[Merged] March 13 Update: Roll back to 1 PM Pacific, 21 GMT, officially announced

The reason the exploit was so 'terrible' was because it has been said that it would ruin the Guild Wars economy (PvE side, I imagine). However, if the PvE side was based on skill and not on time spent gaining money/items (unlike other online games), then the economy would not be affected at all. If the items were not the goal of so many players, and item swere cheap, then everyone could concentrate on skills (both in-game and out) instead of getting items. If those high-end items are not needed in order to play the game (which I don't believe they are), then who cares if everyone gets them. As with farm nerfs, the ones using the exploit (whether they realized it or not) are the ones that are least affected by the rollback. They have lost absolutely nothing. They get their money back.

I was offline so I lose nothing (not even time). The ones that lose out are the ones that are playing the game the way it should be (according to other posters). When farm areas are nerfed, the farmers do not lose out (they already have made a fortune off those areas and move on, such as the first UW solo farmers). It only hurts those guys and gals that played through the game, and then decide to farm to pass time. They see these ways that the early farmers earned their fissure armour (if you call it earned) and try it themselves. Shame on them for playing the game first and being late.

What about those that use exploits? Well lets look back at the double mod exploit. The ones that exploited it lost nothing, they kept their cash. The ones that lost out were the ones with a large armount of cash to spend on the axes. The exploiters are still rich. The lost stronboxes? Well, the people that found out about them early are rich. Everyone that played the game and then found out about them? Well, they are gone.

Who really loses out? Well, that guy that got the perfect 15^50 fellblade lost out. The guy that finally finished Thunderhead Keep lost out. The guy that finally capped that skill in Snake Dance lost out. Again, the guys that played the game lost out. The guys that used the exploit (again, knowingly or otherwise)? They lost nothing. In fact the rollback is causing great effort on behalf of the developers to make sure they get back what they lost. The people who got the 'unbalanced' HoD swords/axes & 20/20 rockmoulders - they didn't knowingly exploit the game. Again, they lost nothing.

If you want a stable economy where things like this can't screw it up, then the game should be operated according to its founding claims. It's not about the items or the grind (which if an economy can be shattered like this, then it is obviously about the money and items), and make it about the skills. I don't care either way, but I see people crying about it on either side. Either leave the economy alone and quit 'fixing' shit, allowing it to be a free market, or else cap everything sold at the traders so the prices are relatively low, thereby not allowing the possibility for a 'ruined' economy. What we've got now only encourages exploiters and extreme farmers. There is, after all absolutely nothing to lose by doing it. If there were mass bannings then that would be a different story (banning the axe exploiters, etc). Anyways, I hope this gets fixed one way or the other prior to Factions.

I will be going out killing shit in my nice shiny Collector's Armour with my 3 Collector's Shields (+45stance,+60hex,+5runic), and collector's weapons. Have a nice day...

"I think it is ridiculous that someone has to pay 60k for a Superior Runes. Wasn't this game designed to avoid 'grinding'?"

Why are so many people concerned with parity in this game? Parity helps create passion, both positive and negative.

i REALLY hope that anet gives us sumthing for our time like

"we messed up u cant play deal with it"

I blame LULU..

Vulch see my comment on page 23. Have a great day.

SWG? what about shadowbane? lol

if its so hard why dont leave it as it is...

i mean - some ppl got uber-cheap sup vigors and such but more ppl made fortunes during previous market crash and it was ok... now we cant play for the whole day and as i understand it ppl will have to repeate all missions/quests they did and if they were farming/selling stuff they have to do it again - providing they'll have their inv back in the right order...

Man im waiting for it to come back up.. that wasnt funny.. I missed getting a GH for cheap... any ways Its 9:06 Pacific time and still waiting..

Read threads please, so you have an idea of what's going on.

Im bored does anyone who play GW have xfire??? my sn is kill31337 if your bored like me.

If you take away the reason to grind and get the good loot, then you take away the reason to PvE after beating the game. You lose out on customers.

