So which of those 7 hero builds are working?

So I've been doing the new WoC stuff lately and my typical set up can't get past The Undercity in HM.

I'm running

3x discord necs
panic mes
inept mes
st rit
sos rit

and I'm a monk using an assassin's promise build with some prots.

What hero setup do you guys think would roll through this WoC stuff in HM? I've played with a paragon while I was doing UA, and his team of 4 energy surge heroes, SoS rit, and AotL MM made it a cake walk. Wondering if I could the same results without merc heroes and by playing just by myself with 7 heroes. Because of all the AoE and massive enemy damage in WoC, it is more about player tactics than hero builds. Although your build could be tweaked, (I would say more AoE, but thats my opinion) they should be able to do WoC.

There is a great guide floating around on how to do difficult areas with only heroes, and outlines a few basic tactics you need.

My tips are always flag, use spirits to bodyblock at corners and ball up mobs, and micro any AoE you have cuz heroes are dumb (RoJ, Panic, etc)


When I did WoC on my rit I did:

Me as a SoS rit with armor of unfeeling (so spirits can body block)
A full out St Defensive rit (shelter, union, displacement were his only spirits)
*a note about this hero, he needs extensive Microing against difficult mobs. He wont use his spirits if there aren't any enemies in his aggro bubble, even if the team is dying. If its an easy group, just flag him near the fight and he will use spirits by himself (It doesn't matter if his defensive spirits die), but if its a harder group, you have to flag him back and micro the spirits manually.
A offensive SoGM rit with some resto skills
RoJ
RoJ
Panic
Ineptitude
AotL with Aeigis/Prot Spirit

Dedicated healers are overrated IMO. The ST rit can prot better than any monk, and the two smiters and SoGM have enough heals for the team.

Hundred Blades causes scatter anyways. 100b doesn't cause scatter, MoP does however so maybe you got confused by it.

100b doesn't cause scatter, MoP does however so maybe you got confused by it. Yeah that was what I meant. HB damage is bad wihout MoP, but when used with it, it causes scatter. That is why I prefer Earthshaker in areas with heavy mobs.

Yeah that was what I meant. HB damage is bad wihout MoP, but when used with it, it causes scatter. That is why I prefer Earthshaker in areas with heavy mobs. MoP is an odd case really, from what I've seen only the target off the hex seems to scatter so at worst you would only lose the damage from MoP itself and not from 100b, Splinter and the rest.

For bogroots just make sure you bring multiple hex and condition removals. I'd bring foul feast on a MM and pure was mei ling on either a SoS or a defensive spirit pooper, particularly for Bogroots I might consider dropping a lesser condi removal on my monk too (dismiss is pretty solid). For hex removal; cure hex on a monk, convert hexes on an e/mo ether renewal prot and hex eater signet on a panic, ineptitude or energy surge mes will work wonders at keeping your team clean (hex eater might seem a bit risky due to touch range, but I don't run any melee so she's only ever in the backline and the AoE removal is super sexy when your casters are bunched). Then, as has been said, just fill the rest out with AoE damage and healing.

Be clever at pulling and you'll do fine. Thanks much, this was actually great advice. Sometimes its harder putting a team together than one may think.

I would like to know if anyone has a 7-hero team that works GREAT in FoW HM, like they have tried it and/or use it often and know it works great. I have some teams that work good, but they are slow (around 2 and a little hours). I know there are some that claim they can do it in 1:30 in Hard Mode but they don't say what skills etc!
Imo there should be a rule about if you brag about something you gotta show it xD
Thanks guys! That would be nice, I second that

Been running a whole lot of that lately. Started off with just running it to get survivor via FoW NM but now I'm using it for just about anything on my dervish. (vq, HM missions, ...) Looks like it would stand up pretty well, but I'd be concerned that you've only got one condition removal. I'd replace Blood of the Master on the MM for Foul Feast. You don't need it to keep minions alive between battles as you have Aura of the Lich and Masocism so they should have pretty high health to begin with - and if they die then they will just either explode in the enemies face or explode and create a jagged horror.

