Ok, new update sounds great and everything, cant wait for embark and 7 heroes etc.... HOWEVER... the change to the LDoA title is dubious in my eyes for these reasons:
a) devalues it for everyone who has already achieved it
b) for all the POOR people who have level 18 toons in pre after death leveling for xxx hours its gonna be kinda devastating to see people catch up in like x weeks of casual play
c) ALSO all those people with lvl 18 toons in pre who lost their survivor months ago are gonna be pissed at all the new LS/LDoA toons running about!
d) Titles SHOULD be accessible to everyone
e) Titles SHOULD NOT be achievable by everyone -> this is what gives titles value etc...
I will use me as an example:
- I have NEVER and will NEVER try to LDoA (the old version), cant be bothered and dont care that much <-- I am therefore too lazy to achieve that title
- I would rather grind HA for my hero 12 than do LDoA
- someone else who sucks at PvP might be unable to get their r12 but might have the dedication to go for LDoA
Titles reflect what your interests in the game are, and visa versa your interests in the game restrict what titles you are able to achieve. Casual new players might want protector of tyria, experienced players might want legendary guardian etc....
- LDoA WAS accessible to everyone in the game (who owns prophecies)
- it was in my eyes the 1 title that required the most commitment and dedication hence severely restricting those people capable of achieving it
Thats how I and I would predict most people in the game looked at it... This update will destroy that!
For anyone that says it is WAY TO EXCLUSIVE COS ITS SO HARD well... you don't need it for GWAMM, you don't need it for 50/50 HoM so who cares if its super exclusive! This is not a suggestion to revert it cos lol it hasnt even been changed HOWEVER this is more to see whether peeps are happy with the change or not.
LDoA More Painful!
Maver1ck87
BenjZee
People weren't having fun to achieve it and it was just a mindless repetitive task. They gave the title to congratulate those who had done it and now if people are trying to replicate this then they arnt doin it for the fun of the title
FengShuiDove
It was broken. The title was an abuse in the first place.
One thing's for certain: it's NOT going to be more painful. Whether it's less "valuable" is up to you to decide, but I think the vast majority of the community, even those who already have LDoA, believe this is a step in the right direction.
One thing's for certain: it's NOT going to be more painful. Whether it's less "valuable" is up to you to decide, but I think the vast majority of the community, even those who already have LDoA, believe this is a step in the right direction.
Hobbs
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Ok, new update sounds great and everything, cant wait for embark and 7 heroes etc.... HOWEVER... the change to the LDoA title is dubious in my eyes for these reasons:
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d) Titles SHOULD be accessible to everyone e) Titles SHOULD NOT be achievable by everyone -> this is what gives titles value etc... |
Malchior Devenholm
Wait...let me be sure I heard this right...
You never went for LDoA, but you're complaining how it devalues the title...?
How about let the LDoAs speak their feelings
You never went for LDoA, but you're complaining how it devalues the title...?
How about let the LDoAs speak their feelings
MithranArkanere
a) devalues it for everyone who has already achieved it
* Nope. The value of a title is the value you give it yourself. This is not XBoX live, no one is getting points they can use to buy stuff.
b) for all the POOR people who have level 18 toons in pre after death leveling for xxx hours its gonna be kinda devastating to see people catch up in like x weeks of casual play
* So what? They'll be able to make the quests and get the title sooner themselves
c) ALSO all those people with lvl 18 toons in pre who lost their survivor months ago are gonna be pissed at all the new LS/LDoA toons running about!
* So what? They'll be able to make the quests themselves and get LS too!
d) Titles SHOULD be accessible to everyone
* Now they are!
e) Titles SHOULD NOT be achievable by everyone -> this is what gives titles value etc...
* This contradicts your own d). No matter how hard something is, anyone can make it, if they have enough time for it. The only exception would be those with some kind of physical or mental handicap, but not by design.
They are not giving the titles away, mate. You'll have to log in and work daily for them anyways.
