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ChrisCo

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

[ToR]

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28 Apr 2011 at 21:00 - 241

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Originally Posted by FalconDance

Guys, I cannot find *any* update notes, there is no login announcement and when I was just at LA, there are no decorations.

What, I need to be a member of a super secret society to see these things?

you need to wait for the update ...

IattackU

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

NJ, America

The Eternal Night Vanguard [TEN]

E/Mo

28 Apr 2011 at 21:01 - 242

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Originally Posted by FalconDance

Guys, I cannot find *any* update notes, there is no login announcement and when I was just at LA, there are no decorations.

What, I need to be a member of a super secret society to see these things?

That's because no update notes, login announcements, or decorations have been made yet. There are links in this thread to where we are getting our information from though.

Edit: Wow, super ninja'd.

FalconDance

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

...deep within the sylvan splendor...

Order of the Migrating Coconuts [ALBA]

28 Apr 2011 at 21:05 - 243

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Originally Posted by Mesmers Are Bad

Update isn't live yet, this is the pregame show.

Well then, that makes me less confuzzled. Y'all have yammered for 13 pages about what might be happening later tonight.

Aba

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

Vancouver,Canada

28 Apr 2011 at 21:06 - 244

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Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 512 (369 members and 143 guests)

guess im not the only one waiting with anticipation

thedarkmarine

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

28 Apr 2011 at 21:07 - 245

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Originally Posted by Reformed

Do you remember when Sunspear/Lightbringer stopped giving favor minutes because so many people maxed on rep weekends that it topped out the counter and rolled it over? Either a lot more people visit Guru than given credit for or they can read the Wikis. It's not like these things are super secret they are right on the page.

Edit: Bah, beaten to it...

Many and majority. Learn the difference.

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz

28 Apr 2011 at 21:07 - 246

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Originally Posted by FalconDance

Well then, that makes me less confuzzled. Y'all have yammered for 13 pages about what might be happening later tonight.

No, the source is reliable.

Ghull Ka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Seattle, WA

Grenths Helpdesk

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28 Apr 2011 at 21:08 - 247

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Originally Posted by Golgotha

I hardly think the majority of GW players keep those quests active.

I hardly think the majority of GW players knew those quests were heavily farmable when they originally did them and turned 'em in.

I do think, though, that those GW players we just mentioned, when they roll a new toon, will be very likely to keep those quests active... if they remember it's farmable, that is!

Once a human has knowledge of something that makes his life easier, he'll usually do it.

ACWhammy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2009

Texas

Gold Trim Guild [gtg]

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28 Apr 2011 at 21:09 - 248

Question - based on the interview at massively, does this mean they are discontinuing adding any new minis for any reason?

Scott Ware

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2009

Texas

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28 Apr 2011 at 21:09 - 249

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Originally Posted by thedarkmarine

Many and majority. Learn the difference.

You're arguing semantics. Many and majority can both be common enough that it impacts the game. Especially one the size of GW.

Lithril Ashwalker

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2008

Alabama

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28 Apr 2011 at 21:10 - 250

we may see menzies

Golgotha

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

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28 Apr 2011 at 21:11 - 251

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Originally Posted by Ghull Ka

I hardly think the majority of GW players knew those quests were heavily farmable when they originally did them and turned 'em in.

I do think, though, that those GW players we just mentioned, when they roll a new toon, will be very likely to keep those quests active... if they remember it's farmable, that is!

Once a human has knowledge of something that makes his life easier, he'll usually do it.

Most humans don't feel the need to repeat the same task over and over.

Trying to sell the idea that the majority of GW players leave quests active to farm them is very, very tough.

Centaur

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2010

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28 Apr 2011 at 21:11 - 252

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Originally Posted by ACWhammy

Question - based on the interview at massively, does this mean they are discontinuing adding any new minis for any reason?

It doesn't mean there won't be new minis ever again. It just means that it's probably the end of new minis as birthday gifts.

MagnumShadow

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2010

Far Shiverpeaks

28 Apr 2011 at 21:13 - 253

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Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

we may see menzies

I'd love that

michielboonstra

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2008

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28 Apr 2011 at 21:16 - 254

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

No, the source is reliable.

The source is reliable.. (intimidating exciting rumbling starts)

Zenzai

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2009

N/E

28 Apr 2011 at 21:16 - 255

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Originally Posted by Centaur

It doesn't mean there won't be new minis ever again. It just means that it's probably the end of new minis as birthday gifts.

