Excessive Heal Syndrome

Does excessive healing encourage arrogance, or are a lot of the monk players out there just egotistical by nature? I can't decide, but whatever it is it can't be healthy, hence why I've started this thread in the hope someone can shed some light on this disorder.

For crying out loud. Just be happy you got a good healer even if he is arrogant. Healers have the most responsibility in the game and the highest expectations from the team. Yes, he might be 10, but your still alive aren't you? If you don't like playing with them, then don't. But I wouldn't complain about healers that heal too much when they're plenty arrogant healers that don't heal at all (except themselves). The world is fillled with all kinds, find one that fits your playstyle.

I'm not sure what you mean but... I recently started playing a Mo/Me & let me tell you Monks get no slack. All day long the spam of "rez me plz kthnx" & "heal me! heal me! heal me! heal me!" & "U suk! U let me die!" get broadcasted in our ears most of the time by ppl that are nothing but a waste of mana. If some monks get a little irritated by this & start cop-ing a attitude with some players(the abusive & stupid ones) I can totally relate. IT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO PISS OF YOUR MONK.

At John:
Getting one to party with you is hard enough. They normally say 'If I don't see 2 other monks, I'm leaving,' and they generally become the new party leader when you recruit them.

I'm not here to debate what anything's role in a team is. I think you're missing the point. I'm not talking about monks that heal too much .

Sorry I missed the point. Your right about teams etc.. But they're a rare breed as it is (good healers). Just thought you weren't being thankful. And the reason your probably seeing an increase is because many kids (yes kids) have beaten the game with their W/Mo and had hard enough time getting groups so they pick the healer KNOWING they will get a group. They seek validation of their l337 skills when they're not doing any direct damage. This in turn leads to most of the comments you see, immaturity.

Those are another breed of arseholes, but this is really a thread about the arrogant type and not the thankless. And I agree with you, both suck =/.

They can be as annoying as the want as long as they are getting the job done. Monks are in most cases a necessity and they know it. Some let it go to their heads others go with the flow. Great when you get a pleasant one, but I wouldn't complain so long as they are keeping your bacon out of the fire.

It's not the class, it's the person behind the keyboard. Any arrogant/idiotic monk is probably arrogant/idiotic whatever class she plays. This has been said a lot, but there are tons of kids playing this game, in large part due to the no monthly fee (easy gift from parent) and lack of necessity of a credit card.

Excessive healing is a problem, as a primary monk I hate when a monk wastes his energy and then you have to wait on him/her. It's just a bad way to play. I don't believe in this crap that you should the kiss the monks ass. Everyone else works their ass off to keep the monk alive. It's not like you can have a group of monks go through missions unless they focus on secondary jobs. Heal in moderation, it's a lot more efficient.

Healers are the one class in any game that get parties quickly, easily and consistently. I figure that either that breeds a certain amount of arrogance into people, or the arrogant people decide to play them because they know they'll always have a party. (Maybe a little of both?)

Other than that, I think people make too big a deal of it. Half the GW players out there have Monk secondary in order to use Healing Breeze anyway. Most parties I've been in work great with that.

What IS funny to me is that fact that this is the type of person who will also scream "blah, blah, why didn't you heal me, blah, blah", because you tried to conserve energy and they got hit with a 150 point critical.

Given a choice... and I ALWAYS make sure I give people a choice if it looks like they would rather bum rush mob after mob without taking even 3 seconds to rest.

The choice is simple... IF we rush everything, I can adjust, but this will mean less healing unless you are close to dying (and you still may die due to nasty criticals), but faster mob kills. No one has infinite energy, much less monk primaries, and once they realize the power of specific spells used with lots of skill points, they tend to listen and all goes well. The first time a group of 3 warriors got wind of the power of a spell like healing seed used with 16 skill points in healing (but still uses 15 energy) and a 9 point health regen, they get the point of fighting with or without this on. Of course the choice is theirs .

SURE... you can have monk secondaries. But in reality, NO non-primary monk can reach the healing potential I can, and what is even more key is the fact that as my primary I CHOSE to heal as a specialty, not a secondary function. MY JOB is to keep you alive. That's it. I could care less about the fact that I can't even solo something half my level due to no attacks, but I AM SURE I can tank several mobs above my level and laugh as they bearly scratch me.


Jana

By all means, heal yourself. A monk fills his bar full of heals so that you don't have to fill yours with any.....that's a pretty unselfish move that deserves your respect. Every monk that plays a primary healer can and should be as arrogant as they want. If I weren't a good Republican, I'd start a movement to unionize the healers and begin charging for our services because monk abuse is rampant. For every one monk error, there are at least 10 mistakes made by the rest of the team and all of them get blamed on the monk.

Every class has a means of healing itself -- go ahead and avoid those arrogant monks by sacrificing slots on your skill bar to heal yourself. No other class is pigeon-holed by their primary attribute, no other class has a role widely assumed by the entire community, no other class has a bigger target painted on their back, no other class takes more abuse (verbal or otherwise) than the monk.

If you want to humble or pacify a monk, try courtesy and respect. Tip your monks!!!

