RoJ is great but doesn't it make the enemies scatter everywhere? Not really.. They usually get stuck with the minions and damage from everywhere..

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Quote: Perhaps dual BR works better than one BiP, I have never tried dual BR. But it kind of defeats the purpose of bringing a BiPer in the first place. The BiPer is suppose to hang back and reduce the need to bring 2 (or more) energy management skills on each mesmer.

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Following from last post this is what I've settled on. I've just been doing some vanquishing and hard missions on this. In DoA I did normal Ravenheart Gloom. I'm not sure how it would hold up in harder places.

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I don't know about the double smiting monks. 2 RoJ on a balled up force = dead though. A defensive rit would be good I think but the minion master is a very good addition to the team. Only 2 res works with your heroes ?

Amo1

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2011

12 Oct 2011 at 12:42 - 568

I've recently come back to the game after around 5 years and am now looking to complete my HoM. I'm currently using this build:

It seems to work quite well for the content im running at the moment (normal mode nightfall missions). I've also tried 3 discord/2 mes/2 rit and this 5 mesmer build seems to be a lot faster. Any suggestions on how I can improve it?

Also I'm unsure how I'm soposed to be runing and equiping my heroes. I think I'm meant to give them spears and shields although I don't know. On runes I have no idea.

Outerworld

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2010

Gil Worz Is Srs [Bsns]

12 Oct 2011 at 13:38 - 569

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Amo1

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2011

12 Oct 2011 at 16:46 - 570

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Originally Posted by Outerworld

You don't have any Prot skills and both Empathy and Backfire are fairly underwheliming in PvE. So what would you suggest instead?

Outerworld

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2010

Gil Worz Is Srs [Bsns]

12 Oct 2011 at 18:59 - 571

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Originally Posted by Amo1

So what would you suggest instead? Depends; you could lose the Inep mesmer and bring an ST rit perhaps or maybe you could make one of the necs N/Mo and bring prot on it. While that may leave you short on healing, it would be a lot better than having to rely on the mesmers alone for damage reduction.

shanaya

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Scouts of Tyria

13 Oct 2011 at 08:50 - 572

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amo1 View Post

I've recently come back to the game after around 5 years and am now looking to complete my HoM. I'm currently using this build:

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/3...template1j.jpg

It seems to work quite well for the content im running at the moment (normal mode nightfall missions). I've also tried 3 discord/2 mes/2 rit and this 5 mesmer build seems to be a lot faster. Any suggestions on how I can improve it?

Also I'm unsure how I'm soposed to be runing and equiping my heroes. I think I'm meant to give them spears and shields although I don't know. On runes I have no idea. You say that you've been doing NM missions in Nightfall with this build.

Given that most of Nightfall NM is easily completed with old-school Sabway (3 hero/4 hench), with your 7H build you need to up the ante a bit and give it a good workout with some vanquishing or elite areas.

Then come back and tell us how you fared and you'll get some good suggestions for improvement. But before you start you could provide the casters with 40/40 weapon/off-hand sets (expensive but worth it). Superior runes on head-pieces, best vigor runes you can afford, then survivor insignia on chest and legs (though some would argue that +armor insignia are better).
Good luck!

SongOf

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

14 Oct 2011 at 09:12 - 573

Only used to get through WoC HM (probably works anywhere), slightly defensive because those Jade Brotherhood mobs are ridiculous.

Szpadyzor

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2009

16 Oct 2011 at 10:20 - 574

Pew pew?

Soryuju

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2011

22 Oct 2011 at 18:45 - 575

I've been switching up my hero builds a lot lately, but recently, this one has shown quite a bit of promise:

Basically, VoS + lots of Deep Wound to blow stuff up quickly and make life hard for enemy healers. My bar is general shutdown and nuking.

I'm learning how to run DoA at the moment, and I've successfully cleared Gloom and the City in NM (Ravenheart was easy in general, though the Margonite Anur Su's in the City were a headache with their Invoke spam). The goal is to work up to the Stygian Veil and then the Foundry, and I'm wondering if there are ways to tune up the build to give me a better chance in those areas. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

25 Oct 2011 at 03:45 - 576

This is what I have been using on my casters: http://www.gwpvx.com/User:DarkSpirit...ter_characters

EDIT: Updated link...

