Why do people think Wars are noobs?!

Why do people think most wars are noobs?
The other day I was in Hells preipice going to help a guildie beat the mission when all of a sudden we see an all war group. Now we knew this was not a good idea for the mission but see other people saying commets and stuff about how stupid that would be and dumb wars can be and such. People always think most Wars are noobs.
Another time I was in Random arneas and we get this mesmer he/she sees me and says "I hate wars they are such noobs!"
Now, I know i dont look like a noob with 15k dyed black plate armor and some rare weapons but as soon as he/she saw me he/she left. Now I'm just wondering whether everyone feels like that or if its justcertain people.

I play as a warrior so no i think all but me are noobs. Yup.

I don't actualy think than you can label a whole class as noobs because some are. It would be like saying all monks are snobish or mesmers are useless

It's because Warrior is seen as the typically 'easy' tank character from other rpgs. Therefore a lot of people play a War as their first char and think its ok to rush in and aggro. It's not (most of the time) and most people learn this. But a lot of people remember the warriors (especially w/mo) that run in thinking they're invincible, eat up all the monks energy and then die. And some of them then blame the monk and/or rest of the team.

Now we of course know that most warriors are in fact ok, and there are just as many morons playing other professions. But warriors are the 'obvious' ones, they're always in front of you, whereas spellcasters are level/behind and you don't see what they're doing (unless they're hte unique ones who think they can tank with 30al ) But most of the time, the people saying warriors are noobs are hte kind of idiots that would probably do just the same as a warrior and kill themselves in 2 seconds.

Because most act in a manner that befits the label.

As far as my experience as a psychologist goes, it's only necessary to witness something once or twice (and especially if it's ur first impression with such an event, group of ppl, or a class in this case) and u'll form a narrow-minded stereotype. So if the first warrior u play with runs into groups, dies in less than 20 seconds, burns monks mana and bitches about it when he/she's a corpse, no wonder ppl have bad opinions about them. But playing with good, pulling warrior types (and doing it a LOT) can overcome this. It's not as if other classes are not played by inept ppl, it's just like Pevil Lihatuh said - the warrior is most of the time the one in ur immediate line of sight.

I'm guilty of lableing Wa/Mos as "noobs", mainly because if someone is going to herass me, it is always a wamo. Also, every bad warrior that I have ever head in a group is a Wa/mo, you know the ones that you tell to go agro a group, and they instead pull the group into the casters. Now I have had some good wamos, but the vast majority of my experience with them has been bad. Now if a warrior has a differend secondary, that will get my attention. If you watch the GWWC matches, there is almost no wamos, and they are hella good. (especially Im a Paladin, who ironically is not a paladin)

Is this unfair to lable them that way? Probably, but when you get burned soo many times, what else are you to do.

Opinions are like rectal shinctres, most people have them and they often stink, just a bit. If you look through these fine forums, you will find a thread for every profession, many lamenting the unpopularity of X-profession...As a ranger primary (for my main character) I feel your pain in having a negative opinion being thrust in your general direction. Truth is, though, that noob Warriors tend to stand out a bit....they are the groups front-man and everyone sees their mistakes first.

Noob Warriors tend to rush aggro, die and bitch a lot (especially if even two monks can't keep up with the damage they are taking and they blame the monks for their death)...By the time you get to the higher end maps, your opinion is formed and the assumption is that you have about a 50-50 chance of getting a noob warrior who will die and cut out of the group (truth is it's much less than that...but bad experiences leave the bitter taste in your brain). An arrogant warrior who is no "noob" only reinforces this opinion.

Of all the missions I've run since last February (this includes beta weekends so don't call me a liar), I have had maybe 10% of the warriors I've run with fall into the classification "aggro-monkey". Many of these had been playing at least as long as I have. While about a third of all the folks I've played with were "newbies" (I tend to look for them to help them out)...Only Two warriors stand out as hominus-sphinctus: One who ripped me off mid-mission by leaving me dead to collect my loot and one who kept calling me his "neegger" (spelling changed to avoid the deadly red engine) when I was running a monk...Now, honestly, I tend to avoid the company of groups with large numbers of warriors because "tanks" so often look down on anyone who can't take as many body-blows as they can and they tend to be egocentric.

The thing is, you will hear a lot of negative crap from people. Mostly you will hear from the rude, poorly skilled, biggotted, and poorly informed...Warriors are no different than any other class in regard to the number of noobs. But when you are the biggest target on the battlefeild, people tend to notice when you pull a total "Leroy Jenkins" move...and when inexperienced warriors die frequently, it's because they are learning their job and don't have it down yet...Other professions stand back from the fight a bit and see warriors drop quicker when the mobs overwhelm them...that's why we have res.

