It has come to my attention that certain guilds are farming strong boxes in GVG, some are resigning, others are facing themselves, many times its red letting blue kill the guild lord or resigning. Also, intentionally lossing to get a low ladder ranking.
Currently there is only a 2 minute restriction before strong boxes can spawn.
Nerfing cheatway would prevent this abuse.
Couple factors that should be part of the solution
-rank
-pattern
Solution would be an invisble farming code, since pve awards are now in pvp the farming code should be carried over
Heres how it will work...
Farming Code will only apply to low rank guilds
Farming Code will gradually kick in for the strong box....based on a formula set up by anet
first it will remove possible rare drops like everlasting tonics and minipets
then it will start removing the better drops and so on until all thats left is the worst possible drops.
The formula will track time in match, resigns, frequency of matches, and so on.
I would also like to hear alternative suggestions if you have any.
Thanks
Nerf GVG Cheatway
melissa b
Bright Star Shine
So, people are farming an item that has a 1/1000 chance to give something nice, and you're complaining?
Personally, I don't see the problem, if they want to waste their time doing so, be my guest, it's not helping them. If they decide to immediately resign, sure, ok the opposing team won't get a strongbox, but they'll get some Balth fact and rating goes up. Also, I don't see this being done in mAT's, so there isn't really such a big problem imo, unless I'm missing something vital here..
Personally, I don't see the problem, if they want to waste their time doing so, be my guest, it's not helping them. If they decide to immediately resign, sure, ok the opposing team won't get a strongbox, but they'll get some Balth fact and rating goes up. Also, I don't see this being done in mAT's, so there isn't really such a big problem imo, unless I'm missing something vital here..
lemming
The OP didn't explain it very well, but there's definitely a problem with what's going on.
We're talking about guilds being tanked through resigning every ladder match until about 700 rating, then the guilds being used to sync against each other for boxes, presumably hundreds of them per day.
Same principle as champ syncing, really, except this would be even more invisible if not for the ladder reset.
We're talking about guilds being tanked through resigning every ladder match until about 700 rating, then the guilds being used to sync against each other for boxes, presumably hundreds of them per day.
Same principle as champ syncing, really, except this would be even more invisible if not for the ladder reset.
Still Number One
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Originally Posted by lemming
The OP didn't explain it very well, but there's definitely a problem with what's going on.
We're talking about guilds being tanked through resigning every ladder match until about 700 rating, then the guilds being used to sync against each other for boxes, presumably hundreds of them per day. Same principle as champ syncing, really, except this would be even more invisible if not for the ladder reset. |
Given A.Nets track record though, I assume they will simply say there isn't enough evidence and will do nothing.
Bright Star Shine
Ok, what lemming said makes more sense... Although I wouldn't call it "cheatway" cause it's kind of confusing..
Only thing that would work against that is a ban hammer imo. But like said above, Anet probably can't be arsed to do anything about it...
Only thing that would work against that is a ban hammer imo. But like said above, Anet probably can't be arsed to do anything about it...
lemming
In principle, champ syncing was just as easy to identify, though. Look through the ladder records of all guilds between ~100-180 and it really wasn't hard to pick out the offenders.
Felt like a pretty big crapshoot whether or not NCSoft support would take it seriously, though.
Felt like a pretty big crapshoot whether or not NCSoft support would take it seriously, though.
Sauron The Greatest
So GvG has its own "red resign" now, it should meet the same fate as HB and get the axe imo.
Remove GvG from the game.
Remove GvG from the game.
melissa b
Ok now that we have established its a problem, how do you feel about farming code for low rank guilds described in op. Also, do you have other proposals?
Bright Star Shine
Anet probably won't admit that there is anything wrong with their new reward system, just as they refused to admit they did anything wrong in the past, at all.. They wouldn't even admit if they unrightfully banned someone. So I don't immediately see them admitting that their new reward system is in any way flawed... They'll probably try to ignore it to death tbh...
UnicornStampede
Whatever anet does (if they do anything) shouldn't be too drastic cuz gvg will go back to 10pm est dead time.
solution to this: Make it so you can't resign before 2 minutes (or longer), so when the syncers aren't fighting the other sync guilds, it would take a lot longer for them to go in another match.
solution to this: Make it so you can't resign before 2 minutes (or longer), so when the syncers aren't fighting the other sync guilds, it would take a lot longer for them to go in another match.
Killed u man
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Originally Posted by Sauron The Greatest
So GvG has its own "red resign" now, it should meet the same fate as HB and get the axe imo.
