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aron searle

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

24 Jan 2006 at 11:11 - 1

Twice now ive cleared the UW, a total of 5 hours spent on both attempts (including the failed attempts, with random pugs and err 7s).

On both occasions i saw greens go to others and im left wanting, This is a bit of a whinge really but, do you think it needs changing so that everyone gets 1 green, or leave it as it is.

If i do another run with no green, i think ill just lose heart to do it again.

generik

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

24 Jan 2006 at 11:33 - 2

Drop decay is slowly kicking in

bizarresk

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

24 Jan 2006 at 11:37 - 3

happened to me too, no single drop.. did it with 3 trappers, 2 nukers, 1 monk, when second monk and 4th trapper disconnected. one guy got 3 greens in one run and i aint got anything.. kinda weird and unfair.. 1 green for everyone would be the best IMO

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

24 Jan 2006 at 11:39 - 4

Just the luck of the draw. Excrement occurs.

Angel Develin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Lions Arch

Minions of Kronos

N/Me

24 Jan 2006 at 11:39 - 5

just buy 1 now when they are cheap, I think the prices will go up realy soon.

Malchior Devenholm

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

The Dragon Arena!!!

Pshycho Ninjas [oGod] | Vent Rage [vR] | Zealots of Shiverpeak [ZoS]

24 Jan 2006 at 11:56 - 6

if nything the prices will go down, now that ppl are realizing where these things come from and how to 5-man it

Hockster

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

24 Jan 2006 at 11:56 - 7

Why would the prices go up? SF greens have dropped, and these will too. They already have in many cases. Victo's Blade sells for under 100K, I sold one for a lot more than that on the first day they arrived. tha axe and shield are approching the 10K barrier, and should drop under it shortly.

MoNo

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2005

coldblackeyes

W/Mo

24 Jan 2006 at 12:00 - 8

yup prices will drop

and i also did 2 runs no drops 3rd i got the V blade 4th got 2 greens so its just luck of the draw

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

24 Jan 2006 at 12:00 - 9

Ugh... I've had runs with no loot in group of 5, I've had runs with 3 drops in group of 7 (gave one away at least..). All luck, and in the end, too much of a slog to be worth the loot.

Prices will drop fast, because the fact is the new underworld really ISN'T that hard. Its just long with many oppurtunities for errors, but once more than 50% of the people in topk know the run, any 'difficulty' that once was will be gone.

ange1

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

24 Jan 2006 at 12:07 - 10

flatbow for pull~

Big_Iron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Edge

Tormented Weapons [emo]

24 Jan 2006 at 12:11 - 11

No doubt prices will drop as the market gets saturated. Look at SF greens and the IDS. Does anyone even farm for the IDS anymore?

MrJerrypants

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

i miss you

24 Jan 2006 at 12:22 - 12

5 runs, zero greens. most runs with less than 8 people.
Frustrating, to say the least.

aron searle

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

24 Jan 2006 at 12:24 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by WoodyDotNet

No doubt prices will drop as the market gets saturated. Look at SF greens and the IDS. Does anyone even farm for the IDS anymore?

I did 3 IDS runs sunday, none dropped ive now given up.

Im still able to sell them for 25k or swap them for a good weopon (like a 12^50 summit axe hehe), but when they drop its so rare now its not worth the effort.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

24 Jan 2006 at 12:30 - 14

Four drops out of 4 attempts. Can't complain I guess.

I wonder whereabouts the prices will stabilize, given that it takes quite some time to farm these greens, and usually a lot of bother if you want to go in a PUG. I also wonder if this is how farming will be in the future: areas you can't skip to the end of (like IDS) or lamely tank with a cog/book. I'm all for it.

Lady Erighan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Defenders of Gods

E/Me

24 Jan 2006 at 12:54 - 15

Personally, I think the drop rate in these high level areas is pretty pathetic. I can spend 5 minutes farming Griffin and get 1 gold drop on avg. and net about 1.5k in gold/drops.

