Make Zei Ri available after NM WoC

Here's the problem with the "laziness" tag. No one does these anymore. I've been in Senji's Corner all day and looking for a group, and NOT ONE PERSON, is doing the same mission as me (Free Birds). I saw earlier ONE person looking to get into a much earlier quest. My alliance has no one currently doing the WoC quest chain. Maybe if they were repeatable we could get others to help out for just the reward or I could at least just play the final mission. I want to play all of WoC but apparently I'm the only one.

So all you guys that grouped up and rushed through, and now call the rest of us lazy, how about putting your money where you mouth is, and help some people working their way though.

Actually unlock Zei Ri does not make sense in the story, because it's HM and you did nothing extra about him, he chose to betray Reiko and help you?

I've posted the suggestion to remove the NM requirement from the HM quests to the wiki, since it doesn't make sense to be forced to do them twice. Doing all the quests twice for the two heroes doesn't make sense either, but it wasn't my idea. Feel free to post that suggestion to Feedback if you'd like anyone at ANet to see it.

I'm sure then most of the people won't even bother to do some quests, especially those 4 men quests in part 1.

whats that smell.... oh its old elitism, but this one stinks more than all others

what i mean is: peopel find HM easy, so others should also find it easy
noone is the same, noone is perfect

if you enjoy doing em on HM, do em on HM, asking for a better reward while at same time also asking for something harder = asking for 2 rewards = greedy

i've seen people retry HM stuff over and over, and some even could help me with it
but now i was surprised to see so many people not even thinking about HM, as its hard enough on NM (which it is)

and the "you have to do something i find easy, or else you dont get what i got" is just selfish

i'm already waiting for help with NM right now, found noone here, but i did find 1 person on GWO forums, who helped me through alot

now i'm 1 of the weaker players (prolly) as i cant move, react and think fast enough to even do NM normal GW stuff
but so many people who already hated WoC NM... and even now people who did it HM, dont think about those people who cant do it (whether being slow or lazy or anything), it makes the community worse
(which is reason i wont buy GW2.... the community, like you can see here)

/signed and /agreed, as this is already insane on NM, and HM is simply put beyond insane
i mean, when i even started HM, i saw people walking like its nothing, through HM, but those people quit the game, as they done everything, then came back for WoC NM and HM, but didnt even bother or finish HM, as it was way too much

listen people: if you think something is easy, it does NOT mean its easy to everyone, especially WoC

ps. i wont buy GW2 but i wont even bother the elona content which Anet may give us later, no thx

about the hero: sins can be good, if Anet gives them much better AI, and many people here may know by now that melee hero AI is real bad (like walking almost outside of the compass while not even target calling, as i've had that many times), and since they are bad, its a useless reward, which is why people rather see the rit one also coming on NM

not so weird after all, eh?

I would like to see that. At my previous estimate of 25 hours each (which was quite conservative), 250 hours would be insane. Thats enough time to go from 0 to max in both Luxon and Kurzick titles and get nearly halfway in the chest hunter/lucky title. Could easily get all 3 with time to spare taking into account weekend bonuses.

You didn't mention anything about speed.

It will take a lot of time, since I'm also getting Guardian in all those 10 characters, by doing the daily ZM with all of them.
Well, two of them already have them, and others have this and that mission already done, so it's just 6..8 daily ZMs.

But it will be done. Eventually.

The problem with removing the NM requirement for HM quests is it will be incoherent with every other HM quest in existence: all HM quests right now require the NM equivalent to be completed, see Villainy of Galrath and the Titan Quests, so they either change them all - which is fine with me - or let them all as they are.

Still, I think this is the best suggestion on this topic so far.

Bad idea. WOC might be boring I doubt it will be that hard.

Darn, this topic is still alive?
Please Anet ignore these crybabies.
If you cannot do WoC on NM thats not because I am an elitist, its because you are RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing terrible.

Every standard meta build rolls WoC in NM.
Even terrible builds with skills I would never touch roll WoC NM.
Anet already catered to all of your crying by nerfing Tracking The Corruption in HM ( I will be fair however, this one was indeed challenging and I understand if people had trouble with this one.

Guild Wars is always marketed as a tactical game, where you had to think about what skills to bring, meaning that it was never meant to c-space.
WoC is endgame content, meant to be played after all the other NM and HM challenges.
Its easy to cry for nerfs/calling others elite because you are to lazy to learn new builds or tactics.

With the nerf to Tracking, nothing stands in your way to get Zei Ri, all other storyline WoC quests are doable as long as you don't leeroy in and expect things to drop just like that ( and to be honest, even that works most of the time on NM and HM. Hell, I even saw someone getting through NM and a large portion of HM using a build with 2 warrior heroes with rebirth and all heroes having 1-2 superior runes).