The only difference is that now you get the titles for playing, instead for not playing.
* Nope. The value of a title is the value you give it yourself. This is not XBoX live, no one is getting points they can use to buy stuff.
b) for all the POOR people who have level 18 toons in pre after death leveling for xxx hours its gonna be kinda devastating to see people catch up in like x weeks of casual play
* So what? They'll be able to make the quests and get the title sooner themselves
c) ALSO all those people with lvl 18 toons in pre who lost their survivor months ago are gonna be pissed at all the new LS/LDoA toons running about!
* So what? They'll be able to make the quests themselves and get LS too!
d) Titles SHOULD be accessible to everyone
* Now they are!
e) Titles SHOULD NOT be achievable by everyone -> this is what gives titles value etc...
* This contradicts your own d). No matter how hard something is, anyone can make it, if they have enough time for it. The only exception would be those with some kind of physical or mental handicap, but not by design.
They are not giving the titles away, mate. You'll have to log in and work daily for them anyways.
The only difference is that now you get the titles for playing, instead for not playing.
psycore
John Stumme is entirely correct that any title in the game that is not gotten through playing the game is broken. LDoA should be about defending Ascalon not getting rolled by charr over and over.
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c) ALSO all those people with lvl 18 toons in pre who lost their survivor months ago are gonna be pissed at all the new LS/LDoA toons running about!
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Coast
we can get ldoa on toons alrdy out of pre?(or i gotte make a new toon?)
drkn
Not sure if anyone already mentioned it, but LDoA was originally added to the game in response to players hanging out in pre-searing until lvl 20. It wasn't a pre-designed title, and if it were, it would be terribly broken and stupid.
THAT late in game, with GW2 just around the corner, making titles easier to obtain is actually the best thing ANet could do.
THAT late in game, with GW2 just around the corner, making titles easier to obtain is actually the best thing ANet could do.
Rhialto Le Brave
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Not sure if anyone already mentioned it, but LDoA was originally added to the game in response to players hanging out in pre-searing until lvl 20. It wasn't a pre-designed title, and if it were, it would be terribly broken and stupid.
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LDoA was added as a reward for the first crazy person to DL and get level 20 in pre.
He did it on his own, without knowing there would be a title to reward him.
Then people reproduced the sheme to get the same title.
Killed u man
Not knowing the exact details of the update, and what will and won't be implemented, I will pissed off to a whole new level if it turns out you can, in fact, get LDoA and LS on the same character.
I got banned for that exact reason 2/3 years ago, and I believe I still have the mail in which Gaile explicitly stated the ban was the wrong measure taken, but given the situation they couldn't unban me because noone else could get LS + LDoA.
If it now turns out EVERYONE can get both titles (which is what it should've been in the first place), NCSoft can expect another shitstorm of mails.
The first kicked me in the balls by banning me for something I didn't do. (Hack the game). Then they kicked me in the stumach as I was lying down by ignoring all emails I send to them, even getting them to admit I dind't break any rules. They then took a piss on me by telling me I did, in fact, not knowingly break any rules, but they couldn't unban me because it would be unfair to other players.
Do they really have to take a dumb on me aswell by allowing EVERYONE to get those titles, but still keeping me banned in the progress?
I got banned for that exact reason 2/3 years ago, and I believe I still have the mail in which Gaile explicitly stated the ban was the wrong measure taken, but given the situation they couldn't unban me because noone else could get LS + LDoA.
If it now turns out EVERYONE can get both titles (which is what it should've been in the first place), NCSoft can expect another shitstorm of mails.
The first kicked me in the balls by banning me for something I didn't do. (Hack the game). Then they kicked me in the stumach as I was lying down by ignoring all emails I send to them, even getting them to admit I dind't break any rules. They then took a piss on me by telling me I did, in fact, not knowingly break any rules, but they couldn't unban me because it would be unfair to other players.
Do they really have to take a dumb on me aswell by allowing EVERYONE to get those titles, but still keeping me banned in the progress?