People scream at me to res and complain they haven't gotten heals, but when I tell them to kill XXX monster before XXX monster, to turn this way or to kill healers first (in the case of arena), I get a nice "STFU!!!". Be nice to your healers, or play one yourself.

I'm thinking this discussion was intended to do with Monks who usurp power from a team leader and bosses the group around... not Monks that humbly serve with divine favor.

While playing a Monk, I do have to say I've seen a change in the way I play. While I can sit back with a well-oiled team and "just heal", when a team is too disorganized they leave me no choice but to start tossing out commands. My favorite command? "Will *somebody* get this guy off me?" (ususally done in form of calling a target). Having too many bad groups in a row will surely engrain this behavior as well.

Today, I was trying to grab and tomb game before work. I was one of maybe three Monks. *Everybody* wanted me on their team. When I finally got on a team, I was the only healer (not even 2ndaries). Needless to say, I was rushed by the opposing team and dead faster than my team could say "heal me". So yeah... I can get really picky about who I play with and how I want that team to play.

On a side note, I discovered afterwards (after switching districts) that nearly all the Monks were in a single district. Something funny about that too... maybe it's a good suggestion for districts to by balanced by professions.

Having palyed a healer in many different games, I know that healing can be very stressful, and you will get blamed for almost everything as the healer (sadly enough).

That being said, if there's something that I would like the monk to do, I generally send a ploite whisper to them asking them to help me out with whatever it may be.

Do unto others as you would want them to do unto you.

That being said, there are some arrogant monks out there that can be hard to deal with. You can either bite your tongue, grit a smile and keep playing or choose to not deal with it. It's all a matter of choice.

Players, other then monks, are stupid, with the small exception of some. I used to be a regular joe player [a monk] untill after so many stupid pug's I've had it. Now my stance is quite simply: listen to every god damn word I say or I'll let you die, then quit. I'm tired of stupid warriors luring monsters or all attacking different ones, I'm tired of elems using AOE spells on one monster when there's a group 15 feet away, I'm tired of idiots rushing ahead right after a fight and the healers still only have 6 energy, I'm tired of people saying I suck because they died because they weren't even on my radar because they rushed ahead because they're mentally handicapped because their parents fed them paintchips at birth because they too are stupid. In random arena, I tell my team before the fight even starts "If you touch a warrior before their casters are dead, I'll quit right then" and it's true, I will. So far I've quit every match, because I always get retards on my team who like to attack a warrior while a monk stands 5 feet away healing him non-stop. You may think I'm joking or over-exadurating, but I'm not. The thing about GW is, I can quit a team whenever I want, and get invited onto a new time in seconds. Why bother with stupid people when I can keep trying out teams untill I find one with people who actually want to play as a team and not some individual hero bullshit.

Remember, the monk is incharge of the team, you can't go anywhere without them, so you better listen to them, or at least become a monk yourself. If you do the latter, it'll only be a matter of time before you're in the same boat as me and the rest. And if you think you know more then the monk, you don't, so simply shut up and listen.

edit-I'm one of those who say "If I dont see another 2 monks I'll quit" people, or "1 monk" as some missions dont require 3. I've taken part in over 5 million teams where I was the only monk. I can keep about 2 people alive for 20 seconds, then we all die. So basically I no longer join teams who have leaders too stupid to realize one monk aint gonna cut it. Organized/Guild teams can get by on one monk, but pug's? No dice.

Heh - I think the disorder is called "helping people" The challenge is , "can I keep my (3 or 5) team members alive through the whole mission?" You know you're doing well when you are getting NO
feedback - the team just assumes you are doing your job and goes about its buisness. It can be pretty hard to keep the group alive when everyone is getting beat on; I usually feel bad if I actually let anybody drop (unless they've run off, of course). I haven't run in to any arrogant Monks with my other characters; maybe 'cause I keep an eye on them and run back to help if they get engaged in melee.

I seriously disagree with most of your statements, but only because they're too generalized. What if I'm purely anti-warrior. I'd also have a serious problem of playing with you with that attitude. But that is my choice.

I can spot an anti-warrior or a mesmer easily, it's not like I'm blind. If I see a mesmer shutting down all the casters and not just the one we're focusing, thats all good. If I see an anti-warrior keeping the warriors busy, thats all good. If I see a ranger poisoning the whole team, way to go. But when I get 2 wars and an elem all attacking a warrior while a monk/caster stands 5 feet away not getting hit, I quit. You may think this is a rare scenario, but it generally sums up 95% of the matches you'll get in arenas, your whole team hitting their most defended target while the casters afk, go grab coffee, come back to cast fire rain, go mow their lawn, and oh look at that they're still alive because no one attacked them the entire match.

LOL, Kuntor, agreed. With that extra bit you put in there I completely agree with you. I wasn't debating their intelligence, just your strategy on handling it though ;-)

it's really easy to see a caster outside the battle shuttind down people outside the battle when you're outside the battle. Everyone makes mistakes, and guess what? No one is perfect. It's elitist attitudes that get parties killed. If more people would focus on geting along and working as a team, they'd stay alive alot longer.
A little respect can go a long way...