If you are honestly having problems with the "noob" title (I hate that word)...try another profession for a bit. An all ranger group through Thunderhead Keep, for example. If you EVER get the group formed (took me an hour and a half)...you will hear the most ignorant comments ever uttered in an outpost...When your trapping/conditions cluster with multiple healing springs makes it through to the end, the satisfaction of trying something others were afraid to admit might work, will give you the warm-fuzzies.

Perserverance...Patience...and a sense of humor will get you through it...Just think of every person who uses the word "noob" as someone with their own huge set of insecurities and a tiny cod-peice.

learn to listen and you will be loved. i say i will listen to the monks, i can EASLY get a group.

It's not helped by the fact that in most PUG's I join there is guaranteed at least 1 warrior who goes afk, has dinner, wont listen, makes no attempt to protect himself and generally acts like a moron.

I dont label them all the same out of narrow-mindedness, it's because I see it happen over and over again. Worst of all is on the weekend where it happens in 9/10 groups and it's almost ALWAYS warriors.

[QUOTE=Keyote]It's not helped by the fact that in most PUG's I join there is guaranteed at least 1 warrior who goes afk, has dinner, wont listen, makes no attempt to protect himself and generally acts like a moron.QUOTE]

That's an astonishing statistic -- that a warrior goes AFK in 'most' of the PUGs you join. I'm guessing that you are in 8 person groups and that no more than 2 members of the group are warriors each time.

You are incredibly unlucky. I'd guess that someone (any profession) goes AFK in about 10% of my PUGs if that. (To be clear, I'm not challenging your statistics, just commenting on your poor luck).

People's opinions of particular groups are greatly affected by members of that group's actions. The general reasons behind non-warriors thinking warriors are nooby is because a large amount of warriors do act in a way that could be labelled as 'nooby'. Charge in to fight, completely expecting themselves to just stay alive because they are tanks and the monks will just heal them forever. Complain when they die about not being healed enough. Scream for rez because they think they are the most powerful member of the group and can win the fight. And of course, envy for warriors has built up because they do, despite recent changes, the largest amount of farming and running. They are the ones that get out there, can do it alone, can tank, whereas the other classes may rely more on others for victory as they are slightly weaker in armour etc. I wouldn't say that a large number of people think all warriors are noobs, however. I'd just say that some people's opinions of warriors have completely moulded and won't change because of particular warriors they've been with.

But then you can say the same for all professions, monks who are big-headed cause they know they are needed and complain all the way through a mission.

Eles who Echo Nuke all the time and wont do anything else when they echo nuke and just sit back, when they could use other skills and fire attunement to regain energy per fire skill use. Then they complain when they get surrounded.

Necros who sit back out the way just so they can raise minions, which is fair enough, but when the group is taking a beating they could use Swarm to cause some group damage.


Mesmers who sit back and spam backfire and power spike, which again is fair enough, but there is other skills that can help.


Rangers and their pets, they are nice yes, but in places like FoW they are a pain, they get in the way half the time lol not to mention when they die the ranger loses his skill bar for a few seconds.

It is simple, because they themselves are noobs. They have never seen any good warrior in action.

i myself created warrior as my first character i love the warrior profession i made a warrior/elementalist i lived it i can have any second profession but W/Mo IMO is garbage only good for solo griffion in UW i use my W/E and i have had many compliments of how good a warrior i am people often refer to W/Mo as noobs because it is the mostly widley used warrior class id like 2 see a W/Mo 3 man UW like i can with my W/E solo tank

sorry a litte bragging in there but i have never been called a noob

If they've never seen a good warrior in action it says something about the number of bad ones...

I think a line needs to be drawn here between Warriors and Warrior/Monks. It seems the Wammo's are the ones who give the bad impressions..... well, most anyway.

Because a lot of the warriors that think they can't ever die no matter what are usually warrior monks. These so called players usually aggro more than the group can handle or they aggro more enemies when they shouldn't. I'm not saying all warrior monks do this obviously, but there is a good percentage that do and we all know this.

lol actually bringing your platemail armor in pvp IS a sign of a noob

hey i bet u hav no life, pfff taking to seriously..........

ps. dont call other noobs it ticks ppl off

sry but if I see a warrior/monk, it always comes up in me that they are new to the game but think they are all mighty hero's

I agree, you shouldn't be calling ppl noobs

and I sometimes bring my platemail to into PvP just because I love playing PvP with PvE characters, if you call me a noob then, well then I call you shortminded