Last night, our guild spent 3 hours clearing Tombs and only 2 golds dropped for the entire team (7 man team) after killing dozens of dozens enemies through all 4 levels. My whole inventory was filled with white drops and an occasional blue and I netted about 2k in gold by selling all the crap to the merchant. And most of the whites were stupid raven staffs. I just don't understand it...? And to make matters worse, 2 of our guildmates didn't walk away with a green drop at the end.

Mabye it was just bad luck...

generik

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

24 Jan 2006 at 12:57 - 16

My guess is that most are slowly realising how stupid it is to shell out big gold for looks, and how futile the PvE aspect of GW is

In essense GW is really just a game of dolls.

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

24 Jan 2006 at 13:22 - 17

I went through once and got Victos Blade and the monk Staff. I guess the game is paying me back for 9 months of shit drops.

Eder

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

24 Jan 2006 at 13:41 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by generik

My guess is that most are slowly realising how stupid it is to shell out big gold for looks, and how futile the PvE aspect of GW is

The huge amount of people trying to farm SF and the new tombs, as well as the various threads on the subject, seem to indicate otherwise.

The price drop is natural and will stop at some point because it reflects supply going from *zero* to *something*... it's not a case of the "for looks" items slowly becoming worthless because nobody wants them anymore - prices will more or less stabilize after a while, like SF prices have.

Cherno

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Stars of Destiny

E/

24 Jan 2006 at 13:46 - 19

My first time through it got Wenslauss Faith and Victo's Blade. Last night went through it again (both times 8 man starting team ended at 6 people) and got Faith and Victo's Axe. Gave away the faith to a guildie who hadn't ever beat it before. Another guildie in the group with us didn't get anything the first time. This time she got Vic. Hammer.

On the second trip there was one gold chest and two purples. No ecto dropped the entire second trip and I never saw a gold drop and 1 purple.

I go down there for the greens anyway and maybe an ocassional ecto. So far I have been lucky. Going to keep going down until I can get the Bulwark to drop for me or it comes down in price significantly.

But it really does suck when you spend 1.5 - 5 hours (depending on group) to clear the bosses only to find you don't get a drop. There should be at least one for everyone then the extra is just gravy.

Rabid Weasel

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Welsh Legion

24 Jan 2006 at 13:49 - 20

I agree that the drop ratio needs amending. Yes i know it's random, no i'm not a (feel dirty for saying it) "n00b" so i know all about the drop ratio's in this game. But for some it does seem unfair to waste 2 hours on the run to get squat at the end. Where as some people get 2 or even 3 drops, surely some sort of easy to implement net code can sort this? A few of the peeps in my guild have now said their never doing the run again because of the drop ratio.

The other high level PvE areas that drop nice items are acceptable as any bad thing can drop the high priced items, ecto's/shards etc. Even the SF green items are acceptable because the bosses will only drop one or two greens and even then it's random if they do. Not the three bosses next to each other that always drop.

Cronos Khan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

New Jersey

W/

24 Jan 2006 at 13:50 - 21

Last run I did I got nothing. And on that note, that run had no ectos, nor gold chests....what a rip

Tijger

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mo/E

24 Jan 2006 at 13:55 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Erighan

Personally, I think the drop rate in these high level areas is pretty pathetic. I can spend 5 minutes farming Griffin and get 1 gold drop on avg. and net about 1.5k in gold/drops.

Maybe its not about the drops but about the challenge?

Go farm griffins all day long and you might earn a lot more but whats the point, doing the same run over and over and over...I like the challenge of the new UW and I've come up without a green as well, I've had 3 over 3 runs and not a single gold but frankly, I dont care, I play the game for fun not to earn fake money which is kinda useless to me anyway, I got weapons and armor and runes anyway.

Lady Erighan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Defenders of Gods

E/Me

24 Jan 2006 at 14:10 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tijger

Maybe its not about the drops but about the challenge?

Go farm griffins all day long and you might earn a lot more but whats the point, doing the same run over and over and over...I like the challenge of the new UW and I've come up without a green as well, I've had 3 over 3 runs and not a single gold but frankly, I dont care, I play the game for fun not to earn fake money which is kinda useless to me anyway, I got weapons and armor and runes anyway.

