I think the ones who offended deserve a perma ban. There is no "but I did it for the first time". Just no, don't do it, ever.
For those that got banned and are innocent: Anet fail-streak still prevails. Seems like almost all things they do to GW are there to harm. Even those that should be good (banning hackers, working against syncers) have more bad side effects than good ones. It's pathetic and makes me sad and angry at the same time.
Anyone else just got a perma ban?
fadekill
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I think the ones who offended deserve a perma ban. There is no "but I did it for the first time". Just no, don't do it, ever.
For those that got banned and are innocent: Anet fail-streak still prevails. Seems like almost all things they do to GW are there to harm. Even those that should be good (banning hackers, working against syncers) have more bad side effects than good ones. It's pathetic and makes me sad and angry at the same time. |
Fair enough but in the past this would have just been a timed ban. Just sayin.
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Keyez
Any of you who have suffered legitimate grievances due to the banwave contacted the Better Business Bureau? There was a rumour going around years ago that if the BBB asked them to jump off a cliff, anet would
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urania
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Honestly any type of lawsuit isn't a terrible idea. You may think it is a "troll attempt" or a "joke" but look at the logic of the move:
ArenaNet clearly has no interest in putting resources in to GW1. That is clearly shown by the lack of support responses the community has seen. Filing a lawsuit would cost ArenaNet money to handle. This is a guess, but I would think that it would be money they have zero interest on wasting on GW1. It seems like it would be easier and cheaper just to undo the ban work than actually deal with a lawsuit. (I personally don't know how the lawsuits would work - if you would have to file in Washington state or your residence state) And as far as those spending the money, time, and effort on the lawsuit? Why fault them? They obviously are passionate about this game and the time/efforts they have spent before this point. The type of people that will go great lengths to get the job done, no matter the cost, no matter how great a challenge - Those are the people I like. The ones mocking and quitting and emo-ing it up? Those types are easily forgotten. |
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Instead of spending time worrying about who I am Dumb(u know the rest) do the real work....
http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1020708...s-Manage-Fraud Mr. FAT ARSE AKA shazbawt is introduced at 11:20 The funny people on this thread are the Arse Kissing ANET Groupies... I am on the BANNED Side... People that have played this game for 5 - 8 years are getting perma banned... where 30 - 90 day ban would have been the appropriate punishment! Don't u think... |
whoru
If you didnt wanna get permad maybe you shouldnt have done illegal things but thats none of my business
MaxBorken
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I use multilaunch for the storage of my Magmas collection & can say that the bans are not for multilaunch alone. It might be a combination of multilaunch & pvp'ing perhaps?
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Max
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ITT:
1. Botters, hackers and syncers get banned.
2. Botters, hackers and syncers claim they didn't bot, hack and syncm, and ban was unjust.
3. Botters, hackers and syncers finally admit they did bot, hack or sync, or other users prove they did.
4. Botters, hackers and syncers cry about how unfair it is that their user license was terminated, after breaking the END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT (EULA).
5. Botters, hackers and syncers start flinging verbal diarrhea in all directions, hoping to achieve some sort of solace in this cheater massacre.
6. Botters, hackers and syncers decide to play the victim card again, claiming they will sue ANet for enforcing the rules they set and said players agreed to.
7. Botters, hackers and syncers either chicken out or lose court case and are forced to pay ANets legal fees???
Get out the popcorn boys and girls, this just gets better and better.
1. Botters, hackers and syncers get banned.
2. Botters, hackers and syncers claim they didn't bot, hack and syncm, and ban was unjust.
3. Botters, hackers and syncers finally admit they did bot, hack or sync, or other users prove they did.
4. Botters, hackers and syncers cry about how unfair it is that their user license was terminated, after breaking the END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT (EULA).
5. Botters, hackers and syncers start flinging verbal diarrhea in all directions, hoping to achieve some sort of solace in this cheater massacre.
6. Botters, hackers and syncers decide to play the victim card again, claiming they will sue ANet for enforcing the rules they set and said players agreed to.
7. Botters, hackers and syncers either chicken out or lose court case and are forced to pay ANets legal fees???
Get out the popcorn boys and girls, this just gets better and better.
phat34
Some either work for ANET, and thus defend them to the hilt.
Some Still Kiss Arse to people that work in the security department!
Some are such big GW2 Groupies and still post in GW1 Threads!