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LDoA was added as a reward for the first crazy person to DL and get level 20 in pre.
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Not knowing the exact details of the update, and what will and won't be implemented, I will pissed off to a whole new level if it turns out you can, in fact, get LDoA and LS on the same character.
I got banned for that exact reason 2/3 years ago, and I believe I still have the mail in which Gaile explicitly stated the ban was the wrong measure taken, but given the situation they couldn't unban me because noone else could get LS + LDoA. If it now turns out EVERYONE can get both titles (which is what it should've been in the first place), NCSoft can expect another shitstorm of mails. The first kicked me in the balls by banning me for something I didn't do. (Hack the game). Then they kicked me in the stumach as I was lying down by ignoring all emails I send to them, even getting them to admit I dind't break any rules. They then took a piss on me by telling me I did, in fact, not knowingly break any rules, but they couldn't unban me because it would be unfair to other players. Do they really have to take a dumb on me aswell by allowing EVERYONE to get those titles, but still keeping me banned in the progress? |
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d) Titles SHOULD be accessible to everyone e) Titles SHOULD NOT be achievable by everyone -> this is what gives titles value etc... |
the OP apparently sees some of the title changing roughly the same way I do. Some titles specifically showed a certain dedication to some aspects of the game, and I for one feel that making these titles easier to obtain does devalue the original intention of said title.
Survivor: originally showed how effective you were at playing through the game without dieing. Granted with the gimmicks people use, there were ways to get this easily, but the original meaning of the title was to not die at all.
LDoA: originally showed your dedication to the presearing aspect of the game. Yes it was a pain in the arse, but if this was your niche, then so be it.
The Survivor title track is mutually exclusive with the Defender of Ascalon title, as the only way to reach level 20 in pre-Searing is through death leveling. -- From Guild wars wiki
so much for mutually exclusive-- the fact that these 2 titles were never meant to be gained on the same toon, in my opinion, was an important factor in choosing which of these i actually wanted to gain
As noted elsewhere,[1] ANet will not reset the death count for any reason. -- from GWW
apparently they found a loophole to their own original idea. instead of resetting the death count, they just reset the experience
I find it upsetting that the original ideas behind these titles are being "reworked" for the lazier gamers out there
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I am annoyed everytime they make a title easier - who wants to play GW2 if you know that if you wait for 5 years they will have made the whole thing so easy you can do it in a week?
They should at least change the title name when they change a title so much. They should have implemented a good way of getting LDoA when the introduced the title. Changing it now is fooling no-one - got to make it easy for the attention-deficit kids to get 30/50 so they buy GW2. They should just give every char every title at creation and be done with it ^^ |
Lasai
First rule of MMOs.
Online experience may change.
Never assume anything is forever.
Online experience may change.
Never assume anything is forever.
drkn
Borat - it wasn't possible back then via normal means, only by exploiting the GH bug and getting tomes. Possibly by some other, yet bugged/exploited, means.
The fact that it will (?) be possible soon doesn't justify your actions.
IMO, no one should be banned for finding and using a non-competitive bug in game, as long as it didn't bring any real benefit or edge over other players. Getting LDoA and LS on one character never was a real issue. But if ANet judged the other way, well, no one should get suddenly unbanned.
The fact that it will (?) be possible soon doesn't justify your actions.
IMO, no one should be banned for finding and using a non-competitive bug in game, as long as it didn't bring any real benefit or edge over other players. Getting LDoA and LS on one character never was a real issue. But if ANet judged the other way, well, no one should get suddenly unbanned.
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Raven Wing
I so agree with Psycore. Legendary defender of Ascalon should be rewarded for those who have done some legendary defense of Ascalon, not by dropping dead 100k times. Each their taste, but the kind of gameplay needed to avhieve it was not to my taste, so I never even tried it, it isn´t among my 34 titles on main char.