I just hope that I won't have to delete some of my established characters just to start over and try to get certain minis. 8 Characters x 5 tries each. 40 attempts every five years to get something I don't already have. I don't like those odds.

AngelWJedi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2008

orlando,florida

Society of Souls [Argh]

Rt/E

28 Apr 2011 at 21:20 - 256

so that means the discount in the shop wont happen either until the update? xD >< i really want those weddning costumes.. i only i can use my gift card i have. xD i used it once in dec. but didnt fully max it.

TomoSojiro

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

Netherlands

Scions Of Carver [SCAR]

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28 Apr 2011 at 21:20 - 257

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Originally Posted by Centaur

It doesn't mean there won't be new minis ever again. It just means that it's probably the end of new minis as birthday gifts.

I agree. There might be new Mini's like we got them in WiK. They might implement the same thing in WoC. Heck for all we know they might adjust the Urgoz & deep end chests to drop mini's like UW endchest

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

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28 Apr 2011 at 21:22 - 258

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Originally Posted by Zenzai

I just hope that I won't have to delete some of my established characters just to start over and try to get certain minis. 8 Characters x 5 tries each. 40 attempts every five years to get something I don't already have. I don't like those odds.

Sell duplicates, buy missing ones? Same as everyone.

Zenzai

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2009

N/E

28 Apr 2011 at 21:22 - 259

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Originally Posted by AngelWJedi

so that means the discount in the shop wont happen either until the update? xD >< i really want those weddning costumes.. i only i can use my gift card i have. xD i used it once in dec. but didnt fully max it.

Were the Wedding Costumes more than 5 American dollars yesterday?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dzjudz

Sell duplicates, buy missing ones? Same as everyone.

Why should I have to buy something when I can get it for free? Plus with my luck, I only get commons, not enough for a basic Bone Dragon.

TheGizzy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2010

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TeAe

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28 Apr 2011 at 21:22 - 260

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Originally Posted by AngelWJedi

so that means the discount in the shop wont happen either until the update? xD >< i really want those weddning costumes.. i only i can use my gift card i have. xD i used it once in dec. but didnt fully max it.

The costumes are already marked down in the shop. I just checked.

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

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28 Apr 2011 at 21:24 - 261

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Originally Posted by Zenzai

Were the Wedding Costumes more than 5 American dollars yesterday?

The normal price for the Heart of the North costumes are $6.99 USD.

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

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28 Apr 2011 at 21:24 - 262

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Originally Posted by Reformed

Stop being absurd...it's very common for people to hold secondaries in their logs and for good reasons.

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Originally Posted by Ghull Ka

It's very common for people to just complete quests, yup. But once they (like you, and me) learn that it's more advantageous to keep a particular quest, then they'll do that instead.

No, "they" really f***ing won't, because "they" don't care enough about farming to put off getting their reward on the off chance they decide to go back and farm a quest later. Hell, you won't even convince me that the majority of people even farm at all, let alone that they keep quests uncompleted specifically to farm.

The arrogance of some people on this forum....we are a tiny slice of the hardest of the hardcore players, and it doesn't even look like keeping quests uncompleted is a common practice among this community, and yet we have a few individuals here claiming that it's so common that these HM quests will be useless!

You gave me five examples of quests that were farmed. Five. Out of however many hundreds of quests we have. Five. And you have the audacity to claim that HM quests would be useless because people would still have all of the quests still in their logs. Really?

Do I need to go back and remind you chuckleheads that this argument started because Reformed claimed that everyone would have the Villainy of Galrath in their quest log, and so it'd be useless in HM....oh, and that no one would ever turn it in to get the rewards, because they'd want to farm it, naturally. Both parts of that claim are insane, and the cherry on top is that even if you could successfully make the claim that this one quest is worth more as a farming aid than for its reward, there is no possible way that every quest they introduce will be more valuable for farming than for its rewards.

Centaur

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2010

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28 Apr 2011 at 21:26 - 263

Yes, I think for now it's the wedding costumes on sale. Don't expect everything in the shop to go on sale, and don't expect it all to come at once. I'm expecting maybe 1 or 2 items a week for the next several weeks.

Lasai

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2009

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28 Apr 2011 at 21:31 - 264

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

No, "they" really f***ing won't, because "they" don't care enough about farming to put off getting their reward on the off chance they decide to go back and farm a quest later. Hell, you won't even convince me that the majority of people even farm at all, let alone that they keep quests uncompleted specifically to farm.