No matter how u look at it - its less players - playing in an already too dead and old engineered game... and if you don't understand that your too stupid to even post in my opinion. U might as well go to your your local mall and patronize a security Guard. When the drop of players and sales show on the 2015 gw1 report they will be looking for new jobs or departments to work at... Cause money is the bottom line and they already forgot about GW1 players... try writing a support ticket... lmao. Most of the people that got banned feel like it was a favor - and it will help us explore the wide new world of better games out there and skip over GW2 cause the owners CAN NOT BE TRUSTED! Mark my word. The programers from GW1 are long gone... but BET they can't program a trade option... Oh that would take too much REAL security and Real Coders to write... I almost forgot. Its not easy like adding content. The botting community was huge and some of there biggest dollar players hence some over 10 accounts... buying extra storage panes and the whole shabang. Good luck getting matches in PVP with the ridiculously low limits they set and lack of players... at least when the bots were their u could get consistent matches and run from bots till u learned how to defeat them, (Hint: most of them never chased too well...)
Some Still Kiss Arse to people that work in the security department!
Some are such big GW2 Groupies and still post in GW1 Threads!
No matter how u look at it - its less players - playing in an already too dead and old engineered game... and if you don't understand that your too stupid to even post in my opinion. U might as well go to your your local mall and patronize a security Guard. When the drop of players and sales show on the 2015 gw1 report they will be looking for new jobs or departments to work at... Cause money is the bottom line and they already forgot about GW1 players... try writing a support ticket... lmao. Most of the people that got banned feel like it was a favor - and it will help us explore the wide new world of better games out there and skip over GW2 cause the owners CAN NOT BE TRUSTED! Mark my word. The programers from GW1 are long gone... but BET they can't program a trade option... Oh that would take too much REAL security and Real Coders to write... I almost forgot. Its not easy like adding content. The botting community was huge and some of there biggest dollar players hence some over 10 accounts... buying extra storage panes and the whole shabang. Good luck getting matches in PVP with the ridiculously low limits they set and lack of players... at least when the bots were their u could get consistent matches and run from bots till u learned how to defeat them, (Hint: most of them never chased too well...)
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you just keep telling yourself that, kid. Whatever makes you sleep better at night.
I got a better idea, how about you get outside for the first time in 4 years and go smell the roses. Maybe get a little vitamin D. It might do you some good.
Darcy
I would just like to point out that these same conversations took place every time ArenaNet banned people - lawsuit, BBB, screaming on other forums, etc. Nothing came of any of it. It's nice that you have guru as a place to let off steam, but all that will happen in the end is nothing. Some accounts will get restored, but most won't.
I'm sorry for anyone who was banned in error, but none of this is new. The EULA covers ArenaNet very well in the case of blocked accounts. It has always been up to the player to prove a mistake was made.
I should also point out that Multi-Launch and/or Texmod on their own will not cause a ban. They have been used since their inception without any problems. The problems occur when you use such a mod to bend the rules.
Lastly, do NOT spread the ban complaints into other guru forums. If you post in another thread, keep to the OP topic.
I'm sorry for anyone who was banned in error, but none of this is new. The EULA covers ArenaNet very well in the case of blocked accounts. It has always been up to the player to prove a mistake was made.
I should also point out that Multi-Launch and/or Texmod on their own will not cause a ban. They have been used since their inception without any problems. The problems occur when you use such a mod to bend the rules.
Lastly, do NOT spread the ban complaints into other guru forums. If you post in another thread, keep to the OP topic.
Sardaukar
Well throw me on the pile of banned accounts.
Here's my story. Judge for yourselves whether the ban was appropriate.
I have many accounts. I used to use 2 computers to trade or even run mules to outposts or do quests.
Then, after discovering GWx2, I decided to run 4 accounts. Again, to trade, run mules to different areas (LA to SJM) or to do quests.
This is all I've done for the past 5 years. Right now I can't participate in CNY. If I could I'd be running 4 accounts through each quest.
What's strange as well is that only some of my accounts are banned, while others are not.
Anet's lack of transparency has been frustrating over the years. So it came as a shock that while I was playing on Thursday, I came to find my main account as well as others banned on Friday.
Especially in light of what Anet's stand on GWx2 has been.
From http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...counts_at_Once
"Here is the general answer: We do not support the use of third-party programs for Guild Wars. This includes programs that allow a player to simultaneously play multiple Guild Wars accounts on a single computer. However, we do not take action against those who do so as long as they do not engage in cheats, exploits, or other breaches of the User Agreement or Rules of Conduct. Keep in mind that the use of third-party programs is strongly discouraged and we cannot offer support if you develop problems as a result of their use. -- Gaile 21:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)"
So is there anything ban-worthy that you can see in my activity?