I understand that people who struggled to get it the old way could be offended that it becomes available to more, but it was artificial from the beginnng and should have been fixed long ago. Well, the first LDOA´ers have had their time to show off a truely rare achievement already, now us mortals may be allowed to have it too, a few years after the pioneers
I understand that people who struggled to get it the old way could be offended that it becomes available to more, but it was artificial from the beginnng and should have been fixed long ago. Well, the first LDOA´ers have had their time to show off a truely rare achievement already, now us mortals may be allowed to have it too, a few years after the pioneers
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John Stumme is entirely correct that any title in the game that is not gotten through playing the game is broken. LDoA should be about defending Ascalon not getting rolled by charr over and over.
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On the other hand. It makes sense to make this title easyer to archieve for all the people who didn't have the willpower to get it before. And it makes alot of sense to kill charr instead of letting them kill us. So yeh i agree on that part.
I just hope they make the quest reward arround 300-600 xp a day to keep it fair. As most people DL arround 3-6 charr to their own lvl in a night or so. (iirc)
And i got LdoA myself. There were a couple of reasons for getting it: I liked pre-searing and wanted to have a unique title (annoying/hard one to obtain). So LdoA was the perfect one. It took me a long time to get. Maybe 60 DL sessions(?) = 2 month. But because of breaks etc. it took me a year hihi!
Nonetheless i might actually enjoy the new quests with my other pre-searing toon who is only lvl 14 right now. Who is also a necro and will enjoy the new UI
+ i love how i can add ldoa to hom without leaving pre! nice one 
MrKGado
I am confused...can someone post or explain what is going on with LDOA? I looked on the wiki but could not find where the change is mentioned.
So having seen the post above, I guess they are adding a daily quest?
So having seen the post above, I guess they are adding a daily quest?
REDdelver
Once again, some of the guru community shows trueface on how warped some of certain peoples thinking is.
Obtaining LDoA via dying all the time is NOT dedication, its an obsession. To set yourself up to die all the time so you can take advantage of what was not meant to be ...is not DEDICATION. LDoA was not intended to be that way, thus that is why they are changing it. Ever hear the info-mercial with "Set it and Forget it!"
LDoA is (at this very moment) an oxymoron. How can you be a legendary defender of something when all you ever do is die?
Its sad to see the words commitment and dedication being used to describe such an abused flaw in the game.
The only person who truely was dedicated and commited was the first person to accomplish getting lvl 20 in pre, considering everyone said it was impossible. Way after that LDoA was introduced, then it just became completely something to be abused to get because someone else did all the real work.
Obtaining LDoA via dying all the time is NOT dedication, its an obsession. To set yourself up to die all the time so you can take advantage of what was not meant to be ...is not DEDICATION. LDoA was not intended to be that way, thus that is why they are changing it. Ever hear the info-mercial with "Set it and Forget it!"
LDoA is (at this very moment) an oxymoron. How can you be a legendary defender of something when all you ever do is die?
Its sad to see the words commitment and dedication being used to describe such an abused flaw in the game.
The only person who truely was dedicated and commited was the first person to accomplish getting lvl 20 in pre, considering everyone said it was impossible. Way after that LDoA was introduced, then it just became completely something to be abused to get because someone else did all the real work.
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I am confused...can someone post or explain what is going on with LDOA? I looked on the wiki but could not find where the change is mentioned. Thanks (:
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its not on wiki yet cuz it is not yet implemented
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Borat - it wasn't possible back then via normal means, only by exploiting the GH bug and getting tomes. Possibly by some other, yet bugged/exploited, means.
The fact that it will (?) be possible soon doesn't justify your actions. IMO, no one should be banned for finding and using a non-competitive bug in game, as long as it didn't bring any real benefit or edge over other players. Getting LDoA and LS on one character never was a real issue. But if ANet judged the other way, well, no one should get suddenly unbanned. |
Ok, so if I dupe an ectos and go spam in Kamadan district 1: Giving away free ectos. Anyone accepting ectos should get banned?
