UW greens drop rant

Not as many people in the "old underworld" now ... i've noticed an increase in ecto drop rates down there ...

*peeks out from old underworld*
/point
/laugh

I've done it twice with no drops. The second time, two members of my team got two greens each on that run, while I got nothing.

I only have one green item, Flints wand, and noooone want it. Lol.

It could be worse... you could get no greens on 3 runs, and on those 3 runs your friend who goes along gets Victo's Battle Axe every time, along with Victo's Blade on one of the runs.

That's not worse... that indeed IS what happens to me.

Four runs and still no greens for me. I have picked up a couple ectos tho. But the last two runs, someone picked up two greens out of three that dropped.

If that really happens it is amper proof for people to throw the "it is rannnndooom" argument down the toilet bowl. There are definitely some funny bias involved, and people are detecting it.

lol I’m afraid I have worse luck then that. By the time I would get my first green drop it would be the ogre-slaying knife and everyone else would have at least 2 complete sets of all the new green drops. But I'll keep trying.

I did my first run to the new Underworld and after all the crap we had to go through, I actually got my first green item, or items in this case I got Victo's Blade and Milinus' Eye after a hard battle vs. The Darkness (two people left and we didn't have a proper team.

I was one of the only people who brought candy canes and I was selling them for 700g a piece. As soon as the first Darkness died, the Victo Blade dropped for me. I quickly picked it up just in case and then I grabbed Milinus' Eye shortly afterwards. I guess that was due to the good karma I had during the scenario (not picking up a forgotten ecto and giving back someone's Superior ID kit after they let me use it).

Finally, a farming run that actually paid off...

I have to agree with the loot issue. I'm not looking for the world here but the new tombs are high-end areas. It makes no sense why there aren't a least a few more colored drops. Not even talking greens, just a few gold or a purple once in awhile.

People will want to do it for the greens or the challenges, but it's replayability will be limited once everyone has the new items and they have completed the entire map a few times.

It has to be random. On my last run, the guy who died the most got a green drop. He even got it when he was dead while we battled the Darkness. He kept screaming, "Rez Me!" I guess he was afraid someone would scarf it.

Also, the number of raven staffs and canes became a joke after a while. People stopped picking them up. I got two lousey purples and one was from a Phantom chest. I'll never buy another key.

Hmm, I guess I'll post my statistics on the Tombs' greens so far, I wasn't too compelled to start my own thread, but since this is the place to do it, here I go.

Tomb of Primeval Kings: Green Items
A "Fun" Weekend
Hours Played: ~30
Hours of Sleep Lost: 8
Completed Runs: 5
Green Items:
Illyana's Staff (2x)

So, basically, I spent my entire weekend, which I wanted to try out the new characters in-depth with, grinding for Greens, fruitlessly. I have a monk, a warrior, and an elementalist. I got two Mesmer Domination Greens, which, as you can see, are completely useless on any of my characters. This is nothing new, however. I used to be convinced that it was sheerly "luck", however, I'm certain now that it isn't. Having over 840 hours played, now I know from experience that drops aren't based on luck. I have done some farming, mostly Tengus before they were "updated". I'm not in any way afraid to admit that, however, as this furthers my purpose in writing this. I got my first and only black dye drops on one of these runs. After approximately 640 hours of playing, I got a black dye. It isn't just dyes or greens, though. It's rare items as well. My first rare item, after about 380 hours of gameplay--comparatively better than the others--was a max damage shadow bow. I was ecstatic on this occasion--until I identified it. It turned out to be a Shocking Shadow Bow of Pruning, no damage mod. My point is that my drops suck. There is no way of doubting that, and I don't mind if I get less drops than everyone else. What I want is an equal opportunity for Green and rare drops. One that is based on class, and decided by a fair and just system, possibly based on the quality level of the items you currently have. Guild Wars is an excellent game, if it weren't for the unfair distrobution of loot, in my opinion. If they fix this, and give people like me a chance, I'm sure they will see more revenue from both new players and old, especially with the dawn of Factions. Since Guild Wars is often compared to WoW, why not get one more leg up on the competition; giving players a chance to get the items they need and deserve. Hey, Guild Wars already has better graphics and PvP Combat, and the fact that it doesn't require a subscription helps, too. So why not make PvE a little better by making it fair to everyone?

Sorry for the long post. I just hope that my message gets heard and considered. Have a nice day.

Falcon

Uh...deserve? I'm sorry, i must have missed the part in the manual where it says you deserve a certain item.
You can get weapons and items from collectors which are better then 99.9% of the stuff that drops for free (well nearly free anyway), so you can always get the items you need or want basically.
So Anet already provides this feature and if thats not good enough then buy what you want with money earned farming.

