for certain once i know and test more. The same goes for Tyrian Sickles. Although i havent had a Gold one yet of either i still.... i....hope... Carnage knows it anyhow, so he may leak info

I hope some of this info may help you on your quest for ecto-crunching items

Anyways my question is one we all want answered: Req7 MAX GOLD WEAPONS I used to own a 13^50 Q7 Long Sword. I miss it as much as i miss Guild Wars before Loot Scalling and too think about it pretty much everything after that was crap. I would like to see picture proof of one dropping, a req7 gold item that is. I would prefer for me to provide picture proof of this, but ive only had luck getting req8's with a farming spot i have which SHOULD produce max Req7's. Any info is highly thanked for

Good luck everyone in what your looking for!

I'd like anyone to approve about that treasure thing? Any screens?


There's even a req7 -2st 30hp Spiked Targe. Should have been multiple threads on guru sell. Req7 Gothic Axe can't exist as (99% sure) max. damage for req7 Canthan Axes is 6-27, I also haven't seen a req7 max. Jade Sword, Echovald or any Zodiac Items.


Besides "Commandeering a Mortal Vessel" drops there are no purple or gold inherent Tribal Axes / Tyrian Sickles /Tribal Blades and there won't be. 100% sure.

As explained in quite a lot of threads around here, req7 doesn't drop anymore. Yawg explained multiple times why I think.


jm2c

I got a Shadow Bow from one of the Treasure Chests there, thought nothing of it and merched it. It was after all a disgusting Shadow Bow xD

I know theres Req7 Spiked Targes around like that xD I was just saying i have one that dropped ages ago, which hasnt been traded around or anything, and is crap and worthless cause its -5 19% haha.

I didnt think about Tribal/Sickles falling under the same drops as Tribal Blades, which i guess is a bit dumb of me. Although i dont see how anything can be 100% unless you helped design the Drop Tables

I for one can pretty much say i have seen white Q7's drop post nerf crap. Why cant Q7 Purples or Golds drop too? Yawg gave theories into why, but like i said, none of us can be 100% certain.

You should all stop saying this CANT exist, that CANT exist, none of us can be 100% certain! Maybe its just REALLY unlucky that no one has ever got a Q7 Zodiac, maybe they dont exist, but we "cant" prove it, not 100%, maybe 99.9% but not that 0.1% that belongs to the actual people who manage and design the drop tables.

did anyone ever decide if the 15-21 Q6 cry was real