Probably one of the best summations on the whole problem Unfortunately, for a vast number of people, unless it is 'your' profession then of course, all the others MUST be noobs What constantly amazes me about games, in general, is the ability they have to turn ordinarily mature, well-mannered people into a whining two-year old who has lost his favorite toy. Playing both a wammo and a monk, I have had my share of name-calling, which I tend to ignore. If someone has to resort to calling names over a character in a GAME, then I assume they either:

1. Are about 10 (no offense to 10 year olds)
2. SHOULD be 10 because that is their IQ
3. Have serious issues because they get so worked up over a game

And ya know what?! "noob"=new person IMHO. Then, hate to break it to all the name callers, but at one time, we were ALL noobs

Bringing Platemail armor is a sign of being a noob? thats kinda stupid as maybe thats the only armor i have? what a stupid commet.....
Another thing is that I have more then 1 secondary class as I have a bunch skills for all them for all u who think I play as only a W/Mo. My favorite secondary is W/R because of the speed and skill they got but I use diffrent ones for different areas. W/Mo for PvE (sometimes), W/R PvP and i can go on and on. But the thing is most people love calling wars in general dumb and noobs and i guess it just makes me angry to hear that because not all of us are. Just because some stupid wars that dont know how to play the game give us all a bad name doesnt mean we all are stupid. The only main reason i made a war was for finiacial purposes because of the solo farming and i didnt know they always got blamed for being dumb lol just something that annoys me.

Most new players will chose a Warrior as their first char (he has the highest armour AND does the most damage? Pwnzor11);most new players are reasonably incompetent,and so a realatively high percentage of warriors are incompetent.
Also,for reasons as of yet unknown to me, there's a great deal of warrior hate in the game-why else would you see so many necros and mesmers with skillbars full to the brim of anti-melee hexes. Only the other night I had a Ne/Me Enfeeble,SS,Empathy,Insiduos Parasite,Price of Failure,Spirit of Failure and Clumsiness on me..talk about overkill. After the fight, which we lost ,he rubbed salt into my hex filled wounds by proclaiming that 'w0rRioR n00bS craCk mE uP r0lf!!' I decided to be the bigger man and neglected to tell him that he wouldn't be a p00ning machine with Migraine,Conundrum and Dazed on his one trick self..
And for those of you who seem to think that it's an easy class to use play, just go a round or two against IWAY as a war,with spirit hunting being your main role. Just make sure you have stress ball close at hand..

If I saw that armor setup, I would assume you were a noob, too.

I also have a wammo. I actually try to do all that I can to help the monks( I have also played one of those) and try not to rush. If my group has a hard time with a mission, I'll ask what I could do to fix it. I take constructive critism from people that I respect. I won't claim to be the best but at least I try not to have "wammo fever". I also agree with Harmony about namecalling. As for the easiest class to play, I would honestly say an elementalist. High energy, easy spells to cast, etc. But that's my honest opinion.

WHATS WRONG WITH YOU? to all u stupid guys who think that wearing plate armor just for pvp is noob this is very stupid. Maybe thats my only armor i got?!?!?!?!?! its kind of stupid just because u wear a type of armor ur a noob now? wow now u know how people are either jealous or just plain stupid.

And now we know how people over-react to other people wearing yucky armor setups.

The reason its considered "noob" (eugh, hate the word) is because it is so inferior in PVP, the energy bonus from gladiator armour is too significant to ignore (and there really is NO reason to use anything else, barring a single peice of knights/ascalon)

if you deliberatly wear a peice of inferior equipment, you will have the label, regardless if you know its inferior or not ( and if you dont know this, then you are (prehaps not as harsh as noob, but still, green and fresh)

My husband is a very good war/mo (though lately he has been playing with other secondaries as well) he has never been called a noob either...you said you would like to see a w/mo 3 man uw as solo tank...here you go

btw with that team we can clear the town the smites start the restore the monuments quest Wrathful Spirits, Escort of Souls, and we can usually make it most the way up the hill through the bohemeths (last time we tried we all got tired and decided to just call it quits for the night and havent tried since)

Playing warrior well is difficult and playing warrior poorly is very, very easy. Warriors, especially W/Mo are good at playing independently, which means they can stay and eventually kill things outside of a group. This can be done very well IF you are a very good player; I had a flag runner that slipped in and took out two bodyguards. For the most part top warriors are best suited for running adren spike and pressure damage. This requires organization and battle awareness which most warriors have yet to develop. The difference between good IWAY and bad IWAY is the simple stuff like knowing who and where to attack given your trappers and necros postion. Also consider WMs game winning body block the other day...it was money and excellent battle awareness. Since you are fighting in melee range and you are chasing targets, knowing where you are with respect to others is much more important.

