3k is a good price imho..
Shame on you that ask less =)
The Forge Runner
Ajantis
Minus Sign
Why beat the dog for chewing our wallets when we’re the ones who put that piece of rawhide in his bowl?
I rarely run anymore, and almost never solo since there are now several Wa/Mos that have Ascended in my guild just for Droks running (I've become our unofficial trainer). Like its been said, I make more money farming shells than I would with a bunch of 2k no paying scammers who are barely worth the hassle to report. Like most, I got into running more to prove to myself that I could and "for something to DO" when farming became too mind numbing to stand.
Sk8tborderx...how to put this. Welcome to the McDonalds Mentality. When GW was new, Droks runners were the Elite; the best of the best. But--thanks in no small part to guides like this one--everyone now feels like they can get into it. But they aren't as good (having a tendency to die when spawns aren’t “just right”) so they lower the price. There are more runners running Droks, so they charge less to compete.
And people pay them; Angus beef or soy meat, both do the job (presumably...eventually). Droks is a buyers market now.
And we created them. We create the very people we rail against, exacerbate the problem by freely sharing what we know so they can use it--or exploit it--to their own benefit. I don’t regret that, and I hope no one else who contributes to this guide—or any other—ever does. But expect it; accept it.
I rarely run anymore, and almost never solo since there are now several Wa/Mos that have Ascended in my guild just for Droks running (I've become our unofficial trainer). Like its been said, I make more money farming shells than I would with a bunch of 2k no paying scammers who are barely worth the hassle to report. Like most, I got into running more to prove to myself that I could and "for something to DO" when farming became too mind numbing to stand.
Sk8tborderx...how to put this. Welcome to the McDonalds Mentality. When GW was new, Droks runners were the Elite; the best of the best. But--thanks in no small part to guides like this one--everyone now feels like they can get into it. But they aren't as good (having a tendency to die when spawns aren’t “just right”) so they lower the price. There are more runners running Droks, so they charge less to compete.
And people pay them; Angus beef or soy meat, both do the job (presumably...eventually). Droks is a buyers market now.
And we created them. We create the very people we rail against, exacerbate the problem by freely sharing what we know so they can use it--or exploit it--to their own benefit. I don’t regret that, and I hope no one else who contributes to this guide—or any other—ever does. But expect it; accept it.
Mistical miss
Yup I accept it. Most ppl I run have been scammed once, or had a runner that couldnt make it in 5 tries...that way the customers stay until a good one arrives. Atleast that's how it works in europe, there are a few Pro Runners that you see in beacons every day, advertising the same words over and over again. And there are those who run for 1K pay upfront...even with 5K prices ppl still come on the right time of day..
Ly Rampart
bah to scammers.
I don't think anet cares about us runners when it comes to reporting people for not paying.
Hey people will pay top dollar for the best so who's complaining about prices :P.
I don't think anet cares about us runners when it comes to reporting people for not paying.
Hey people will pay top dollar for the best so who's complaining about prices :P.
Mustache Mayhem
yeah it's always the same deal it seems.. I started charging half at snakes and grenths after sorrows and make them show the money up front.. saves alot of hassle with the guys that drop out at rankor.. on almost every run you hear the same things- I've been scammed or I've been on 5 runs and they could'nt make it lol another thing you hear almost every run- 'run forrest run!'.. this last weekend there was'nt much action with experienced players needing a run- even seen a runner who usually charges 4k charging 3.. wait till factions comes out maybe bring it back up.. if you remember there was a time before all the updates beacons was dead also
Ajantis
I don't feel like waiting there 3 hours cause there are 5 others that can't make the run but who charge 1-2k so everyone tries them first
Mistical miss
I give them all rights to try the 1K guys first, once those runners are succesfull they will start asking 3K as well...Nothing to blame on those new 1K runners. It would be bad if they asked the 3-5K prices if they fail 5 times in a row and then make it. But for the ones who have already made many succesful runs.... Me myself? I only run where there is no one else advertising (if a second one comes in, I will keep advertising). Most of the runs I do is helping out those "test"runners anyways.
djfatben
I think if people charged 3k, half that if they die twice, then it would be easy to fill up 3k groups in a flash. I just wish it was common practice when I need an alt run :P
Nilator
anyone know where to get the:
-2 stance, -3 hexed
-2 stance, -2 enchanted
-2 stance, -2 hexed
-2 damage +45 health while enchanted
-2 damage +45 health wile hexed (collectors)
-2 damage +45 health while in stance (collectors)
shields, i found the -2/+45 collector one, but i dont feel like paying the 5k for the shells
-2 stance, -3 hexed
-2 stance, -2 enchanted
-2 stance, -2 hexed
-2 damage +45 health while enchanted
-2 damage +45 health wile hexed (collectors)
-2 damage +45 health while in stance (collectors)
shields, i found the -2/+45 collector one, but i dont feel like paying the 5k for the shells
Me NoFat
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Originally Posted by Nilator
anyone know where to get the:
-2 stance, -3 hexed
-2 stance, -2 enchanted
-2 stance, -2 hexed
-2 damage +45 health while enchanted
-2 damage +45 health wile hexed (collectors)
-2 damage +45 health while in stance (collectors)
shields, i found the -2/+45 collector one, but i dont feel like paying the 5k for the shells The top 3 are lucky drops, LA, or the forums buy/sell.