Thanks!
Here's my story. Judge for yourselves whether the ban was appropriate.
I have many accounts. I used to use 2 computers to trade or even run mules to outposts or do quests.
Then, after discovering GWx2, I decided to run 4 accounts. Again, to trade, run mules to different areas (LA to SJM) or to do quests.
This is all I've done for the past 5 years. Right now I can't participate in CNY. If I could I'd be running 4 accounts through each quest.
What's strange as well is that only some of my accounts are banned, while others are not.
Anet's lack of transparency has been frustrating over the years. So it came as a shock that while I was playing on Thursday, I came to find my main account as well as others banned on Friday.
Especially in light of what Anet's stand on GWx2 has been.
From http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...counts_at_Once
"Here is the general answer: We do not support the use of third-party programs for Guild Wars. This includes programs that allow a player to simultaneously play multiple Guild Wars accounts on a single computer. However, we do not take action against those who do so as long as they do not engage in cheats, exploits, or other breaches of the User Agreement or Rules of Conduct. Keep in mind that the use of third-party programs is strongly discouraged and we cannot offer support if you develop problems as a result of their use. -- Gaile 21:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)"
So is there anything ban-worthy that you can see in my activity?
Thanks!
BadOwnZu
It's ban worthy because Shazbawt has deemed it ban worthy. Whether if he's right or wrong, It's ban worthy in his eyes
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cosyfiep
sorry to hear about that...our bench is getting full. (and I have had little sleep since my ban--sorry I really DO care a lot about the game that I have put a LOT of time and MONEY into--if they had just shut it down that would have been fine, sad but fine). And yeah, which accounts they left and which ones they closed--it feels more like rolling the dice than guilty/innocent.
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Lawsuits are definitely being filed. A few of my friends are putting together a nice class action suit which you all will hear about shortly. This isn't the way to run a business in America, not sure how other governments will react. Banning over 1000 members without even so much as a press release is the height of stupidity IMHO. If someone breaks a rule, proof needs to be presented and a formal e-mail. Chargebacks should also be coming their way.
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"we do not take action against those who do so as long as they do not engage in cheats, exploits, or other breaches of the User Agreement or Rules of Conduct. "
And here you go people, proof that you can not be banned by using GWMultiLaunch and that you probably did something you aren't aware of. "Support" is not the same as "bannable offence".
phat34
GWMultiLauch is a 3rd party program bud... and yes u can get banned for using it... I know a few friends that didn't BOT but got banned for using it as a matter of fact... It can be used to gain an unfair advantage - if u know how that is... and in America you can sue for what ever you like... their EULA is open to interpretation and if you bring suit they need to defend it.. how they interpret it and what the jury decides are too different things!
Defending it cost money and resources! Class Action! Look it up! If you feel like your certain inalienable rights have been violated you have civil court! Google Much?
Defending it cost money and resources! Class Action! Look it up! If you feel like your certain inalienable rights have been violated you have civil court! Google Much?
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GWMultiLauch is a 3rd party program bud... and yes u can get banned for using it... I know a few friends that didn't BOT but got banned for using it as a matter of fact... It can be used to gain an unfair advantage - if u know how that is... and in America you can sue for what ever you like... their EULA is open to interpretation and if you bring suit they need to defend it.. how they interpret it and what the jury decides are too different things!
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You feel like guild wars has taken away your inalienable rights from the Constitution? Your inalienable rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Guild wars hasn't taken away your right to life seeing as you are still alive. It hasn't taken away your right to liberty seeing as you are a free person. And it hasn't taken away your right to the pursuit of happiness either, but perhaps your complaining mindset has. You really gotta get out more dude. You realize this is a video game. There is a whole other world outside, with people...
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sorry to hear about that...our bench is getting full. (and I have had little sleep since my ban--sorry I really DO care a lot about the game that I have put a LOT of time and MONEY into--if they had just shut it down that would have been fine, sad but fine). And yeah, which accounts they left and which ones they closed--it feels more like rolling the dice than guilty/innocent.
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Just wish there was a Third Party GW1 server/client developed by now, I would fire up my own server then for close friends. Including you.
ACWhammy
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Nekodesu
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GWMultiLauch is a 3rd party program bud... and yes u can get banned for using it... I know a few friends that didn't BOT but got banned for using it as a matter of fact... It can be used to gain an unfair advantage - if u know how that is... and in America you can sue for what ever you like... their EULA is open to interpretation and if you bring suit they need to defend it.. how they interpret it and what the jury decides are too different things!
