Why do people think Wars are noobs?!

Why do people think most wars are noobs?
The other day I was in Hells preipice going to help a guildie beat the mission when all of a sudden we see an all war group. Now we knew this was not a good idea for the mission but see other people saying commets and stuff about how stupid that would be and dumb wars can be and such. People always think most Wars are noobs.
Another time I was in Random arneas and we get this mesmer he/she sees me and says "I hate wars they are such noobs!"
Now, I know i dont look like a noob with 15k dyed black plate armor and some rare weapons but as soon as he/she saw me he/she left. Now I'm just wondering whether everyone feels like that or if its justcertain people.

I play as a warrior so no i think all but me are noobs. Yup.

I don't actualy think than you can label a whole class as noobs because some are. It would be like saying all monks are snobish or mesmers are useless

It's because Warrior is seen as the typically 'easy' tank character from other rpgs. Therefore a lot of people play a War as their first char and think its ok to rush in and aggro. It's not (most of the time) and most people learn this. But a lot of people remember the warriors (especially w/mo) that run in thinking they're invincible, eat up all the monks energy and then die. And some of them then blame the monk and/or rest of the team.

Now we of course know that most warriors are in fact ok, and there are just as many morons playing other professions. But warriors are the 'obvious' ones, they're always in front of you, whereas spellcasters are level/behind and you don't see what they're doing (unless they're hte unique ones who think they can tank with 30al ) But most of the time, the people saying warriors are noobs are hte kind of idiots that would probably do just the same as a warrior and kill themselves in 2 seconds.

Because most act in a manner that befits the label.

As far as my experience as a psychologist goes, it's only necessary to witness something once or twice (and especially if it's ur first impression with such an event, group of ppl, or a class in this case) and u'll form a narrow-minded stereotype. So if the first warrior u play with runs into groups, dies in less than 20 seconds, burns monks mana and bitches about it when he/she's a corpse, no wonder ppl have bad opinions about them. But playing with good, pulling warrior types (and doing it a LOT) can overcome this. It's not as if other classes are not played by inept ppl, it's just like Pevil Lihatuh said - the warrior is most of the time the one in ur immediate line of sight.

I'm guilty of lableing Wa/Mos as "noobs", mainly because if someone is going to herass me, it is always a wamo. Also, every bad warrior that I have ever head in a group is a Wa/mo, you know the ones that you tell to go agro a group, and they instead pull the group into the casters. Now I have had some good wamos, but the vast majority of my experience with them has been bad. Now if a warrior has a differend secondary, that will get my attention. If you watch the GWWC matches, there is almost no wamos, and they are hella good. (especially Im a Paladin, who ironically is not a paladin)

Is this unfair to lable them that way? Probably, but when you get burned soo many times, what else are you to do.

Opinions are like rectal shinctres, most people have them and they often stink, just a bit. If you look through these fine forums, you will find a thread for every profession, many lamenting the unpopularity of X-profession...As a ranger primary (for my main character) I feel your pain in having a negative opinion being thrust in your general direction. Truth is, though, that noob Warriors tend to stand out a bit....they are the groups front-man and everyone sees their mistakes first.

Noob Warriors tend to rush aggro, die and bitch a lot (especially if even two monks can't keep up with the damage they are taking and they blame the monks for their death)...By the time you get to the higher end maps, your opinion is formed and the assumption is that you have about a 50-50 chance of getting a noob warrior who will die and cut out of the group (truth is it's much less than that...but bad experiences leave the bitter taste in your brain). An arrogant warrior who is no "noob" only reinforces this opinion.

Of all the missions I've run since last February (this includes beta weekends so don't call me a liar), I have had maybe 10% of the warriors I've run with fall into the classification "aggro-monkey". Many of these had been playing at least as long as I have. While about a third of all the folks I've played with were "newbies" (I tend to look for them to help them out)...Only Two warriors stand out as hominus-sphinctus: One who ripped me off mid-mission by leaving me dead to collect my loot and one who kept calling me his "neegger" (spelling changed to avoid the deadly red engine) when I was running a monk...Now, honestly, I tend to avoid the company of groups with large numbers of warriors because "tanks" so often look down on anyone who can't take as many body-blows as they can and they tend to be egocentric.

The thing is, you will hear a lot of negative crap from people. Mostly you will hear from the rude, poorly skilled, biggotted, and poorly informed...Warriors are no different than any other class in regard to the number of noobs. But when you are the biggest target on the battlefeild, people tend to notice when you pull a total "Leroy Jenkins" move...and when inexperienced warriors die frequently, it's because they are learning their job and don't have it down yet...Other professions stand back from the fight a bit and see warriors drop quicker when the mobs overwhelm them...that's why we have res.