The arrogance of some people on this forum....we are a tiny slice of the hardest of the hardcore players, and it doesn't even look like keeping quests uncompleted is a common practice among this community, and yet we have a few individuals here claiming that it's so common that these HM quests will be useless!

You gave me five examples of quests that were farmed. Five. Out of however many hundreds of quests we have. Five. And you have the audacity to claim that HM quests would be useless because people would still have all of the quests still in their logs. Really?

Do I need to go back and remind you chuckleheads that this argument started because Reformed claimed that everyone would have the Villainy of Galrath in their quest log, and so it'd be useless in HM....oh, and that no one would ever turn it in to get the rewards, because they'd want to farm it, naturally. Both parts of that claim are insane, and the cherry on top is that even if you could successfully make the claim that this one quest is worth more as a farming aid than for its reward, there is no possible way that every quest they introduce will be more valuable for farming than for its rewards.

This is exactly how I feel. This minority here does not speak for the majority in so many ways, yet they assume so much.

Malchior Devenholm

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

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28 Apr 2011 at 21:34 - 265

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lasai

This is exactly how I feel. This minority here does not speak for the majority in so many ways, yet they assume so much.

IMO, let the minority scream their heads off.

Their only accomplishment is they are the minority

Plutoman

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2010

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28 Apr 2011 at 21:34 - 266

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Originally Posted by Zenzai

Why should I have to buy something when I can get it for free? Plus with my luck, I only get commons, not enough for a basic Bone Dragon.

Because otherwise you'll have to wait several more years and delete character, is why. There's also more mini's than there are character slots, so if you wanted to collect more of them you are already kind of shot. If you want the HoM points, then you'll have to buy a few.

Gotta look at the trade-offs; you'll have to either buy some or wait years. Buying some is easier and faster.

michielboonstra

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Join Date: Oct 2008

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28 Apr 2011 at 21:36 - 267

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zenzai

Why should I have to buy something when I can get it for free? Plus with my luck, I only get commons, not enough for a basic Bone Dragon.

thats retarded, so you say you would rather create a new character and wait 5 years then playing the game a bit more intense maybe even in the form of farming to get a minipet you want?
Great economic insight you have there

Reformed

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2009

28 Apr 2011 at 21:39 - 268

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

Reformed claimed that everyone would have the Villainy of Galrath in their quest log, and so it'd be useless in HM

Actually this is something you just made up.

I asked why it wouldn't be redundant to have hard-mode-quests when you could simply have run the quests toggling hard mode, or can you now do both. Rewards is an acceptable answer but for the ones that matter people don't collect them anyways.

A few posters insisted that only a small minority of people hold secondaries which is ridiculous. Sunspear, Lightbringer and Norn all have the fastest maximums on failure to complete or abandoning-for-repeat on a secondary quest. They are well known about, not secrets and certainly not only for 'hardcore players'.

Zenzai

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2009

N/E

28 Apr 2011 at 21:43 - 269

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Originally Posted by Plutoman

Because otherwise you'll have to wait several more years and delete character, is why. There's also more mini's than there are character slots, so if you wanted to collect more of them you are already kind of shot. If you want the HoM points, then you'll have to buy a few.

Gotta look at the trade-offs; you'll have to either buy some or wait years. Buying some is easier and faster.

I've already bought 75k in minis last year just to fill in the 'full status'. I don't want to buy any more dammit.

You also have to note that fewer people will be deleting their own characters. If more minis aren't added later on as birthday gifts, the prices of existing years will go up in price and be a bigger problem to obtain. I don't care if they recycle the presents, but they have an economic spot to fill.

michielboonstra

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2008

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28 Apr 2011 at 21:44 - 270

define hardcore player - a player that does more then just play the normal storyline maybe twice or thrice with a different character and then stops? or..?

mage767

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USA

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28 Apr 2011 at 21:50 - 271

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Originally Posted by michielboonstra

define hardcore player - a player that does more then just play the normal storyline maybe twice or thrice with a different character and then stops? or..?

Someone who has multiple GWAMMs, stacks of ectos, ............and never stops...

Lasai

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2009

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28 Apr 2011 at 21:55 - 272

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reformed

A few posters insisted that only a small minority of people hold secondaries which is ridiculous. Sunspear, Lightbringer and Norn all have the fastest maximums on failure to complete or abandoning-for-repeat on a secondary quest. They are well known about, not secrets and certainly not only for 'hardcore players'.