Defending it cost money and resources! Class Action! Look it up! If you feel like your certain inalienable rights have been violated you have civil court! Google Much? |
Oh yeah, and trying to alter the exe file is against the EULA, so if you do that, good luck with your "lawsuit".
inb4 #notallamericans #wowyoureracistagainstmywhiteamericanness #imoffended
Toxon
I got banned. But i did not bot. I use multi launch for months, which i think is allowed according to: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:Light_and_Peace
And recently i use my Logitech G105's macro for /age and /resign, and some directly keys like scroll enemy button or select players button. Can anyone tell me is this considered as bot?
Now worst till, it seems like GW ban all my family account accounts. kinda sad as we were thinking to have fun with the Cathan new year celebration together.
And recently i use my Logitech G105's macro for /age and /resign, and some directly keys like scroll enemy button or select players button. Can anyone tell me is this considered as bot?
Now worst till, it seems like GW ban all my family account accounts. kinda sad as we were thinking to have fun with the Cathan new year celebration together.
Smoke Nightvogue
Sorry, but this isn't a place where things like that are actually told, for that, you'd have to address The Guild Wars Support. We're simply not in a position to pass judgments or advocate a certain user's behavior, it's not what ordinary customers are able to have influence on in any form.
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Sorry, but this isn't a place where things like that are actually told, for that, you'd have to address The Guild Wars Support. We're simply not in a position to pass judgments or advocate a certain user's behavior, it's not what ordinary customers are able to have influence on in any form.
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BlackTerror
yeah I am pretty sure macros aren't allowed; my friend told me because I wondered same thing a long time back.
Smoke Nightvogue
You're welcome. On a more personal sight, I'd choose to avoid anything which involves character automation, as things like that are most-likely auto-tagged as suspicious behavior within the game's logs. If you feel like you could spend an additional 10 seconds clicking a certain thing here & there, it's better to do it rather than put yourself into the risky situation of being flagged as a scripter.
On a more personal sight, I'd choose to avoid anything which involves character automation, as things like that are most-likely auto-tagged as suspicious behavior within the game's logs. If you feel like you could spend an additional 10 seconds clicking a certain thing here & there, it's better to do it rather than put yourself into the risky situation of being flagged as a scripter.
Darcy
I have never been blocked so I don't have any specific answer to offer. I do know that in the past some accounts have been unblocked after the owner contacted support.
Remember that if you are not the original owner of the account, you are out of luck. ArenaNet EULA does not allow for sale/transfer of accounts. You need to know the registration information to prove ownership.
If the account is blocked and you are the original owner (or have all the info) contact support. If you get nowhere with support after three days, you can try contacting Gaile Gray who is still with the company. She is the final resort for support issues. You might need to join the guildwars2 forum for that contact. She has a thread where you post your ticket number & info for unresolved issues.
Remember that if you are not the original owner of the account, you are out of luck. ArenaNet EULA does not allow for sale/transfer of accounts. You need to know the registration information to prove ownership.
If the account is blocked and you are the original owner (or have all the info) contact support. If you get nowhere with support after three days, you can try contacting Gaile Gray who is still with the company. She is the final resort for support issues. You might need to join the guildwars2 forum for that contact. She has a thread where you post your ticket number & info for unresolved issues.
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Ranger From Uw
According to the mail i received from the support, multi launch or texmod have NOT been taken into account as third party program. So you can't be banned because of that. But that's what they are pretending.
If we really knew all the specific reasons which made some of us banned, i think we would be even more mad. They are probably banning for stupid things which 5 years ago would have been nothing or just few hours of ban.
If we really knew all the specific reasons which made some of us banned, i think we would be even more mad. They are probably banning for stupid things which 5 years ago would have been nothing or just few hours of ban.
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According to the mail i received from the support, multi launch or texmod have NOT been taken into account as third party program. So you can't be banned because of that. .
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I sent in a ticket regarding this 11 days ago and have yet to hear a response.
Ranger From Uw
The interesting part in french :"Certains joueurs pensent que leurs comptes ont été clôturés, car ils ont utilisé des logiciels tiers tels que TexMod ou Guild Wars Multi-Client. Nous n'avons pas clos les comptes des joueurs ayant utilisé ces programmes car, dans leur forme originelle, ils n'octroient aucun avantage aux joueurs. Cependant, les utilisateurs des comptes clos le 14 janvier 2015 avaient recours à des programmes conçus pour leur donner un avantage significatif en terme de jouabilité, ce qui constitue une violation de notre Accord d'Utilisateur."