I play the game for fun too, and I surely don't farm all day long. I was just making a point. If you think about it, Tombs is just another place to farm, the only difference is it takes 3 hours instead of 5 mins. There are NO rewards for completing the run - only drops. If you only go there for the challenge, then how is that different than people trying to solo farm because they think it's a challenge as well?

Vaga

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

24 Jan 2006 at 14:19 - 24

Yeah its pathetic how low the drop rates are on blues/purples/golds/ectos and even money. The thing is none of this can really be changed because there are still people duoing UW.

At least one green for everyone would be nice, but really its not worth going for 1 green because most of them will be hard to sell and in the end not worth a lot. The darkness should drop 1 green for everyone as well as having a very good chance at ectos/gold items. There should maybe be a chest at the end with 20 plat or somthing to share w/ the party. Lastly at the end of HoH there should be no 30 second count down.

X of Thulcandra

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

Sector 001

N/A

W/

24 Jan 2006 at 14:46 - 25

I feel your pain. The only profitable run I had was the very first on Thursday Night, when people were still signing on to check out the new greens, not knowing there value. I sold Kole's Torment for 100k, and traded the 100k from that staff + Illyana's Staff for Victo's Blade, which was an O.K. trade in my opinion. Now I have no new greens. I sold off Victo's Blade, simply because the degen annoys me. The skin is cool and all, but I don't think it is worth ~100k. Same thing with the Battle Axe and the Shield. Sundering is a very crappy mod, yet people pay extra for the skin. I don't think ~2 1/2 hours of tedious fighting is worth getting maybe ~30-50k in greens, with the exception of that rare chance you could get some of Victo's Items, except for the Maul, which no one wants, either. There is always the risk that your connection could bug out you could get err=7'ed out after two hours spent down there. You would be better off running Droks, or farming. Just my two cents.

(I also got net error=7'ed at the second half of a great run. Bleh.

)

aron searle

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

24 Jan 2006 at 14:51 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tijger

Maybe its not about the drops but about the challenge?

Go farm griffins all day long and you might earn a lot more but whats the point, doing the same run over and over and over...I like the challenge of the new UW and I've come up without a green as well, I've had 3 over 3 runs and not a single gold but frankly, I dont care, I play the game for fun not to earn fake money which is kinda useless to me anyway, I got weapons and armor and runes anyway.

Mayber its about both or one or the other, its about how a player enjoys the game not how YOU enjoy it.

I like a challenge, but i also like rewards. If i did UW for the challenge then i would never go back after the fist time, as the challenge is no longer in existance.

Why does that matter, well what about people that havnt done it. Do they not benifit from having people in the team that know what to expect, should helping my guildees through it be nothing but a chore with no reward. Dont get me wrong i like helping people through missions, but theres only so many times you can do it before you say "whats in it for me / wheres my fun=reward".

Look at sorrows, prime example.

Its not the 100% reason why, but its a controbuting factor.

The only people who now go to sorrows are farmers, or people yet to do the mission. But the people doing the mission are outnumberd, why is that? Becasue people who are farming for green items will return again and again and again, people who are doing the mission will do it once and then either not return or join the farmers, (this is of course not true for everyone, but a big majority i feel).

I farm rarely at sorrows, because i have been 25+times on farm runs, and so far have gotten 3x useless greens. But i can put up with that because a sorrows run takes about half an hour.

The UW takes 2 or 2.5 hours depending on team, once people have builds and stratigies im sure a run can be knocked down to 1.5 to 2 hours, but thats a long time to spend for a green run to get nothing at the end.

Id like to clarify what i said.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ME

On both occasions i saw greens go to others and im left wanting, This is a bit of a whinge really but, do you think it needs changing so that everyone gets 1 green, or leave it as it is.

If 4 greens drop and i dont get one, fine.

But its abit of a pizztake when 2 of those go to the same person.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

24 Jan 2006 at 15:13 - 27

Your missing one of the main points in this update. They finalyl made an area that makes u think in pve... FINALLY!! PVE areas were way too easy 99% of the time. That was one of the reason that i would pug fow or UW so much. the challenge of keeping some of the more mentally retarted players of GW alive was fun to me.