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after the update later today/tonight they will be giving out missions in pre scaled to the party leaders level to allow players to gain experience towards this title. similar to the Zaishen missions/Wanted/Zaishen bounties I believe
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u use 2accounts for it and have a skill named rebirth
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one of the ways people were able to work around this was thru a bug that ANet later fixed.
Ghull Ka
I submit that a small amount of "it will make some players who already got it QQ" is acceptable in order to deliver a large amount of "it will make many players totally excited". The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the fanatical death levelers.
No sympathy to people who look at their ingame accomplishments through the prism of "it was harder for me to do than it was for you, so when you get to do it to it makes me feel less awesome". That kind of attitude will bring you nothing but pain. I suggest you drop that attitude completely.
I beat the Battle of Lion's Arch before they nerfed it, but I'm not crying about someone's new toons beating it easily in its nerfed form, and soon with 5 lvl 20 heroes.
No sympathy to people who look at their ingame accomplishments through the prism of "it was harder for me to do than it was for you, so when you get to do it to it makes me feel less awesome". That kind of attitude will bring you nothing but pain. I suggest you drop that attitude completely.
I beat the Battle of Lion's Arch before they nerfed it, but I'm not crying about someone's new toons beating it easily in its nerfed form, and soon with 5 lvl 20 heroes.
Gill Halendt
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as far as i remember (unless things have changed since i last played in pre) you do not get any hard rezzes until after going into post
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That's why people got banned. Something wrong allowed them to get both titles when it used to be impossible - if I recall correctly, he used tomes exploiting a bug that caused the Guild Hall to be accessible from the Pre-Searing for a while.
He wasn't banned "for getting both titles", but for abusing an illegitimate way to do so.
Now there's a legitimate way. End of story.
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Bingo.
That's why people got banned. Something wrong allowed them to get both titles when it used to be impossible - if I recall correctly, he used tomes exploiting a bug that caused the Guild Hall to be accessible from the Pre-Searing for a while. He wasn't banned "for getting both titles", but for abusing an illegitimate way to do so. Now there's a legitimate way. End of story. |
Gaile explicitly stated you will NOT get banned for buying tomes.
So as an excuse, they kept me banned on grounds of: "It's impossible to get both titles", but how is that of an issue after this update?
Gill Halendt
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So as an excuse, they kept me banned on grounds of: "It's impossible to get both titles", but how is that of an issue after this update?
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Anyway. It was an issue, now it's not anymore since they're providing legitimate ways (that reads: not involving bug exploitation) to achieve something you obtained illegitimately.
Dzjudz
Wasn't it like:
people who got tomes and skills etc but who had not gotten both survivor and ldoa on the same char weren't banned but forced to sear their char, and you were banned because they couldn't remove the title from the HoM?
In which case, see the underlined sentence above from Gill.
people who got tomes and skills etc but who had not gotten both survivor and ldoa on the same char weren't banned but forced to sear their char, and you were banned because they couldn't remove the title from the HoM?
In which case, see the underlined sentence above from Gill.
gremlin
I am really very sorry for those who have being death leveling for ages and are almost there or those who did get the title honestly I am really really sorry.
Ok I am over being sorry now its time to be glad because you can now get the title and survivor as well which is good news.
Time to start another character and play through the entire game again.
Good luck to everyone who goes for it.
Ok I am over being sorry now its time to be glad because you can now get the title and survivor as well which is good news.
Time to start another character and play through the entire game again.
Good luck to everyone who goes for it.
Zodiak
I have to say these changes are bitter sweet. I have been able to achieve 31 titles that I am proud to say I have gotten on my own without spending a gold piece (except for Skill Hunter of cource).
I had been trying to get LDOA off and on for years now. However I used to setup mobs of Charr and leave it for the night but when I woke up I would find myself disconnected from the game and very frustrated. I have always had the patience for LDOA but I suffer from frequent disconnects, from which not all of them I can reconnect.