Which means : some ppl might think that they got banned because of multi launch or textmod but we didn't because originally that kind of programs does not give any advantage in the game. But those banned during the banwave did use some programs which gave them an advantage and that is against eula.
Which means : some ppl might think that they got banned because of multi launch or textmod but we didn't because originally that kind of programs does not give any advantage in the game. But those banned during the banwave did use some programs which gave them an advantage and that is against eula.
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The interesting part in french :"Certains joueurs pensent que leurs comptes ont été clôturés, car ils ont utilisé des logiciels tiers tels que TexMod ou Guild Wars Multi-Client. Nous n'avons pas clos les comptes des joueurs ayant utilisé ces programmes car, dans leur forme originelle, ils n'octroient aucun avantage aux joueurs. Cependant, les utilisateurs des comptes clos le 14 janvier 2015 avaient recours à des programmes conçus pour leur donner un avantage significatif en terme de jouabilité, ce qui constitue une violation de notre Accord d'Utilisateur."
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In relation to Texmod and multi-launch: "Because in their original form [these programs] offered no advantage to players."
Original form?
It also says "those banned had used programs which gave them a significant advantage in terms of gameplay" in the last sentence. Perhaps running an alt through the campaigns, or gate-monkeying yourself etc did count towards the ban, but that is a clear reference to bots.
Max
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Ranger From Uw
For me original form means the original aim which was transfering money or stuff from one account to another acc. And for the second part for me they are telling " those banned used programs" insinuating not the same programs and more especially bots
cosyfiep
...or if you run your alts thru quests and such you can now be seen as using a bot? SO that would mean that running is now a banable offence???? (or its ok to run other people thru quests, just not your own accounts...because you can been seen as botting or getting some 'advantage' that people who dont have extra accounts do not have?????)
MaxBorken
That's not what I was saying Cosy. There have been allusions in this thread to running alt accounts etc being bannable, but the translation is clear in its reference to programs that have a significant advantage. That can only mean bots.
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cosyfiep
yes, but it can "interpreted" that you are gaining an advantage that other players do not have since they may only have one account.
MaxBorken
Then we're all doooooomed
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yes, but it can "interpreted" that you are gaining an advantage that other players do not have since they may only have one account.
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Do people who volunteer for overtime at a company get paid the same amount of money as those who don't? Of course not! They have the freedom and incentive to do the extra work so they get paid more. Is that unfair to fellow employees who can't or don't want to work the overtime? Absolutely not!
And by "farming" I don't mean botting. I mean running the quest chain through with a main and 3 mules. You're doing all the work, accepting quests, running to outposts, finishing quests and getting the rewards on each account. No automation. Even if it's 4x the amount of reward that another person with one account gets, you paid for that ability when you bought the accounts. Anet took the money, so why should the player be punished with having to run the quests individually? Even w/o GWx2 you could do it with more than one account with more than one computer.
Before GWx2 I had 4 towers and 2 monitors with KVM switches and ran 4 clients. Was that wrong?
cosyfiep
you could still be seen as 'botting' since you are probably not moving those other accounts around while actively doing the quest with one (or two) of them. So you log on with account one (who will be doing the quest), and accounts 2-4 are also logged in and just sit at the start of where ever....at the end of the quest you either have one of them move back into the outpost or resign? Those alt accounts could be easily taken at bots since they are doing the same activity the whole time. Rinse and repeat with more characters/accounts....then you are really looking like a bot! And if you are getting a run, you are really not doing any keyboard or mouse work so ---you are a bot!!!!
At which point in time load of folks are going to be considered bots and banned for it. Then good luck trying to PROVE to anet that you are NOT botting. (you are the one that will have to do the proving, they have already convicted you and executed sentencing).
(see where this is going?)
So dont use alt accounts for anything other than transferring funds, never play on more than one account at a time--you are botting then since you can not possibly work more than one computer at a time!! (and as the banner said, there is NO legitimate reason to have more than one account anyways).
so yes, Max --the rest of you are all doomed if you have more than one account.
At which point in time load of folks are going to be considered bots and banned for it. Then good luck trying to PROVE to anet that you are NOT botting. (you are the one that will have to do the proving, they have already convicted you and executed sentencing).
(see where this is going?)
So dont use alt accounts for anything other than transferring funds, never play on more than one account at a time--you are botting then since you can not possibly work more than one computer at a time!! (and as the banner said, there is NO legitimate reason to have more than one account anyways).
so yes, Max --the rest of you are all doomed if you have more than one account.