Ive been on many, many, many runs and didnt get anything to drop worth a damn and had to resort to buying it, but thats ok. The only thing that is completely useful is the shield and my ranger loves that new green recurve bow. other than that the staffs from sorrows/collectors OWN the staffs that drop in the new tombs. The axe has one of the most USELESS mods on it that u can have, and the sword is basically grognars sword with 15>50 instead of enchanted... both kinda blow. Personally i dont understand giving all the staffs the same stats. The monk one sells for 80k, yet you can buy the same thing with domination instead of divine reqs for 10k?!! if youre buying a staff for dmg output, rethink playing a monk plz...

The scamming people is what i see becomming a problem. I had 2 people try to scam me in buying the shield and switched it to a plain shadow shield, and 3 people try to replace the axe with the dropped sickles that are plain, so be careful in trading is my advice.

jet_striker

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

Canada

Protectors

W/Mo

24 Jan 2006 at 15:17 - 28

I cant complain
I have been there 3 times, the first time I got 3 to drop for me... lol
Second I got 1, and third I got 1.

Just leave the area for a while and return if its not working for you.
And sell everything as quickly as possible

Sofonisba

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Tucson, AZ

The Black Hand Gang [BHG] and The Black Helm Gang [BHeG]

24 Jan 2006 at 15:25 - 29

Had another "successful" run last night... 3 hours hard work (with breaks). Nothing for me. Again.

It's all well and good that the prices will drop. However, I've worked really hard and gotten zippo. If I finally ever get my hands on a green, it'll probably be worth about 5 cents and bye-bye any hopes of ever getting 15k armor (let alone FoW).*

If anyone ever needs someone to siphon your bad luck, take me along. In fact, if you come with me, I guarantee everyone in the group a green! ... Except me.

*Before you flame me about wanting nice-looking armor... What in the hell else is there to spend money on?

<---apologizing now for bitterness

Esprit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dvd Forums [DVDF]

E/

24 Jan 2006 at 18:03 - 30

I've gone twice with my guild, and both times the same player got nothing. It sucks.

I've gone down as a monk and as a trapper. And going down as a monk is rather draining. 3-4 hours of constant monking? It's not fun, especially towards the end with the Chaos Worms and their siege attacks.

Of course people are still going to go back again and again, because that ~38% chance for a drop per Darkness looks a lot nicer than the 20% drop per boss, for a 5 man Sorrows team and that 20% is not guaranteed since boss's won't always drop greens in Sorrows.

koneko

Site Contributor

Join Date: Sep 2005

38??16′ N 140??52′ E

Mo/Me

24 Jan 2006 at 18:35 - 31

I've done at least twelve runs so far. It's frustrating when you spend two hours playing and don't get what you want, or anything at all. I picked up Victo's Bulwark and an offhand yesterday while someone else in the party got nothing, so I split the greens between us. They felt a little better, at the very least.

I've at least picked up one or two ecto as well. Lucky me.

I'm all for changing the drop rate to be more fair; there's something not right about leechers picking up multiple high-end greens and others that haven't get nothing. Or people that get greens every run.

led-zep

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

24 Jan 2006 at 18:49 - 32

i got the sheild on my first run, traded it for the axe when i got back to to tombs. might go back in one day to try for the sheild (using tanzits so not too bothered about the sheild) but it was the axe i was after so im happy

Mistress Mindbender

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

24 Jan 2006 at 18:59 - 33

I had 2 green items drop for me on my last UW run. The problem was that my team was so busy worrying about who got the axe that they didnt rez me. Needless to say I got no green items that run.

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

24 Jan 2006 at 19:08 - 34

4 runs, 3 that actually made it. On my first run, i got the Millus Eye. Than after two runs where i get nothing and didn't even made it pass level 3. On my second run, with a group of 8 men. We cleared the whole place (I was W/M but acted like ranger with longbow) And i was luck to get both Battle Axe and Shadowblade at once. I seen this happened on my first run when a necro got both axe and blade on one run.