Due to energy concerns and weapon dependency, most "creative" warrior skill bars are really bad. Most of the time you want 12 points in your weapon. That gives you significant points in one other attribute then you dump in strength. I've seen most everything put in that second attribute slot, but the only three things that have made much sense is earth, air and beastmastery. I'm not asking for everyone to justify their pet builds (please don't), just trying to convey why warriors get the noob label. It is difficult to build a warrior as anything other than a cookie cutter build, which anyone could find on observer mode. Cookie cutter guy will get more PvP attention.

Most every build and team needs warriors simply to absorb some damage and put out consistant damage. Warriors create a "presence" as Charles put it. I argue that warriors are hard to play well, meaning that most of us end up playing with (or playing as) warriors who make mistakes. Since a bad warrior has no battlefield awareness, he has no idea that he just blundered and then makes "noob" remarks. Unlike Mr. Shrink above, I believe that most "narrow-minded stereotyping" is based largely on generalizations which are wholely correct, but not easily justifiable. Basically, most people think warriors are noobs because most of them make mistakes and have little battle awareness (in other words, they are noobs).

well thx i guess lol i guess i will be buying some glads armor as well even though im not a eng consuming war but more of a adreline one.

you usually arn't considered a noob if you use ANY 15k set.

Quick double post:
15k Plate armor shouts "I'm a PvEer". It isn't very good armor. You can get a set of pvp ready armor for less than one piece of 15k. You want the anti hex helm (with you if not on you), glad everything, knights boots, stoneskin gloves. That is the pvp standard...gives you the most strategic benefits. I also don't know if you have all the proper runes since it is more likely for a pvp character to have all the necessary sups (3 in the case of a warrior). Ditto which the proper weapon, rare does not mean useful.

If you knew much about PvP you would already have this stuff for PvPing. As it is you are wearing pretty PvE plate with expensive coloring. Looking at your armor I automatically know that you spend the majority of your time PvEing, and that you may be a liablity (even if you had a bambi).

I don't know of a warrior build that doesn't have energy management issues. Also, defense is overrated in PvP since you have monks and no one attacks warriors (unless they are way out of position).

simply because
A. it is the only class you don't need skills for any can still go out and kill stuff just with your weapon.
B. Most of the time people start the game with the class
C. Everybody and their mother SEEMS to have a W/Mo with the same dam builds
D. Many Warriors just use attacks/stances and NOTHING else.
E. Gladiator armor looks horrible but has the "best" stats.
F. It is the only melee class.

I saw that on I am a Paladin and I would imagine he is becuase it was a PvE char he was playing.He just went out and switched his secoundary to /E.I play W/Mo although it wasn't my first char. my Monk was and I know how castors feel usually when I play Warrior or even with my Ranger I look at health bars.When I did the RoF mission I got a compliment on my build as we only used henchy monks and I took 2 resess with me as they kept dieing in lava.Back in beta my first char was a War. didn't play it that much when I started to play Monk especially in HoH.I know what the OP is getting at give it time player will realize how the value a War. can be.

There are noobs of many professions, but from my experience, most seem to be Warriors, specifically W/Mos.

This is particularly true in PvP, as most W/Mos are PvE "tanks" who try to "duel" other W/Mos with their fiery dragon swords and are basically useless to their team, because while they're usually the last one alive, being a damage sponge in PvP is not useful, since a smart opponent will just change targets.

I think the biggest reason wammos get a bad rep, is that the learning curve for them is more gradual. Mesmers, monks elementalists and necros can't even make it out of pre if they haven't managed to learn energy management and agro, a few deaths and you start pay attention.

A warrior on the other hand can survive most pre monsters, no matter how many they agro. Add a post sear droks run, and they have such high armor in the lower areas that they never have to worry about damage control, then they get to the advanced regions and then they have to concern them selves with damage control and then they have no clue how to protect themselves. They have learned from the lower areas that their high armor means that they can agro everything and live to tell the tale. Now when they play that way, the monsters hit harder than there armor can withstand, they die and now we have to deal with what is left over. Personally for the good of the game and warriors the Snakedance pass needs to be sealed.

Of course this does not apply to the ones that want to do a good job.

This is quite true.

Look at the warrior skill trainers in relation to their location vs other skill trainers. War Master Grast is RIGHT THERE outside of ascalon. All the other professions have to trek for quite a bit to get their skills.

Well of course you dont look like a noob. You look like a farmer. The cost of your armor is not the experince of skill. Wammos or Warrior/Monks gets the most heat for being "noobs".

W/M-whammo
W/R-rambo
W/E -gale

etc. and so on.

[QUOTE=fiery]Well of course you dont look like a noob. You look like a farmer.

lol i guess ur right about that.