This thread is so full of person A assuming X and then person B saying that anet are stupid because they implemented X....
If have GW Guru and Wiki open in the background and open the gift with a char with Y in its name I have larger chance of getting a banana in the gift....but if I stand in Embark dancing while opening it i have bigger chance of getting an orange...
This is too much speculation and talk and make believe.
I would like to see a thread called "What did you get from your 7th year present"
and that thread should only contain observations with screens. No wild unsupported theories.
What did you get from your 7th year birthday present?
Raven Wing
Our Blood
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Originally Posted by yitjuan
Why can't people just trust the wiki on this issue
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The day you start believing everything that is on a Wiki page is the day you lose your critical thinking
Pyrthas
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Originally Posted by Missing HB
would have satisfy everyone...
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Motoko
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Originally Posted by Our Blood
Sorry but there is a reason why teachers tell you not to use Wiki(pedia) pages as official sources to write a paper.. anyone can post anything on there..
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Use the hell out of wiki and then if you need sources for class - make a few up.
Missing HB
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Originally Posted by Pyrthas
Ooh, can you tell me how to predict every single player's preferences?
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I'm not seeing everything in the moon, but it's quite obvious, looking at forums and reactions in game, that this 7th year gift isn't appreciated..
Pyrthas
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Originally Posted by Missing HB
it's quite obvious, looking at forums and reactions in game, that this 7th year gift isn't appreciated..
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Ramei Arashi
That they once again failed to make a min pet based on paragon is what I don't appreciate.
Martin Alvito
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Originally Posted by Gladiator Motoko
This mode of thinking always ticked me off. Yes anyone can edit the wiki. However, what you add to the wiki must be verified through sources or proof. If I wrote Rihanna is a a tranny on her wiki. You can bet it would be taken down with in 5 minutes. So in case you happen to come across some moment of time someone has modified the information and it hasn't been returned to its original state in those few minutes, you are using the best unbiased information out there.
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The problem isn't so much bias as the quality of the content. Crowdsourcing is great for applications that are time-intensive and can be carried out by unskilled labor, but becomes bad if you require expertise that only a few people possess.
jazilla
I got my present and sold it for ectos. As I am officially done with my HoM, what was the point of going for something we don't know exists or not. The problem for me is this: In past years, we knew what all the minis were by the 28th. This year we are going off a quote by Mr. Stumme, and as of yet have no proof that anything new is dropping. The weird part is that people are usually so accommodating with info and also want to brag about what they got. I have sen none of that this year which totally goes against what has gone down in the past. I would rather get the ectos from the gift at this point, than gamble on a mini that may or may not be there and has a crazy low percentage of dropping even if it exists at all.
UnicornStampede
even if someone got a mini panda, it would be stupid for them to announce it publicly because it would drastically decrease its price.
Motoko
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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito
Here's the problem with that argument: it works great for heavily trafficked items such as Rihanna, but collapses the moment you start talking about a spot that doesn't get a ton of visitors. What's worse is that when you start talking about the concepts that academics care about, the people qualified to review a wiki page's take on something simply don't visit it.
The problem isn't so much bias as the quality of the content. Crowdsourcing is great for applications that are time-intensive and can be carried out by unskilled labor, but becomes bad if you require expertise that only a few people possess. |
Back on topic:
Wur dat sephen yeer mini pet ??
choppergrumbles
Should I change the wiki page back for Mini Vizu, 'cause the proof is extremely vauge
Olle
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Originally Posted by choppergrumbles
Should I change the wiki page back for Mini Vizu, 'cause the proof is extremely vauge
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*Untill we get a legit screen of the text "You recieved a miniature [insert rare miniature here], we should let the pages be*
Gabs88
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Originally Posted by yitjuan
Why can't people just trust the wiki on this issue and leave it be. It's obvious that pandas don't drop from 7th birthday presents. Trust me on this.
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| John Stumme has stated that "there are some minis that are not repeats from the presents of previous years - they're just rare |
And we don't know whether or not pandas drop. But we have unconfirmed reports that other asian miniatures such as Oni and Naga drops from the gifts.
Chieftain Alex
I'd appreciate if some of you got down off your high war-horse and just appreciated that given Stummes' comment, its likely that there is at least one rare mini in a birthday gift, which may or may not be a mini vizu. Evidence is guaranteed to be sparse given few players have characters 8 years old, are going to take a screenshot of the correct line, and know to post it here.
Also lol if you think guru is the primary source of info :>
Also lol if you think guru is the primary source of info :>
Valdimir
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Originally Posted by Chieftain Alex
I'd appreciate if some of you got down off your high war-horse and just appreciated that given Stummes' comment, its likely that there is at least one rare mini in a birthday gift, which may or may not be a mini vizu. Evidence is guaranteed to be sparse given few players have characters 8 years old, are going to take a screenshot of the correct line, and know to post it here.