Either that or drop Pure Was Mei Ling on your Communing spirit dude for Dulled Weapon. It's great for party condi removal in a tight spot.

Ive been using the SoS, Sig of ghost, ineptitude, panic, 3 discord, im emo, and i cant do vloxen...help? Discord is meh. Bring a ST shelter rit and frozen soil on another hero or yourself to manage it better.

This what I use:

No micro needed. Just call with Stolen Speed and watch stuff blow up. How would this work with Warrior main?

Same way; just take a good warrior bar and hit stuff. The player bar doesn't do anything important in that setup really.
Take Strength of Honor though. Not true. Stolen speed is pretty essential to this setup because the nukes all have a 2-second cast time.

For a warrior, I'd replace the MoP Resto with a Stolen Speed illusion mesmer. You will need to micro Stolen Speed, but you'll get the same returns. And like Xeno said, you might want to take SoH, probably on the MM.

I am certain that Stolen Speed is less crucial than you believe. The two second casts suck, but are not devastating. I plan on trying it both ways

This what I use:

No micro needed. Just call with Stolen Speed and watch stuff blow up. And the 20 second recharge on FoC? What? I can think of 15 better elites, can you explain why FoC?

And the 20 second recharge on FoC? What? I can think of 15 better elites, can you explain why FoC? Presumably the idea is to ball everything up sufficiently so that there is enough AoE to just nuke everything at once. Recharge doesn't matter if you only need to use your skills once (which is only somewhat true, because excessively long recharges may mean the skills aren't ready before the next fight). With FoC being adjacent range, I'm not sure whether it's the best choice, especially without a melee player to ball properly (although there aren't all that many other options).

And the 20 second recharge on FoC? What? I can think of 15 better elites, can you explain why FoC? The necros are healers with a few AoE spike skills, and aren't meant to be spamming damage spells constantly. And EBSoW on the player reduces recharge times bij 30% on average, so that helps a little.

As for elite alternatives, I don't see any. It's the only necro one that does direct AoE damage and is in the same attribute line with a few other useful nukes. Revenous Gaze does the same average damage, but over a larger radius... but it's in Blood Magic, which offers no other half-decent nukes.

Of course, an ESurge mesmer or another meta nuker would do more damage, but the necro needs the resto skills and the ability to spam them.

But I'm definitely willing to improve the builds, so if you can suggest alternatives, I'd love to try them out.

Oh yeah I meant to have that on the jagged prot. Cleaned it up and fixed attributes. Also, you can run it without mercs! Well, you can if you run it as a secondary, such as an Me/E, but while that might be sticking with the spirit, it may not be ideal. Also, that looks pretty solid now. Definitely more in line with what I was thinking something like that should be. I might pop that a try as I'm curious, though I'm still fine tuning the variations on my own build lately.

Edit: Duh, Razah. You can run it without mercs. <_< My bad, I'm so used to him being a mesmer now. It slips my mind that he can change.

I play a spirit spam Rit and I only discovered today (lol) that spirits override each other.
English isn't my main language so I just wanted to clarify this phrase.

Do you mean that if your hero casts Pain (for example), and you cast Pain also, then one will override the other, one will be kept up while the other dies.

Or do you mean that a single character casting his own spirits will have some that will override the other?


Thanks.

*edit*

Also, I want to try running a discord hero build. I'm just not sure what to do with Razah. Would it be overkill to make him into a 4th discord necro? Or should I use him as a 3rd mesmer? Or is it best to just use to cookie-cutter build and make him a 2nd ritualist?

Personally I like using 3 mesmers, but if it's totally useless then there's no point using him as a mesmer.

Heres a quick team build I made using 3 mesmers. The main character build is something quick I put up just so it wouldn't be empty so ignore if it sucks, probably wont use divine boon.