Let's face it, the PvE to PvP ratio is like 100 to 1...

If you think ANet is going to sit idle when there is a major problem in PvE you're out of your mind.

lmfao i bought....like so many sup vigors,absorsb and about 250 shards =)hope it stays....sell them back to merchant and pretend it never happened

anyone else feels the tension floating through the air??... some of my guildies are freakin out on TS... LOL

Awwww.... damn.... just woke up really early... (its 5:10 am here) and i have to wait another 2 hours? .... Guess ill go play ET!

And btw... I LOVE PVE.... and im beginning to get into PVP.... the advantage of PVE is... that we can run around and be useful to other players who are starting out whereas a PVP can really only stay in the arena and whoop them.

PVE is alll about the environment and the people. (imo)
PVP is all about making the people you helped suffer as you thrash their sissy asses into the ground (imo) lol

Ain't That sad... About a game that's about skill and not grind..

omg, that was amazingly awesome, even if I don't know what the heck he was saying/screaming!

We got an explanation, server error, unintentional trader reset. That's good enough for me.

Now if I was paying them 15 bucks a month after spending 50bucks on the original purchase and something like this happened, yeah, I'd be upset. Heck, if I was paying 15 bucks a month, I'd be upset at ANY trouble I had logging on. Perhaps that's why I don't pay for the WoW experience. You wanna look at server problems? take a look at them.

I have it just isnt funny to be waiting, on them, to restart the game.
But i seriously think they should at least let ppl play. as in a back up or a place where players can chill (with no vendors).

ok am i off about timezone or are they late?

Yeah.. Try to keep ppl under control in your guild who are crazy about gvgin'..

Hehehe.. It's all good.. It's better they take the time.. They just might nerf iway(don't get your hopes up)

well, this is bull. it's now 11pm cst and i can't logon. Nerfnet is continiously nerfing farming spots, "balancing" skills & introducing lots of new bugs while they do so. they do everything they can to piss of ppl who don't have anything to do other then farm (like me, i've beaten the game several times...what else but farming is there to do?). I for one will respond to this with not buying factions and i suggest the same to everybody who has enough with nerfnets actions. gg anet!

Meanwhile, my Mesmer is stuck in Droknar's forge in that skimpy outfit. Poor thing is probably freezing to death.

With only a few exceptions (sup. absorbtiona and vigor come to mind, weapon mods too) you don't need to grind to get max equipment. There are plenty of collectors with ugly-ass max weapons, 15% enchant, stance, and ^50.

When you finally get to droks you should have the 10K or so to max out your character with goodies.


On a side note, HA PvP isn't much about skill either, (I'm sure HoH is) it's about having an emote that will get you into a half-ass group.

u pinpointed it. that's exactly why some people believe the rollback isn't needed. the economy only gets messed up for the grinders.. everyone else can now afford that sup absorb and just get collectors weapons and armour(like me).

P.S., I don't think as many people are upset by losing a few hours as they are about losing a few hours for no reason at all (assuming those people believe in playing and using skill as opposed to grinding and such). Remember, nobody needs that uber weapon when you can get a collector one.

They gave the explanation to you. Trader reset = rerolling. And they're working on it. You'd prefer that they waste time posting on every fansite about "we're working on it" instead of actually working on it? Oh, not to mention the angry userbase that would scream, "ZOMG Y U NO WORK HARDER I WANNA PLAY WAHHH"

Try managing an active website (or forum) with hundreds of users and posts per day. Try having the database that stores all that information become corrupted to a point where you'd have to restore everything from a prior db dump. Have fun rebuilding the db from the old dumpfile and having to later verify that everything is 100% intact before you even start to think about bringing everything back online. Oh, yes, did I mention that your rabid users are hammering away at your servers trying to get back in while your boss is breathing down your neck and spouting off comments like "get the server back up, this isn't very good for our image, can you please work faster?" All this when it's late at night and all you want to do is go out for a night on the town or collapse out of exhaustion at home.