I will be happy to be able to achieve this title I have been trying for so long but as many others here, I feel like the that having the title is more "about the journey, not the destination", meaning its not about the title but how you got there, that gives the title weight.
I had been trying to get LDOA off and on for years now. However I used to setup mobs of Charr and leave it for the night but when I woke up I would find myself disconnected from the game and very frustrated. I have always had the patience for LDOA but I suffer from frequent disconnects, from which not all of them I can reconnect.
I will be happy to be able to achieve this title I have been trying for so long but as many others here, I feel like the that having the title is more "about the journey, not the destination", meaning its not about the title but how you got there, that gives the title weight.
Bristlebane
*Grabs popcorn, watching the drama* .. hm wait, where's the remote..?
LDoA was a broken title, no doubt about it. Exactly how are you defending Ascalon? It's just as screwed up as someone committing suicide, then people saying "He died as a hero".
NOW.. maybe they could have created a new mutually exclusive title (like Commander/Codex title), allowing LDoA to exist for another month for anyone who wanted to finish it, and for all thoose suicide dummies who died for Ascalon 100,000 times to keep their title unaffected.
New title could have been named something like Legendary Champion of Ascalon.
Anyway, done is done and all the LDoA people just have to live with it.
LDoA was a broken title, no doubt about it. Exactly how are you defending Ascalon? It's just as screwed up as someone committing suicide, then people saying "He died as a hero".
NOW.. maybe they could have created a new mutually exclusive title (like Commander/Codex title), allowing LDoA to exist for another month for anyone who wanted to finish it, and for all thoose suicide dummies who died for Ascalon 100,000 times to keep their title unaffected.
New title could have been named something like Legendary Champion of Ascalon.
Anyway, done is done and all the LDoA people just have to live with it.
Kunder
QQ moar
I say this as a player who just got out of pre with an LDoA 1 month ago. If the new content is interesting enough (and there is no way to get back planned) then I might just delete her and do it again.
I say this as a player who just got out of pre with an LDoA 1 month ago. If the new content is interesting enough (and there is no way to get back planned) then I might just delete her and do it again.
MithranArkanere
I've heard that several people that got non-pre-Searing skills in there were 'advised' to leave pre, where that's not a problem.
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REDdelver
Anyone else want to really look at these four words ....Legendary Defender of Ascalon.
When I look at them, I see as a completely different title than just reaching lvl 20. It could simply be that you survived countless of battles defending ascalon up until the searing (going to post) or your death which ever came first....ie the upcoming quests plus all the other available quests.
IM not saying to rework it...im merely expressing my thoughts if i was in a meeting at Anet. It could be set-up just similar to the EoTN rep titles..probably not on a large scale.. and even if that were to occur then the survivor could be still separate title.
When I look at them, I see as a completely different title than just reaching lvl 20. It could simply be that you survived countless of battles defending ascalon up until the searing (going to post) or your death which ever came first....ie the upcoming quests plus all the other available quests.
IM not saying to rework it...im merely expressing my thoughts if i was in a meeting at Anet. It could be set-up just similar to the EoTN rep titles..probably not on a large scale.. and even if that were to occur then the survivor could be still separate title.
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In other words, no title in GW has ever been both accessible to all and not achievable to some. All you need to get any title in the game is a decent chunk of time. Hitting your head against a wall will eventually break down the wall (provided you don't kill yourself in the process). The change to LDoA is not meant to necessarily shorten the amount of play time needed to achieve the title (letting your computer sit for ten hours at a time with your character dying repeatedly to the Charr should not be considered playing). It is only meant to give it a proper method of acquisition, not something found through what can be seen as abuse.
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Ok, new update sounds great and everything, cant wait for embark and 7 heroes etc.... HOWEVER... the change to the LDoA title is dubious in my eyes for these reasons:
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c) ALSO all those people with lvl 18 toons in pre who lost their survivor months ago are gonna be pissed at all the new LS/LDoA toons running about!
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e) Titles SHOULD NOT be achievable by everyone -> this is what gives titles value etc...
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