Remove GvG from the game. |
Essence Snow
Removing gvg is a bit much...but a mass ban of all those using match manipulation (a banable offense) to do this would be hilarious. Also they would need to remove the 1win per box ...after all thats what's making the farm possible
lemming
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Originally Posted by melissa b
Ok now that we have established its a problem, how do you feel about farming code for low rank guilds described in op. Also, do you have other proposals?
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1. removing boxes
2. not handing out boxes to victories over guilds <1000 rating
3. banning the perpetrators
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Originally Posted by Sauron The Greatest
So GvG has its own "red resign" now, it should meet the same fate as HB and get the axe imo.
Remove GvG from the game. |
Swingline
I said it the first day that they should remove strongboxes from the reward system. They should just put them on the Zaishen Gold Coin vender. 1 gold coin seems like a fair price, this way even pve players have access to them.
ErrantVenture
Make it a requirement that the winning team has at least 1000 rating to get a strongbox. Problem solved.
Artisan Archer
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Originally Posted by ErrantVenture
Make it a requirement that the winning team has at least 1000 rating to get a strongbox. Problem solved.
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mathiastemplar
Setting a req to get boxes is a bad idea. So is removing the boxes.
This was meant to encourage more people to play GvG.
Idea:
Dishonor system for resigning.
Resigning within one minute could give 100 minutes of dishonor.
Resigning within 2 minutes = 90 minutes of Dishonor.
And so on.
After 5 minutes (maybe more) no dishonor should be given for resigning.
This should only apply to Rated and Daily GvGs.
This could ofcourse be combined with other methods (such as banning etc).
This was meant to encourage more people to play GvG.
Idea:
Dishonor system for resigning.
Resigning within one minute could give 100 minutes of dishonor.
Resigning within 2 minutes = 90 minutes of Dishonor.
And so on.
After 5 minutes (maybe more) no dishonor should be given for resigning.
This should only apply to Rated and Daily GvGs.
This could ofcourse be combined with other methods (such as banning etc).
FallenAngel_
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Originally Posted by Swingline
I said it the first day that they should remove strongboxes from the reward system. They should just put them on the Zaishen Gold Coin vender. 1 gold coin seems like a fair price, this way even pve players have access to them.
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WiK was for PvE, Dungeons was for PvE.
PvP hasn't really received many updates, let them have what was given to them.
UnicornStampede
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Originally Posted by lemming
Far too much effort for something that has easier fixes such as, well,
1. removing boxes 2. not handing out boxes to victories over guilds <1000 rating 3. banning the perpetrators oh u |
2. No reward for casual guilds
3. doesn't do anything with ppl with multiple accounts.
again, Make it so you can't resign before 2 minutes (or longer), so when the syncers aren't fighting the other sync guilds, it would take a lot longer for them to go in another match.
Or even make it you can't resign before 5 minutes, and if you leave you get dishonor. A lot less people would be abusing it if you have to wait 5 minutes if you don't face a sync guild if you're a syncer.
megaheadshot
the way i see it they should make it so you cant face the same guild winthin 24 hours of the previous match. if ppl make several guilds spot them then ban them.
edit: and make it so it costs more to make a guild so that you cant make any profit off "farming" this way
edit: and make it so it costs more to make a guild so that you cant make any profit off "farming" this way
Jeydra
How about this: lower the rating of a new guild to 900, and make the minimum rating of a guild 900 (i.e. you don't lose rating if you lose your guild's first GvG match).
Chocolate_Prayers
Or remove all items except Party/Sweet/Alcohol from the GvG strongboxes 
lemming
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Originally Posted by UnicornStampede
1. GvG goes back to dead
2. No reward for casual guilds 3. doesn't do anything with ppl with multiple accounts. again, Make it so you can't resign before 2 minutes (or longer), so when the syncers aren't fighting the other sync guilds, it would take a lot longer for them to go in another match. Or even make it you can't resign before 5 minutes, and if you leave you get dishonor. A lot less people would be abusing it if you have to wait 5 minutes if you don't face a sync guild if you're a syncer. |
2. Make the rating slightly lower, or something. It's not a complete solution either way, though - there'll be plenty of time for them to sync during American hours anyway, when the relatively high rating won't matter for matchmaking.
3. Yeah. It'll cut into their margin of profit at best.
There's already a moratorium on resigns, btw. Resigning before 2 minutes doesn't give the other team boxes.