Lethal Primate

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2010

25 Oct 2011 at 09:38 - 577

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Originally Posted by Daesu View Post

This is what I have been using on my casters: http://www.gwpvx.com/User:DarkSpirit...ter_characters I have been running somewhat the same build (great minds think alike, do they not?). I've been using this on every elite area in HM with great success.

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

26 Oct 2011 at 03:12 - 578

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Originally Posted by Daesu View Post

This is what I have been using on my casters: http://www.gwpvx.com/User:DarkSpirit...ter_characters

EDIT: Updated link... By the way, here is the melee character version if anyone is interested:

http://www.gwpvx.com/User:DarkSpirit...lee_characters

AndrewSX

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2010

Italy, Turin

Lake

26 Oct 2011 at 07:24 - 579

Lethal Primate

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2010

26 Oct 2011 at 08:31 - 580

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndrewSX

Only thing you could change is removing nec spells from Mesmers (slotting multiple copies of FB for example) and heals from sos introducing a Bip: you get e.management for your hungry mesmers and open slots on them and rit (but you'll have a bit less dmg prolly removing a mes).
Also, ER can be swapped with ST (depending on personal preference i think) and i'm not too fond of eoe and patient, but that's all. Still working great i think. You make some interesting points but I have a reason for each and every skill in this team. Dual blood ritual on the mesmers actually works better than 1 BiP, the 1 second casting time and the (relative) low sac means they won't get a huge amount of aggro (a BiP does, which is just annoying to say the least). Weakness shouldn't need explanation, togheter with empathy it's the only anti melee I have. I realy hate taking FB in my team because it's completely useless in a fight (I'll get there soon enough, I'm not in a hurry).

I've experimented with a ST but he has major some drawbacks, first and foremost he'll run out of juice after a while. Taking a ST also means I'd have to set up spirits before each fight, I'd rather rush in. The ST has no heals (yes a spammable spike heal is realy usefull). The ER in this team is here to keep me (the imbagon) alive, the way I play this team is by pulling the mobs myself and balling them up (If I can't rush em). Even a paragon can't take an endless amount of dmg, so I need some heavy duty protection and having life attunement on me makes a huge difference (dmg dealing as a paragon is just absurd anyway). The only scenario where the ST would be better than the ER is vs huge amounts of armor ignoring aoe dmg, which even he can't hold off verry long. The idea behind this team is that it can fight for a verry long time, the ST becomes useless after a (in my opinion short) while.

EoE is awesome to spike down large mobs. The amount of energy vs the amount of dmg it can do is the reason I took it instead of another dmg spel. And patient spirit, well I went with a monk hero (insta res) and patient spirit is the most powerfull heal spell I could give him.

And yes it works great

I've been working on this build since the henchmen update.

AndrewSX

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2010

Italy, Turin

Lake

26 Oct 2011 at 09:11 - 581

-ST do have energy problems, but using a Bip (or your 2 BR) i don't see much worries.
-Aegis > emphaty as anti-melee, and is not on your ER. just saying :P
-As Imba a backup copy of PSpirit/Aegis/prots is ok, but full ER looks a bit too much imo.

BTW, all my points are mostly matter of preference/gamestyle (rush in? forget about ST...),so much more tweaks then critics.

Ardent

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2011

Hungary

Quality Before Quantity [QQ]

A/W

26 Oct 2011 at 13:34 - 582

Hey guys,

So I've been experimenting with general PvE HM/vq builds. Used discort, spiritway, emo etc. My experience is that discort is only useful with AP nuker and its single target, spiritway needs micro else rit heroes use the spirits retardedly, and emo bonder is a bit too much, kind of waste of space.

This is the build I came up with:

I am looking for some feedback on it, what I should adjust to make it better ^^.

Lethal Primate

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2010

26 Oct 2011 at 15:12 - 583

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndrewSX

). But still, maybe he's more usefull than the ER, who knows.