The -2 +45 enchanted is a lucky drop or Malinons Shield from Sorrows Furnace. You can buy it in Deldrimore Warcamp.
The bottom 2 are collectors in the desert. Maps are available at on this site at wiki or xennon.
-2 stance, -3 hexed
-2 stance, -2 enchanted
-2 stance, -2 hexed
-2 damage +45 health while enchanted
-2 damage +45 health wile hexed (collectors)
-2 damage +45 health while in stance (collectors)
shields, i found the -2/+45 collector one, but i dont feel like paying the 5k for the shells The top 3 are lucky drops, LA, or the forums buy/sell.
The -2 +45 enchanted is a lucky drop or Malinons Shield from Sorrows Furnace. You can buy it in Deldrimore Warcamp.
The bottom 2 are collectors in the desert. Maps are available at on this site at wiki or xennon.
Mistical miss
the +45/-2 hexed shield is also available outside rankor for 5 blessed griff wings
Nilator
ty, right now im trying to get the -2/+45 hexed shield, but the griffons just dont seem to want to drop their wings
Nilator
ty, right now im trying to get the -2/+45 hexed shield, but the griffons just dont seem to want to drop their wings
Nilator
WHOA, x14 post, my bad
Me NoFat
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Originally Posted by Nilator
WHOA, x14 post, my bad
Depends on how long you want to farm and how much money you have but you can probably buy them from a frequent farmer rather cheap. Just don't pay more than 7K for them because some people actually sell the shield for 7K.
Yolanda Kai
The blessed griffon wings can usually be bought for 1k (for all 5) if you're a bit patient. I rarely ever see them go for more than that.
Mistical miss
eventually they will drop them 
, go out rankor, to go "skill hunting" with some henches, cap some skills and get the 5 wings on the way... thats how I did it..
, go out rankor, to go "skill hunting" with some henches, cap some skills and get the 5 wings on the way... thats how I did it..
Mistical miss
An addition: I made it to droknar with my ranger 
(gogo gale valen, she helped me on the tactics) tough I'll stick with my w/mo for now :P way easier, there are certain spawns that are very hard for my ranger while doable with a w/mo
(gogo gale valen, she helped me on the tactics) tough I'll stick with my w/mo for now :P way easier, there are certain spawns that are very hard for my ranger while doable with a w/mo
Me NoFat
Nice job MM
Now just do it with a 55 monk and your in a very small club of runners.
Now just do it with a 55 monk and your in a very small club of runners.
Weeping Wind
Humm...
Now I am usually able to solo to Droks with my W/E. I find it easier then a W/Mo. The best thing I find is that the Armour of Mist gives you a 33% boost. Which, in most positions looses a wurm chasing you where as 50% of the time 25% didnt loose them (This is going by my experiences it may not be the same for you).
So.. I know rangers have +33% on all their running skills. So, would it be possible to run it with a W/R. Rangers have 33% faster running speed and on 2 or 3 of their running skills they also offer a chance to dodge attacks. Now I have never run with a ranger because the armour is practically 0 next to a warrior. But with a warrior first profession then you'd have the armour and also access to the Balanced stance and other skills. So I came up with this;
Sprint
Charge (Maybe Escape for the 33% and dodge attacks)
Storm chaser
Dodge
Balanced Stance
Endure pain
Healing signet
For this space with my W/E I usually use IWS (I Will Survive) but maybe Disaplined Stance would work with a Ranger running skill to work quite nicely.
I havnt been home yet to give this a try but from thinking about it sounds like it could work. Please give me your feedback if you have already tryed Im sure you have.
Weeping
Now I am usually able to solo to Droks with my W/E. I find it easier then a W/Mo. The best thing I find is that the Armour of Mist gives you a 33% boost. Which, in most positions looses a wurm chasing you where as 50% of the time 25% didnt loose them (This is going by my experiences it may not be the same for you).