Also lol if you think guru is the primary source of info :> |
This is the type of thing that can affect the price of extremely rare things, and without confirmation, we shouldn't believe every random person jumping on the bandwagon saying, "Look guys, i got a rare minipet."
If we can accept his proof as true, then I got an entire wintergreen weapon set from my Birthday Present. I have like 100k and 5e in the bank, so obviously i'm not rich enough.
Mavy
I opened four: White rabbit, King Adelbern, Oola, Bone Dragon
Ethos N F
To me.. This Vizu deal is the same as the Panda incident, with only a screenshot of which didn't include the mini being unded or dedicated. With a brief conversation on a wiki talk page.
Hindsight says: Wait until a developer with authority shines light on the matter. Patience young grasshopper.
Hindsight says: Wait until a developer with authority shines light on the matter. Patience young grasshopper.
Swingline
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Originally Posted by Ethos N F
Hindsight says: Wait until a developer with authority shines light on the matter. Patience young grasshopper.
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drkn
Here's a crazy idea - instead of reselling your presents, as many people do, and then reselling them even further, simply open them. If 100 presents were issued, i'd bet that only ~30 were opened, with others waiting for 'confirmation of new pets' or being sold for ectos; and then the new owners still either wait on them or sell them for a bit more.
Gondrakif
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Originally Posted by John Stumme
There are some minis that are not repeats from the presents of previous years - they're just rare.
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They have added minis like Mallyx, Gwen Doll, Peacekeeper Enforcer, Confessor Dorian, Evennia, Dhuum, Polar Bear etc to the 7th year presents but the chance of getting them is the same as getting them from their respective gifts/chests.
Since that chance is really low and there aren't that many presents around it would explain why there haven't been (m)any drops.
esthetic
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Originally Posted by Gondrakif
Here's a theory:
They have added minis like Mallyx, Gwen Doll, Peacekeeper Enforcer, Confessor Dorian, Evennia, Dhuum, Polar Bear etc to the 7th year presents but the chance of getting them is the same as getting them from their respective gifts/chests. Since that chance is really low and there aren't that many presents around it would explain why there haven't been (m)any drops. |
Missing HB
Like i said, there are some facts :
- many players refuse to open their gifts ( because they don't wanna be disappointed, they want to be sure there are rare minis in, etc...)
- many players didn't open the gift yet, or because they don't play( but there are as many 7th year as there were 6th year last year...)
But well, you usually, for anything, can see the tendancy in the first estimates .. If noone got a " rare " mini in the first days, either there are none, either the drop rate is very very low...
- many players refuse to open their gifts ( because they don't wanna be disappointed, they want to be sure there are rare minis in, etc...)
- many players didn't open the gift yet, or because they don't play( but there are as many 7th year as there were 6th year last year...)
But well, you usually, for anything, can see the tendancy in the first estimates .. If noone got a " rare " mini in the first days, either there are none, either the drop rate is very very low...
Mordiego
Has anyone of the permanent Kamadan AD1 citizens actually observed an increase in number of asian minis walking around?
David Moonbow
well that can be mere coincidence cause if u take for example the number of onis been sold in kama i have sold 7 onis within the last 3-4 days and i had a thread here about a month or 2 ago showing a pic with number of onis i had. and like that i also know some ppl selling nagas they have had for sometime. so can be coincidence or maybe traders been traders who knows 
and my reason for selling is i want a whole number like 10-20 dont like to be inbetween
and my reason for selling is i want a whole number like 10-20 dont like to be inbetween
MithranArkanere
Look to me that they've added an unlimited source for all these limited miniatures that cannot be obtained in the game anymore.
I always though that no item in the game should have a limited source. No matter how rare it is and how slow new items are created, the possibility of a certain kind of item being deleted and used up and never existing again should not exist, unless it's a bugged item, or created by an exploit.
Even for collector items like the CE miniatures I would add something like a "Digital Deluxe" update that gives the items to your account, but making them customized like the Imp summoning stone and the preorder weapons.
I always though that no item in the game should have a limited source. No matter how rare it is and how slow new items are created, the possibility of a certain kind of item being deleted and used up and never existing again should not exist, unless it's a bugged item, or created by an exploit.
Even for collector items like the CE miniatures I would add something like a "Digital Deluxe" update that gives the items to your account, but making them customized like the Imp summoning stone and the preorder weapons.
Martin Alvito
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well that can be mere coincidence cause if u take for example the number of onis been sold in kama i have sold 7 onis within the last 3-4 days and i had a thread here about a month or 2 ago showing a pic with number of onis i had. and like that i also know some ppl selling nagas they have had for sometime. so can be coincidence or maybe traders been traders who knows
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The piece of evidence that would be conclusive would be a large number of observations of rare minis outside the hands of the usual suspects. That hasn't happened yet. In the absence of that, or the second-best option of a video/screenie with the needed elements from someone the community deems trustworthy, everything's speculation right now.