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

26 Oct 2011 at 15:30 - 584

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lethal Primate View Post

You make some interesting points but I have a reason for each and every skill in this team. Dual blood ritual on the mesmers actually works better than 1 BiP, the 1 second casting time and the (relative) low sac means they won't get a huge amount of aggro (a BiP does, which is just annoying to say the least). Weakness shouldn't need explanation, togheter with empathy it's the only anti melee I have. I realy hate taking FB in my team because it's completely useless in a fight (I'll get there soon enough, I'm not in a hurry).

I can also get that with the BiP at the same time using my SoS rit so the two are not mutually exclusive.

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I've experimented with a ST but he has major some drawbacks, first and foremost he'll run out of juice after a while. Taking a ST also means I'd have to set up spirits before each fight, I'd rather rush in. The ST has no heals (yes a spammable spike heal is realy usefull). The ER in this team is here to keep me (the imbagon) alive, the way I play this team is by pulling the mobs myself and balling them up (If I can't rush em). Even a paragon can't take an endless amount of dmg, so I need some heavy duty protection and having life attunement on me makes a huge difference (dmg dealing as a paragon is just absurd anyway). The only scenario where the ST would be better than the ER is vs huge amounts of armor ignoring aoe dmg, which even he can't hold off verry long. The idea behind this team is that it can fight for a verry long time, the ST becomes useless after a (in my opinion short) while. Similarly, a ER also needs some micro. If you don't micro PS, then you would be rushing in without protection also. Besides, the AI doesn't always cast ER upon recharge which leads to wasted energy. Enchantment removers can also remove the ER enchantment if you are unlucky. Having Infuse Health also draws aggro to your ER whenever he casts it. If your ER dies by drawing aggro due to sac, that would be worse for your team than having the BiPer dies. At least my BiPer has some protection from PwK. In the end, there are pros and cons with each option.

Lethal Primate

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2010

26 Oct 2011 at 17:16 - 585

@Deasu

one of the main reasons I don't take BiP is because i'd have to do without splinter weapon @14+ channeling magic, and that skill is just to good to do without.

For the ER I have both PS and SB binded to z and x so I can pre-prot both myself and the ER. If the ER uses infuse he doens't draw aggro. Because the moment someone needs infuse means that SY, heal spam and prot skills are all failing, this means he is under heavy attack. Now when the ER uses infuse the aggro doesn't shift to him but stays on his target (this is not an assumption, I've tested this a lot). The energy of the ER never seems to be a problem, he has 100 energy so if he "forgets" ER he isn't insta srewed. His enchant also doesn't get ripped all that much, (balled up mob+panic) and the mesmers draw most of the aggro.

itiscurtains

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2010

26 Oct 2011 at 18:54 - 586

Just for fun, my take on Khomet's K-Way:

Not really meant for anything too high end - I vq'ed two thirds of Tyria before getting bored.

AndrewSX

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2010

Italy, Turin

Lake

26 Oct 2011 at 19:32 - 587

^Nec orders + 4 Physic (2 volleys) = fun.

I don't see the 7th bar that energy intensive even to ask Offering of spirit tbh thought.

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

27 Oct 2011 at 02:46 - 588

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Originally Posted by Lethal Primate View Post

@Deasu

one of the main reasons I don't take BiP is because i'd have to do without splinter weapon @14+ channeling magic, and that skill is just to good to do without.

For the ER I have both PS and SB binded to z and x so I can pre-prot both myself and the ER. If the ER uses infuse he doens't draw aggro. Because the moment someone needs infuse means that SY, heal spam and prot skills are all failing, this means he is under heavy attack. Now when the ER uses infuse the aggro doesn't shift to him but stays on his target (this is not an assumption, I've tested this a lot). The energy of the ER never seems to be a problem, he has 100 energy so if he "forgets" ER he isn't insta srewed. His enchant also doesn't get ripped all that much, (balled up mob+panic) and the mesmers draw most of the aggro. That is not always the case though since enemies are not always balled up nicely every time. Once the ER casts infuse, enemies closer to the ER would be attracted to the ER. I have seen this happen before.

Sorakun

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2011

29 Nov 2011 at 11:09 - 589

First of all: Hi! I'm new to Guild Wars (Less than 6 months or so) and I'm just starting to sort of step up my game and have been looking to complete City of Torc'Qua... and it's hell!