Multiply that example by a magnitude of 100.

Emotes are meaningless today.. Anyone now can get a tiger.. Ya don't need skill for it anymore.. But that's another isue.. GVG it's where the last hope for salvation lies.. And yes.. I got Fissure Armor and almost enough money for second set.. 95% of it came from sigils (and the crystaline drop in HOH some months back, hehe)

Amazing how crazy people get about a game. You're out of the game for like a day. WoW servers are down like all the time. You paid $50 for a game whereas games that crash a lot have a $50 cost plus a $15 fee a month. If you want to bitch about it, buy one of those games and you have a reason (you're paying a monthy fee). But one day and all of a sudden people are really upset. Go out for once and realize the computer screen is not your life.

And now, a lot of people are threatening not to buy Factions. Amazing, you're one person. Did you ever think that people make mistakes too? One slip and you're so upset. Reading this thread almost makes you not want to play GW after realizing what kind of people you are actually playing with online. The immaturity shown by some posters is mind-boggling. After all, it's just a game.

And I'm sure complaining's going to make it oh-so-much better.
Go play a different game, then. Find an MMORPG that doesn't have these problems. Guild Wars is pretty well-off in terms of this sort of thing. Have they ever rolled their servers back before? Any major downtime in the past?
I apologize. As a programmer that takes this sort of thing from his semi-dev team (only one that knows any sort of scripting. >_< ), I'm a little biased.

BUT...

...neh, my last words on this topic until someone piques my interest- It's a game. A very fun and inexpensive game. Get over it.

haha this is like the Great Depression of GW

Honestly I don't mind people getting sup abs/vigors for cheap, that doesnt bother me at all. But to hand out FoW armor to a bunch of "exploiters" is just wrong.

I only wish there was a weapon mod trader, it's hard finding those perfect mods

Nice.. I saved the world from the Lich/Titans and got a nice boatride back to Droknar's Forge.. :-)

Well said Koneko. I think the current news update they have made including the comments gaile made in this "fan forum" was suffice.


Anything else is venting.

estimated time pushed back to 11:00 pm PST

i live on east coast, i guess i should just do homework now haha

oh dear lord... too bad the germans dont have euthanasia anymore... i think this kid would have been a candidate

ich brauch keine hilfe.... ich brauch keine hilfe.... mwuahahahahahahahha.... SCHEISSE!!!! mein computer scheisst auf mich... this kid is hilarious

I love when people own themselves.

You are one person too, no one cares if you quit.

And holy shit dude, you have a job, and a couple friends, this makes you above everyone who enjoys the game.

Like I said in the above post.

Uninstall

Exit GW

Enjoy your rocketship

Lol, they did push it back a few hours. I wonder if there were even more problems or they're taking time to instill a major update.

They're bitching because in the end they love this game so damned much.

I think that's a good thing

Explanation? Sure. The server in Europe had a problem. Players were getting disconnects. We made a transfer to move things to a functional server. The file with prices didn't make that move, due to some sort of error the details of which I do not have at present. When that database/file was missing, the prices reset, people bought, economy was in trouble. That's it in a nutshell.

We will be more careful. We will make it so roll-backs don't take this long if we ever have to do one, which we hope will never be necessary.

But we had to make this roll-back, because we saw the math and we could predict the impact on the economy. We're really sorry, but we're also resolute in our goal of protecting the game economy for the greater good and for the benefit of all players. If that takes away "ill gotten gains," well I am sure everyone will live. I do regret that someone's special find or certain accomplishments may also be affected, but in the end, it was and is the right move to make.

awwwwwwwww!!
I just try to login GW and it said, "....estimated down time until 11:00pm PST"
Damn it!!!

If anything else is missing from my accounts they'll all be up for sale. Including the preorders.

Protect the econmy? The economy has been in a shambles for months. Greens screwd it up. Nerfs screwed it up. No one was punished for taking advantage of the last reset. What a load of shit.