Woman gamers?

I think that is true...now. However, years and years ago, when most GW players were just little swimmers, and Ultima Online was just coming out I think things were different! Games have gotten alot more mainstream, and things are balancing.

No I don't think so Aaaaagh (it is 5 As right?).

Even in UO (my all time favorite game, mind you) in my guild we had a large amount of female gamers and - I suppose they could have provided fake pictures - in the gallery they didn't look bad at all.

Not supermodel material mind you but they weren't ugly by any stretch.

I wasn't around back then, but I still don't believe that the only females who would consider picking up games were ugly.. why? So there were fewer of them, but i'm sorry, looks have nothing to do with anything. People have different reasons for getting into games, my mum was a gamer back then and there's nothing wrong with her, she also got her mum into rpgs, and I don't believe there was anything wrong with her either.. I don't think women back then thought to themselves "damn, i'm so ugly, i'll play games".

But that's just me.. maybe i'm wrong, i was only born in 1985, what do i know

Heh, how many women actually *are* super model material? (that you talk to anyway :P)

Everyone of them on the inside.

Unfortunately to a lot beauty is only skin deep.


But to answer the intended question, it really depends. One of them I know that I wouldn't really consider a model at all (she's not ugly, just she doesn't have the qualities most people seem to look for (something large, below the neck and above the stomach))

But anyways she did get a modelling offer, which she took up and is still doing it.

So beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Well in American in the early-mid 90's video games were really a masculine thing. Females didnt participate nearly as much as they do now, research says 10% back then, up to almost 50% now. Also, back then, gamers were almost all kids and teens. My theory is, attractive female teens didnt sit around gaming, they had a more interesting social life. There are some exceptions to be sure. Even today though, my money would be on - if they are a female gamer, and they are a teen they are probably not very socially adept. If they are older though, it gets skewed because of the social distiction between the life of an adult and the life of a hormonal teen.

Are you serious? If I am reading this right, one of you controls the keyboard other one shoots with the mouse? How does that make you good?
And you get scared of electronic boogiemen. Fantastic.

She said 'for fun'.

And what's wrong with that? It's actually pretty fun and it makes it a lot more challenging cause you really have to coordinate with whoever's doing it with you (for me it was me and my friend when we were eating a pizza).

You should try it sometime.

As for being scared of the 'electronic boogiemen' well, can't really say much about that.

Never really been scared of a game, just startled. Doom 3 tried to create a 'holy crap I'm scared to death' atmosphere but failed. Was little more than stuff popping out of (direction).

yes and shes probly about 150kg

The only reason I can figure that people are so adamant that female gamer = fat and ugly is because that's the only kind they know.

If they'd actually talk to the good looking girls they might learn a thing or two.

Yeah.. i don't understand why women gamers are fat and ugly, but male gamers are perfectly normal.. it's not true, sure, there are gonna be fat and/OR ugly female gamers, but, it's f all to do with playing games.
And to someone else who said that female gamers, in teens, are more likely to be socially inept, unless you have actual statistics, i think that's balls.. unless they're living their whole life in a mmorpg - if you look at games as a whole, including console games and that, then aspects of gaming can be very social.

Good Point. I'll add this. If they would learn to talk(with) and Listen to Women they would learn quite a bit. A great communicator is a good listener. I also never cared what women look like in real life in this game. I have customers I talk to everyday that I never have seen. Most of them women. I have a fun time with them over the years of doing business. It is "What is between the Ears that matters". Same applies to this game as well.

I'm all for more female gamers. It helps balance out the Male Testorone that goes around. It's sort of like being in an All Boy's School. God how I hated that, but i did enjoy our sister school down the road. 3 girls to 1 boy.

Anyway, I enjoy playing with female gamers, as it's a breath of fresh air.

My thoughts on why Girls only play certain types of games, whether FPS or RPG style etc is all based on Science Fact and is how the brain works differently between Men and Woman and how they perceive the world in general.
So an open mind is needed people to understand this and may help us understand more about what a Girl Gamer likes and to help you guys understand why when buying a house, the ladies like to actually go and see the house, why you can see all you need on that piece of paper.
And this can be confirmed by a simple test too, to determine if the ladies have the male Gene that enables them to see 3D in a game as if it was 3D in the Real World.

When men see the 3D image displayed on screen, although it's actually flat on display, we actually see it in our brain as a full 3D image as if we were seeing it in real life, hence the reason why more male players enjoy playing FPS over there female counterparts. However, with RPG's, as they are more often than not, not actually trying to portray full 3D images, such as large scale rooms, offices, factories and open space etc. You get the idea, they enjoy playing those a lot more.