Drops have never been anything but random and however frustrating that can be (I farmed Grenths the first week daily for hours without any greens) its what it is, a gamble, luck, whatever you call it. The next week I had 4 Yakslapper and several other greens btw.

I've completed 6 runs now, I've had a great time doing it and made a few new friends, I've gotten 4 green items which were of no use to me...and I feel not in the least unrewarded, this is not a job, its a game you play for fun.

The hours spent have yielded me more GP then any UW run I've ever done and its been a lot more fun, why this (dare I say it) whine about not getting what you feel you deserve? Once Anet puts up a sign saying "Walk through this door to collect your free 100K+ item" then you have a right to expect something...but this is frankly childish imho.

...am I the only person that bothers to share green drops with other party members?

Apparently, yes.

Typical of a person who got plenty of greens. Yes, deserve, I have spent over 850 hours this game, I believe I should have something to show for it other than a sword that is made of paper. (rinblade model sucks tbh)

By the way, did you read the entire post or skim it? I got my only black dye ever at 650 hours, dont simply shrug that off as bad luck, not even extremely bad luck. Also, trolling is bad for your health.

i think every player should get a green for the amount of effort involved. it is extremly frusterating to get nothing especially after multiple trips and watch the jerk of the group pick up his 100k+ item. I find it especially appauling to see some players get 2+ drops and others get nothing. even in sf this happens, and it makes no sence. i dont have time to do this 30 times to get somehing some lucky punk is gonna get first try, its bee ess, and everyone knows it.

Well, I think there should be a Collector have the Same state with that New Green Shield, or at least make it so our "Poor Pooor Poooor" PvP character can get that state for pvp....More cry? Yes.

PVE characters always have an oppurtunity to gain an advantage over pvp characters, sure they lack the flexibility but they can get equipment you cannot get with a pure pvp char. And what exactly do you think you're going to spend gold on if you're a pvp character?

Finally hit Green tonight. Not a great one, but not bad. I got Elswyth's Recurve bow.

i thinnk the drop rate is fine..
i dont think Anet wanted the new greens to lose mysticism in one week
plus, they wanted this part of the game to be challenging/frustrating

It could be worse. At least greeens ALWAYS drop in the new UW.

I wonder what would happen if A.Net changed the green drop rate to be the same as that in SF. I can just imagine the outcry if nobody in the team got anything after 2+ hours of UW grind.

Just did Tombs now.

My second run so far:

1st - 0
2nd - 2 drops.


It's not really fair. I'd rather have 1 and 1 than 0 and 2. When I spent 2-3hrs on a quest...and I got NOTHING (and no ectos)...it felt very very bad.




Also, as for drops and chests:

0 gold drops.
3 chests - all of which were purple.

!?????!!!
Common, we're on the newest, highest "map" in the game... and the drop rate is THAT lousy? bah.

how is this going to be any different from regular collectors items if everyone and their mother is getting one? not like the current drop rate is stopping hardcore farmers from hoarding anyway

I totally agree with you. I wouldn't care if you only get a drop every other time, as long as the greens you do get are useful to you and your characters.

I have completed 1 run down there and got 2 greens on it. (Elswyth's Bow, which is what i wanted and Victo's Blade.) A few other greens dropped but the party didn't pick them up and the timer ran down...

I've been through 4 times now and got the recurve bow and 2x Necro staves, what I wanted was the axe and shield (for my warrior to use not sell on), but in all the cases they've dropped, they've gone to someone who only wanted to pofit from them.

The 3 things I've noticed in Tomb's UW are:

Get 2 ecto and you can forget a green drop - this has happened in all 4 run's, person who got 2 ecto got no green drop.

Only 6 out of the 8 will get allocatted a green drop, some get 2 or 3.

Best green drops go to the the richest players who don't need them (in fact this seems to apply to most drops elsewhere - the richest players I know always get better drops than the rest).

Drops random? my arse they are, there seems to be too much of a pattern to drops for them to be totally random.

And the mighty ones above look down and laugh at us! The only character that I have not played yet (and don't want to play) is warrior: I have the other 5 on two accounts (one shared with my wife). And on the few completed new-UW trips I managed to get 3 greens! And two of them are whats-his-names Maul! Now, what am I going to do with a Maul? And now I got two of them!

Well, I refuse to be discouraged or dismayed. I use this Maul with my Mesmer/Monk when I play this new UW and attack the huge worms in level 2. I can't do much damage with it, but it looks very funny, my Mesmer in her enchanter's evening dress swinging this oversized Maul at a huge worm inbetween casting various hexes.

I will give the other Maul to my Monk. Would look just as funny I guess.

Ive been on 3 runs now and all I got was Koles gauntlet, my luck has to improve soon . I suppose it gives us something to do and cause you may get a few ectos it stops the 55hp monks and necros snarfing all the ectos for themselves

I don't think Tjiger can be accused of trolling here- all of us only have our experience of drops to base statistics on which is a negligible sample considering the 1,000,000 + players out there.