Stop calling the people who want to keep the challenge elite.
Instead of asking for a nerf so you can mindlessly faceroll it, become better.
If I can do it, any of you can do it in both NM and HM since I am terrible in the first place.

I am by no means an "elite" player and finished off hm back on Monday. I am just a casual player that played a couple hours a day from Sat.-Mon. I feel Zei Ri joining my team for completing hm was very acceptable. The only problem area I had was "There Goes the Neighborhood" after a few tries I looked at the wiki for advice and got through it. Yes quite a few parts were difficult but got them done none the less.

I really didn't understand why "Tracking The Corruption" was "re-balanced" since I had more difficulty in other areas. I don't use mercs just heroes with builds I found at pvx.

It seems to me that people who are complaining want to be able steam-roll through all HM content with the greatest of ease. To me that defeats the purpose of HM. Really Zei Ri is not needed in your party to complete any other content in any campaign of GW (were you not able to complete anything before WoC?)

If Zei Ri was to become the reward for nm then HM would be near pointless to even do. As of now I have no plans to take my other characters through WoC, although if Anet were to make HM available to all characters on the account after one character completes NM I would probably go ahead and take a couple of other characters through (kinda like how the campaigns are set up to where you can go into hard mode as long as you're lvl 20 and one of your other characters has completed the campaign).

So to sum it up I feel Zei Rei should remain as a HM reward.

Ya'll don't read do you? If you had read, you would have noticed that it's not about the difficulty! It's about the amount of effort/time it takes to get through 70 quests for 2 heros. In the same amount of time one can gain every other hero in the game and then some. Again in case you didn't read...it's not about the difficulty, merely the length.

since you don't read:

As I mentioned in my post I played about 2 hours a day for 3 days that's 6 hours which imo isn't much time for a reward that is acquired through a HM chain of quests. That is also why I made the steam-rolling comment because it seems (I may be wrong) that ppl such as yourself want to just fly through the content for the end reward w/o earning it. Most heroes are just handed to you because they are needed for various quests/missions. In the case of the others It helps with getting some in other classes. With the amount of heroes handed to you is it really detrimental to the game if a couple aren't freely handed out or after about 5 minutes of nm questing.

Also in the case of raza you have 17 missions and roughly 40 quests (for Elonian characters) wouldn't that count as quite a bit of time?

would also like to add that this guy is right! and I could of kicked myself for not doing the HM parts that were already out prior to the third/final release of WoC (due to what I felt at the time was not worth the rewards) and I still stand by my opinion that Zei Ri should be for those who spent the time in HM (in my case 6 hours which still seems fair).

You don't need Zei Ri.
Yes, it takes a lot of effort and time to get him.
So a Rit hero is an appropriate reward for the people who invest their time into getting him.
Think its too much work?
Then you don't want him that bad.
Should we make Razah more easy to get as well?
You need to do all of Nightfall to get him, is that too much for you as well?
More effort yields better rewards, a basic thing in almost all games.
Sure its long, but you will have accomplished something in the end.
Following your reasoning we should make GWAMM easier to get because it takes "so much time to obtain".

I notice some people saying it takes too much time.... 6 months to complete the first 2 parts in NM and HM, where were you for that 6 months? The reality of the situation is this: 7 quests in NM and 7 in HM for a whopping total of *gasp* 14 Quests!!!! oh noes its the end of the world... Guess what, deciding at the last moment to do things is YOUR OWN FAULT. If you decided to wait to see if the rewards were worth while, I guess you lost out, because NOW instead of 14 quests you have 70, seems a bit silly to blame the devs for last minute rushing doesn't it?

Not everyone is going to have done everything up to start of part 3 on every toon they have. Again..I really hate to keep repeating this...but if it were a one time deal..then yeah it's fine as is....but since this is a game where we have more than 1 character....it really does start taking way too long. I have already gotten Zei Ri on 3 toons and I am working on my 4th.....have ya'll gotten it on more than 1? If you have done multiple toons then you start to realise how long it really becomes.

As a matter of fact, I also have him on 3 Toons and working on my 4th.
After the 4th, 3 characters await.
Meaning I will do WoC 7x in total ( total being both NM and HM).
I am not complaining, because if you want something nice, you will have to work for it.

Well to you i don't have much I can say......you're an oddity much like me, just with different view on this...most others are only focusing on 1 time through.

/unsigned
WoC HM is real challenge.
And it should be.
In my opinion even making these quests easier (that's what ArenaNet did in last update) is bad.
I've completed WoC NM+HM at one time (mission in NM, then same mission in HM) in a week or so and I didn't play all day to do it.
And if there wouldn't be such good reward for HM (like rit hero) it would be easier to do WoC NM on 3 characters to get same rewards as for doing it NM+HM on one character.

I'm really sorry if I made any language mistakes, my englisch isn't best.

Make Zei Ri available is not going to affect the challenge.

It still took the same time, just you finish part 1 and 2 early.