It seem that people can get axe and blade together almost on everyrun.

But out of all my completed try, i never seen the orge knife dropped.

Sereng Amaranth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Amazon Basin [AB]

24 Jan 2006 at 19:09 - 35

gave away a Faith from my 2nd to last run....got an Eye from the last one

Sofonisba

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Tucson, AZ

The Black Hand Gang [BHG] and The Black Helm Gang [BHeG]

24 Jan 2006 at 19:33 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mistress Mindbender

I had 2 green items drop for me on my last UW run. The problem was that my team was so busy worrying about who got the axe that they didnt rez me. Needless to say I got no green items that run.

Now THAT sucks the big one. At least we were on TS and the person who was dead and had a green sitting there could yell for the res.

Needless to say I had all the time in the world to res him seeing as how there was nothing for me to scramble for.

I must be bringing it on myself, because also in all the many times I went into SF since that update, and into Tombs since that update, I have only ever had 3 greens drop for me. EVER.

Thanks for this rant thread. I need to write it so I don't get too bitter around my guildies (who I am indeed happy for), who get all the stuff around me.

Yes, it's nice of them to give me a gift of an unwanted green once in a while. But a gift is not something I'm going to sell for 100k plus ectos. You just don't do that.

Harold

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

24 Jan 2006 at 19:39 - 37

I go down to have fun...for me, it's the most enjoyable PvE area yet. My first trip, I got the Bulwark and Wenslass' Chalice...I sold the Bulwark and kept the Chalice for myself. I've gone ~5 or 6 times since, and only got greens on one run, when I got Illyana's Staff and another Chalice. I gave the Chalice to a ranger that didn't get squat. Personally, I'd rather not get anything than those low value, hard-to-sell inventory space hogs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esprit

I've gone down as a monk and as a trapper. And going down as a monk is rather draining. 3-4 hours of constant monking? It's not fun, especially towards the end with the Chaos Worms and their siege attacks.

Heh tell me about it. It's super stressful but still fun...after a run I'm so worn out I usually need to take a break from the computer.

Akathrielah

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

24 Jan 2006 at 20:03 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistressYichi

Your missing one of the main points in this update. They finalyl made an area that makes u think in pve... FINALLY!! PVE areas were way too easy 99% of the time. That was one of the reason that i would pug fow or UW so much. the challenge of keeping some of the more mentally retarted players of GW alive was fun to me.

Not particularly, cleared the area in about 45 minutes to an hour, little or no trouble. If your players know how to follow instructions (welcome to the first grade), the entire run requires little thought, creativity or strategy. The mobs don't seem to run from AoE which makes the run even easier.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistressYichi

The scamming people is what i see becomming a problem. I had 2 people try to scam me in buying the shield and switched it to a plain shadow shield, and 3 people try to replace the axe with the dropped sickles that are plain, so be careful in trading is my advice.

While trying to offload the greens I've obtained during the runs, I've had numerous people trying that stupid cancel and switch routine. What a stupid waste of time, now I remember why I hate trading.

WolflordUlrik

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

League of Enders

W/N

24 Jan 2006 at 20:04 - 39

So I joined up with some guild who wanted to try a 5 man stance tank, monk, nuker deal. It worked but took 3.5 hrs. So when green time came(took over 20mins to kill the bosses) the tank who didnt really do as much as the rest got 4 green and a monk got 2. I got a 14-21 req 12 gladius.

But my other three 8-man runs got me 1 green each.(2 recurves and a faith)

Zehnchu

Popcorn Fetish

Join Date: Dec 2005

[GODS]

Mo/Me

24 Jan 2006 at 20:21 - 40

Ahh figures I’ve done several runs we either died or I got an error 7 and always just right before the green drop level. Now the drop rate has decreased and I never seem to get any drops I’ve only got about 6 drops total out of all three maps just 2 drops per map. Wonder if anet has an anti-drop on me, lol some time’s the only good item I get comes for the gold chest on the second level.