My first and only black dye drop was last Sunday, in the HoH UW. I don't know how many hours I've logged; I hit 1,000 some weeks before this event and then stopped looking because it was worrying me

Sometimes it does seem as though the great drops all happen to other people (in all my time I have found 2 greens- an ogre slaying knife and a nerfed rockmolder), but how am I to know how everyone else's experience averages out from the small sample of their time I see?

TBH, it doesn't worry me whether I get drops of the really top items. It is easy to get enough cash for equipment which is very close to the best, and I am happy for it to be a big challenge to work towards those ultimate items we dream about (FoW armour, 15>50 weapon etc).

Wrong wrong wrong

where is the following

collector axe 15^50
collector flatbow 15^50
Shield +45hp -2 stance (while enchanted)
Holy rod +5 energy

That is just a small selection of stuff that lots of people want, but is NOT available from collectors or the droks crafter.

And before you argue that what you can get from collectors is good enough, ill point out you said better not usable.

I agree with tijger,

why do ppl want a fellblade +15%>50% and not a gladius or something +15%>50% (wich costs 600k cheaper) ... ?

Because the fellblade looks alot nicer, it is possible having a perfect sword -bow etc.. and not spending that much gold in it (collectors items - cheap weps like gladius, falchion ...)

But what you guys are asking for is getting a reward for farming !! HAHa!! What a joke...

Keep on farming and you will get green items, but if you desperatly want a green item drop like this I would farm in moments that not alot ppl farm (so not in the evenings)

When you will get a green drop like victos blade, you probably will sell it, are happy for 1 day and the next day your farming again and you will be complaining for not having a drop...

Apply that same logic to an axe

Oh wait you cant because you cant buy or get a collector 15^50 axe, so people have to either get them dropped or pay stupid money for them.

that sentence makes no sense.

Do you think its fair that 1 person should get 2-3 greens in a group, and another get 0?

Somehow i doubt youve actually read most of this thread, but just came on to flame farmers.

Don't get all hung up over cosmetic differences, that's not what this is about. Greens have perfect upgrade mods, collector weapons have no upgrade mods whatsoever.

Yes... and we do get one. No one's laughing.

How does that address the issue at hand, that of uneven distribution of dropped greens among partymembers? Have you read the thread at all? In fact, how does that address anything at all?

...

You have no idea what people do with their green drops. No idea at all.

Mmm... Aron got there first.

Actually you can.. 5 encrusted lodestones.

Last night was several firsts, first time to finish UW, first ever green. It was Elswyth's bow, which I read is not worth much. I wasn't going to sell it anyway. My char is a ranger and the bow's stats are impressive.

my thoughts:

every chest in there... should be GOLD.
GOLDS AND PURPLES should drop from the mobs... much more often.

the game should check to see if there's someone being a jerk and not drop greens for him. ^^

Be happy with the drop rate as is. I'ma huge SF Oro runner for drops, and most of the time only 1-2 greens drop the whole run. Its fine the way it is, prices go down for greens, drops suck except for the greens (which is the point of the run), and sooner or later you will be the one that gets 3 greens in one run and everyone else will complain.

well I just did my first tomb run and everybody in the party got a green one and some got even 2... so I don't see the problem here, and yes I've red the thread.

In this game you can have a very good weapon very easily (maybe not fully perfect and not fully modded but still its a very good weapon)

And don't come with this bs that I dont know what ppl do with their green items, cmn you see trade chat flooding with green items. 90% of the ppl who farm greens do this to sell them (yes when I find a green item I sell it unless I can use it)

do you really think A.net favors some ppl and gives nothing to some?.. its just about luck...

Thats the same as crying you never win with the lotery when you lose and your neighbour always wins something...

Life is hard.. deal with it

On the other hand its not my purpose to start flaming, I am sry for sounding a bit rude. Sometimes I get abit irritated by ppl who always want more. If drop rates would go up you wouldn't be making alot of money because everbody can farm the items themselves...

Drop rates are good as it is, and sometimes you just have badluck... sry for that

I said better then 99.9% of the drops you get and I stand by that, I've never actually had any of the items you want drop for me in well over 1000 hours of play so in this case I could even say 100%

I also didnt say any weapon can be had from collectors, just that the game provides ample high level weapons & items for very low prices from collectors.

As for trolling *shrug*, call it what you will, I just dont see any point in Anet screwing with the game because someone has exemplary bad luck, I'm not super lucky or super rich, I have 200K and a few decent items on my chars none of which are godly and if I get godly stuff I sell it usually.

yah, it's a nice, more challenging area and a good break from monking for uw all the time.
i dunno what's wrong.. i get nothing but victo's battle axes =(
4th run, 3rd axe