The test I was talking about can be one of two things. Can your female counterpart read a road map without turning it upside down, spinning it around while the male is driving the car. If they can read a map, without turning it around, they quite possibly have the male gene that enables them to see 3D images of the map in the mind and turn it around in there head without spinning the physical map around.

The 2nd test is to do with a sheet of paper and a 3D image drawn on it. If they can see depth of perception, a trait most males have (It's all to do with science and not made up. ) they should be able to see this image as 3D and not just as a plain piece of paper with lines drawn on it. The same as looking at a screen with 3D images drawn on them.

Some of you may be wondering why all this mumbo jumbo, but as we all know, we all think we are all exactly the same.

This is to the men out there, thinking, oh rubbish. Just on the off chance, have you ever checked out that girl you spied across the room, and thought, god she's attractive, look at those nice legs, what an attractive body etc, i'd love to ask her out etc etc.
Well, she already spotted you looking at her, 5 mins before, without even looking directly at you. You've just been caught getting a peak, and all the women know what I'm talking about. Peripheral Vision. Yes, they can see us Men looking at them from the corner of there eye.
So, before you go oggling women, and start sRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing with your mates, think about what you have just read. She has seen everyone of you, and sussed you all out, before you even started whispering.

With regards to the stats given, I hate statistics, because more often than not, they are done on like 1000 or 10000 people. Come on, how can you get a % from that. There must be 300,000,000 gamers around the world, maybe more. Statistics are rubbish, in my opinion.

Other than that, I'm still up for as many gamer girls as we can handle. Bring on the Sex wars. lol

Oh, and to those girls who wonder why us blokes like the in game female chars, namely the Ele. She is pleasing to look at. lol

I only hang around with gamers...while most of them are guys, theres quite a few of us girls too.

And just to make it clear, I'm as far from fat as you can get without being unhealthy. Most of the other girls I know are too.

The few female gamers I have come across have expressed something along these lines. They would rather not make it known that they are female so they don't have to deal with the "do you have a boyfriend?" and "do you want to go out sometime?" More or less, they are there to play the game, not to date.

So it doesn't surprise me that close to half of gamers are female. It's just sad that they (or at least the few I know) feel the need to hide their gender to enjoy themselves.

-chojin

Words cannot express how pathetic I find that post to be..


To me, it does not matter if someone is male or female in this game, as long as they're not suicidal when it comes to MOB's.

I give up on trying to explain why I'm female, why I enjoy gaming and convincing total strangers I'm not a man prentending to be a woman.

Course I'm married, my husband plays GW and I have 3 sons. I grew up on games like Kings Quest, Quest for Glory, Wasterland, Ultima (WAY before it was online). And I played with my mother then.

For years actually, even when I left home, I still played, and often with my mother. We played diablo 2 together for years. Then I moved on to NWN, which I still play some, on a persistent world as a player and DM.

So...female gamers, yes, there are many and not all are sterotypical "what does this button do" gamers. I'd say I know my games pretty good and while I'm not a statistic junky or number cruncher, I think I can play quite well.

After all, I did manage to beat the final GW mission with henchmen playing as a monk

Two things to add here

1) As of right now Women ARE the MAJORITY in America

2) I have 5 females in my Guild (16 members) and they are all "hot" 2 of them to the extent that they almost mirror the female characters they play in-game

As for play and the absolutely wrong assertion that females aren't as good as males or that males are better, well thats just bull. I'll take our female Warrior and Air Elementalist against anyone, thats not to say they will win but they're a couple of the best I've seen and I've been playing since the first Beta.

Aahh yes, I almost forgot about this one, well when you are alone in your future and are wondering why you have no female companions I have no doubt that this statement and many other like it will never enter your thoughts as to reasons why...

My God, they are allowing women to play games now? Next thing you know they'll be giving them the vote!

You're right.. the first day i played WoW some guy came and helped me with a quest, i was just happy that alevel 15 wanted to help a level 3.. every day after that i kept getting messages asking me to team up, and how lovely my character looked today and stuff (i know it's just stupid stuff, but it's just really tiresome when people make stupid comments, even after i've told them im busy and stuff) anyway, eventually i sent him a message saying 'you do know i'm a guy playing a girl right?' and he never replied, and i've not heard from him since :P

Jedsia has a valid point. Women should not have to defend themselves. Nor do they deserve any harrasment of any kind. I too am married (22 years) and my wife HATES games. However, she knows that my daughter and I like to play this one. My wife sees it as a Daddy/Daughter bonding thing. When I join a PUG I always ask how long have you played online games. I even asked people's ages. Once I let them know that I am a Happily married old dood and a Father of a child playing this game the trust level goes right up. I have told women/teengagers that if they are being harrassed in any way shape or form I will help them along in having the idiot(s) banned from the game. I do this as if these ladies were my own children. I am very protective of younger people in this game. Since it is a free online game I can see the possibility of sick-0-perverts "farming" for unsuspecting young adults.