So.. I know rangers have +33% on all their running skills. So, would it be possible to run it with a W/R. Rangers have 33% faster running speed and on 2 or 3 of their running skills they also offer a chance to dodge attacks. Now I have never run with a ranger because the armour is practically 0 next to a warrior. But with a warrior first profession then you'd have the armour and also access to the Balanced stance and other skills. So I came up with this;
Sprint
Charge (Maybe Escape for the 33% and dodge attacks)
Storm chaser
Dodge
Balanced Stance
Endure pain
Healing signet
For this space with my W/E I usually use IWS (I Will Survive) but maybe Disaplined Stance would work with a Ranger running skill to work quite nicely.
I havnt been home yet to give this a try but from thinking about it sounds like it could work. Please give me your feedback if you have already tryed
Im sure you have.Weeping
Sk8tborderx
I would suggest running as a R/W instead of a W/R. Rangers hace frostbound armor which is 70 armor +30 vs ele +15 vs cold.
R/W runners are pretty successful but takes a lot more practice than a W/MO. Also, there are a lot of spawns that a R/W cannot make but a W/MO can.
R/W runners are pretty successful but takes a lot more practice than a W/MO. Also, there are a lot of spawns that a R/W cannot make but a W/MO can.
Mistical miss
agreed with sk8
@ Me NoFat: I don't have a 55 monk, but I made snakes with a 55 ranger ^_^
(yes you say: huh? 55 ranger? :P I have a druids armor with a few sup runes, add a 60% dp and you are down to like 60 hitpoints :P protective spirit to the mix, add troll unguent and there u go :P you get knocked a lot tough ^_^ takes ages to get there and crippling anguish = certain death)
@ Me NoFat: I don't have a 55 monk, but I made snakes with a 55 ranger ^_^
(yes you say: huh? 55 ranger? :P I have a druids armor with a few sup runes, add a 60% dp and you are down to like 60 hitpoints :P protective spirit to the mix, add troll unguent and there u go :P you get knocked a lot tough ^_^ takes ages to get there and crippling anguish = certain death)
Me NoFat
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Originally Posted by Mistical miss
agreed with sk8
@ Me NoFat: I don't have a 55 monk, but I made snakes with a 55 ranger ^_^
(yes you say: huh? 55 ranger? :P I have a druids armor with a few sup runes, add a 60% dp and you are down to like 60 hitpoints :P protective spirit to the mix, add troll unguent and there u go :P you get knocked a lot tough ^_^ takes ages to get there and crippling anguish = certain death) Nice....now that is thinking outside the box. BTW happy to see you made it into the LBS guild. I look forward to gaming some in the future.
@ Me NoFat: I don't have a 55 monk, but I made snakes with a 55 ranger ^_^
(yes you say: huh? 55 ranger? :P I have a druids armor with a few sup runes, add a 60% dp and you are down to like 60 hitpoints :P protective spirit to the mix, add troll unguent and there u go :P you get knocked a lot tough ^_^ takes ages to get there and crippling anguish = certain death) Nice....now that is thinking outside the box. BTW happy to see you made it into the LBS guild. I look forward to gaming some in the future.
Me NoFat
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Originally Posted by Weeping Wind
Now I am usually able to solo to Droks with my W/E. I find it easier then a W/Mo. The best thing I find is that the Armour of Mist gives you a 33% boost. Which, in most positions looses a wurm chasing you where as 50% of the time 25% didnt loose them (This is going by my experiences it may not be the same for you).
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Originally Posted by Weeping Wind
So.. I know rangers have +33% on all their running skills. So, would it be possible to run it with a W/R. Rangers have 33% faster running speed and on 2 or 3 of their running skills they also offer a chance to dodge attacks.
Sprint Charge (Maybe Escape for the 33% and dodge attacks) Storm chaser Dodge Balanced Stance Endure pain Healing signet For this space with my W/E I usually use IWS (I Will Survive) but maybe Disaplined Stance would work with a Ranger running skill to work quite nicely. Weeping Well Weeping I would have to agree that R running is fun and they can move faster for longer when it is your primary. It is possible to make Droks as a W/R or a R/W. The problem is that it is not as successful IMO. There are some that will say they make it more ofter that not and I have actually witnessed a great Ranger make the run on a hard spawn without much difficulty. I however would like to point out that the skill (route choice and use of aggro) of this runner was superb and he/she could have made it with almost any combination I listed in the OP. Skills: Dodge Escape Both fall under expertise so you would have to be a R/W for these to be effective. That means that sprint would become less effective but probably won't be needed. With Escape being your elite Charge would be gone. I am also not sure how Escape is classified without looking it up which I am currently too lazy to do. If it cannot be paired with Balanced Stance then that is a problem IMO even if you out run most worms. I cannot say that I do not like R/W or W/R running. W/R is how I started. I just would not make it my 1st choice when doing Forge runs. It is possible but it lacks the time tested W/Mo combination that I have come to love. koneko
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Originally Posted by Me NoFat
I am also not sure how Escape is classified without looking it up
Escape = stance
Escape + Balanced Stance = x_x Edit: I use Charge + Balanced Stance on my R/W...