Oh yes, assume everyone does this. Then, turn right around and tell everyone that Norn, Sunspear, Lightbringer titles are worthless.. along with every other farmable title, as is so often done here.

The two attitudes go hand in hand. Its the same attitude that somehow validates telling people that anything they have trouble doing is "lol that is faceroll easy".

This forum, as with all game forums, is a small slice of a big pie.

Centaur

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2010

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28 Apr 2011 at 21:59 - 273

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zenzai

You also have to note that fewer people will be deleting their own characters. If more minis aren't added later on as birthday gifts, the prices of existing years will go up in price and be a bigger problem to obtain. I don't care if they recycle the presents, but they have an economic spot to fill.

Actually, I don't agree. There is still a large amount of new accounts (new accounts and new characters are still being created on a daily basis), and there are plenty of people out there with characters that are 2, 3 or 4 years old (and several of those people don't care about the minis themselves and just want to sell them). So the amount of minis on the market will still continue to grow.
Besides, you can always buy a few more character slots (soon to be on discount...)

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

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28 Apr 2011 at 22:00 - 274

Why is there no thread about the birthday stuff with Razah, online sales, and all of this crap?

Took me forever to find it all.

St??phane Lo Presti

ArenaNet

Join Date: Apr 2010

Seattle

28 Apr 2011 at 22:01 - 275

A quick update: as you may have seen, the in-game and NCsoft store sale are already live. This sale will have one or more items on sale per week, for a duration of six weeks.

The 6th Anniversary build will be published in 2 parts. The first live build will bring all the build features except the Mutual Friends List, and we will also publish the 6th Anniversary announcement on the website at that point, with all the details of this event. A second in-game build later today will push the Mutual Friends List.

We really appreciate your patience on this and we wish you a happy 6th Anniversary!

Polgara Val

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

TSR

Mo/Me

28 Apr 2011 at 22:03 - 276

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stéphane Lo Presti

A quick update: as you may have seen, the in-game and NCsoft store sale are already live. This sale will have one or more items on sale per week, for a duration of six weeks.

The 6th Anniversary build will be published in 2 parts. The first live build will bring all the build features except the Mutual Friends List, and we will also publish the 6th Anniversary announcement on the website at that point, with all the details of this event. A second in-game build later today will push the Mutual Friends List.

We really appreciate your patience on this and we wish you a happy 6th Anniversary!

Thanks Stéphane, appreciate the update.

Pol

Reformed

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2009

28 Apr 2011 at 22:04 - 277

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lasai

Oh yes, assume everyone does this.

1. Log in to Guild Wars
2. Press F10
3. Type in 'lightbringer rank'
4. Scroll down to acquisition

It gives a detailed explanation of what to do through the game's own help feature and the official wiki complete with a map. There is nothing elitist about this.

RedStar

Wilds Pathfinder

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28 Apr 2011 at 22:04 - 278

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A few posters insisted that only a small minority of people hold secondaries which is ridiculous. Sunspear, Lightbringer and Norn all have the fastest maximums on failure to complete or abandoning-for-repeat on a secondary quest. They are well known about, not secrets and certainly not only for 'hardcore players'.

They are known because those quests where introduced to everyone who had never heard of them :
-for A Show of Force and Requiem for a Brain : during the Double Sunspear & Lightbringer points Weekend events
-for Path to Revelations : with Ursan (And now, with the reputations weekends).

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Originally Posted by Reformed

Would you like more examples ?

Except the last quest, I didn't know that the others were kept by some persons. They are farming quests, there are almost no reasons for a farmer to tell everyone those quests (except if they are his friends).

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

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28 Apr 2011 at 22:04 - 279

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stéphane Lo Presti

The 6th Anniversary build will be published in 2 parts. The first live build will bring all the build features except the Mutual Friends List, and we will also publish the 6th Anniversary announcement on the website at that point, with all the details of this event.

Oh no. Two parts?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stéphane Lo Presti

A second in-game build later today will push the Mutual Friends List.

You scared me there for a second. For a minute I thought we were going to have to wait several days for that portion of the update ^_^

AngelWJedi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2008

orlando,florida

Society of Souls [Argh]

Rt/E

28 Apr 2011 at 22:05 - 280

its true i dont keep all the quests on my log to farm them. but i do for some and others i keep until i 3 more in the same zone to save me time. xD

and i got my costume! xD weee now my girls look even better now. xD and we match with my guy's male chars.