Anyway, I don't know whether to agree or disagree. I HAVE been tested for 3D Visualization and I was off the chart, literally. I don't need a map because it's already in my head. I have a degree in engineering and statics/dynamics were my favorite classes. I don't see how this is considered a "male" gene unless it's been proven that this trait is on the Y chromosome. (I hope you get my meaning. I'm not a geneticist.) Even thought I have exceptional 3D Viz I don't play FPS. Why? I'm just no good at them. Being able to see what's going on is completely different from being able to react to it. I've never been good at typing and keyboard/gamepad controls. I do however, love to spend hours and hours watching my husband and his friends blow things up in endless Frag Matches. I like RPG's because I can play them and secondly because I have the chance to meet cool people. My first love is strategy. I'm eagarly awaiting Civilization 4.

/heads off for coffee. It's too early for in-depth discussions.

Hope I didn't blow your mind up and froce you into Coffee over dose?

With regards to what I said, it's been proven scientifically that Men and Women have different abilities associated to the way there brains are wired.
I could give examples of all different things that are different between men and woman, but that is for another topic and probably another forum.
One quick example though. Women can do more than one thing at once. Talk on the phone, watch TV, Iron, read a book and write a note all at the same time. Why, because they have that ability in there brains.
Men on the other hand, can only do one thing at once, hense the reason, that if you ever try and talk to a man, while he is ingrossed in his game and he shouts at you, it's probably because you distracted him and he got killed.
So always make sure he has his position saved first.

One of the things I was getting at, was not so much that the woman would play FPS just because they can see the detail in the form it was meant to be portrayed, as I know that being good at it as well is also a must. Probably more to point out, that maybe women don't play computers in general, because they can't see what we get out of what is on the screen, as they can't see the details on screen in the way that most men see flat images.

Like I said, this has been proven scientifically, although always brings up the sceptics(not saying you're one. Pointing that remark at the scientists. )
I'm also not a geneticist, but the tests I have tried out on my female friends has proven a lot of what I have looked into in this area, in the ways men and women react to different things. All very interesting.

With regards to FPS Co-op, Death Match etc, i'm useless at it. Maybe it's because i don't enjoy them, or it's because there are a lot of cheats out there, and I just can't be bothered to go through all the PK'ing and I've only just stepped on the stage, and one shot and I'm dead.

I stick to single player as I know I am good at it, and have fun with the PvP in this game too.

As for gaming girls, like i said, I'm all for it, and the more that join in the better. Playing with girls is just as fun as gaming with boys.

One thing i will say though. There are both men and women who hate gaming and computers in general and would rather spend there time, money and energy in a pub.

As a gamer myself, I enjoy the community a good game can bring, and I have my beer with me. I have also made a lot of good friends in the process and have met a few in real life too. They are just as fun outside as in game. I just don't like the smokey atmosphere of most pubs.

Sorry for the long post again. lol

No worries. I've got my coffee now.

I do agree that men and woment think differently, I'm just not sure where the line should be drawn at "that's a male thing" or "that's a woman thing". There's exceptions to every rule, though so who knows.

As for the FPS and being good. I meant just that. I'm no good at any game that requires rapid-fire and quick timing. My brain will work that fast, but I can't get my trigger finger to respond that quickly. I never got very far in Mario Bros. either. In school, I NEVER froze up on tests, except typing. Don't know what it is, but stress and typing/button pushing don't work well with me.

out of god-knows-how-many odd girls i know from school

only 1 girl plays game like us males do (hardcore gamer)

43% is just plain bs

before I played MMO's I would have agreed, But after playing several games online and meeting tons of women gamers, I tend to think 43% is about right.

cheers

At least they are playing. You have to learn to crawl before you walk. Instead of complaining, have you ever tried to teach them to play. Seriously teach! Take your time, explain, listen to what they are having trouble with. You would be amazed at how much of that can be very appreciated by some of these young ladies. You will not "win them all over" but who knows, they might teach you a thing or two about how a woman wants to be treated. I wish I had listened to advice simular to this when I was younger.

Read the posts in this forum and listen to what people say in your team or guild. You'd be amazed how many wives, girlfriends, daughters, mothers, etc., etc. play games. A lot of them even buying another copy so they can play together. Like Old Warrior Dood said: "Take your time, explain, listen to what they are having trouble with." That's how I learned my girlfriend to play a lot of games and even appreciate them.