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I always though that no item in the game should have a limited source. No matter how rare it is and how slow new items are created, the possibility of a certain kind of item being deleted and used up and never existing again should not exist, unless it's a bugged item, or created by an exploit.
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All I ask is stable expectations, and ANet has done a remarkably poor job of providing them during this game's run.
jayson
I recieved a mini Water Djinn for my 7th.
Separ
I sold 2 7th Year Birthday presents for 25e (12.5 each).
Dayquil
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Originally Posted by Separ
I sold 2 7th Year Birthday presents for 25e (12.5 each).
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esthetic
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Originally Posted by Dayquil
/cry I would have bought those SO FAST!!! lol
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i <3 Milka
I brought 3 gifts for 90e and i got a mini marley,jora and AND!!! a bruning titan!!
Damn, thats the way i like it! NOT!
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Found another gift for "cheap" 15e and finally i pulled my kirin xD!
Damn, thats the way i like it! NOT!
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Found another gift for "cheap" 15e and finally i pulled my kirin xD!
Mintha Syl
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Originally Posted by i <3 Milka
I brought 3 gifts for 90e and i got a mini marley,jora and AND!!! a bruning titan!!
Damn, thats the way i like it! NOT! |
eskerod
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Originally Posted by Gondrakif
Here's a theory:
They have added minis like Mallyx, Gwen Doll, Peacekeeper Enforcer, Confessor Dorian, Evennia, Dhuum, Polar Bear etc to the 7th year presents but the chance of getting them is the same as getting them from their respective gifts/chests. Since that chance is really low and there aren't that many presents around it would explain why there haven't been (m)any drops. |
Minis which are Anets/Guildwars normal drop/handout can drop in the 7'th birthdays presents. And there are rare minies to get here.
Minis which are handed out by other (magazines/promotions) or reprecent championship rewards dont drop in the birtsdaypresents.
So no new asian minies or pandas ect
yitjuan
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Originally Posted by UnicornStampede
even if someone got a mini panda, it would be stupid for them to announce it publicly because it would drastically decrease its price.
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Oni-Claire
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Originally Posted by Dayquil
/cry I would have bought those SO FAST!!! lol
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or wait 2 more week and u can have two and i said two! 7th year present from me with 100% kirin chance for only 22e
just for you kirin lover!!
obv sarcastic
tenderpoison
So what I understand so far is that Anet is actually mocking the 7 years old players. Apparently in their twisted minds that's like the ultimate goal for a 7 years old player : getting a mini Kirin. RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO, yeah! The hell with those panda lovers! The hell with everyone that thought about getting a mini Cynn or an EL Cynn or whatever. You're all getting mini Kirins! Ha!
MithranArkanere
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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito
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Which would be fine as long as everyone was on the same page about this from the start. Every time the devs introduce additional copies of items with finite supply, it screws over the people presently holding those items. You can't call that justice; it's simply pandering to the masses. All I ask is stable expectations, and ANet has done a remarkably poor job of providing them during this game's run. |
GW doesn't have a real market, since only a small collective actually bothers to trade regularly.
Those really bothered by such instability are so few that it doesn't amount to a real problem.
I expect GW2 having much less of these problems thanks to an actual trading system being added from the start.
This kind of problem would really matter, since everyone would be affected, as everyone is included in the economy via the trading system, even those that do not spend much time in cities and outposts.
By the way, I still want my Xunlai Marketplace, ANet. I won't stop wanting it until it gets added to GW1, even if the servers go down and all.
Thot
For me it's not a trading system issue but a lack of information on how things works. I know anet politics is to let players discover by themself and have the surprise. Sometimes it's fun, like looking for Nicholas on Monday, but most of the time it's frustrating, and for 7th birthday it's an epic fail !!
Imho, we should have a complete list of drops with %, the first day a present is introduced in game, in the game update log. That way everyone would know what is best for them, and not only the happy few who have connections or are better informed and who makes huge profits in limited time.
Couldn't we make a poll to know if a majority of players prefers to discover by themself or to know what's going on ? Maybe it's too late for this birthday, but that could avoid similar disappointment in the future.
Imho, we should have a complete list of drops with %, the first day a present is introduced in game, in the game update log. That way everyone would know what is best for them, and not only the happy few who have connections or are better informed and who makes huge profits in limited time.
Couldn't we make a poll to know if a majority of players prefers to discover by themself or to know what's going on ? Maybe it's too late for this birthday, but that could avoid similar disappointment in the future.
Olle
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That way everyone would know what is best for them, and not only the happy few who have connections or are better informed and who makes huge profits in limited time.
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If someone gets it, people who have connections are going know it before us "normal" players do.
I dont see how hard it could be for Jhon to spend one minute for us, just telling us WHAT type of mini it is, we really dont need to know that the new minis are X,Y and Z, but he should explain it alot better.