If you are honestly having problems with the "noob" title (I hate that word)...try another profession for a bit. An all ranger group through Thunderhead Keep, for example. If you EVER get the group formed (took me an hour and a half)...you will hear the most ignorant comments ever uttered in an outpost...When your trapping/conditions cluster with multiple healing springs makes it through to the end, the satisfaction of trying something others were afraid to admit might work, will give you the warm-fuzzies.

Perserverance...Patience...and a sense of humor will get you through it...Just think of every person who uses the word "noob" as someone with their own huge set of insecurities and a tiny cod-peice.

learn to listen and you will be loved. i say i will listen to the monks, i can EASLY get a group.

It's not helped by the fact that in most PUG's I join there is guaranteed at least 1 warrior who goes afk, has dinner, wont listen, makes no attempt to protect himself and generally acts like a moron.

I dont label them all the same out of narrow-mindedness, it's because I see it happen over and over again. Worst of all is on the weekend where it happens in 9/10 groups and it's almost ALWAYS warriors.

[QUOTE=Keyote]It's not helped by the fact that in most PUG's I join there is guaranteed at least 1 warrior who goes afk, has dinner, wont listen, makes no attempt to protect himself and generally acts like a moron.QUOTE]

That's an astonishing statistic -- that a warrior goes AFK in 'most' of the PUGs you join. I'm guessing that you are in 8 person groups and that no more than 2 members of the group are warriors each time.

You are incredibly unlucky. I'd guess that someone (any profession) goes AFK in about 10% of my PUGs if that. (To be clear, I'm not challenging your statistics, just commenting on your poor luck).

People's opinions of particular groups are greatly affected by members of that group's actions. The general reasons behind non-warriors thinking warriors are nooby is because a large amount of warriors do act in a way that could be labelled as 'nooby'. Charge in to fight, completely expecting themselves to just stay alive because they are tanks and the monks will just heal them forever. Complain when they die about not being healed enough. Scream for rez because they think they are the most powerful member of the group and can win the fight. And of course, envy for warriors has built up because they do, despite recent changes, the largest amount of farming and running. They are the ones that get out there, can do it alone, can tank, whereas the other classes may rely more on others for victory as they are slightly weaker in armour etc. I wouldn't say that a large number of people think all warriors are noobs, however. I'd just say that some people's opinions of warriors have completely moulded and won't change because of particular warriors they've been with.

But then you can say the same for all professions, monks who are big-headed cause they know they are needed and complain all the way through a mission.

Eles who Echo Nuke all the time and wont do anything else when they echo nuke and just sit back, when they could use other skills and fire attunement to regain energy per fire skill use. Then they complain when they get surrounded.

Necros who sit back out the way just so they can raise minions, which is fair enough, but when the group is taking a beating they could use Swarm to cause some group damage.


Mesmers who sit back and spam backfire and power spike, which again is fair enough, but there is other skills that can help.


Rangers and their pets, they are nice yes, but in places like FoW they are a pain, they get in the way half the time lol not to mention when they die the ranger loses his skill bar for a few seconds.

It is simple, because they themselves are noobs. They have never seen any good warrior in action.

i myself created warrior as my first character i love the warrior profession i made a warrior/elementalist i lived it i can have any second profession but W/Mo IMO is garbage only good for solo griffion in UW i use my W/E and i have had many compliments of how good a warrior i am people often refer to W/Mo as noobs because it is the mostly widley used warrior class id like 2 see a W/Mo 3 man UW like i can with my W/E solo tank

sorry a litte bragging in there but i have never been called a noob

If they've never seen a good warrior in action it says something about the number of bad ones...

I think a line needs to be drawn here between Warriors and Warrior/Monks. It seems the Wammo's are the ones who give the bad impressions..... well, most anyway.

Because a lot of the warriors that think they can't ever die no matter what are usually warrior monks. These so called players usually aggro more than the group can handle or they aggro more enemies when they shouldn't. I'm not saying all warrior monks do this obviously, but there is a good percentage that do and we all know this.

lol actually bringing your platemail armor in pvp IS a sign of a noob

hey i bet u hav no life, pfff taking to seriously..........

ps. dont call other noobs it ticks ppl off

sry but if I see a warrior/monk, it always comes up in me that they are new to the game but think they are all mighty hero's

I agree, you shouldn't be calling ppl noobs

and I sometimes bring my platemail to into PvP just because I love playing PvP with PvE characters, if you call me a noob then, well then I call you shortminded