Interesting.

I'm whats considered a 'hardcore' (level capped, MC/Onyx) WoW player thats moved over to GuildWars due to the Drama in WoW.

Blizzard intentionally creates situations (via item drops or otherwise) that force players into different kinds of interactions with each other (for example an item thats great for 3 builds of Class A but 1 build of Class B). There are many other aspects of WoW that generate Drama, and I'm afraid to say there are players that are drawn to that aspect of the game. They feel they are 'contributing to the community' spending their time posting in forums, and generally contributing to esclating drama all over the game.

In my experience most of these 'drama seekers' have been women. Dont get me wrong, some of the most skilled and wise players have been female but it does seem that the 'Drama' aspect of some MMORPGs is the draw for some of them.

Guildwars has far less drama than World of Warcraft, as anyone who has been serious with both games can attest. I welcome and encourage female presence in any game, but please ladies and affeminite men - play the game. You contribute far more to the online community by playing than trolling boards for drama to comment on.

My 2c.

I have no words...

BS Meter Reading: Off Scale High

Um... right.

I am a male. I can do many things at once. Sorry to blow your theory out of the wate, but *** BOOOM ***

Are there differences; yes.
Are they hard and fast; no.

Scientists have yet to figure out what is environmental and what is genetic... so in your example perhaps it is more prevalent due to environmental factors that women were able to multi-task, but not due to genetics.

The real question is how old is old warrior dude...

Yesterday in game I had some young "punk" laugh at me for being 38 and playing games... needless to say he quickly got pimped slaped by multiple 30 somethings.

um...

what am I supposed to do while I am bored at work?

LOL. Exactly what Im doing. Troll forums. But when you go home for the evening, join a group and go kill stuff.

We do... the whole point of being here is we can't get an ingame fix during the day. At night, if I'm not out doing other things, I'm tanking for my guild.

Pretend you're working?

I'm 30 myself, my husband 38 and my oldest son, 9, played some, but I was concerned about,...shall we say...the content within the towns.

9 years old is too young to hear some of the dither I see in those towns, heck, even 30 is too old sometimes for what comes out of these kids mouths


As for drama....hehe..I'll leave that alone and just continue playing. Forums are generally where people like to share ideas, communicate and talk about the game...wow go figure


I just find it funny that in these times, where computers are such a part of our lives, its so unbelievable women might actually want to play. Course I got that alot too when I was playing pool.

It's a man thing, leave it alone, you dont belong here. My reply? Just watch me work

Well, in Half Life the mouse controls direction. So she walks forwards, jumps, crouches etc.. and I turn and shoot.

As for being scared of electronical monsters.. read what I put. I get scared of things jumping out suddenly. Not the things themselves. I cower in kiddie ghost trains when glow in the dark spiders appear. Just cos that's what frightens me. Stuff suddenly appearing.

So sue me.


As to Kryton King or whatever he's called and his post about "Yeah and she's probably 150 Kg"....

Do you really want to go down this road? Totally uneccessary and I will actually answer this. I am in fact around that weight, possibly heavier. I am in fact a british size 12-14 (larger for my top half). I am this heavy because the joint condition I was born with has allowed certain muscles to over develope while I have grown naturally, and therefore I am heavy. I have a strong upper body and I used to horse ride so my thighs and arse are muscle central.

If you have a problem with my weight, and for some reason it offends you. Then tough sh*t. Fact of the matter is, buddy.. I can change the way I look or how much I weigh, but you will have that bollocks of a personality for the rest of your life.
Oh and.. no offense to ANY guys out there (I'm sure you're all lovely) but I have met many MANY guys over the net and who play games.. and none of them are film stars themselves. So who are you to judge what's good looking and what's not when you're not a basket of fruit yourself.
Sorry for the long post but I feel I have the right to defend myself, I was very hurt reading that post. I actually went to the last page first and saw quotes about it and was thinking "God, poor girl who that was about"... and then I find out it was about me.
This forum isn't for sh*t like that, and let me just issue a warning here. That is uncalled for, and I've seen some of your other posts too. If you continue to post uneccessary garbage then I can assure you the mods will be in contact. People deserve to enjoy these forums. Not be flamed.

P.s.. guys here are saying they haven't met girls who are good at computer games? Well heh.. I haven't met a guy who was good at them. Least not better than me. You just haven't met the right people.

Re-reading my post I was afraid I might be misunderstood but you guys/girls seem to get it. These forums are excellent, and what Drama is here is generally from complaining 18-year-old D2 players yet to hit puberty.

Its great to see the women gamers are interested in the game, first and foremost.