Me NoFat
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Originally Posted by koneko
Escape = stance
Escape + Balanced Stance = x_x Thanks for making up for my lazy attitude today Koneko
Mistical miss
thats why an r/w goes charge instead of escape ^_^ really, dodge + stormchaser ftw
oh and frostbound armor reduces the damage of frost worms to like 11 dmg :P
dont feel no pain
no more sticky....?
Vance Reaver
didnt they make it harder again cause so far all ive gotten today is 3 wurms at once at it impossilbe with 3 on ur tail
Mistical miss
3 is not unusual, happens alot actually...I'd be more afraid of one chasing worm tough ^_^
Sk8tborderx
I have had 4 wurms once.
There are always 3 wurms but you only see 1-2 most times. If you have all 3 on you just make sure you don't get knocked down or they surround you and you will get stuck.
Me NoFat
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Originally Posted by dont feel no pain
no more sticky....?
Still a sticky....just in the Important Warriors Post sticky now.
Weeping Wind
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Well Weeping I would have to agree that R running is fun and they can move faster for longer when it is your primary. It is possible to make Droks as a W/R or a R/W. The problem is that it is not as successful IMO. There are some that will say they make it more ofter that not and I have actually witnessed a great Ranger make the run on a hard spawn without much difficulty. I however would like to point out that the skill (route choice and use of aggro) of this runner was superb and he/she could have made it with almost any combination I listed in the OP.
Running as a primary R/W would give me all shorts of hassle. Especially as I am used to running in Glads and the energy is never a problem. Going as a Ranger sure you can chose Druids but then the Armour V Cold would go. I think I am still going to go as W/E. Im sure you can do it as a W/R and good job to those that do | Thanks for your comments in this. But Droks running isnt worth me getting the skills and learning to run as a Ranger :P Weeping
Weeping Wind
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didnt they make it harder again cause so far all ive gotten today is 3 wurms at once at it impossilbe with 3 on ur tail
Like people have said 3 is no problem. 4 could be if your BS is running out :P The thing ive come to notice is that the Avicara chase me for a VERY long time. Now, one isnt a problem but it does cause problems sometimes. And, lonely grawls aswell! Now these are a pain! I have found that these also chase me for a VERY long time. Wurms usually stop chasing me after I put up Armour of Mist but these buggers wont give up for all the richs in the world! | Weeping MoNo
The Avicara need to cast on you then keep running they will not follow.
Sk8tborderx
If you have an avicara chasing you just stop when in an open area and as soon as he stops to cast take off again. This doesn't always work though. (I had one chase me through the whole zone once no matter what I did, it didn't kill me but me laughing did).
Sarah Arano
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Originally Posted by Sk8tborderx
If you have an avicara chasing you just stop when in an open area and as soon as he stops to cast take off again. This doesn't always work though. (I had one chase me through the whole zone once no matter what I did, it didn't kill me but me laughing did).
This is because there is a change in the monster group AI. Sometimes even after making a clean break from the main group, one of the monsters from the main body will chase you down for a great distance, beyond limit that was introduced to nerf farming.
This is Anet's nerf for the benifit that the farming nerf gave, the tracker will lead the rest of the group to the runner if he or she did not run far away enough. I find that this applies to individual creatures as well, because I once had wurms chase me all the way till just before the troll cave It does not happen often. When it does, it usually does not affect the run unless you are in a tight resting spot and the bugger calls his buddies over.
Mistical miss
unless u get worms in the troll cave... getting blocked is like a 75% chance then:P if youdont have balance up in the cave ^_^ (if you do it will run out when u come to the next worms ^_^)
Sarah Arano
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Originally Posted by Mistical miss
unless u get worms in the troll cave... getting blocked is like a 75% chance then:P if youdont have balance up in the cave ^_^ (if you do it will run out when u come to the next worms ^_^)
There are no wurms in the 2nd cave, not to my knowledge anyway, and they chased me down when i had both balance and charge on. I had expected to break away from them either through speed or distance. To date, I have not figured out why. I can only assume that the AI change also affects individual creatures. I have only experienced this once however.
Or.. it could be a bug, "Fixed miscellaneous bugs with the wurm monster AI." latest from the 2nd Mar updates.
Weeping Wind
So, they made the Wurm AI smarter did they? And the LT's Helm has been modified aswell. ANyone know what the wurms do now? I am pretty sure the LT's Helm wont have too much effect :P
Cheers Weeping |