Aloren, attacking a target which is getting healed is not a mistake. People don't accidently trip, fall, and land on their spacebar while it just so happens to be selecting a warrior. They ignore my orders to kill casters first, and I just simply quit.

How much more of a team player could I be when I tell my team the exact kill order we're going to follow, call the targets for them, and keep all 4 of us alive. Maybe you haven't played GW yet, but when you do you'll realize 95% of the player base are individual hero's who think they can do everything themselves and don't need to follow orders or play smart.

If anyone assumes that they have the natural right to give me orders, I won't be playing with them again.

(I'm a Warrior/Necro. Typically, but not always, monks need me more than I need them.)

I don't think getting pissed off at the general incompetence of players out there is a monk only thing, but I think it's understandable given the patheticly dull, repetitive and mindless lack of challenge that is PvE (this is of course in my opinion). The problem is that PvE is required to PvP, and that PvE doesn't even force you to think tactically or work as a team to get anywhere (and yes, I have completed it, thanks).

Having said that, I don't think ditching people like that is going to make people learn, Kunt0r. It's only going to encourage people to blame each other insteading of taking into account their own shortcomings (not saying this is relevant to you).

At Willow:
I think by being in a team you have an obligation to follow orders, and if you aren't willing to work as a team then what makes you think that others are going to be willing to play with YOU?

I had some guy whine at me and another monk during an infusion run. He was smarter and only whined after I rezzed him. If he whined before I would have just left him. Needless to say he didn't get any heals from me the rest of the way.

But as a monk we do have the natural right to give you orders, and also the natural right to punish you for lack of following them. What are you going to do to us? You also fail to realize that there are more then two hundred thousand warriors in GW willing to take your place. Can't say the same about Monk's willing to take my place to play with you.

After just logging off my PVP Monk in the tombs, I'd have to agree with kunt0r 110%. I played about 10 matches, and 7/10 of those matches, no one would attack me. Just sat back and healed everyone while using Necro -10% Health spells the whole time to regain mana.

"Follow Orders" entails a hierachy. If I join up with someone, and I know going in that we have a designated leader or target caller that's fine.

I'm no more obligated to follow the "orders" of someone on my team than they are to follow my "orders."

And my reason for retiring my monk... too many crazies out there running in, and then complaining... i play the game to have fun, so i just decided to stop being my healer... it's more of a job, then enjoying the game.

The other day I was in a group doing a mission. My computer lags when entering a new zone, typically by 30 seconds to a minute slower than other players. Usually it's not a big deal.

However, on this one situation, half the party was dead before my controls were responsive. Why? Because they charged on ahead without me.

Now if I were to intentionally "punish" a monk by not fighting at a key moment? These things go both ways. I'm here to play this game with people who want to be my friends, not people who want to be my boss.

actually, its not a wierd strategy to attack non monks early on. the plan behind this is to have their monk blow off energy while your warriors get their adrenaline going, once its ready, load everything off on the monk, and itl probobly die.

as for the op, i tell people if they get too far, i wont heal them. if they mouth off, i wont rez them, if the entire party gets the same way, i leave. its their stupidity that's wasting time, i cant stand stupid players - i dont have that kind of time.

you sound like quite the ass hole right there. is that your name in game? if so i'll make sure I never team up with you.

I would pick Alesia any day of the week over kunt0r (and several others who have posted in this thread.)

agreed.

i can tell most of the other posters here havent played a monk yet and epxeirenced the woes of being one. if you dont lay down the rules early on, you dont get very far, letting people push you around wont help you nor them. grow some balls and tellem it's your way or you get a henchmen. some people dont mind henchmen, some do, those that do, learn to listen.

i don't know, i'm in agreement with kuntor about our rights. if i'm in a pug, there are ground rules i'll try to get out to the others, in both PvE and PvP. one of the best pvp pug teams i was on, the other main healer would often show on our map our effective range. the others knew that if they strayed from there, we weren't going after them. i've also done the "i'm leaving if we don't have another monk" thing as well.

also, anyone who doesn't think that a good healer has the "right" to have people listen to them should go have fun with pugs in Elona Reach. it's pretty sad when i party with a group that won't listen and fail, when i can do that mission with henchmen and succeed.

I have a monk/mesmer secondary character. And when I'm playing her, I don't boss people around. So don't think I'm a hypocrite.

well, i dont boss people around either, but i tell them... if they ignore my warnings and continue to run into mobs and make everyone fallow and complain why they didnt get a heal. who's fault is it?

Jana

But hitting their most armoured target (warrior) isn't how good players carry out that strategy. You hit 60 AL targets so you do more damage so they have to heal more often or use multiple healing effects like breeze/seed/hands/mop ect. You however, don't hit 100AL targets unless you're new to the game or just plain stupid.

My ign is K U N T O R, please go out of your way to make sure you're never on the same team as I. It's not like there are hundreds of thousands of players who will take your place on my teams or anything crazy like that!!!

Good.

Neither do I. I tell them once, and if they don't listen, I quit. Telling someone once, nicely I might add, what must happen for success, isn't being bossy. I'm not an asshole, I'm just a regular player who doesn't wish to waste my time failing a mission.