Icy The Mage
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Originally Posted by UnicornStampede
1. GvG goes back to dead
2. No reward for casual guilds 3. doesn't do anything with ppl with multiple accounts. again, Make it so you can't resign before 2 minutes (or longer), so when the syncers aren't fighting the other sync guilds, it would take a lot longer for them to go in another match. Or even make it you can't resign before 5 minutes, and if you leave you get dishonor. A lot less people would be abusing it if you have to wait 5 minutes if you don't face a sync guild if you're a syncer. |
Jet
Should've seen this coming a mile away. You add a chest that can drop rare stuff, of course there are going to be RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing losers who will tank rating to get the chest or "farm" it. What arenanet should do is remove this lame attempt to try to encourage players to pvp. If you need some encouragement to play pvp, then your not cut out for it and should not play it. You play pvp because you like it not for some lame chest.
Elnino
People are supposed to want to get higher up in the ladder. Introducing a rank requirement for the boxes will only reinforce this.
I agree with this logic.
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Originally Posted by Sauron The Greatest
So GvG has its own "red resign" now, it should meet the same fate as HB and get the axe imo.
Remove GvG from the game. |
melissa b
I do like the rank requirement suggestion as an alternative to mine. Casual pvp players will always have Random Arena Strong Boxes.
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About hb removal, the whole rr must delete thing, it may have been an excuse to delete it
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About hb removal, the whole rr must delete thing, it may have been an excuse to delete it
Kunder
Go ahead and scale the drops based on the rating. If you beat a low level guild, you get a strongbox with low rewards. Beat a high level guild, get a strongbox with higher rewards. Lets see how many people farm it when there is 0% chance of striking it big and all you get are a handful of ales for your time.
Missing HB
The only way to fix low rating syncing a bit would be to make it so you can't go below 975-1000 ladder points..... However , will it really stop people from farming chests , that's the question...
But , once again , what is done for people syncing codex easily + getting chests easily ?? what is done for people farming HA dead hours easily ??
But , once again , what is done for people syncing codex easily + getting chests easily ?? what is done for people farming HA dead hours easily ??
Swingline
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Originally Posted by FallenAngel_
It was a PvP update, directed towards... PvP. There is no purpose aside from spreading availability to everyone.
WiK was for PvE, Dungeons was for PvE. PvP hasn't really received many updates, let them have what was given to them. |
cataphract
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Originally Posted by Sauron The Greatest
So GvG has its own "red resign" now, it should meet the same fate as HB and get the axe imo.
Remove GvG from the game. |
And I wholeheartedly agree.
SkittlesOmg
make it 1300 rating and higher
nologic
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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine
Anet probably won't admit that there is anything wrong with their new reward system, just as they refused to admit they did anything wrong in the past, at all.. They wouldn't even admit if they unrightfully banned someone. So I don't immediately see them admitting that their new reward system is in any way flawed... They'll probably try to ignore it to death tbh...
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Anet only made PvP more rewarding. If people are resigning in GvG like RR day they are just bad players who doesn't deserve it.
Players who abuse the system should be banned.
Swingline
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Originally Posted by nologic
Well they havent done anything wrong this time, it's the player base that are doing it wrong.
Anet only made PvP more rewarding. If people are resigning in GvG like RR day they are just bad players who doesn't deserve it. Players who abuse the system should be banned. |
cataphract
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Originally Posted by nologic
Anet only made PvP more rewarding.
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I have four gwamms and 50/50 hom but can't emote a tiger or dragon. This update makes me want to have pvp rewards for my pve.
papryk
add a condition to get the strongbox: u must kill the Guild Lord.
Elnino
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Originally Posted by papryk
add a condition to get the strongbox: u must kill the Guild Lord.
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Blue side = say "happy RR"
Won't change anything I'm afraid.
papryk
then raise the time to 5 minutes + add the "kill guild lord" condition.
i dont think that ppl who rr will wait such amount of time + fighting
or even better...
just delete strongboxes as a reward from winning in any pvp format and make them like z-keys exchangeable @ tolkano for 5k faction
problem solved
i dont think that ppl who rr will wait such amount of time + fighting
or even better...
just delete strongboxes as a reward from winning in any pvp format and make them like z-keys exchangeable @ tolkano for 5k faction
problem solved
FoxBat
5 minutes is enough for a decent guild to roll a bad one, no sense in punishing a team for doing so. Plus the resign farming is still faster.
Any in-match thing you think of will be worked around and cause more problems for legitimate games. A solution must be implemented outside the matches themselves.
Any in-match thing you think of will be worked around and cause more problems for legitimate games. A solution must be implemented outside the matches themselves.
sthpaw
can you guys please confirm, after a long 28min game winning on lord damage, why is it that these strong boxes do not appear for the winner? was it just a once off glitch cause of that i thought u needed to kill the guild lord.